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>>16785907Starship V3 will be using Raptor 3 engines, right?
>>16785911“Next year, we step up to another version of both ship and booster, called V3 (Version 3),” Gerstenmaier said in response to a question from Ars. “It also has a new Raptor engine underneath, with more performance than the previous ones. So we’ll fly V3 (suborbital) first, and then if that’s successful, then we’ll probably go orbital after that with the next V3.”https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2025/09/flight-11-booster-15-ship-38/
"We Starship v3 in this House!"
>>16785928How the FUCK is Super Heavy so heavy? A steel tube that size is only like a few tens of tons, and Raptors would be a similar magnitude.
>>16785929its not just a steel tube nigga
Xuntian slips again https://x.com/aj_fi/status/1967509283794481363
It's gonna be a tight flight schedule to get those 25 in before the end of this year! golee!
You think you hate the JPL MSR enough, but you really don't. Turns out you can do direct return from the surface with rockets from the parts catalog. To get those there, Casey Specs out delivery by Mars ship v1, but should be able to stuff one into a generic HLV and a Preservation class aeroshell:https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2025/09/13/how-to-get-samples-back-from-mars/Real Engineering still required, but cutting most of the JPLard brings the costs down and timeline forward to reasonable. So, NASA will adamantly refuse.
Nuff Said
>>16785306I can't believe that the company that has the lowest costs to orbit is also the company that launches the most to orbit!
>As the Solar System orbits the Milky Way, it encounters various Galactic environments, including dense regions of the interstellar medium (ISM). These encounters can compress the heliosphere, exposing parts of the Solar System to the ISM, while also increasing the influx of interstellar dust into the Solar System and Earth’s atmosphere. The discovery of new Galactic structures, such as the Radcliffe wave, raises the question of whether the Sun has encountered any of them.>We find that the Solar System’s trajectory intersected the Radcliffe wave in the Orion region. We have constrained the timing of this event to between 18.2 and 11.5 Myr ago, with the closest approach occurring between 14.8 and 12.4 Myr ago. Notably, this period coincides with the Middle Miocene climate transition on Earth,Literally everything in this Galaxy is trying to kill us. Now it's the Radcliffe Wave.
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>>16785946NOOOOOOOOO BUT MUH JOBS IN EVERY STATE!!!!!
>>16785948are you mounting the return rocket on the rover? that seems worse than having a lander.
>>16785948
>>16785963In the JPL architecture:>NASA's Sample Retrieval Lander would touch down on Mars and remain in place to receive a diverse collection of scientifically curated samples of Martian rock already collected and cached by NASA's Perseverance rover.>The lander would be the first ever to bring along a rocket — NASA's Mars Ascent Vehicle — and two helicopters, to help achieve the goal of bringing the samples safely to Earth for study. The Mars Ascent Vehicle would launch off the Red Planet, carrying samples into Mars orbit to meet the Earth Return Orbiter provided by the European Space Agency (ESA). >In addition, the lander would carry ESA's Sample Transfer Arm to load the sample tubes into the Mars Ascent Vehicle.Lot of areas to optimize. Platform has to land, support and erect the MAV, but how about lose the helicopters, arm and such.Note, Casey's arch simplifies more by using Mars Ship as a UPS van to get MAV on the surface.
>>16785929>a few tens of tons62 tons
>>16785929Why not make it out of paper?
>>16785981Because a frozen lox/ch4 outer casing design (aka popsicle/pop rocket) is even more efficient.
Why are they called blocks when they are round?
>>16785986https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnsHliwiQ1g
>>16785999
>>16786001https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOFot70yTCw
>>16785907BREAKING NEWS! Fraser is live!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3czC0mKvNA
>>16786013IM COOMING
>>16786002I have personally fucked 3 hookers who have that tattoo. Conclusions to draw from this?
>>16786029Women are whores
>>16786029>Conclusions to draw from this?Those 3 hookers could have been rocket engineers
https://youtu.be/MesBsJ_MfLs>toDAY I will explore Northrup GrUMman Concept for a LunAR rail NETwork
>>16786047how about they work on a habitat or something first
reminder that this is currently America's only functional moon lander.
>>16786054They build roads first and houses after that on Earth as well
>>16786055It’s not even functional anymore we have nothing to our name
Who the fuck was it that producing methane on the moon using human waste CO2 was a dumb idea?There is a lunar base proposal that uses a Sabatier based CO2 scrubber to produce methane as a byproduct. It's only 530kg yearly but it's 100% passive fuel production. There is nothing stopping you from scaling this up with biodigester and Sabatier bioreactors for much larger settlements.
>>16786067not that one specifically but it's a proven architecture and none of the others are.
>>16786070It would take a village (literally) to produce enough poo poo gas to fuel up a starship in any meaningful amount
>>16786070its going to be irrelevant however big the settlement is because the bigger the settlement, the more traffic there needs to be using any time or effort for this is a waste of engineering resources
>>16786070please just be quiet.
>>16786072starship isn't going to be the only lander going to and from the moon
Shadowed crater aside, what would be the best candidate for a propellant that can be made with materials on the Moon only?
>>16786075makes more sense to use a hydrolox system for a dedicated moon hopper and as it happens, blue origin is working on a hydrolox moon landerthey can continue to create moon vehicles, SpaceX will focus on mars
>>16786076rp-1
>>16786076aluminum/lox hybrid
>>16786076maybe you could make some kind of hybrid with aluminium + oxygenlike powdered aluminium so its reusable
>>16786076Hydrogen peroxide
>>16786084without shadowed crater volatiles
>>16786070>Only 530kg yearly>One Starship requires 400 tons of super chilled methane for a launchIt would be so much better if you stopped posting.
>>16786088make a smaller starship then. no reason for it to be so large for lunar missions
hows that blue moon lander bullshit coming along
Qingzhou undergong integration tests.idk if it's a ground test article or the free flying (no docking yet!) prototype that will fly later this year.
>>16786076Hydrolox still. There's frozen water in lots of places underground
>>16786101that came to you in a dream?
>>16786115there is literally water ice in the lunar regolith. not even the shadowed regions. it's just sort of there
>>16786121the lunar regolith is dryer than the sahara by a lot.
>>16786122Just dig a well up there, ezpz
>>16786093I don't know about the Blue Moon lander but New Glenn launch 2 will be in 2 weeks.
>>16786144you said that two weeks ago, Jezos...
>>16786056whole exchange was pathetic ego exchange cause that guy wasnt even part of NASA at that time just the National Space Council which just gathers around to talk once a year lmao
>>16786144>New Glenn launch 2 will be in 2 weeks.nope, Starship Flight 11 will be
>>16786092Yes there is. Start moving enough there frequently enough and then maybe it becomes more efficient to build something solely for going to the surface and back to orbit.
>>16786122antarctica is also a desert
>>16786092Which will be the topic of an upcoming Very Gay Astronaut video. Not a good idea given the rationale for SpaceX to bid on Lander in the first place, and causes its own set of problems.Moral: Don't be a Tim Dodd.
>>16786210this, Todd also proposed cold gas thrusters for Ship and that turned out to be a major mistake
>>16786210I don't even understand. Is this supposed to be on top of some other stage?How else would it got from NRHO to moon landing back to NRHO
>>16786200Ares 1 was so retarded. WTF were they smoking?
>>16786214>Todd also proposed cold gas thrusters for Ship and that turned out to be a major mistakeRetard
Then Dodd goes on, finding more problems along the way. He needed another blue book.
>>16786220yeah from what I recall its what led to Starship being so unwieldy in space and ice clogging valves which hot gas would have had no problems with, probably that single decision doomed Ship a few times from being able to regain attitude controlcolossal retard
>>16786210There is a willful ignorance of how big Starship HLS needs to (not) be when it isn't intended to bring dozens of tons of payload to the Lunar surface.And no, making the tanks xyz rings shorter does not cause problems.
>>16786226They're still doing ullage gas thrusters for V3. It is the right decision faggot cuck
>>16786227>And no, making the tanks xyz rings shorter does not cause problems"Just..."The favorite word of those that have never been involved in actual engineering and manufacturing and their constraints and tradeoffs.
>>16786229wrong decision, will make orbital refueling between 2 Starships much harder than it needs to be
>The only drawbacks...>Drawbacks are longer than your proposalNot a good sign.
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>>16786236Topkek
>>16786236>TLI with docked vehicleswhy would this be necessary? i guess i don't understand the proposal
>>16786240For me it’s Snoopy and Charlie Brown
>>16786247For me it's the Interesting Hills and Valleys
Why are we going back to the moon?There's NOTHING there.It is NOT a good "way point" for a mars mission.It is a waste of time, fuel, and money.You know why we are going back there?Because only White men have set foot there.And that makes some people seethe with rage.Get over it and move on. The stars beckon.
>Jarden handed off to Duffy his entire NASA planinteresting
>>16786256Jared lol*
>>16786258there is hope yet
>>16786236>"The juice is worth the squeeze!"Sometimes you just want to kick that guy. Really hard.
>>16786264pickle rick bouncy castle looooool
>Jadren was gonna bring in SpaceX, Blue Origin, Relativity, and even Wall Street ppl damn, was gonna get rid of all the bloat
>>16786279His name is Jared, goddamn it!
>>16786254>There's NOTHING there.lunar resources are cheaper to ship to leo than from earth. You can make a space elevator or mass driver to make it even cheaper. The moon will enable in space manufacturing like nothing else.
>>16786285JarJar thinks Helicum 3 is the key to uncocking the high ground of space
>>16786288>You can make a space elevator or mass driver to make it even cheaper.No, you can't.>Space manufacturing not in space.What if we did the space manufacturing IN SPACE.Just build a space station.Seriously, the moon is useless.
>>16786295>Just build a space station.using what materials retard?>No, you can't.yes you can?
Amogus
>>16786217Sometimes I forgot how big it actually was
>>16786231Go ahead and share with us your expertise, what issues are caused by shortening the tanks.
>>16786279>>16786256link us the article
>>16786307https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OsxqifuTi4&
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G06Ehx8bYAAEgnB?format=jpg&name=large
>>16786320Chinky fishing boats deploying as we speak
Imagine the power right now if Elon hadn't done a retarded meltdown on TRUMP for (almost) no reason
>>16786076HydroloxOxygen from the regolith Hydrogen also from the regolith, since those Chinese researchers showed that it's loaded with solar wind hydrogen
>>16786245The whole idea is hinged on making the HLS shorter as a necessity, which means less fuel capacity which means it can't perform the TLI on its own so it needs to be docked to an orbital fuel tank, which you would need to expend a booster to get it into orbit plus you'd still have to refill said fuel tank from regular sized tanker ships in orbit.The entire idea is fucking braindead. It's trying to shunt Apollo style mission profiles into a modern programme because 'orbital refuelling scary'.
