>>16792899
is academia just about sucking old men dick and stroking their ego constantly? can i migrate to application fields like government and research offices full time or will i be stuck in consulting hell for them?

>>16792899
What's the worst aspect of your academic job?

For me it's the location. I don't live in yet another city with 85% male demographics in the dateable age bracket.
I can tolerate the long hours, shit pay and even the terrible office politics, but what's even the point of slaving away at this shit job if I cannot even feel like I'm building myself a future?

>>16792979
>What's the worst aspect of your academic job?
Dealing with admin and it's not even close.

>>16792979
>What's the worst aspect of your academic job?
for me is never being sure if your career is in the right direction. i feel like the market determines where funding goes more than it should (duh) so you never know if becoming the sole expert on that one thing will ever become profitable. I don't think any of the people who worked with text generation since the 80s thought they'd become millionares nowadays with the hype around chatbots.

>>16792987
Shovels not gold, is my strategy.
That's why I shy away from research and would rather do the engineering.
At the end of the day, research is mostly a lot of work throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. It works for your PI, if they have a big enough and talented enough team, with enough funding. But you will just be one of those rolls of the dice, so the chances that you will get lucky are slim.

More bad news from the UK.
>The shadow economy behind the international student boom
https://archive.is/TRFFE
>For Melath, who now campaigns against the exploitation of international students, the problem is some unregulated agencies that sell foreign students a rose-tinted version of life in the UK. Agents say, “You will easily find a job. When you work 20 hours you will get this much money. This much you can save. This much you can pay for rent,” he adds. “But when they arrive here, everything is entirely different.”
>Universities in the UK and elsewhere have come to rely on international students like Melath, who pay around three times as much as their domestic counterparts to study the same courses.

How long before the entire thing implodes?

>>16792979
>academic job
Like at a university? Just date the students.

Unless you mean you're at a lab somewhere like Los Alamos but then it's your fault because that place is obvious suicide fuel.

>>16793692
>Unless you mean you're at a lab somewhere like Los Alamos but then it's your fault because that place is obvious suicide fuel.

Something like that, but not in the US. Are US national labs also bad bad bad?

>>16792899
>scg is dead
Is this a recession indicator?

>be me, be student
>always something to do. work like an animal
>be me, be corporate slave
>never anything to do. literally do nothing all day
Why is life like this?

I'm a professional student.

>>16792899
should I just kil myself?

>>16794373
>>never anything to do. literally do nothing all day
going back to academia after being in the corporate world was like this, i got used to not doing anything and I'm in shock on the shit you have to do to be a minimally decent student

>>16792899
>Information resource:
>>https://sciencecareergeneral.neocities.org/
>>*The Chad author is seeking additional input to diversify the content into containing all STEM fields. Said author regularly views these /scg/ threads.
This has now 100,306 views, not bad for an underground document that is almost 5 years old. I had no idea it would be that widely read when I started out back then. Also, a lot of credits go to all the contributors.

t.FAQ editor.

>>16792899
How concerned should an EE prospect be right now? Im just taking calc and general physics/chemistry at a community college right now but my plan is for electrical engineering.

>>16794988
I can't see any reason for EE graduates to be concerned. The AI apocalypse is not likely to impact EE in any meaningful way.

>>16792979
Financial and employment instability. Nobody wants to be on fixed-term contracts and poverty pay in their 30s.
Special mention for the goblins who handle grant finances. If you commit to granting me 500k to work on a specific project, let me spend 500k working on that project without having to prostrate myself and beg for permission each time I need a screw or nitrile glove.
I must be stupid to put up with this when industry will pay me three times as much and give me a permanent contract.

My cs teacher doesn't know the full form of GPU :/

Is it over ? I have decided to ropemaxx if I won't be able to immigrate.

>T. Energy engineering

Many /sci/ graduates end up on finance and consulting. So we have some bad news:
>Accenture to ‘exit’ staff that cannot be retrained for age of AI
https://archive.is/GMB11
>Accenture has reduced its global workforce by more than 11,000 in the past three months and warned staff that more would be asked to leave if they cannot be retrained for the age of artificial intelligence.
Sounds like stealth firings
>The IT consulting group on Thursday detailed an $865mn restructuring programme and an outlook for the year ahead that reflects continuing sluggish corporate demand for consulting projects and a clampdown on spending within the US federal government.
Definitely stealth firings. Avoid at all cost.

>>16794988
I was gonna ask this, is power a safe bet for a NEET?

>>16794988
my tarot and tea leaves say that shit for new EE grads is gonna get real bad, real soon. every retard who was going into CS 2 years ago has switched over to EE/compE so there's probably gonna be a glut of grads within the next 1 to 3 years.
even now, i'm struggling to get interviews as a graduating EE with multiple internships, project experience, and a maxed out GPA
>>16796667
power should be more fine than everything else since nobody wants to do it and it's pretty ubiquitous, as well as maybe analog/RF (too hard to get into, usually needs a masters). avoid computers, embedded, semiconductors, etc, basically anything that can be done by a "computer engineer".

