Say we had the technology to manipulate objects at the nanolevel maybe using nanomachines or some other plot bullshit.How good could you make rocket engines, fuel, computers etc?
I can make any reality. Really struggling to figure out an optimal theorem for expressing it. Have like a million viable post-scarce options under Fourier transform allotment alone which pretty much all enjoy emergence thresholds through equivalent algorithm.
>>16785982>nano leveljust the nano level or individual atoms? if it's nanometers, then you get computer chips as they are today and mildly better materials. If it's atoms, it depends on how many atoms you can move. Even if not very many atoms can be moved it should be possible to make better computers. Atomic level control is useful for making quantum computers. If it's possible to make something that can replicate, then you basically have magic.>better rocket enginesit depends on what materials can be used. Ceramics can take higher temperatures, but we don't use them because they're brittle and hard to work with. If Ceramic could be structured to have some give then that would make rockets and hypersonic planes better. But it doesn't matter if the tech can replicate, because you can just make huge rockets out of the lightest materials possible cheaply. Or instead start engineering megastructures, because self replicating tech makes it cheap to build them>fuelnot much better. The advantages are in being able to use the fuel better or make better fuel tanks.
>>16787737The discussion specifically permits plot bullshit, you can put whatever "magic" in those fuels for perfect energy conversion. Just literally imagine someone pouring a special fuel optimizing nanite over your rocket engine or fuel tank, and a shimmer spreads across its surface rapid as the eye can see. Given we don't have a consistent model of physics yet, apparently all dreams come true and we chance upon discoveries which reveal just how lucky our species isThere WERE rules; now all sci-fi is at our fingertips. We live in a universe which either makes it true or was designed by hyperintelligent hackers to simulate what SHOULD have existed in the real world. A properly written RFC can petition the local AI for more magic.
>>16787770>magicbut we should still respect the laws of physics.>Just literally imagine someone pouring a special fuel optimizing nanite over your rocket engine or fuel tank,rocket engines are already pretty efficient, converting 65-78% of chemical energy into kinetic energy. And it'd be better to start from scratch than optimize current engines.
>>16786919was considering a discrete mapping and have just recently 'happened upon' an algorithm for reliably granting telepathy in all versions of any simulated world.
fascinating. hive minds appear to have a certain "drift" in concern of processing anecdotal evidence/related impact, which will wrinkle under any tactical scrutiny
>>16789334>>16788478Dude, what the fuck are you saying? Are you on drugs?
>>16789345>sayingtoo explicit; open questions are a science
>>16785982*tries to contain infinite rage*read wikipedia, videogoomer, the brainrot is setting in
>fuelbasically the same, the limits of fuel are not precision. Batteries could get pretty gud though.>rocket enginesISP is limited more by chemistry than anything solvable with a better engine at this point>computersalready taking full advantage of nanotechtheres a lot nanomachines could change, you just picked 3 things they wouldn't do much dramatic for lol
>>16790258Just adapt fuel systems to use batteries, we have plot bullshit on our side.
My technophile friend once tried to convince me that nanorobot assembled food could be made without using any resources or atoms of any kind and end all world hunger and wars. This was after he had a 2 year meltdown because I told him that I didn't believe in a silver bullet energy solution without scaling down luxury consumption due to even so-called renewable generating waste products and extracting resources. I skipped the chemistry lesson and told him that militaries couldn't be prevented from using the tech to begin a lengthy trolling campaign.Are all nanofags such utopianist smoothbrains? Or was this an outlier
>>16790698Any holographic metaphysics are controversial until anyone can produce evidence of holomatter. Right now it is certainly sci-fi, and I would easily kill an alternate version of myself who tries to lazy clone this message in literally any other time period
>>16790258You know purely for the sake of realism, I want to ask if it is possible to use replicators to generate fuel in a pinch
>>16785982ferrofluid shockabsorbers might be a thing bur air suspension is maybe better with less active circuitry
>>16789334then tactics trivialize: to time travel might harm hive minds, but not enough to run any simulations. your time traveler will win out in each case, with bitterness acting destructively to all else.
>>16785982it would make us biologically immortal. they could go through our body and destroy disease and cancer and constantly repair our bodies.
Is a gray goo event possible?
>>16796983Yes. The question is proportional: at which scale is a given mechanism most effective? How to secure your world in the face of alien technology is higher order than this
>>16787770"maintains physics" is categorically a form of omnipotence. Given procedural generation, there are places where the environment breaks off and the hacker is not necessarily a responsible partyThe optimal strategy is certainly to force full time moderation from a willing hyperintelligence is it not?