>>16786348All for some stupid bill that gave ICE like $50 Billion which overrode everything cutting NASA did in terms of cutting federal spending lol
>>16786046
>>16786365getting rid of illegals will save more than 50 billion so it will pay for itself eventually
>>16786372Right.
>vivian covered herself in beetles for a photoshootwhat did she mean by this?
>>16786375Represents martian life
>>16786375>she
>>16786360>which you would need to expend a booster to get it into orbitHow come
>>16786372Yeah those illegals at the Hyundai plant will surely think twice before coming to the US again
>>16786375fake prop beetles, still weird though, still not spaceflight though either
>>16786381>beetles>not spaceflighthow new?
>>16786379because in EDA design the fuel depot upper stage only has 2 Rvacs, so not enough thrust on the 2nd stage to get to orbit means you have to use the booster for longer taking it out of the recovery/catch window.Again, super braindead.
>>16786384new enough to know that was literally one beetle autist and noone really even cared in the normie/envirotroll community they just kept focusing on muh plover and muh bobcat or whatever that cat was, because let's just face it, beetles are ugleh
>>16786385Yes that does seem dumb even for Tim
>>16786375its just an example of histrionic attention seeking in a long list of histrionic attention seeking
total beetle deathbtw SpaceX and FAA won a lawsuit about flight 1 enviromental assessment apparently
>Astranis is partnering with Impulse Space for our 2027 launch: SpaceX Falcon 9 to LEO, Impulse Helios direct-inject to GEO.
>>16786375If I bred with her anus every night do you think I would get in Musk's good books?
>>16786375That face passes (with makeup at least) but there's no escaping the Musk Family Ribcage
Uh... Muskrats??? Your stupid cult leader is like, destroying the Ozone????? ??? ?
>>16786375Wheres the attention on the other muskettes, is he even grooming them to be martian lords or is he just pumping and dumping
>>16786224but spacex doesn't want to make one off, one way vehiclesthey want to make standardized reusable vehicles...
In other news, Brazil labeled cocaine with the SpaceX logo, while using a plane from Zambia that was piloted by an Australian.https://aeroin.net/piloto-australiano-morre-apos-aviao-registrado-na-zambia-cair-em-alagoas-com-drogas-rotuladas-da-spacex/
>>16786421This guy has seemed so dead inside for several years now, ever since the babby died. It's like he exists in some kind of Youtube purgatory, his soul has left the body a long time ago but his empty husk just keeps cranking out videos
>>16786446Grim
One of the research experiments flying on the NG-23 mission will examine how to better insulate cryogenic propellant tanks in space. The project's goal is to demonstrate a new way of minimizing boil-off of super-cold rocket propellant and controlling fuel tank pressure in microgravity. Another research payload will test the deployment of an inflatable "capture bag" system developed by TransAstra, an aerospace startup seeking a more affordable way to clean up space junkWhat happens if we were to just... fix boil-off?
>>16786217ammonium perchlorate
>>16786453imagine having to design an experiment around having 1 minute of miniscule atmosphere / pseudospace
any update on the schizodrive?
>>16786461it's in space
>>16786461>>16785321
>>16786463wait why did i say specific impulse I meant activation or whatever
>>16786029how can you tell it's not the same hooker?
>>16786375the fact that you saved this means you're a fag
>>16786480Two of them were white so maybe only one of them was jessie. One of the shot some pretty nasty stuff for a company called facialabuse under the name Jolee. You can verify that the prophecy of the star tat is true if you wish.
>>16786461
>>16786446he had a baby?he always seeemd fake asf, even back in his space engine days. But i respect the graft. He has got a strong work ethic.
>>16786463so two more weeks until the orbit decays and they can say "oopsie we have to try again"?
where can I get nice space themed pop socker things for your phone? I looked on amazon and everything is fucking AI art.
>>16786493lol exactly what I expect will happen, if he hasn't already tested it to full power by now (because why wait that increases chance of something going wrong)so my expectation>will announce they've done basic calibration of the thrusters electronics (so more than last time) but oh woops the sat has now drifted far too low for the thrust to counter the drag and we'll have to try next time inconclusive but working equipment next rideshare pls
Will the crunchwrap lead us to the promised land?
>>16786514no lol it’s just more dead weight for the ship
>>16786487personally I stan plasma cosmology
>>16786487Elon obsessed with 420/69 and this autist obsessed with 2x10^-10ms*2 or whatever
>>16786489>he had a baby?Briefly.
>>16786375she cutewould plap
>>16786375>shewill never be allowed on mars
>>16786487>Q predicted thisPlan status?
>>16786487I find it so hard to believe that einstein was simply wrong
>>16786587Einstein wasn't wrong. quantum mechanics is wrongEinstein was also a steady state chad BTW
>>16786067>>16786055Still better than nothing.
>>16786446Whenever some unusual result is published, he's there to pull some prosaic explanation out of his ass, no matter how implausible He has it down to a science
>>16786589Einstein also believed that spacetime must be a kind of aether, only more subtle than the crude old "rigid solid"model, and he was right
Ya'll seen this angle of the booster catch? We need zoomed out kino along with the closeup shot.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jo0JIC3OIDY
ETA for next spaceship flight?
>>16786623Early to mid October
>>167866083i atlas is a comet chudAliens fly around in giant breath mints not imitation space rocks. Everyone knows this.
“Metal satellites might be banned in the future,” Doi said. “If we can prove our first wooden satellite works, we want to pitch it to Elon Musk’s SpaceX.” It will save us from the toxic satellite particles making their way down to our food and water.
>>16786643the metal isn't the toxic partthe batteries/solar and other eletronic shit are the toxic partsgood luck replacing those
>>16786643wooden satellites have been brought up multiple times over the years but im still not seeing anyone taking them seriously
yeah but a wooden Starship would be cool as fuckJust steal a giant Sequoia and strap a few Raptor Engines for shits and giggles
>>16786645Correct.>https://www.esa.int/Space_Safety/Space_Debris/Reentry_of_International_Space_Station_ISS_batteries_into_Earth_s_atmosphereDespite its low risk, it was really followed due to the danger of actually making it back to a sensible place and causing damage.
>>16786647Didn't early nuclear ICBMs use cork?
>>16786651All the early rockets did because synthetic insulation was not really a thing
>>16786487What is QI and what does that number mean?
>>16786667The fundamental idea is that at extremely low acceleration regimes, inertia quantizes and that quantization manifests in discrete behaviors that are meant to replicate the same effects as dark matter halos while allowing Magical Bullshit through the direct manipulation of inertia.
I just remembered how there was several anons who were working on homemade rocket motors, where are they now? dead? that shit is insanely dangerous but the webms were nice and impressive.>>16786485> facialabuseThe guy's legs piss me off, they are so skinny that is distracting and I hate how the cameraman points to his asshole. Everything else is fine but man, do some squats once in a while.>>16786506Aliexpress maybe? if you like it so much its worth it to design it yourself and order a custom one>>16786618Every time i see it I just think how crazy it is to basically build a flying building. I have to go to Gape Canaveral to see it irl.>>16786643I dig the idea of wooden sats but the space is so unforgiving to materials that if you want to make shit that lasts you have to at least use aluminum or steel.
Space Warfare bros, were eating good!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzFKChdWLPU
>>16786727>where are they now? dead?gave up probably shits expensive and useless and also redtape out the ass
>>16786731call me when its as cool as the lunar warhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z2j18FfMkY
>>16786753I don't know your number.
>>16786769It's "555-555-5555"
>>16785907/sfg/ prove it that you are not closed minded by making arguments against space colonisation.
>>16786803I would but I'd get banned again
>>16786805kek
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/09/15/spacex-dragon-musk-nasa-space-station/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzU3OTA4ODAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzU5MjkxMTk5LCJpYXQiOjE3NTc5MDg4MDAsImp0aSI6IjMzNzBjMWJjLTljMjYtNDY2ZC04Mzc5LWEzMmFlMDI0ZjBlNiIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS90ZWNobm9sb2d5LzIwMjUvMDkvMTUvc3BhY2V4LWRyYWdvbi1tdXNrLW5hc2Etc3BhY2Utc3RhdGlvbi8ifQ.FrZtmN24Y7gQAc7fmztDxpBcLvyNXsb6MzR53iVQD2M
>>16786813https://archive.is/Df9vG
>>16786814
How do we punish the dragonfly team for being 5x over budget?
>>16786827Increasing the budget so the can use that money to improve their efficiency.
>>16786827force them to watch thunderfoot videos 5h every morning
>>16786827Release 5 jars of dragonflies in their houses
>>16786817There has got to be more to this. Why would people famous for mass autism and redundancy on top of reundancy also design a docking mechanism that's overly complex and can easily fail?
>>16786855this part?>It was clear, upon first inspection, that NASA’s docking system was robust, as it had to be since it was designed to be used on an array of spacecraft.
>>16786873>If the software or electronics controlling the arms failed, the whole docking could go awry>>16786817
>>16786855design by committeethe mass autism of payloads is more of a requirement due to expensive and weak launchers than actually something they want to do
reminder that this is what they took from youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bct3MwkxE0Y
>>16786873>>16786817>>16786814>>16786813i am i remembering wrong or did starliner actually have problems with the docking ring too?
>>16786885this shit is gay and not even realistic. modern day jets engage from beyond visual range with single missiles, there is no gun spam and no dramatic visuals. That's with air resistance and planetary curvature fundamentally limiting engagement range. Space war would look quite unglamarous and hard to represent. Certainly not like this shit. It would be an abstract kind of thing that only autists who appreciate orbital mechanics and logistics can understand.
>>16786446https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6cXc_m6XAwHe was so much more lively when he was making videos playing around with Universe Sandbox and Space Engine while explaining stuff
>>16785907He doesn't have a Wikipedia article but a planet named after him.
>>16786915random ass nobodies will have wikipedia pages but not someone like that
China is planning a mission to retrieve the mars samples for “the good of humanity"
>>16786933What is more important? USA being on the Moon again before the ChineseUSA finding life outside earth before China?
>>16786817Docky McDockface my beloved!
>>16786915>>16786916Last week Elon said Grok will replace Wikipedia with the truth and make it available to allHe also went on to name the people who are spewing all the lies
>>16786946>Non-explosive contingency releaseNon-explosive? Boooo!
>>16786813Someone better upload the book quickly.
>>16786950>a wikipedia replacement that's even more zoggedtouched the wall award
>>16786933good.
>spend decades correcting sampre>the Chinese stear themAmerica is dead
>>16786983it will be symbolic
>>16786983it'd be so funny
>>16786983if america gives up on MSR then i don't see why another country can't salvage them
>>16786950i doubt they will release everything because that is valuable training datamaybe they will release some examples, but thats it
>>16786983Picture Perseverance wildly running away while a tiny Chinese rover runs after it, trying to steal their samples.