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>BS in chem eng, MS in comp sci
>wanted to pivot to software dev or some shit
>market is obviously bad, very bad for people with little or zero experience
>could go back to old career, easily go back to making $160+ again but the hopes of ever having hybrid or wfh is zero
>and would need to move to the other side of town which sucks
Sucks, bros. I was very good at my old job (advanced process control) but I wanted to do tech shit. Unfortunately my skills generally mean you MUST be on-site at a refinery/chemical plant. Unless I can find some optimization / oil logistics engineering position in an office somewhere but my skills are not directly transferable to that but the coding background helps...
idk what a good timeline is to give up on tech. I've only been applying for a month. Give it until December until I throw in the towel and just go back to oil and gas shenanigans? fuck.

>>16796751
Im really interested in conductivity, materials and electrochemistry. Is there any other field for such interests than semis?

>>16792899
25 years old here with ChemEng degree who landed a job as a lab assistant at a food processing factory.
I'm bored to tears and I've been thinking of either switching to MechEng next or pursuing my childhood dream to get into Aerospace. Any advice?

>>16796881
I don't blame you. It seems like anything chem or biology related is job market poison. You do realize a rando without a degree could be doing what you're doing now? The degree was just a formality. I have a BS in biochemistry and find myself in a similar situation. Planning to go into sales for that cash money

Dreams are a funny thing. They are nice to have, but rarely work out the way you hoped. Going back to school kind of seems like a bad idea unless you have some wealthy parents that could pay your way

>>16792924
why couldn't you migrate to a research job as a researcher? well in principle, anyway. of course the market is extremely competitive but that's true for any field nowadays.
>>16792979
>dateable age bracket
who cares unironically? unvirgins out.

>>16796117
>having to prostrate myself and beg for permission each time I need a screw or nitrile glove.
be glad you can still buy these things. at my institute management has successfully managed to institute a culture of deliberately stalling small purchases forever because they know the researchers will just pay out of pocket if it's too much of a hassle.

I've spent about $4000 on one of my projects this year just buying tools and supplies.

>>16796401
stay wherever the fuck you are, saar

>>16796896
>Going back to school kind of seems like a bad idea unless you have some wealthy parents
Pay is one of the only good things about my job and colleges are tuition-free here, so there's that.
You are right about dreams being hit-or-miss. I guess I could go for MechEng as it has a very broad scope, and I have ideas for some cool projects that could benefit from it.

Need some recommendation. I’m leaving the military soon and want to know the best route of study as I’ll have my undergraduate and graduate paid for with living expenses covered. I was thinking electric engineering but open to ideas. My experience is relevant in that maybe it can land me internships since I’m a medical equipment repair tech. So what kind of STEM fag should I become?

>>16796751
>power should be more fine than everything else since nobody wants to do it and it's pretty ubiquitous,
That's what I've heard but I still have my doubts. First I haven't heard a compelling reason for AI being unable to do power, secondly I don't understand why power work couldn't be outsourced to China or India as power isn't really considered a trade secret and thirdly even if power is ubiquitous will it really drive up the demand for power engineers? How much work is there to be done when you can apply existing designs?

And that is assuming the electrification won't make power the next sexy field

>>16797082
What was your job in the military?

>>16796667
Power is a safe bet. Get your FE and PE, you'll be set for life. Now are you going to be raking in 200k+ in 10 years? Unless you're willing to work in Oil/Gas, you're not going to. However you will always have reliable steady jobs especially due to how little EEs go into it. Another added bonus is you can find work anywhere in the United States as well and work in different industries, (Defense, Food and Bev, Oil and Gas, Utilities, etc) and those skills are transferable and applicable between the different industries.

>t. Power Engineer

>>16797125
>ai
in regards to EE, ai is a meme and will have basically no effect on the EE job market, especially power jobs, for at least another decade or two.
outsourcing is definitely an issue, but >>16797777 is right in that the PE license requirement locks out a lot of H1B dregs and new grads who are unwilling to take the FE exam. if you want job security, power is probably the best since it's basically impossible to be unemployed once you have your PE.
>And that is assuming the electrification won't make power the next sexy field
lmao yeah right. power is definitely the least sexy field in EE and it's gonna stay that way

>>16797838
Laugh all you want but I swear soon you'll get bootcamps which will teach you everything about phases and buck converters

>>16797901
>I swear soon you'll get bootcamps which will teach you everything about phases and buck converters
Yeah, they're called "trade schools". There were trade schools offering electronics training programs since the days of vacuum tubes, and they only kind of took a setback to coding bootcamps due the post-2008 COODING boom. My first boss actually went to one of those and coincidentally got his diploma in 2007, just before the 2008 economic recession.

>>16796761
>ChemE
>Oil and gas as a backup plan
Fuck, what kind of friends do you have to fall back into true blue process engineering without having to fight for it?
>>16797082
Employers don't give the smallest fuck about military experience, even if it's relevant. They basically look at it, at best, as an internship or bullshit make work job, unless you're interviewing with another veteran. I say this as a former CBRN who is now a chemist with almost a decade of work experience after getting a degree. Even upselling that experience to civilians as an EHS head, they still will assume (accurately?) you spent your time in the army jerking off in humvees and getting drunk.
>So what kind of STEM fag should I become?
Look at different STEM careers, or even gray collar type work around you. Actually research a few job postings and the types of work those do. Rank the listings in terms of most interesting to least. Then take college classes closer to the ones you like. Don't worry about getting the "exact" right degree; in the workplace you'll be expected to learn on the job anyway.
The one exception is medical technician work; things like sonography, or nuclear med, or viral medical lab work will require specific certifications, and at hospitals, those certs are the only thing they care about.