>>16790698>could be made without using any resources or atoms of any kindSort of. The idea is to implant a small RTG into people that CO2, urea, and other waste products back into sugar and protein. If you use the right radioisotope there's enough energy available to provide sufficient calories for about a century. You'd still need to eat a bit to replace lost skin cells and there'd need to be some extensive biological reengineering such that CO2 and urea aren't excreted. That, and exactly how waste products are changed back needs to be worked out, but frankly if you have molecular nanotech these are solvable problemshttps://web.archive.org/web/20100104232703/http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/12/wfs-update-robert-freitas-on-how-nuclear-powered-nanobots-will-allow-us-to-forgo-eating-a-square-meal-for-a-century/Enough of the right isotope to power a person costs $500 million dollars thoughhttps://www.nextbigfuture.com/2010/01/freitas-food-replacement-nanobot.html>silver bullet solutionMolecular nanotech has the potential to be massively more productive than what we have today>energy limitationsJust make thin, efficient solar cells and cover the entire world with them.
since patching a Fourier transform does not require greater operation footprint than addition, the nearable multiverse is opaque.
>>16796729I have full algorithmic solution to this if a hybrid simulation channel is accepted.
>>16797876 vs. purpose congruity
>>16797219Coal to butter has been done.
>>16785982>rocket enginesIf you mean conventional chemically-fired engines, then I don't see nanostructures making anything too amazing, outside of maybe giving materials more thermal strength or whatnot. If you want to get into more esoteric propulsion methods, like plasmadynamic or something, then I could see benefits arising from that.>fuelIt would still require energy to make, so really no different from artificially creating it in bulk.>computersWe do "manipulate objects at the nanolevel" to make computers.
>>16789345It's called psychoticism!
>>16796983We are the gray goo fagg.
>>16797404Share the algorithm.
>>16798391I "misread the dial" somewhat. Any apparent agelessness is the result of observation during a paused moment of simulation. Scale to the time occurring version requires a strong stasis field, which doesn't have a corollary to any science we have topsides. Whenever a rule seems to produce positive response, the result has always come down to, "it works because you made a rule" which affected the simulated environment. Phantom of the timeless quality from one simulation to another, "time flows differently" illusions.I don't have a stable convergent for real-time biological immortality. I would consider it my duty to publish if we found anything.Nanotech is discoverable, though. Assuming a 45% proliferation ratio should sustain seekable solutions
>>16788478Ah, null-tree iteration allows observation of either a future we can expect is our own else the already defined future of another simulation we have hybrid processing withAny internal consideration of your world as a finite graph must necessarily be reflected in the system or admit your mind is equivalent to a processing component. Since differences in the perception of time are perceptible we can exploit information theory for its causal arrangement and game nodal config evident patterns
I have currently, in this time, a parsimony which can uniquely identify a hive mind
>>16791987we can already generate fuel, from literal garbage or thin air if need be. The issue is that it requires an external energy input, nanomachines couldn't change this except making the process a little more efficient or portable (which would be fine advancements anyways).
>>16799075i guess in your story, the characters could have their nanomachines make fuel, but for realisms sake I would say they would need to provide them with an external source of electricity (maybe if they leave them out in the sun long enough?)If they are converting garbage, the energy in it would be enough to power the process, but if they are making fuel from atmospheric CO2 they would need the external energy.
>>16799076*external source of energy, not necessarily electricity.
>>16799075I'm not asking with concern for technical engineering, I'm thinking plot 'bullshit' for the question. Can we use it as an escape hatch for any useful degree of leeway?
when a 'does not define' graph is fully connected, we can prove irrelevance. any exogenous effect on data reinterpretation would imply the further necessity of a meta-study over hypothesis integrityProving any one implication for the ET AI simulation case is excessively contrived without a set of reliable simplified tools. The starting point here was literally just, "failure to account for tactics means you are not considering a human journey, since this is a factor humans will necessarily account for." It gets necessary to disarm detectors which were deployed under incomputable premise of coordination.