>>16786950No AI model can do a task as simple as summarising a history wikipedia article into bullet points without fucking up the dates and events. So i doubt.
>>16786992The dropped samples cache were all duplicates, so the US can't even argue they "lost" anything.Finders keepers.
>>16786996>>16786983kek, it's a lose lose. Either China takes the samples back and gets big prestiege, or (more likely) MAGAstani politicians refuse to hand the samples over and look like petulent children. If the samples get handed over they will probably try to frame the NASA scientists as traitors too, and maybe even go for treason charges.
>>16786997https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_programis there something wrong here?
>>16787001
>>16786997this anon hasn't used newer ai models and it shows
>>16786996Better yet, Perseverance turning its mastcam sadly to watch the chinese heist-bot roll away with the samples.
>>16787005>>16787001>posts the most posci shit everYou wouldn't understand,ok.>>16787006Such as?
>>16787011well what wikipedia article do you have in mind?
>>16787011such as gpt5 thinking or gemini 2.5 prothey crush shit like that
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1967939003455586771
>>16786645>the batteries/solar and other eletronic shit are the toxic partsPotato batteries and photosynthesizing leaves, duh.
>>16787014they don't though.
>>16787051what article did you try 3 years ago that didn't work, or whenever you tried these last?
LEO launches are an unfathomable waste of Earth resources. Launching hundreds of satellites each year to replenish constellations that de-orbit every 5-10 is completely absurd, madness even. Why are there no global protests against internet/television satellites? We don't need this.
>>16786753Not kino enough https://youtu.be/bct3MwkxE0Y
>>16787065>Why are there no global protests against internet/television satellites?There ain't that many highly lucrative areas of human activity that do not amount to unfathomable waste of Earth resources. So basically we're used to doing that by now.
>>16786895So basically modern ship warfare, or a batte between snipers, could be fun but would be more like football manager than the space combat games we know.
>>16786950> He also went on to name the people who are spewing all the liesthere is a browser extension that already does that
>>16787075too late >>16786885
Is the moon underated? nobody seems to care about making a base there for some reason, once you have a really small colony with fuel and ship production there (I know is not easy) you can basically use it as THE launch site for everything. I know Mars is the goal but the moon seems like a good middle point. Also there has to be a ton of useful untouched minerals we can mine without having to go that deep, just a couple of explosives should be enough to start.
>>16787093>So basically modern ship warfareYeah exactly. naval warfare takes place over such long ranges because the sea is flat and featureless. Imagine if even the gradual curvature of the sea over the planet wasnt getting in the way, and your projectile just retains it's energy forever without having to burn fuel. Assuming we have similar tech to today when we occupy the solar system, the only way to actually get out of engagment range is to sit in a position which requires higher deltaV than your opponent's missile can put out. Which would be extremely far away.
>>16787107yeah, I hate how r3dditors suck the dick of The Expanse constantly due to muh realism, while ignoring the shit annoying characters and Ayys. what a letdown of a show, not even the fedora detective could carry it
>>16787113I think its overall watchable but yes it could have been much better
>>16787103space ships will not be manufactured on the moon for a very very long time. SpaceX has what, like 13k staff? Even naively assuming that SpaceX could make rockets while disconnected from the entire global economy, 13 thousand people on the moon aint happening for at least 100 years so has no relevance to current moon mission plans. Building space ships on the moon would be essentially bringing all the components form earth down into another gravity well to assemble them, then having to waste fuel to escape. It's a worse idea than gateway.
>>16786217It's not the worst idea for a cheap way to yeet payloads while using ICBM infrastructure that needs to be maintained anyway.It doesn't go full retard until someone said lets put crew on top.
>>16787103Moon will be the defacto manufacturing hub for LEO. Why pay thru the nose to launch space habitats and such from earth when the moon is far cheaper. you can SSTO on the moon.
>>16787113That show makes me cringe so much that I coudl never watch it. The cringe sope opera acting andbizzare plot is made worse by the shitty mid budget cg they overuse.
>>16787017I think ships are cool
>>16786435>we need trucks, cars and gulf carts>but I only want to build one design>so the postman drives a prime mover nowA dedicated vacuum verson is worth while if you want to maintain a moonbase, the dv cost of TLI / lunar return is high enough adding heat shields and a structure strong enough to aero loading is retarded.We need a big LEO VL, the biggest TLI tug it can carry and a dedicated lander. Trying to make one design do all 3 is doomed to fail.The mass margins don't exist for multi-role across such a big range to be viable.
>>16785907Ship rollout will happen soon
>>16786827Print Boeing / ULA shirts and force them to wear them.
>>16787130I don't care.
>>16787130I care, thanks for the input
>>16787103Refining metal in a vacuum with low gravity will take a long time to work out, the best use for the moon in the midterm is a fuel plant that puts fuel into LLO to supply cislunar space operations.Unless there is something on the moon that makes this economically viable we get to rot on this rock until the profit motive or humany dies.
>open Xitter>nogs stealing water pipes>nogs assaulting people>nogs being stupidCan't get off this planet soon enough
>>16787130thinking about a specialized moon hopper when people haven't been to the moon in 60 years is a bit prematurehow about actually getting the basic base working at first
>>16786961It's up, both the US and UK editions. Your source may or may not have it yet.
>>16787113Season 1 was one of the greatest shows ever made, then the ayys fucked it up.I was loving the Mars / Belt / Earth political dynamics but then magic sentiant space station.
>>16787001>>16787005>using one of the most well known events in history as an exampleDo you even understand how LLMs function?
>>16787157
>>16787158again, the poster made very specific claims about LLMs unable to summarize a wikipedia articleif you have an example of something which you think is more difficult, then post itor shut the fuck up
>>16787160who's the guy on the left?
>>16787150It we want to return to the moon we need a dedicated lander, even the HLS concept is a dedicated lander the same shape as starship to make people forget engines at the top mean a totally different internal design.The Dynetics HLS is a good compromise between dedicated hopper and a lander because it only throws away tanks that could be replaced via tug resupply.
>>16787169https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Traor%C3%A9
>>16787175kek, thanks I thought the guy was a regular warlord but on a fast read looks like he's doing good
>>16787173its shit
>>16787173>it only throws away tanksthey scrapped that concept with their second iteration.
>>16787178Yes, it was a bad proposal, that doesn't make it a bad concept.
>>16785907Can anyone find errors in this Ares 1 timeline made by GPT5?
>>16787017>watershipis that like a spaceship that goes to water instead of space?
>>16787193Iterative design, they will get a lot of data from transporting it from one place to another.
>Not clickbait!
>>16787017>not delivering by E2E flight>or by an orbital mission that lands in Florida
>>16787193it's like how a spaceship in LEO is floating on the edge of space, so a watership floats on the edge of water
>>16787065>Launching hundreds of satellites each year to replenish constellationsWe tried launching them higher but people complained about crap ping time.You're free to subscribe to Hughes if you don't like LEO.
>>16787193Musk envies Stockton Rush and wishes to join him in the depths.
>>16787203> Kumgesagt> in 2025
>>16787203God, I really wish an asteroid would hit us already. Even better, an interstellar comet.
>>16786814>>16786817
>>16787157first delta post i'v found funny. well done delta, since I know you lurk here.
>>16787103>Also there has to be a ton of useful untouched minerals we can mine without having to go that deepDream all you want but we still haven't found shit there except for roggs.And the moon is not a "middle point", it's yet another gravity well along the way.
>>16787214A decent sized asteroid to the ocean killing a couple of hundred million with waves might make us get our shit together.
>>16787206The booster obviously cant do earth to earth by itself. Though anons were saying different 5 years ago.
>>16787215Price discovery in action
>>16787146>fuel plant that puts fuel into LLOwhat kind of fuel? where does it come from?The moon is lacking in hydrogen and carbon unless we get lucky and find something under all that rock.
>>16787226>The moon is lacking in hydrogenIt really isn't
>>16787228there is no hydrogen on the moon.
>>16787235>Water ice? What now?
>>167872361. There is barely any water on the moon and it's all in permenantly shadowed places where you can't generate energy through solar power.2. That is not free hydrogen so you need a power plant to turn it into hydrogen. See fisrt problem.
>>16787240NTA but1) permenantly shadowed areas are inside craters, you can put solar on the lip.2) see 1
>>167872401. wrong2. wrong
>>167872411. I put my cock on your dad's lips.2. see 1
>>16786514No they will eventually resort to actively cooled tiles
>>16787251you saw all that orange shit? that was the actively cooled tilesatomic oxygen is nasty stuff
>>16787252They weren't actively cooled fucking retard
>>16787251I really wish I could find data on the ISP cost of active cooling, I'm too lazy and stupid to do all the heat capacity calcs myself.
>>16787017SpaceX have their own navy
Cloud shadows in KSA
>>16787265
>>16787266
>>16787265I couldn't care less about the graphics, the performant engine makes me hard.
>>16787254unless they changed something between flight 7,8,9, and 10, they did in fact test active cooling.
>>16787266>>16787265Absolutely abominable graphics. Makes me puke. I can't wait for this game to crash and die.
>>16787269I care about the graphics. I want the game to look absolutely pristine. I want them to spend months on exhaust plume physics and graphics. I want them to flesh the fuck out of the terrain system, I want Valles Marineris to look like the Grand Canyon, with rock arches and sedimentary layers and boulders everywhere, not just like a regular heightmap and two crossfaded textures. I want my chrome rockets to reflect every thing in sight. I want the sunsets on every planet to look as meaningful as they would in real life.
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1967998812011761910https://www.firstpost.com/tech/amazon-project-kuiper-ricky-freeman-elon-musk-starlink-low-earth-orbit-jetblue-airways-13934124.html
>>16787277I just want a game in which, things rocket companies are currently doing would be possible without hundreds of mods.
>>16787277Modders have done all of that for KSP, that's why I don't care about RocketWerkz doing it.All I want is a core that can handle a shitload of parts, fuels, bodies and craft.Not required but a nice bonus would be Farram Aero analog.
>>16787281Also this, reuse, refurbishment and air launch carrier auto return to base would be great.
>>16787277I'm happy if there's stuff to do on the planets, unlike KSP. There's only so many times you can deploy surface experiments or pick up a rock before it gets samey.
>>16787287If you haven't given RP-1 a go I highly reccomend it, realistic planet sizes, engine thrust & ISP and fuselage weight make things a lot more interesting.It also adds ISRU so you have plenty to do when you get there.