The FAQ strongly recommends doing a postdoc in a national lab in Japan, is this still the case? I wouldn't want to emigrate there but a postdoc could be a fun experience

>>16798091
It's a solid option. Their universities are a shitshow and have no funding. The national labs are a much better place and give you more freedom and flexibility + higher salary, so they're a good place if you want to live out your weeb dreams. One downside would be that the national labs are often in suboptimal locations.

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>>16798050
>Yeah, they're called "trade schools". There were trade schools offering electronics training programs
Interesting. You can probably tell from my posts that I'm not actually from the US so what kinda training are you actually talking about? It's secondary education so it runs parallel to high schools but converter designs require knowledge about integrals, derivation and then you move to differential equations so you need to learn calculus etc etc

Like how does that even work when your students are 16 or retraining after a different trade? Like yeah, you can do rote learning for pic rel but it's not like you can apply it to a more complex design

>>16798173
Sounds good. How can I find postdoc opportunities over there?

>>16798173
>>16798091
how do you even get into such a position? do you have to speak japanese? can you do it from the EU or is it an americans-only thing?

>>16798216
>>16798223
uh
why would it be different than getting a postdoc anywhere else
you apply for one of the openings or just get in touch with a group you want to join

>>16798227
I meant is there a website where opportunities are posted or something

>>16798227
>you apply for one of the openings or just get in touch with a group you want to join
so basically if you don't know the bossman there's no way to get in?

>>16797082
>My experience is relevant in that maybe
Your military experience means jack shit in engineering, so pick whatever you want in the classical 4, (Civil, Mech, Elec, Chem) and you'll be fine.

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>>16798082
It helps that my job skills are very specialized and most people in the world who do it are dogshit at it, even "experienced" people. I've worked at 80% of Marathon's refineries and the process control division guys know me pretty well...at least it's not all doom and gloom. I just wanted to transition to tech. THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES

is there any hope of a real prospect in STEM as someone who isnt very smart. Like severe ADHD + relatively low IQ we're discussing here.

>>16798909
You could be a technician of some kind. It's usually quite repetitive but waaaaaaay less mentally taxing than being a scientist. Requires a bachelor's degree but very rarely a masters and never a PhD. You can rise up the ranks to be the head technician of your department and earn good money that way.

>>16798933
My primary concern is that such a thing might get really boring which is why I am trying to get out of my current job (electrician). I love studying science and math but Im just not very good at them. I think being a lab tech would just bore me in a different way most likely. Thanks anyway.

>>16798236
the website of the national lab you want to apply to
or jrecin.jst.go.jp

>>16798248
it's just like any other postdoc, 50% of jobs are by networking but it's not like you can't get one otherwise. plenty of people just apply and are successful.

What happened to the data science job market?

I have a BSc in physics and always got told that I could always work as a data scientist. Now that's a fucking lie? What do I do now?

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>>16789900
the professor who barely passed me finna died
how do I get a job with 60% marks?

>>16799021
>data science
millions of jeets getting master's in CS took those jobs.

>>16799056
So what the fuck am I supposed to do now?

>>16799021
That was true in like 2018 my friend

I guess you could just work in...physics?

>>16799101
>That was true in like 2018 my friend
so what happened since then? and why did no one tell me anything changed?

Like what kinda jobs?

why do I have to study retarded neuron shit and activation functions for Deep Learning? Won't Python do all the work?

>>16799104
>so what happened since then?
500 million people applied for those jobs

>>16799146
And why didn't they in 2018

And why did no one tell me they don't want physics grads no more? I started my degree in 2021 and everyone told me a physics grad could work in data science right up until graduation

>>16799156
The CS market used to be so hot that that there was competition for suitable candidates. Employers hiring for things like data science were willing/forced to accept people with less-relevant backgrounds like physics who had the brains but not the skills and to train them up. The competition for candidates also meant salaries skyrocketed.

Since this was where the jobs and money were, a lot of people flooded into the job market, be it students or immigrants. And there is substantial incentive to use shit like AI to reduce entry level hires, however well that works in practice. Free market did what free market does and the supply/demand shifted. Not like anything's become impossible, just that the job market is different.

If you started your degree four years ago with the intention of pivoting to data science and didn't at least get internships or something to get your foot in the door in between then and now that's also on you.

>>16799021
Data science, like "big data", was a hype. And hypes don't last. Just look at reports from Gartner Group for gunk that is hyper to high heavens but will implode soon.

You are a Physicist, that still leaves you plenty of opportunities though getting a Master's degree, preferably a PhD is always recommended. Management consulting will still be recruiting, though there is a downturn just now. Avoid the second tier like Accenture, they are having a meltdown just now.