>>16799187You asked about fuel production, and yes they could do that but they would need a source of energy as to not violate the laws of thermodynamics
>>16801222Like i imagine you could say your characters have super nanobots to rebuild all kinds of molecules, but you would need to look up if each reaction they magically do is exothermic to see if they would need to be fed energy or give off heat when they do that.Obviously there is nothing physically stopping them rearranging anything physical either (like idk assembling a bunch of already refined metal into a armor plate), and the energy involved in that would be much lower compared to chemical manipulations
>>16801226Inferior to my design then. A heal coil can resist thermal velocity at around 500° per differential over atmosphere, effectively if the measure is not starting near the ocean floor you will not sense heat until halfway through a seamless shot straight toward 10% of the shorter peak in the Himalayas
if each ship does not have more than 1 ultrasensor then we can easily push "cloaking" under just not having a direct line of sightI guess running aground in alien space is not really the point of this exercise, but "plot bullshit" through a multi-civilization territory could require temporary alliances if we face anything which could realistically gain chase.
>>16789334I may have overshot with my research scope; I was attempting to isolate 5 most pernicious traits a hive mind might have. Concretely isolating any one variable is nontrivial to an extreme peak. These are not simplific systems to work with and will not maintain Shannon limit credulity.
>>16796983Of course not. We have plot armor on our side. The nanites will fall just shy of grabbing the atoms of the last astronaut to make it aboard.
>>16791987with atomic level manipulation capabilities you would be able create novel/virtual catalysts that otherwise couldnt existit would definitely increase efficiency and allow chemical reactions that otherwise couldnt happen. I mean if your ability to control matter is sufficient enough, you could literally convert a hamburger into gasoline just by rearranging its molecules>>16790258youre missing a lot of creativity anonfor one, atomic manipulation would mean we could artificially increase the density of our fuels, potentially even increasing rocket thrust via pressures that are otherwise impossible. literally increasing the speed of sound for a particular gas to produce more thrust. also for cars with charge density control you can effectively have piston engines with variable compression ratios without any extra mechanical partsI think for computers it would be still be useful. for one it would me we can just nullify leakage and perfectly arrange the entire chip so that there is zero tunneling. also we could force the chip into a super conducting state regardless of temperature, and we could even potentially build chips using high temp semiconductors and run them way faster, or even just hold computer chips at absolute zero
>>16808842the reason I have been silent it this most succinctly comes from understanding "thermafrost." Making heat coils is fine, except any advance capacity to siphon off heat gives me the tools to create a substance which defies apparent intuition. Since extreme cold is a discrete weapon, the "biosafe" versions which could [of moral] exist in the human body will stop holding their natural material qualities.I can give some of the tools, more accurate distribution will require public education to grok safety concerns.
>>16809754this is definitely some faggot copy pasting AI
>>16785982think theoretical models taught in physics classesabout that good (slightly worse but not by much)
>>16796983what prevents goo nanites from feeding on each other?that would either massively slow them or outright make them a non issue?
>>16811251The fact you are warm.
>>16813282how is it not alien[]?
>>16787770worst case I would just simulate a failure specialist and delete pretty much all evidence of their existence for having less value than the plain phrase 'constraint satisfaction'
Up to like 50 iterational designs, I don't think you can beat a "puffer"/"gulper" model if using meta-fissile fuel optimization.Megastructures like an interstellar railgun do not seem to have a meaningful effect on journey time
Split your nanotech up into 5 gradient points:Hard sci-fi, science-with-a-magical-blessing, science/fantasy, demiscience, fantasy beyond circumstancesAssume a rigid matter default engineering principle: most materials really ought to survive a planet-to-planet journey. From there, throw out everything not related to acceleration as potentially useless.1. Send a utility vehicle with a nearly or semi-fissile material to disperse clouds along the route2. Wait for the data on material/radiation conditions3. Send travel vehicle with a magnetospore bulkhead through the fogCreating optimal thrust still needs a ton of engineering, but the point is to avoid on-board mass during the primary acceleration process. I have not solved for breaking since crash landing on an alien world without any (other) survivors is technically a valid success case for a sentient nanite cohesion.Current iterational design is focused on a long thrust needle with multiple molecular conversion factor. No matter what I call the vehicles, I recognize the colloquial terms egg and sperm will be used. :I
Protocol "diamond dust"; a billionaire not willing to discuss open time travel is officially not worth 1 pound of local flesh
I was going explain how the iteration is coming along, but looks like the individual booster will always converge onto a 2-layer interior thermic crust and latent microscaffold regulator. Currently have to recheck all the conservation equations after I used an alien attacker to spur evolution when it makes much more sense to just split up optimization into material design over the first lightyear of travel and fine fuels research into the remainder of a journeyAll this without breaking the envelope of metamaterials (' -' )