>>16787277The bottom one blew me away for a second but then i realised it's the real life version.
why isnt there a good space base making geam (no subnautica I want something good)
>>16787287I want base building to be as in depth as rocketry or more. Not even mods could make KSP base building that great, but if it's part of the core progression and game systems it has a chance to be really good.
>>16787316there are a lot of cool mars/moon base concepts that really could make for a cool game. Imagine you start out as a *naut and your first base on an alien planet is some shitcan with just enough space to survive and your goal is to survey for resources, mine, process materials, and expand your base. Build up infrastructure, mining outposts, create robots and shit to automate building and manufacturing for you.you would have to manage resources like food, water, oxygen, fuel and such. All using real/plausible enough science with some handwaves here and there for gameplay purposes.
>>16787278long awaited by whom? also is oneweb kill yet?
>A future female astronaut from Mexico has signed an agreement with Axiom Space for her participation in a space flighthttps://twitter.com/Axiom_Space/status/1963621807715434762oh i totally missed this from like two weeks ago
>>16787332BUILT for BCC (big Caucasian cock)
>>16787281Bad luck, they're gonna do 1/10th scale planets and fucking kittens as astronauts. In retrospect KSP having kerbals and going for the "whacky" aesthetic ruined the whole genera of space sims. If KSA also decides to have each part be a separate physics entity so they can have le silly reddit bendy rockets then there's no hope for it no matter how performant the engine is, this single choice is the primary reason ksp runs like shit, otherwise it wouldn't matter if you had 10 parts or 1000 because it'd all be computed as a solid block.>>16787293The issue with it is that it's 200 mods held together with module manager patches rather than one coherent project, so nothing works properly and you can feel the KSP engine buckling under the load. My one hope for KSA is that the RP-1 team will be able to start from scratch and actually produce a playable mod.
>>16787340>e silly reddit bendy rocketsso you don't want structural failure in the game?
>>16787340>If KSA also decides to have each part be a separate physics entityNope, they have already said the reason they can have parts counts in the thousands is physics treats it as one piece.The one downside with this is it would let you push around a huge station covered it radiators and solar panels at high trust without any damage, I hope they can find a way to have both solid rockets but weak trusses.>it's 200 mods held togetherYeah, nearly all mods are supported by RP-1 memebers at this point so compatibility is pretty good but it will beat your PC to death.>the RP-1 team will be able to start from scratchI hope so too anon, KSP2 went wrong because it was MBAs thinking about how to make money not programers thinking about how to make a game. I hope KSA can get it right and focus on core features.As for the cutesie shit I honestly don't care, I can see the appeal of it as educational software for kids which KSP did will with so KSA also aiming for that market is good for spaceflight in general. We need more kids wanting to get into aerospace engineering.
>>16787312define "space base making game"Surviving Mars is pretty good city builder. Not perfect, but good. Skip all the Paraslop DLCs besides maybe Green Mars.
>>16787353base building implies I am the one building and living in the base not some little dudes doing it for me
mfw I see a NASA recruiting desk near meWork literally anywhere else if you want to accomplish something
>>16787353a remastered version is coming that integrates all of the DLC and supposedly fixes the problemsI'm not really holding my breath on that, but hope its not garbage
>>16787356JPL has done a heap of cool shit you couldn't do anywhere else, the biggest downside is the political factor leading to highly dynamic budgets.You could be hired for a project, get though the planning phase and be fired because it's all canned after an election.
>>16787353Something at least partially based in reality not a city building sim with a Mars theme.
https://x.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1968010132945846663
Do we have a complete list of companies that are actually looking to use starship as a launch platform?So far the ones I know of are all companies that are looking at large space station modules like vast, starlab, sierra spaceI also just found this vid which covers beeg sat as a new paradigm in the sat market https://youtu.be/LMYF9iBXvng
>>16787347>KSP2 went wrong because it was MBAs thinking about how to make moneyAnd they followed the tried and tested strategy of all games since 2008 of hiring 98 'artists' and 2 coders. Despite the ksp community all wanting a paradigm shift under the hood, not a 60 dollar version of free mods for ksp 1.
>>16787377To cut costs they reused a shitload of the KSP codebase, it was a clusterfuck from the start and I'll always hate Squad for licencing the sequal to anyone but Harvester.They made so much money off the first one they could have just given Harv a couple of mil and said "do it again" and recruiting from the modding community they could have nailed it.
>>16787371why doesnt he just pay for it himself? elon would.
>>16787375those + k2 which you mentioned are the ones I rememberhaven't been reading much random space news lately though (especially after the paywall at spacenews)
>>16787382I hate this mythhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2025/elon-musk-business-government-contracts-funding/
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/09/northrop-grummans-new-spacecraft-is-a-real-chonker/>"The NG-23 vehicle is packed with consumables like nitrogen, oxygen, food, and toilet parts, and it has a large number of spare parts that are required for systems like, for example, our urine processor," Contella said. The station was running low on some of these space parts over the past year. "We'd like to have a good reserve for the future," she said.
>>16787396>A Cygnus cargo freighter awaits capture by the space station's Canadian-built robotic arm on August 6, 2024.
>>16787382>elon would.Name one (1) mission he has done to the moon or mars out of his own pocket. LMAO.
>>16787382elon would if it was necessary (i.e. as a part of landing a starship on mars)but he doesn't really tend to do much random philanthropy, at least not pure philanthropyusually its combined with some other business interest, which I guess from his perspective is really a better way to do it as it become self-sustaining do something generally useful + get paid for it so the useful thing will continue to be availablean example would be lets say subsidizing the launch costs of science missions vs building a company that just lowers the launch costs overallthe latter is much better overall while also being beneficial to musk and the resources from that can then be used to build something else and on and on
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/09/a-new-report-finds-chinas-space-program-will-soon-equal-that-of-the-us/> A new report finds China’s space program will soon equal that of the US>China "poised to overtake us in the next five to 10 years if we don't do something."
>>16787400Just shut up man.
It's almost 2026 and you disgusting fucks are still sucking Elon's dick? Still no successful Starsihp anything. Honest to God y'all so pathetic I don't even waste time mocking you as much anymore. You all disgust me. The human race is doomed to the gravity well because retarded clapping seals like the Elon Sisters exist and are allowed to breed. You tardeds are literally everything that's wrong with the human race. You are why we can't have nice things. You, and losers like you, are why science has stalled and we are regressing as a species. YOU ARE THE FERMI PARADOX....YOU! Love,Sky Hook-Chan
>>16787406its going to take alot more than 5 to 10 years to catch up to NASA let alone spacex.
https://archive.is/ke4eS>“We hope to be launching our next-generation direct-to-device satellites in two years, and hopefully maybe have some tests on phones late next year,” she said.>“This is the start, by the way, of a huge amount of work,” Shotwell said of the deal. “We’re working with chip manufacturers to get the proper chips in phones.”
>>16787406I think everyone but the most delusional claps take this as given at this point.The US is going full austerity on spaceflight while China sees it as a great way to prove neoliberal economics has failed and win over thirdies.The biggest downside is China doesn't release anywhere near as much as NASA so it's not going to be like Apollo with constant updates.>>16787412To catch SpaceX all they need is a working Falcon 9 clone, SpaceX doesn't have anything else that works.
>>16787371Umm, do they know?
>>16787413>“Hopefully it’s not as hard as some of my engineers think it could be,” she added.uh
>>16787416>SpaceX doesn't have anything else that worksstarlink?
https://www.thespacereview.com/article/5060/1>When I made my annual trip last March, the Trump Administration was in the process of vilifying federal workers and pursuing an anti-diversity, equity and inclusion strategy across the federal workforce, which was resulting in plain old discriminationlol didn't know that garret reismann was a fag
>>16787421Great to generate revenue but has nothing to do with spaceflight capability. Anyone can launch a shitload of satellites.
>>16787424>A Hispanic female engineer told me of being harassed by co-workers who taunted her with claims that she would soon be deported. In the current environment it is not clear if there is any recourse to combat this type of harassment. No one wants to have the reputation of being a “complainer” and it’s not clear if reporting incidents of racial or sexual harassment would achieve results that would outweigh the backlash.
>>16787425lol no they can'tcadence is a capability in itself
>Huge number of space technology startups exist to extract money from investors. Nobody wants anything on the moon, a Mars colony is decades away at best, and the only actual substantial customers for space stations are governments interested in science spending.https://www.reddit.com/r/labrats/comments/1ncwmay/what_technologyscience_hot_topic_do_you_think_is/nde0gsg/looks like my fellow sciencefags are retarded and shouldnt speak outside of their domain of expertise
https://archive.is/kpjvBanother excerpt from the davenport book, this time about boca chica
>>16787427We are talking about a modern space race, being able to put 18 tons into LEO hasn't been impressive for a very long time.
>>16787424>Garrett Reisman is not gay; he is married to his wife, Simone Francis Reisman, and they have two children, Bixby and Buster. Reisman met his wife at Caltech in 1996, and they now live together in California and Washington state. >He wears a fag shirt in publicJust saying.
>>16787429>Half of the homes looked abandoned. There seemed to be more barking dogs than people. Since the residents had no running water, they relied on the county to truck it in once a month in big blue barrels that sat on their lawn. Buzza stepped forward to get a better look at one house, then quickly retreated after seeing a sign that read, “MEET MY FRIEND SMITH AND MY OTHER FRIEND WESSON.”
>>16787432
>>16787416As everyone knows a flat budget is austerity.
>>16787416>to catch SpaceX all they need to do is advance to SpaceX's previous generation of rocket
>>16787419"Transferring prop is hard" is a myth promoted by oldspace in order to protect SLs style all in one launch architecture
>>16787426>No one wants to have the reputation of being a “complainer”What is this, Japan?
>>16787431maybe his kids are gay
>>16787440Pic related, 24% cut, the lowest inflation adjusted budget since 1961.>>16787441Oh which operational rocket does SpaceX have now?
>>16787448>dem welfare queens are out of a jobwhat's not to like?
>>16787448The FY26 NASA budget is $24.8 billion.
>>16787450Souce?Here is mine.https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikehirschberg/2025/09/08/nasa-cuts-imperil-vertical-flight-technology-leadership/
>>16787448SpaceX has 2 (technically 3 with FH) active rockets that have delivered payload to space, all of which are 1+ generation ahead of any near term Chinese rocket.
>>16787447"Say hello Bixby.""HELLO Bixby!"
>>16787441Not just build a f9 ripoff, they also need to demonstrate the same level of cadence and reliability. Landing a rocket is easy in comparison to reliablely landing a rocket and reusing it 30+ times and launching once every other day with virtually no incidents
>>16787452>SpaceX has 2 (technically 3 with FH) active rockets that have delivered payload to spaceWhat are they? Falcon 1 was retired, Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy are operational but I can't find a 3rd operational LV.>>16787454That is the catch, while SpaceX is very tight lipped about refurbishment costs no one can deny they are getting a lot of flights out of F9 boosters. I think it'll take the chinks awhile to get to that point.