>>16798909
you can absolutely get a PhD in a STEM field even as a retard, just not from a tier 1 university

the European Horizon rat race is full of STEM PhDs with 100-115 IQ, all the smartfags are off in the US doing actual science

>>16798909
The bar for intelligence is not super high but it's there. In general the more experimental and applied you get, the less brainpower is needed. Much of lab-heavy research is pretty mundane and the people aren't particularly bright.

>>16799537
>not from a tier 1 university
>all the smartfags are off in the US doing actual science
Done STEM research at tier 1 universities in US and Europe. Can confirm you can be pretty dumb and pull both off. And I still think a random German autismo from Uni of Dickencocken is likely to be much better at what they do than a young snake oil salesman at MIT.

engineering and stem in general has too many underachieving male applicants trying to get a hecking high paying job tbqh. unironically enjoy female students more atp because the cultural filter stops dummies from polluting programs trying to force themselves through

>>16799801
It's bimodal. The ones who legit hold their own tend to be very smart, sure.
But there are also some who basically just persisted and because of reasons and feminist politics, they are carried higher and higher despite being wholly incompetent.
Eventually, after a worthless PhD and maybe even a worthless PostDoc or worthless internship, they will land a cushy administrative job with a high salary (due to the credentials they don't deserve to have). Male underachievers don't get that treatment, they get the boot the moment they don't make the cut.

OTOH, I did meet some genuine female geniuses.

And please don't get me wrong.
I actually think STEM is an effeminate field who should rightfully be populated with more women than it currently is.
Because research is an effeminate pursuit more suited for female psychological traits, namely conscientiousness and neatness.

>>16799537
>European Horizon rat race is full of STEM PhDs with 100-115 IQ, all the smartfags are off in the US doing actual science

STEM is a midwit field anyway. Smart people go into business or politics.

>>16800083
you can only "get into" business or politics when you have money and connections. unless you're born into the elite you need to get those first, and the single most prominent pathway to upward social mobility in industrial society is STEM. But not doing some worthless PhD, either excelling so hard you actually make a name in a top tier uni or the far more common corporate path

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>>16792899

>mfw it's another day of having to report bad results to my supervisor
>mfw my supervisor will get mad at me, even though I'm literally just doing the experiments he instructed me to do, word by word
>mfw he doesn't even allow me to do my own experiments and explore my own ideas despite it being my "Ph.D"
>mfw every time an experiment goes wrong he accuses me of sabotaging his own ideas, so I have to waste months carefully crafting huge reports to showcase exactly where everything goes wrong with his experiments, step by step
>mfw I'm too invested to drop out because I have nothing to show for my 3 years of PhD, so nobody would hire me
>mfw I cannot even change supervisors or even complain because despite the supervisor having basically no academic pedigree to speak of, he is chummy with all the directors I would have to seek help from

ah, the joys of a PhD at a ELITE German university

people keep throwing offers at me but I don't really know if any of them are any good

>>16792924
>is academia just about sucking old men dick and stroking their ego constantly?
Yes, it is quite literally adult or in some cases geriatric daycare. Your job as a researcher is managing their mood swings and stupid ideas.

>>16799537
>all the smartfags are off in the US doing actual science
actual science is a retard field, with most people there having an inflated sense of self-importance
if you were smart you'd have a cushy job in industry already

after how long does my phd stop being a millstone around my neck? I wish i stopped after msc like everybody else.

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>>16796761
>tfw hiring guy at a company contacted me directly about a job that is part chem eng and part cs
>pays $150-$200k
I was not expecting this. I was hoping for 100% tech but this might be perfect.

Are academia and the government really as bad as everyone says it is? Because I absolutely hated the corporate job I had before grad school.

>>16801227
Govt. is the best you can get anywhere.
Keep your mouth shut on useless matters and do your work properly and you're set for life. It might not be the most well-paid or glamurous thing, but it's stable and permanent.

>>16800364
It's even worse working with Americans.

>>16801498
>it's stable and permanent
you're doing a lot of generalization

I work for a publicly funded research institute and while it's relatively easy to get a contract, up to 95% of us are on temp contracts with only a privileged few on permanent contracts.
If times get tough it will simply become harder to renew the contract. That's how they do layoffs.

>>16801503
Well, don't get a research job then. Those are all shit for precisely this reason.

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To anyone who's ever done it,
>Is it worth doing a minor in an unrelated field during your phd
Right now I'm in Japan doing a PhD in Energy Engineering (Master's was Mechanical) and I'm considering doing a minor in Mathematical Finance so I don't completely lock myself into academia later on (I'm 25). Does it take a lot of time out of your research/coursework, and would it be a good idea in the first place?
t. only got up to Calc 3 and have no econ experience

>>16801624
>mathematical finance
1. It's a tough subject. Depending on the curriculum it will require functional analysis, measure theory, PDE theory and numerical analysis. It's way too much fucking work with those pre-reqs. You basically need to do an MSc in applied mathematical analysis just to get those pre-reqs.

2. It's not actually employable. The kind of places that hire people who might need mathematical finance are places were you are going to be competing with IMO finalists.

So to answer your question, sure do a minor, but mathematical finance wouldn't be a good choice.

>>16801500
Difference is, American institutes and universities have better connections, so you suffer, but then you graduate into a better compensated industry position.

The problem with Germany and other EU countries is that the amount of PhDs is far larger than the amount of industry positions of the same calibre.

>>16801709
That isn't really true, depending on the field. The issue is often that you don't quite kjow what jobs there even are.

>>16801712
>The issue is often that you don't quite kjow what jobs there even are.
It's true in my field. Anyway, yes, the biggest issues I faced was being constantly lied to about career prospects.

>>16801715
You should go to conferences and talk to industry people.

>>16801664
Points taken, do you have any suggestions for anything that'd be more, splashable, as far as math/engineering adjacent areas go?

>America’s Elite Universities Have Lost Their Way
https://archive.is/HcCY4
>If you doubt that America’s elite universities have lost their way, consider that, as part of a settlement with the Trump administration, Harvard is considering building trade schools. Whatever Harvard’s comparative advantage is — and it has many! — it is not in vocational education.
>US colleges and universities attract the world’s best students and academics, and produce research that powers the global economy. But the share of Americans who have a lot of trust in higher education has declined 15 percentage points over the last decade, to 42% — and trust in the Ivy League stands at just 15%. President Donald Trump is going after America’s elite universities for a reason: Institutions that should be a source of national pride have become divisive (if not detested) because they have lost sight of their mission and why they are worthy of taxpayer support.

I went from a postdoc to an industry job. It's been a clusterfuck. That could be forgiven but it feels stagnant already after a year.

In academia there was a network you're sort of forced to put yourself out there to interface with. And you're always looking for the next step in your career, because you have to. Here, I don't talk to anyone even within the workplace half the days. There's no conferences and no outside interaction except with suppliers or something. I report to the CTO so there isn't really room to progress. Hard to see what comes next, or what even is out there.

I don't see myself going back to academia. My pay is shit. Do I wait another year or just bail now? And I know it's a bad idea to leave before another job is lined up but just how bad is it? I live like a rat and have enough savings to survive for years if needed.

>>16802185
The reason I want to quit even before finding a new job is that I haven't had any holiday for a year and won't have any for another year. I had some personal circumstances to deal with that have taken me to the edge and just feel burned out especially when work is on fire all the time. Feels like I can't really catch my breath or figure out where I'm even trying to go.

>>16799801
i dont really see the issue with underachievers trying to sincerely apply themselves tbqh

>>16800462
well obviously most of the smart people get $300k starting right out of undergrad but I'm talking about people with STEM PhDs.

>>16800440
>tee hee I'm so desirable
I will skin you alive and wear your face
>>16800364
not your supervisor but it's sometimes really frustrating when your subordinate keeps failing for months on end, only for you to end up doing the whole thing yourself in 2 weeks

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I'm having fun programming machines (and toying around with network magic) in Factorio and I thought computer chips were cool back when I was a kid. I want to make six figures of income without losing my soul, and I don't like risk.

What career path or field of study should I pursue?

>>16800571
Once you want a higher paying job.

>>16802716
>you to end up doing the whole thing yourself in 2 weeks
He tried it. He failed miserably and what's even sadder is that, he was so distraught that he made such a clown of himself in front of me, that he wouldn't accept his failure so he kept trying and failing to fix his approach, somehow unable to understand the fatal flaw in it. It was sad to witness. I just shut up and let him be and never brought it up again.

The only reason I am working with such a fuck up in the first place is because I was too shy to ask for good recommendation letters and because COVID fucked up my whole pre-PhD prep.

>>16802746
Niche topics are always higher risk because often even if a topic is super niche, there might still be more university graduates than actual job positions, and what's more, those kind of jobs almost always hire only seniors. So you somehow have to figure out how to become a senior before landing the job. That often means spending years in academia.

For example, despite all the AI hype, Computer Engineering majors aren't doing very well.

>>16802760
I'm glad to have "dodged" another bullet, but I'd like to stop being a NEET someday, and I want to do cool things with hardware stacks and signals/chips.
Is there a foreigner-proof career field for this?

>>16802768
Dude, anything close to metal is full of Chinese.
I don't know why, but that's how it is.
I think part of it is maybe precisely because it's hard to break into the industry in the US, and even more so in Europe.

>>16802770
Does that include radio stuff? I had that penned in as my backup.

>>16802772
Anything MIC is a safe bet if you want foreigner proof. And they do close to metal stuff. And anything communications related, radar, simulations/computations, ...lots of shit.

If you're American or French or German or British that's a viable option.

>>16802774
I would like to be able to face God with a clear conscience.

>>16802775
Sigh, I thought that might be the case.
Well, in that case there's basically no foreigner-proof fields of the sort you are looking for.

However, you shouldn't be too worried about competing with foreigners. As long as the company is western owned, they prefer their own kind for the most part.
Companies like NVIDIA and such aren't hiring dummies just because they are Chinese or Indians on a VISA. The only PC-hires at NVIDIA are the women (that has been my experience at least).

>>16802780
Well, taking what you know about me into account, what would you recommend?

>>16802786
Go for network engineering and aim for a position at a data center.

>>16802790
Thanks. I got a glimpse of that and it looks like exactly the sort of thing I'd be into.
Anything I should know before jumping into it?

>>16802801
There's lots of ways you can make this work, but personally I'd aim to become an expert on HPC networking. You need the degree or maybe certs also exist, idk.
Then I'd start at an NVIDIA Elite Partner and become really good at their proprietary products.
Then it's relatively easy to get hired by NVIDIA directly.