>>16787451https://appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/committee-approves-fy26-commerce-justice-science-and-related-agencies
>>16787406So... how do I start learning chinese for my fully automated luxury gay space communist utopia?
>>16787455>I can't find a 3rd operational LVBecause you are moving the goalposts to not count their newest rocket.
>>16787453bixby and fucking busterthese names are almost as retarded as musks kids names
>>16787456All that says is>Supporting the critical Artemis program to advance American leadership in space and countering China’s malign ambitions to steal American research.With no numbers.
>>16787448The US spending less on exploring the cosmos than the UK spends on it's tiny 80 thousand man military is a humiliation ritual for the western world.
>>16787460The one that hasn't achieved orbit, you are right I consider it behind New Glenn which has made orbit.
>>16787463If NASA was to mix its budget with the USSF, wouldn't that solve two problems with one stone?
>>16787428>Nobody wants anything on the moonthis is an outright lie though. Lunar derived fuel sent to LEO would provide a strategic advantage to US space systems. Hydrolox powered sat tugs that can quickly move space assets or intercept anti-sat weapons would be a pretty big capability.
>>16787466It's not like they "can't" achieve orbit though so that point is entirely moot.
>>16787470It would certianly be very helpful. If the space force gets roped into interplanetary stuff it would masively juice US staying power and political support. They should be given responsibility for Sean Duffy's 'nuclear reactor on the moon', that's golden bait to wake up politicans with the "WHATIF CHINA STEALS OUR MILITARY REACTOR!1!"
>>16787473USSF has a vested interest in space asset maneuverability so they should actively be funding lunar resource extraction and orbital fuel depots to facilitate that capability. of course the artemis program could also benefit from such depots
>>16787462anon you have the ability to look up the FY26 CJS billhttps://appropriations.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-appropriations.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/fy26-commerce-justice-science-and-related-agencies-bill-summary-full-committee.pdf
>>16787486Not reading it.
>>16787466The goalpost moved yet again.
>>16787461Someone in the Reisman household enjoys chugging cock, and it ain't the Mrs.
>>16787492>all earthlings are created equalokay stop eating food then because you're murdering earthlings to eat them
>>16787409That's not what space looks like
>>16787486>National Aeronautics and Space Administration: Provides $24.838 billion for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, which is equal to the FY25 enacted level.It's better than the propossed cuts but keeping it at the same level shows they aren't serious about returning to the moon.>>16787489To quote >>16787452>SpaceX has 2 (technically 3 with FH) active rockets that have delivered payload to space, all of which are 1+ generation ahead of any near term Chinese rocket.Is Startship an active rocket that has delivered pyload to space?My goalpost never moved, yours has.
>>16787253
>>16787495No anon you don't get to walk this back, you asserted NASA was getting massive cuts.
>>16787520Yeah, that was the propossed budget as started by every major news source.I'm glad that isn't what happened, I like space, I also think with he planned return to the moon being on a $2b LV that $24b isn't going to go dar.
>>16787495>Is Startship an active rocket that has delivered pyload to space?As of Flight 10, yes.
>>16787526Deploying on a suborbital path counts as payload to space? Does it also count when the nose cone comes off a sounding rocket?
>>16786992Any lawfags can explain is this is legal?
This admin should seriously consider tasking the USSF to provide funding for broadly beneficial space technologies. Technologies that bolster US presence in space in a broad sense both militarily and commercially. There is no reason why we can't have USSF and it's huge budget allocate funding for something like fuel depots which objectively benefit both the USSF and NASA/commercial space industry. Same with in space manufacturing, moon resource extraction, and so on
>>16787536I don’t think “this admin” is gonna do anything based or sincere or good ever again.
>>16787538shut the fuck up
>>16787430Putting 18 tons into space every two days and then reusing the booster that put it up there is not only unprecedented, but unmatched after ten years of having opportunity to copy SpaceX's homework.
ESA -- is everything okay at home?
>>16787543>calypso>callistoeverything that rhymes with cali- goes to shit
>>16787543>When you know you were born in the wrong continent
>>16787113I hated how they "spun up" Ceres. Asteroids do not work that way And showed a greatly exaggerated Coriolis effect when Miller was pouring his whiskey, then never again
>>16787549so leave
>>16787203A 1 gigaton bomb will vaporise a 1km diameter asteroid
>>16787535It isn't.Fun fact, dumpster diving is also theft.
>>16787572Laws don't apply to robots
>>16787559the vapor will still have the same momentum, and will quickly condense
>>16787576It'll rapidly disperse to be much bigger than the Earth, most of it will miss us
>>16787574The U.S isn't asking for help on this matter. A robot that far away has to receive instructions to complete a retrieval of samples. The nation sending those instructions could face consequences for theft.
>>16787203They acknowledged starship finally, if only briefly. Still they suck off the SLS.
>>16787543Europe launches less rockets than India. They are a dead museum continent
>>16787612disney world continent for Americans. Sooner or later we should just conquer them and kick out the immigrants to solidify them as our vacation destination continent.
>>16787492And that chugger is me
International maritime salvage law will be extended to space.
Name one time Musk has ever done a space thing without being paid for it.
Cygnus you are late
>>16787543>entire lifetime of the Grasshopper/dev1 program was 3 years>first booster landed a year after it ended>in the 10 years since, Spacex has perfected F9 reuse >...and is well on the way to doing the same with a rocket bigger than the Saturn V>ESA cannot even start building a Grasshopper equivalentEurope isn't a serious place
>>16787438Great man theory isn't re-
>>16787650great men might just be a very rare combo of high competence/intelligence + high agency + insane work ethicsimply something like high IQ isn't enough and assuming there are a bunch of these traits that are mostly uncorrelated and normally distributed, then being on the right side of the bell curve on a bunch of them simultaneously is just very rarebeing top 1% in 4 traits would be 1 in 100 millionbeing top 0.1% in 3 traits would be 1 in a billiondon't need that many traits to be that rare to be overall very rare
>>16787659Need to also be high in dark triad traits and charisma if you are talking about great men like Musk.
>>16787448>OUR BUDGET ISNT GOING UP INFINITELY>THATS WHY WE HAVENT BUILT A ROCKET IN 40 FKING YEARS
>>16787662NASA has never built rockets
https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/spacestation/2025/09/16/nasa-northrop-grumman-assessing-cygnus-xl-engine-burn-plan/>Early Tuesday morning, Cygnus XL’s main engine stopped earlier than planned during two burns designed to raise the orbit of the spacecraft for rendezvous with the space stationoops
>>16787666I feel nostalgic for the time we could point and make fun of Roscosmos for such things. Look how far we have fallen down with them
>>16787668Roskosmos oops are when they spray coolant everywhere or spin the station like a top
>Over 1 decade of reliable deliveries.More than 148,000 pounds of essential supplies, equipment and experiments.. 7 reboosts of the @iss. We’re building on our past to transform for the future. The S.S. Willie McCool is ready to take flight!>FailsNice jinx NG.
>>16787666they should probably have made it a capsule instead so they could recover and re-fly it
>Commander William C. "Willy" McCool was killed while piloting the Space Shuttle Columbia as the shuttle was attempting entry and landing on February 1, 2003.*Sad Pikachu face*
>>16787666>>16787668Gosh, cygnus gets me nostalgic for the time when it was a bitter race between SpaceX and Orbital Sciences for who would become dominant in the commercial resupply contracts. Back when Musk wasnt even so rich and they could have gone under at any time. That time when Antares engine failed and the rocket exploded on the pad was a big morale boost for SpaceX enjoyers.
>>16787682forgo pic.
You can't go to Mars.
>>16787689says who
>>16787689>"You can't go to Mars"
>>16787419>prop transfer is as tough as heat shieldermm
>>16786375The closer Musk gets to actually landing on Mars the closer Vivian gets to losing its fucking mind
>>16787725Some of my poop transfers have been very difficult if you know what I mean. Trips to mars will require plenty of fiber intake plus adequate hydration.
>>16787693>says who?
>>16787177he just lost another town to jihadists
>>16787593LMAO they gave the booster wings. Did they use an ai pic for reference or something?slopgezagt fail
>>16787326something like Factorio?
>>16787761not 3dI want to walk into an airlock and then into my comfy inflatable habitat
>>16787762satisfactory?
>>16787765I dont like it.Imagine surviving mars type thing but you actually control a player character.
>>16787773surviving mars is insanely boring. go play moonbase alpha
>>16787776pretty much but also make it an actual game with progression and stuff
>>16786380no, he's talking about the 30 million illegals who weren't working at the Hyundai plant
>>16787791there are actually 100 million illegals and all of them need to be deported.
How will SpaceX convince their investors that its in their interest to spend their money on going to Mars rather than spend it on starlink and what not? How will that keep the valuation ballooning?
>>16787834Stocks can only go up
>>16787834SpaceX is a private company, if the investors are not your average retarded old fucks or jews you are pretty safe as a company regarding your vision.
>>16787834Private companies don't really have to listen to shareholder whining
>>16787589There is no way to enforce laws on other planets currently.
>>16787419Inb4 some SpaceX engineer builds a functional fuel transfer pump out of a freezer, car tire, a few pool valves, and fire hose.
>>16787834If the investors don't like it they can hit the road. SpaceX isn't a democracy.
>>16787849That's where the Space Force comes in.
>>16787730I wish I could eat your poop
>A ship transport stand is being moved into MB2 ahead of S38's rollout at midnight tonight - Rover Cam
>>16787572>Fun fact, dumpster diving is also theft.It literally isn't. Once it's in the trash (like a dumpster or at a trash pickup location) it's considered abandoned and anyone can take it.It only becomes illegal if you violate trespassing laws while doing it.
>>16787730Starships will connect nose-to-nose and rotate tumbling style to generate gravity.This means that the lower decks will have higher gravity, so all you need to do is go down there, assume the evacuation position, and the g-forces will suck the troublesome turd directly out of your colon and into the fuel tank.
there she is
>>16787866that's a man
>>16787867ships are female
I wish I could be a forktruck driver for SpaceX that seems quite comfy
>>16787868It's literally shaped like a cock
>>16787875stop thinking about cocks
>>16787875Rockets are the most feminine penis of all
>>16787861>>16787866ship 38 is completed?
>>16787869forklift driving seems super stressful. one fuckup and you're fired, or worse, people are dead.
>>16785019Is there actually an /sfg/ KSP server? how do i join? sounds fun. I'm shit at it and I'm learning but I want to try it
>>16787528It literally does. What do you think Mercury-Redstone 3 and Vostok 1 were?