I'm more on the computation side, but data/networking is just as lucrative and far easier to get into.

>>16802812
Thanks. I'll dive into that.

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>>16801664
how does one in IE and Econ sound?

>>16802862
>>16801844

Why are you worried about career prospects if you're doing an Energy Systems PhD? I think that's already a good field to be in and if I wanted to improve my chances even further the way I'd do that is to hedge my chances with both academic and industry positions i.e. focus on building your network. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Try to collaborate with multiple groups and maybe even industry so you can reach out to multiple groups/companies for a position afterwards.

Optics and AMO physics is good if I want to make death machines, right?

the biotech industry genuinely makes me want to kill myself. im such a retard for wasting my life on a phd

>>16802746
the age when you could get a well paying job simply because you aren't deeply revolted by programming as a moment-to-moment activity is long gone

The TYLENOL AUTISM (TYLENAUTISM) claimed link is only PLAUSIBLE if Tylenol contained high amounts of mercury metal or other heavy metals like aluminum.

Tylenol will DESTROY & KILL your liver though.

How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Damage - Uni. of Calgary
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8

Shorter neurons, faster signalling, but also higher rates of signal noises from damaged mylin sheaths (think of cracked insulation on house wiring).

Bonus for autistics to high functioning Asperger's types... Faster neural firing makes faster thinking, near instant recall of information the autistic person likes, and speedier reflexes.

Downside, less depth in thinking. Faster thoughts may be less accurate thoughts. Constant boredom and impatient behaviors.

>>16802973
ASML and ZEISS both hire such types in Europe.

>>16802974
at least you're not doing AI+biotech, lol
my PhD feels like a fraud

>>16803146
>AI+biotech
certainly sounds like a boondoggle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veFlfYjRo1Y
you dont hate recruiters enough

I don't know what industry is worth to work with in the long run as a computer Engineer graduate. I am thinking of going to Embedded Systems related, Cybersecurity (Which most of my batchmates mostly got into) or Data Science.

My goal is to aiming to go with Embedded Systems but I am not confident to their requirements yet and seeing the IBM job requirements makes it even worse.

>IBM is hiring entry level hardware Intern
>One job requirement is willing tot ake Masteral Degree
>Still no knowledge other than Adruinos

>>16803555

>IBM
Avoid them. Shit company

With regards to Embedded it seems like the comfiest option because lots of smaller and medium sized companies hire embedded devs for all sorts of things, so you aren't tied to a few locations and a few companies.

>>16803715
Understood. Hopefully I will get there.... I might be doing sidelines so I could study though

>>16803555
>>16803715
>IBM
lmao fuck those faggots. Only hire jeets + they send you an OA without any interest in actually interviewing you even if you ace it.

>>16804080
>Only hire jeets
does anyone have a good explanation of why every single company in every single country does this? the old "you can pay them less" just doesn't cut it because there are plenty of locals who will do anything for a job at this point

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>>16804157
they (both jeets themselves and the countless jeet companies that are dedicated to helping jeets commit visa fraud) lie about their qualifications more than anyone else, while also being willing to take lower pay than anyone else. c-suite retards then eat that shit up and replace their entire workforce with indians. it's a whole system, with millions of people and billions of dollars dedicated to it.
once jeets get into a company's management, they're only willing to hire other jeets and will systematically force out native workers.

>>16792899
>no QIS programs in my state
I guess I'll sit around in physics then...

I went into doing my Master's in Energy Materials.

I just now realized that fuel cells are a dud and both batteries and PV modules are all being made in China. I have fucked up. Is there anything left I can pivot to?

>>16804157
Jeets only hire jeets, since there are plenty of jeets in leadership, they won't hire non-jeets

>>16804615
How great are your grades? Can you get recommendations/references from your professors? You can go in academia. Depending on willingness to move and your qualification I might actually be able to recommend place to apply for a PhD programm.

Why are companies so picky about with CAD software you have experience with despite them being similar? Got rejected for a position I was otherwise perfect for just because I have exp with NX instead of solidworks

Being ignored in the lab group chat that I created. On the verge of a historical crashout, this is worse than having my reading group hijacked. Why is it my lot to suffer in life?

>>16805744
Just kick everyone and then delete the chat.

>>16805753
Honestly I am tempted but frankly I think I just need to rise above. Any one else subjected to the psycho-spiritual torment I have been during the PhD would do that and be justified, but it's just not my way, the way of the higher man.

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I managed to somehow get a job at what could be considered a dream company - startup size/culture but has been around for a while and is successful, wants to solve interesting problems in its field, big opportunity for learning and growth w.r.t. the field, uses its profits for good

but I just feel empty
the field relates to finance and I don't really care about money from that point of view at all, and I feel like it requires creative juice which I'd rather save up for something I'm passionate about
I'm 24 and feel a strong craving to pack up and get the fuck out of my country, go work at a farm, live in the woods or some shit like that somewhere way else, do work where I see real results in front of me in real life, work that feels rewarding

the thought of now having to work at least a year (case where I leave after 1 year) or longer at the company while living in this city, doing the classics of wake up -> go to work sit at computer, pretend I care about the topic -> go home/grocery shopping/gym -> repeat just fills me with immense dread
am I just being chronically avoidant? all the things I find enjoyable lose their joy when ever I get into a position of having to do them. Maybe that's why I'm thinking I'd prefer manual jobs, idk...

what do? all the prospects feel shit, if I leave right now, where do I go, how do I find whatever the fuck I want to be doing with my life?

>>16806714
Leverage your experience friendo. If you can’t get a work from home job that pays enough to have a small solo/family cottage or self sustainment farm then get some more experience until you can afford it. Working manual labor for your self while maintaining a sustainable life style is what I’d imagine heaven to be like. Working manual labor for someone else making peanuts is hell. Working from home you’re still working for someone else but at least you can afford to live in the country and provide for a whole family. Our curse here on earth as men is that we must work, the more bearable that work becomes the closer to heaven we get, bearable work is earned through skills gained through life. If you don’t give up you’ll get exactly what you deserve.

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Lmfao janitors cleaned up the thumbnail on the general how pathetic, clean this up while you're at it you pathetic jannie. Feel free to call an adult so I get a slap on the wrist you fucking loser.

>>16806761
Thank you for the advice anon, I think you are very right. I just don't know if or how long I can do this - people say to just try for 1 year, get experience, etc., but 1 year is such an insanely long amount of time. I have been "just trying" for years already, finally finished my bachelor's in cs, and yet throughout all this effort, everything only seems to be getting worse and worse, my mental is only deteriorating, the outlook seems ever more bleak. I have only been at this company for a week, yet I'm already dreading going back to the city where I rent a small apartment room with a friend, to go back to work tomorrow. This company is very small, they took me on for my enthusiasm, on the premise that they think they can train me to do well what they do. I can't just go in and despondently do my duties, I have to be enthusiastic and proactive. I hate the smell of the new desks they got into the offices, that I have to smell for the whole of each day. I don't know, maybe I'm just in a bad mood, maybe the enthusiasm will come back.

I never would have imagined, 3 years ago, when I still was full of hope and joy, that things would just continue spiraling, to eventually end like this. Where is my place in this world??

>>16806769
Sounds like you need a hobby. I'd recommend wood working or something like this. Unless you have some burning obvious passion career you want to pursue there's nothing wrong with doing a merely adequate job that pays the bills and fills up your pension while having other interests on the side. If you are right that you lose interest in things when you have to do them for a job imagine how you'd feel waking up at 6 to go to the job site on a cold day...

>>16806772
I have hobbies, I enjoy lots of things. But having the general backdrop situation of my life be so bleak-feeling, I find it very hard to engage with said hobbies. Plus I think the job itself requires creative juice - to spend 8 hours trying to be curious about a topic and learning about it, leaves very little energy left to spend on hobbies.

>imagine how you'd feel waking up at 6 to go to the job site on a cold day...
I don't know about 6, but in general working outside in the cold I think I would enjoy. I think you are right in that I would not do well in most manual labor jobs though. But I suppose having a job that gets me moving and does not require me to engage with code and related systems for 8 hours would be great; the kind of effort required for the former is much different and I think would leave me fresh to do something creative afterwards. Hmm. I think I just got an idea, or maybe came to some kind of realization?

>>16806786
What are you gonna do?

>>16806793
there's an art-related thing I've been thinking of that I think I could realistically use to make enough money to live off of where I am right now
but then I don't know if I actually wanna do that for money
I really don't know man, about anything
thank you for having taken the time to respond to me, I really appreciate it

>>16806714
Anon, I feel your pain.
I’m also 24. I also worked a soulless finance-related position after I graduated. I saved up and quit to travel the country working on farms. It was rewarding and interesting for a while, and led me to some amazing life-altering experiences. But in the end it became just as lonely and hollow and repetitive as my former life. Now I just feel adrift. I think intimate relationships and a strong sense of community are more essential to happiness than the type of work we do. Or maybe not. Maybe humans are just unhappy by design. Anyways, for me at least, the fantasy of the simple farm life was just that, a fantasy. But it could turn out differently for you. Good luck anon.

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>Live in Florida
>graduate physics
>no jobs
>5 months
>still no jobs
>decide to be a cnc tradie
>hired after 2 months of searching
>pay is $15/h which when accounting for inflation is lower than my mcdonalds job 4 years ago
>first day at job, everyone is an illegal immigrant
>no one speaks english except for the boss
just when i thought i couldnt be more radicalized

>>16802775
You could also consider the space industry if you're hardworking, they tend to hire US nationals only (rockets are sensitive tech) but do pretty beneficial stuff from a societal standpoint (commercial rockets obviously, communication satellites, etc.). If you're pretty smart you can go into some underpopulated side of EE like RF and get a good job at a cool space company. It's a really quickly growing field (compare to 20 years ago when basically only the MIC was doing half-assed space work), and there's a pretty decent selection of company cultures from "sit on your ass and collect govt contract gibs" to "do fast paced startup shit".

I would avoid networking unless you're really cracked (in which case just do whatever kind of engineering you want) or wanna work an underpaid netsec desk job for the next decade. Granted, space positions are not very easy to get into but they're leagues less competitive than tech, and if you go to a good university and network a little bit you should be set.