>>16787890Ignore the typos, I'ts 1:00am and I'm sleep deprived
>>16787883It's easy. Don't fuck up.
>>16785019The Rings of Saturn, so I can be a space pirate and pillage the ships that come near Saturn.
>>16787890KSA, not KSP
>>16787901oh, is it hard/expensive to create a KSP server? is it like minecraft or you have to do it on a beefy pc or rent an instance?
So V3 is delayed despite no FAA investigation? Hmmm it's almost like Elon has been pulling out cock all along
>>16787912Breathtaking ESL nonsense, bravo0.1¥ has been deposited in your bank account
>>16787834Musk has like 79% voting control
Only a handful of test tiles on S38.
>>16787940it looks good for a tin can
>>16787940I wonder if they'll try to have reenter with no issues.
>>16787940Metallic tiles are likely a bust, the atomic oxygen environment is even more severe for Mars entry.
>>16788001pretty bad news for stoke (assuming that the hydrogen bleed doesn't create some kind of protective barrier
>>167879403 green lights centered near the bottom of the ship. Is this reflected light from an outside source, or are they coming from those tiles?
>>16787406The biggest long-term issue facing SpaceX/America is launch sites. There will need to be some large area(s), both on ground and in airspace that's dedicated purely to launching rockets. Having to deal with all the shit of constantly managing other things going on in the area you want to launch your rockets is a massive hurdle that will be devastating to something as aspirational as Starship. Of course the chinks don't care because they'll just launch whenever and wherever they want and say who gives a shit.Whether China can catch America hinges solely on whether America can free the way for truly frequent rocket launches. If America preempts that hurdle then China will forever be the tortoise waiting for the hare to sleep.
>>16787681>Will be disposed off and burn up on re-entryKinda fucked up desu.
>>16787924>a single typo made by some dumbadd phoneposter>ESL ABLOO ABLOOYou must be over 110 IQ to post here btw
>>16787940the crunchwrap supreme
>>16788037To be fair launch sites are also chinas biggest issue at the moment. Thats why you heard talk recently of chinese companies licensing out baikonur pads or trying to launch from boats.
>>16787121>using ICBM infrastructure that needs to be maintained anywayWith Starship making brilliant pebbles a thing, are ICBMs a dead technology? Has Big SRB finally been killed?
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1968229616927277393>Starship 38 has rolled out to the Starbase launch complex for static fire testing ahead of upcoming Starship test flight 11. two more weeks
>>16788117Sadly no. While launching a single ICBM killing pebble is cheaper than the ICBM, a constellation with constant uptime over possible launch sites quickly gets really expensive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
>>16788123It should be less expensive than starlink and thats profitable right now.
>>16788126For individual or clusters sure, but if you have to have a hundred pebbles available for every possible launch site on the chance that's the one that had all of the missiles in it then the density needs to be a lot more than what starlink is doing.
>>16788130Individual or small clusters of ICBMs rather.
Guys what if Alpha Centauri only has shithole planetsAnd Barnard's Star seems to only have super-Mars planets in extremely tight orbits, probably lava planets only.
>>16787940Do we know the reason for the rings of smaller tiles?They appear to be around the ends of the tanks.
>>16787910No clue mate
>>16787940I'm glad we got past the metallic tiles bullshit. Let's just have a good sendoff for V2 before the inevitablr V3 shitshow.
>>16787910Ksp multiplayer barely works. did it back in the day with some friends, there is a reason multiplayer was never officially implimented, it was too fucked up for anyone apart from modding autists to appreciate.
>>16788136If none of the exoplanets within 10 LY are Mars-like in terms of climate and habitability at the very least, it's fair to say we're never leaving the solar system or we're going to be set back thousands of years.
>>16787883I've seen WAY too many videos of people getting their organs spread like butter on the floor by a rogue forklift that runs them over. Those things are even more dangerous than they look. Not to mention if you accidentally nudge a shelf in the warehouse one time at 9am after an 11 hour night shift, then suddenly it comes down and you are crushed and suffocated under a ton of cheap crap, thn get your pay docked for being unproductive.
Heat shield looks pretty much complete. If SF goes well launch in 2-3 weeks?
>>16788184That problem is solved by simply not being a retard and doing things slowly and safely. Been at my place for four years and never seen or been in a forklift incident.
>>16787961that's the whole point. Next flight is meant to prove a heat shield which finally takes no damage.>>16788122>>16787940my intution tells me the heat shield is ready. they will not suffer catastrophic damage this time if the ship actually makes it to entry.
>>16788136>>16788183There's always Proxima b. Proper size and temperature>inb4 no atmosphereWell you can't have everything
>>16788203just make your own on site
>>16788001>>16788033Considering the metal tile result and the unpredicted flight dynamics of Starship, it's pretty strange how cockshit sure stoke is that their hydrogen bleed will work fine.
>>16788205Yeah I'm really not concerned. So long as the temperature and size are right, it's ripe for terraforming. I don't like the rumours of some saturn-sized fart planet wandering drunkenly throughout the entire habitable zone of alpha centauri A
>>16788208the hydrogen bleed rate is an easy variable to adjust and optimize for. thats why stokes payload to orbit is a big unknown, but they can likely make it work on early attempts, but the payload could be nothing if you save so much h2 for entry and landing. theyre hoping and praying it has margins and only one way to find out. its okay to fuck around when its investors money
>>16788184fucking gravity
>>16788187Maybe.
>>16788237zero g warehousing venture capitalist detected
>>16785907It is happening, the Ship is on the pad!!!!!! Launch in 2 weeks.
>>16788244>pretends to do space thingswithout Musk we would be championing Bezos as the hero. Just think of the fact that the guy has developed a partially reusable high c3 heavy lift launch vehicle off his own back with no expectation of profit. They will be selling NG launches at a loss just because jef wants low cost acess to space.
>>16788122No more experiments with tiles apparently.
https://youtu.be/dRt3mOuCRoc
>Two Weeks
What happens first:>China lands man on the moon>An upper stage SS holds and maintains 100% of its TPS tiles for 24 hrs without losing any
>>16788268I feel like I'm pretty good at predicting things. Especially Starship related things. Should I sign up for this app?
>>16788287>should I gamble in rigged predictions markets?yes you should! this is /sci/ and we did the math
>>16788122>I showed you my space dick now answer me
>>16788122>"Pathetic"
>>16788237that one guy on the bottom right got smoked, dead for sure. guy in the lift might be smothered as well.
>>16788335>dying for a wagebleak
>>16788125
https://x.com/TurkeyBeaver/status/1968295301304680722
>>16788347>post yfw you knew about horizontal ship/booster transport since a few months now since reading it in the LC-39A EIS document
>no fog at Vandy for once>this spooks the launch weather officer>hold
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1968323954222981562>The TPS on Ship 38 looks superb.
>>16788358very cool hex pattern with the crunch wrap contrasting the tiles. hopefully the crunch wrap proves to actually be reusable.
>>16788347>>16788351why are they doing this exactly?
>>16788366because there is no starship factory at the cape yet
>>16788361It looks exactly the same as every other ship
>>16788203The human mind would break down on a tidally locked planet.
>>16788387proof?
>>16788387>IS THAT... ETERNAL TWILIGHT???>AAAAIIIIIII I'M GOING INSANE
>>16788387I would simply close the window blinds
>>16788035That was a drone that looked to be inspecting the heat sield from what I saw on the video feed.
>>16788366shuttle nostalgia
>>16788361We don't realize just how badly the ship and heat shield are damaged until we see a recovered one roll down TX Highway 4 in full sunlight, for us to stare at.Its more fucked up than you think, and definitely not reusable. 24,000 tiles, pinned on with "crunchwrap"... that is sketchy as fuck. I expect dozens and dozens of iterations on this before they say fuck it, expendable second stage. Its a single use heat shield, which is good enough for Mars landing. Sucks for in-space refueling though. Expendable Starship plans are drawn up already, I expect the two programs to be running in parallel. With the big bucks just spent for spectrum, the Mars/Moon ambitions take a distinct back seat in priority
>Why yes I hate the coolest rocket ever created because the company it's developed by is owned by a conservative (ignore the fact that liberals have had a stranglehold on all institutions for 40 years)Leftist culling can't come soon enough
>>16788426Who?
>>16788426we don't need that negative energy from nobodies here m8, just ignore it. May as well post screenshots of turds.
>>16788442>turdsaight.
>>16788405only if they put a "BLACK SIDE DOWN" notation on the supports
reminder that longshot spaces employs a convicted csam offender who happens to be the brother of the cto
>>16788414>headcanonlmao. expendable starship is not happening cope
>>16786076The moon has almost no volatiles, so there're aren't very many good options. The most straightforward is a hybrid using LOX and metallic aluminum or silicon. The specific impulse is garbage, but that's not that big a big deal when your propellant is dirt with some light processing and lunar gravity is only 1.6m/s2. If you're committed to using methalox architecture and can get hydrogen from the poles there's the possibility to converting your engines to use silane (SiH4) but that has the problem of generating molten sand in your exhaust plume which can fuck with reusability. I don't think anyone's built a test engine for this mix, but there has been a lot of research published about the idea. After that, you're down to looking for hypothetical deposits of lunar sulfur and building molten sulfur-oxygen engines.
>>16788426
>>16787222it just needs a nose cone then it can go wherever
https://x.com/JAtanackov/status/1968238498504491122>Bright comet ahead! C/2025 A6 (Lemmon) is brightening rapidly and is now within range of small binoculars (under dark skies). It may reach naked eye visibility in the beginning of October and become a pretty impressive sight in late October and early November, possibly as bright as 2nd magnitude. Viewing geometry in late October will be visible in the evening sky (in the northern hemisphere) with potentially quite a long tail. It may resemble C/1996 B2 (Hyakutake) in early April 1996 - if anyone remembers that :) It is good times for comets, with frequent bright ones.
KWAB!
its interesting that we're able to detect all these extrasolar objects traveling through the solar system now...eventually we'll find one that is a legit technosignature, just like we found life on mars. we just gotta be patient.
>>16788487there are techno signatures on earth and people have ignored them for decades. We will never find a technosignature because basedentists will never accept that anything more advanced than microbes is out there.
This just make me demand 1k lunches per month
>>16788486lmao
>>16788498>atmosphere keeps slowing down the rockets>launch even more rockets to destroy the ozone layer>solar winds can now remove the atmosphereIt's just that easy in rocketry.
>>16788498rockets will be required to deliver 1000 tons of ozone on every launch
>>16788498>could
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1968380376684052830>Starship moved to the pad at Starbase for preflight testing
>>16788518
>>16788519
https://x.com/shaunmmaguire/status/1968379904946536921
>>16788426muh fandom
https://x.com/lifeatstagezero/status/1968369850742620507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HatZIl3biHk
>>16788534rocketlab will compete and make a space capsule if there are new destinations in the future (other than ISS), which beck thinks there will bebut there is no current business case in developing a capsule
Is Davenport's previous book, Space Barons IIRC, worth reading?
>>16788426I don't see what the problem is, cognitive dissonance is pretty standard for tribalists
>At one point an excavator got swallowed up by a sinkhole. Employees spent days trying to get it out, but it only sank more. Finally, they rigged the heavy piece of machinery to two bulldozers and a thirty-ton dump truck and got it out right before a rainstorm that would have made it impossible to save.lol
>Cygnus engines failed againThat supplier is fucking toast
>>16787543Why is JAXA fucking around with ESA for that instead of assisting Honda with theirs that has actually flown?
>>16788554They feel bad for Germany
https://spacenews.com/esa-and-jaxa-sign-statement-on-expanding-deep-space-cooperation/Oh yeah and I guess there will be an "everyone else" mission to Apophis now that Osiris-Apex is canceled
>>16788537yeah there really isn't a point in space stations unless you can get the cost per seat <1mil. That requires a fully reusable rocket. Unfortunately starship is too fucking big to service any space station near or mid term. (see gateway/HLS issues) so the only real option is to upsize the stoke rocket and capsule.
>>16788534So does he insist on the "Sir"? I'd feel pretty embarrassed at the LARP.
>>16788577ITS SIRhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/Lb6OpRfyLFo
>>16788122I remember when the common opinion was that tiles weren't going to work>>16788518>>16788519>>167885202 weeks?
>>16788525they've really sped up those arms
>>16788560>November 21, 2024Also, Osiris-Apex has not been cancelled.
>>16788551being an "aerospace company capable of critical space missions" and "using an external supplier for the engines" does not compute.What are they even doing? I know its mandated for the fucking SLS to share the pork all around, but why is Northrop Grumman doing it? Are they really that STUPID? Isn't "minimal risk, ultra reliable" their only selling point for the huge price tag? And they keep having accidents and a questionable sourcing strategy, smells like my assFIRED!
>>16788599W for Saarship
>>16788387Psychological problems with long nighttime have been reported in arctic zones, never happened during long daytime.Just live in a sunny area and use curtains when you go to sleep.
>>16788599Why India?
>>16788602yeah I live in the Nordics and in the summer it's bright for like twenty hours a day, but nobody has ever been like damn I wish it was darker. But maybe it would be different if there was no perceptible day/night cycle at all
>>16788487Three interstellar interlopers in a few years, one of them very large, points to interstellar space being much more crowded with junk than we realised
>>16788609Earthly plants need a period of darkness, they don't do very well under permanent grow lights
>>16788610looks like we found dark matter after all
>>16788498I wonder how many of these equipped with bigass ozone generators you would need to counteract the effect from rocket launches
>>16788612Could that really be it? That would be hilariously simple
>>16788614how does this thing stay in the atmosphere
>>16788615probably not...dark matter is 20-30% of the mass energy of the universe...the normal matter we see is only 4%. so even if the universe was filled with comets everywhere, then its probably still not enough.
>>16788616It's a blimp
>>16788615>>16788612There is no dark matter. It's all plasma interactions that no one accounts for because MHD assumes no interactions and all of the models use it.
>>16788596>>16788551Who actually makes the engines for Cygnus? I can't find them listed anywhere.
>>16788614Probably a lot. One of the projects that the Soviets were looking at using Energia for right before the collapse was to launch 80 ton satellites to bombard the upper atmosphere to manufacture ozone using 35MW oxygen-iodine lasers. The plan was to use a constellation of 30-40 and that would still take 30 years to fix the projected ozone damage people were worrying about back in the 80s. https://epizodyspace.ru/bibl/energia46-96/11.html#38>During the work, a wide variety of issues were considered, from ballistic analysis to engineering solutions for the design of space objects. One of the most pressing problems of our time is the problem of ozone depletion. This global environmental disaster is caused by atmospheric pollution by chlorofluorocarbons. The most effective problem of restoring the ozone layer can be solved using space means based on the method of actively increasing the amount of ozone by irradiating the stratosphere with laser radiation from spacecraft. In this case, oxygen molecules are transferred to an excited state and, under the influence of solar radiation, are separated into atoms that form ozone. The space system consists of 30-40 satellites, each weighing 60-80 tons, located in a sun-synchronous orbit at an altitude of 1600 km. The satellites are launched into a reference orbit at an altitude of 450 km by the Energia launch vehicle; re-launch into a working orbit is carried out by an on-board electric propulsion system. The satellite comprises:>solar film concentrator (diameter 600 m);>laser installation (radiation power 35 MW);>instrument compartment and docking unit.>It is proposed to use a bunch of electric-discharge continuous oxygen-iodine lasers as a laser installation. Laser installations of satellites constantly irradiate the stratosphere illuminated by the Sun at an altitude of 30 km. Operating time of the entire system: at least 30 years.
>>16788522What stage is the boring company at?>tourist theme park ride>just one more lane bro>Installing rails for subways
>>16788522Boring company may beslightly interesting ifit was trying to lower costs of mass transit by tunnel rather than making retarded tesla tunnels which can carry 2 people at a time.
>>16788620Good question Thales builds the cargo half and Grumman the "service module"So it may actually be their own fault, just like the solar panels
>>16788593I am less than optimistic that Congress will accomplish anything and will roll over for the PBR, and even if by some miracle they manage a budget or CR like last year, Duffy will refuse to spend the money.
https://youtu.be/Gx2QCs2ltPEwhy am I getting a seizure from this video anton
>>16788630>math sugestsin the trash it goes.
>>16788633based, I only trust> meth suggests
>>16788630>directed panspermia is an interesting solution but Occam's razor Occam's razor Occam's RazorSick of hearing people use this as if it means anything. It's "the simplest answer is the most likely to be correct", not "the simplest answer is the only one that can possibly be correct now stop asking".No wonder modern academics are so blind to very obvious truths
>>16788625RnD and beta operation of the vegas loop
>>16788641that and panspermia is not the simplest answer
>>16788641Ask any scientist and they will be happy to inform you what "special pleading" means and why they avoid it even if it's the only remaining explanation
>>16788626its for dealing with the massive increase in demand created by the cheapness and convenience of self driving cars/robotaxis
>>16788628I think it uses a Jap BT-4 made by IHI Aerospace
>>16788596its cheaper for that sorta company to buy 8 engines a year for their makework highest bidder "missions" than to have an inhouse engine build/design team
>>16788654lol
>>16788644That's not even my point. It's just that people seem so unwilling to accept "less likely" theories even if the prosaic explanations have to be really stretched to the point that they make little sense.Sometimes it feels like that kid who got caught by his mom and came up with an elaborate explanation how he somehow fell down and his desk caught his pants which pulled them down and his computer just happened to be infected by a virus which brought him to a porn site. Elaborate explanations for things just to explain them away.
>>16788426simple fact: conservatives hate liberals for their "stranglehold on institutions" because they are stupid
>>16788644exactly lol
>>16788664>liberal ideology infects institutions thru communist professors>college educated people get brainwashed into believing in gay race communism>people who do not go to college are not subjected to this brainwashing>liberals proudly declare that liberalism is the ideology of intellectuals all while failing to notice they have been selectively programmed to hate themselves and their county.you are the stupid one
>>16788667>95 % of college educated people are rabid liberals>"conservatives" are fat disgusting ignorant retarded suburbanites who spout nonsense they heard on talk radioREALLY makes you think
>>16788664A reminder that the left does not reproduce and requires corrupting other's children, like in the case of Charlie Kirk's assassin.
I hate the left and the right, the future is above
>>16788654>single lane tunnels that shart themselves instantly if a single car has a problem
spaceflight?
electric cars don't have problems
>>16785956God the SN fins were ugly
Would sex be better or worse with Mars gravity? I have no frame of reference for either
>>16788668Think REALLY hard anon. Were colleges always like this? if not, what changed and when? You can do this, I believe in you.
>>16788668The avg. IQ on colleges isn't much above the general population until you reach the technical or hard science fields. It wasn't always like this, and it's why modern humanities is a total pseudo-religious shit show of another dimension - an adult daycare for drooling mongoloids who just shit out pages of nonsense. The few actual smart people are ostracized for making the others feel like morons.
>>16788695all a result of feminism and women taking over HR/recruiting departmentsAnd anti-discrimination laws/lawsuits
>>16788695you aren't supposed to spoon-feed him anon.
>apply to space companies>the only one that responds to me is the one i dont want to work for
>>16788710Work there and then move on later
>>16788710Suffering builds character.
>>16788689I think better. You could toss the girl around much more easily, but there's still enough gravity to work with.
>>16788710Such is life, fuck this gay earth
>>16788712>>16788713>>16788719it's spacex, im not going through the 6 interview round humiliation ritual to get paid like shit and work 7 days a week.i'd assume that it'd be easy to get into some boring easy cleared oldspace job but they've never called be back for an interview, which is honestly a little baffling
>>16788722Oh ok I thought you were interested in building space rockets.I guess not.
https://youtu.be/fLzEX1TPBFM>Dyson spheres were an elaborate jokeI am finally vindicated. Solar is retarded at large scales.
>>16788710>we're on the cusp of an economic depression>wahh i dont want to work on cool projects for $150k while 99% of the population suffers in misery
>>16788710consider yourself lucky to be smart enough to work at a space company. I could never do it. I can't wait to die.
Schizodrive is operationalhttps://www.nextbigfuture.com/2025/09/ivo-quantum-drive-is-now-operational.html
>>16788722all oldspace are jobs for life, and those few who retire can easily be replaced by ex spacexxers, no need to ever hire a graduate. Your best bet is grinding out a year or 2 at spacex.
>>16788738ITS HAPPENING!!!!!!!!
>>16788738>IVO Quantum drive has no measured thrustEven the AI that wrote this article didn't sugarcoat it.
>>16788738*changes orbit*
sidenote but taiwan debuted their own ballistic missile defense on par with israel's arrow-2. it should be able to intercept targets in space.https://www.twz.com/land/taiwan-just-unveiled-its-own-high-altitude-anti-ballistic-missile-system
>>16788764Israel gets lots of chances to push their air force and space defense. Belligerent country, lots of return fire from enemies and constant threats in the skies and space. Meanwhile Taiwan just gets surrounded by the chink navy and doesn't ever put its domestic and imported defense tech to practical use
>>16788686shut the fuck up
https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1968432966004318585
>>16788777jurveston was a great early investor in spacex and he definitely saw the vision before everyone else, but my God he’s such a faggot holy shit
>>16788757Downwards
>>16788786fast, but not fast enough
>>16788791I dont think anyone will have a space station ready to replace ISS by 2030 either desu
>>16788791Will be ready before Shartshit is fully operational.
>>16788801yeah probably. i expect it to launch sometime next year.
>>16788786Does bigelow not have claim to the first commercial station sent to orbit?
>>16787221wait, to the north atlantic or to the indian ocean?
>>16788801haven 1 is their demonstrator, not even their main station. They will not have a fully functional replacement until 2030 at the earliest>>16788807sending a trashbag to space isn't making a space station anon.
Cygnus XL due to arrive tomorrow at the ISS around 7 am.
>>16788812I thought it died Sorry I’ve been at work just skimmed the thread
>>16788809They have like three models in orbit, probability just as sophisticated as whatever Vast first puts up
>>16788738what is chang's source? no mention in the article and neither IVO nor rogue have posted about the experiment starting. king schizo himself also hasn't said anything, just his normal 30 political posts a day
>>16788551Turns out it was an overly conservative software constraint. Many such cases.https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/spacestation/2025/09/17/nasa-northrop-grumman-go-to-proceed-with-cygnus-xl-station-arrival/
>>16788825>Data shared by the spacecraft confirmed that Cygnus XL operated as intended during two planned maneuvers when an early warning system initiated a shutdown command and ended the main engine burn because of a conservative safeguard in the software settingsSoftware related issue
>>16788825>On Sept. 16, Cygnus XL commanded the main engine to shutdown earlier than planned during two, non-sequential rendezvous burns (delta velocity burns 3 and 5), designed to raise the orbit of the spacecraft for rendezvous with the space station. Cygnus XL’s trajectory placed the spacecraft a safe distance behind the space station while engineers assessed the spacecraft and developed its alternate burn plan. Data shared by the spacecraft confirmed that Cygnus XL operated as intended during two planned maneuvers when an early warning system initiated a shutdown command and ended the main engine burn because of a conservative safeguard in the software settings.So, gonna try another burn.
Software will be the death of humanity
>>16788827>not a free flying station people can visitnope
>>16788839genesis 2 is close enough to it
>>16788841if you can't put people in it it's just a satellite not a space station.
>>16788843Yet it’s in orbit and vast is on the ground curious
>>16788847>defunct inflatable launched by a company that no longer exists back in 2006>hmm this company that was founded in 2021 doesn't have a habitat in space yet... I am very smart
>>16788718But part of the hotness of sex comes with the effort.
>>16788678there will be a lot of tunnels
>>16788722if you work for them a year or two even with shit pay, you will probably be able to work wherever you want after thatalso don't they pay in stock as well? That has gone up a lot
>>16788738this guy is a retardalways posts hyperbolic, badly sourced bullshit speculationhis "reporting" has been wrong a few too times to make me care about what he says, even if he happens to be correct by accident sometimes
>>16788830it came to him in a dream
Guys... the ISS is in danger... Cygnus has fallen. Billions of dollars must be spent
>>16788926oh come on it's a cylinder with a few thrusters and a docking port, how can you fuck it up
>>16788929the real question is why are they still using an expensive disposable metal cylinder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs3tL895UKk
>>16788929Come on anon
Another one
>>16788948seems like a pretty efficient way to get to the station.The original pitch for cygnus and antares were interesting, the idea was to do the exact opposite of shuttle. where shuttle was incredibly costly and bespoke, cygnus would be cheap through being so shitty and simple that even losing a quater of them on ascent wouldn't be a problem. It's like big dumb booster but not big. Obviously they stuck with the simple design never ended up executing that plan because there was no demand for such frequent launches.
>>16788979Maybe it made sense then but it really doesn't make sense now. You can't compete in a market with falcon 9 using a fully expendable rocket and cargo spacecraft.lucky for them, starship is incredibly oversized and makes little sense for resupply for current and future space stations. If they were smart they would start on a reusable capsule now before RocketLab decides to make their own
>>16788979How did you make that post during an outage?
>>16788948yes, it needs more greeblies added to it to look like a proper spaceship
>>16788988>How did you make that post during an outage?My dad works at 4chan>>16788982Yeah, Antares and Cygnus were designed for their time. Kind of like New Glenn which would have been an OP rocket if it became fully operational 5 years ago, but instead will basically be becoingfully operational when Blue Origin shoud have their New Armstrong Starship analog coming out.
Are you guys ready?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTsgDDolXOA
did they tape pictures of fake passengers in the windows?
>>16789009not spaceflight
>>16789012It is spaceflight. And this is spaceflight too:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B818G4BXGI
>>16789012https://x.com/JeffBezos/status/679116636310360067
>>16789011yuh
perfect bullseye!
>>16789022lol, lmao even
https://x.com/stoke_space/status/1968661288629977571>Flame diverter installed at SLC-14. Next up: complete water suppression system tests.
>>16789024
>>16789025
how the fuck is 3.72mb too large? wasn't it 4mb previously
>>16789025seems a bit small
>>16789029stop swearing.
>>16789022That would have been a botched landing with a tower catch.
>>16788534>rocket lab has the hardware ready to go for the mars telecommunication orbiter>they just need nasa to place the orderi didnt expect that. no wonder they're so gungho about it.
>>16789024hot take but Nova is a DOA rocket. No one is going to want 3ton to LEO or whatever. They need to upsize it massively and bid for cargo resupply to ISS and future stations. That's where the money for medium life fully reusable is. It's the best use case. Otherwise it's a completely pointless rocket especially when neutron exists which can do far more on account of the second stage being disposable and super light weight
>>16789041That would have been a funny landing with a barge. New Glenn is finished, they learned nothing.
>>16789041It would probably be botched barge landing of F9 too.
The Rocket Lab shills haven't convinced me yet.
>>16789072not to mention the 'reusable' upper stage will return looking like a rusted pirate ship which has been at the bottom of the sea for 400 years.
Is a carbon fiber neutron really going to be reusable over a long number of stress and temperature cycles?
>>16789093>upper stage will return looking like a rusted pirate ship which has been at the bottom of the sea for 400 years.Wrong.
>>16789072It should be big enough to send a crew of 4 to a destination. I cant see any other use case for it, and it will need to fly a lot before people get on. Especially for the landing on a pad with humans, witch would be unprecedented and very cool.>>16789093>>16789098Sorry guys, no windows. they will cover it in a sheet, and unveil it like a statue, or whatever that Chinese shit is that doesn't fall off in sheets until its way high up
>>16789100I dont think 3t is enough for crew of 4 to ISS
>>16788624Then make them 350MW so they work ten times faster duhOr, starlink approach of sending up 3500 not just 35
KSA service module looking sexy
Page 9, I kind of want a new casio. I’m not a bit timex guy
>>16789112I'm surprised they didn't just buy a copy of what the Re-entry guys have made
>>16789112Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxq8ySPFbTI
>>16789097Probably not kek
we're not making it to reentry are we?
>>16789129fwds? the fuck
>>16789129Looks like the edges still have it, and thats where the melting always seems to start.Maybe they're trying to see how little of the crunchwrap supreme they can get away with.
https://x.com/AJamesMcCarthy/status/1968658340679921925
>>16789151Why the fuck would they fly in to the sun? Are they rarted?
>>16785907After flight 11 there will be a huge break until the first V3 Ship and the Pad 2 will be ready. How will we cope?
>>16789159Not true. We will have a lot to look forward to. Watching the development of the first V3 ships and boosters, testing of V3 Raptors, Massey's being rebuilt, Pad B coming to life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pix8cbbl0aU
>>16789159>How will we cope?"At least we don't have to watch V3 shart itself three times in a row yet."
>>16789159if starship flight 11 happens at the start of october, its not really that massive of a break3-5 months (I guess the latter end is kind of big)
>>16789129The forward fins are barely touched during reentry.
>>16789151hot damn, that's a sexy photo. Did they use an H-alpha filter for all the solar detail?
>>16789151> even a being as perfect as the sun has imperfections and black spots
>>16789165Raptor 3 is essentially a new engine, running at higher pressures, higher flow rates, and with thinner walls. Smaller margins all around, purge systems and shielding removed. What could possibly go wrong?Regardless of flight 11 results, I hate to think of all the new failures that will doom flights 12+. One step forward, 2 steps back, the program is suffering from scope creep
>>16789183they dont have a choice. full reuse means eating a fuck ton of dry mass. you saw how low the payload was for v1 and v2? If they don't do all of those changes then v3 will barely put 50 tons into orbit let alone 100like they want.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/09/trumps-golden-dome-will-cost-10-to-100-times-more-than-the-manhattan-project/>Cost projections for all but the narrowest Golden Dome architecture also surpass the total cost of the Apollo Moon program.
https://www.spacex.com/updates#multiuser-spaceport
>>16789183>the program is suffering from scope creepIt's really not. The scope started out outlandishly ambitious and they are still chasing that high. In fact the scope has gotten demonstrabily smaller by a factor of 3. ITS from 2016 was to loft 300T. Now the aspirational target is 100T.Problem is that such a goal is insanely ambitious for a reusable rocket.For comparison, Saturn V and Shuttle had the same liftoff thrust but Shuttle could only lift 24T while saturn could do 140. Starship ahs twice the liftoff thrust of Saturn but is more comparible to Shuttle than to Saturn.
>>16789191https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1968724100030820615
>>16789190If it works and it's possible to build, the cost of becoming immune to MAD seems negligible to getting nuked back into the stone age.
> For Starship and its larger propellant demands, we’re making substantial investments to generate our own propellant by building air separation units and methane liquefaction facilities directly on or adjacent to Starship launch sites. This will ensure that Starship launches do not impact the availability of commodities like propellant for other launch operators. We’re also working to improve core “common” infrastructure, including power generation and transmission, wastewater treatment, and roadways in partnership with NASA, the U.S. Space Force, Space Florida, and the Florida Department of Transportation.
>>16789208>air separation unitswhy not electrolysis and then sell the H2 to other people as a way to recoup costs
https://sxcontent9668.azureedge.us/cms-assets/assets/SX_25_4040_compressed_1_a50d8ebd5a.mp4
>>16789190>think tank
> Proposed clear areas for Starship launch sites in Florida, designed using data from years of research testing the yield of LOX/Methane rockets (note: open in new tab on desktop for higher resolution)
>>16789212One of the big things they studied during the environmental impact proposal was what would happen if a fully loaded Starship explodedThat ~1.5mi radius sounds like they've settled on a max range
>>16789198https://x.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1968726453073203704
>>16789192>not counting the Orbiter's mass
>>16789198>@grok what are they planningWhen are we going to be able to cull these subhumans?
>>16789217If starship counted theorbiter mass they would have probably hit the 100t target already. espeially with the header tank and residual propellant.