>>16802757
> good recommendation letters
On that topic, how are you supposed to get good rec letters and who from? I'm currently a few years out from grad apps but would like to build relationships with profs or whoever so I'm not in this position. I know everyone else on this board is also a social recluse so I'm wondering how you guys managed to do it.

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do you recommend a career in research? i can't say i wasn't influenced by half life

>>16807577
No. Do not do research, research is a mistake. The only thing worse than research with a stem degree is becoming a highschool teacher.
The era of dicking around in a lab with more money than sense is long gone.

>Noble Prize week
I cannot wait to see what nonsense they award this year for Physics and Chemistry.
Last year with the AI figureheads and DeepMind was a compete joke.
I guess it really shows how politicized science is.

>>16807383
Physics BSc? That's not enough to get a job, friendo.
You need more training. Have you tried graduate trainee programs that some big corps have?

>>16807457
Find either a TA position, or even better a research assistant position. Also just be really friendly with your other favorite professors.

>>16807589
maybe i could get a higher wage career and then use some of the money i make to finance my own research

>>16807668
why? research is not fun. discovering shit is fun, but most research is boring drudgery

>>16807640
>graduate trainee programs that some big corps have?
? explain

>>16808021
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/graduate-trainee-jobs?position=1&pageNum=0

>>16808283
>>16807380
And I forgot to ask, what do you do now?

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>>16807380
Hello anon, thank you for this response, I appreciate it, and it very much resonates with me.
>I think intimate relationships and a strong sense of community are more essential to happiness than the type of work we do.
I think this is extremely true. The times I have been happiest in my life have always been due to having an abundance of company of people I loved spending time with. I think in a way my yearning for running away to a farm/wilderness life is just a cope for the general situation of my life.
But it is also true that nature is beautiful, and at least in the hypothetical situation where I'd have to choose between feeling isolated and lonely in a big noisy city, and in a shack in the woods, I think I would very much still prefer the latter. At least the trees swaying in the wind, the spring birdsong and the warmth of the sun can hold me in its arms and be there with and console me when everything else seems to be failing to do so.

I think I'm going to try for a fully remote job, I think that could work out fine.
What do you do now?

>>16808285
>>16808294

I’m still traveling at the moment, and I have the money to continue for much longer if I wanted to because my methods are cheap, but I’m pretty much out of steam. I think I’m gonna move back in with my parents for a bit, go to therapy, join a gym, try to find some clubs based on my interests, and maybe become an apprentice in a skilled trade or something.

I agree with you that nature is beautiful and tranquil and that the ugliness and noise of the city have a demoralizing effect. But in my case I was trying to use nature to fill a void that I now believe can be filled only by deep relationships and meaningful work. I never found contentment, not in the rainforest or in the desert, or in the mountains, or on the beach, or in the taiga by frozen lakes. Every time it was the same novelty and excitement fading into alienation once it became clear that I couldn’t really relate to the people around me. And at that point the beautiful views made no difference.

That being said, it could be totally different for you. If you’re already lonely in the city then I don’t think you’d be worse off in nature. It just might be more difficult if you decide you want to reach out to look for friends and community. A remote job would be a great deal too. That’s what I had, but I believed I hated the desk and wanted to do tangible work with my hands. I still think that’s true, but I also believe loneliness is the core problem. I could be wrong though. Who really knows?

Do you guys have time for fun outside of work

how competitive is it getting into a stem phd with a stipend in 2025, without any publications
am I screwed i didnt take my chances in 2022

>>16808412
>be me
>no publications
>no research experience
>average grades
>walk up to lecturer
>shake hand
>express desire to do phd
>few weeks later email arrive
>lecturer found funding
>do phd
Truly blessed to not be American

>>16808551
You got lucky. This is how you get trapped into a PhD nightmare.

>>16808412
Depending on the field and how low your standards for PhD are, yes.

>>16792899
I got a EE Bsc and got tired of EE so whilst working in the field I got a job and started a MsC in applied mathematics. I have spent a good amount of time learning things like real analyis, measure theory, lin alg etc. I am hoping to apply for an applied math PhD in a year. Any suggestions on some interesting fields to focus on? I was thinking about learning stochastic calclus but I am not sure if there are enough oportunities in the field or if it's oversaturated etc.

>>16807380
>>16808402

Bit older than you guys, I'm 31. Worked in academia and then industry. Was miserable as a student, thought it would be better if I did "real research" and got paid. Was miserable as a researcher, thought it would be better if I had a job tackling "real problems" and stability. Am still miserable now, the problems are uninteresting and stability seems to mean no progression.

Lived abroad for a decade, hated not having a safety net or sense of belonging. Moved back home, hate how everything here I've already seen. Had a long-term girlfriend, got bored of the old couple dynamic. Had a short-term lover, hated how performative and emotional it was.

Therapy is expensive and useless, meds don't do anything. Hobbies help in giving less time for thoughts but that's about it. Having friends would be worth trying but it's too late for that.

Not really sure where to go from here. Career is dead and relationships fucked. Currently contemplating quitting my job and becoming a full time alcoholic for however long my bank account lasts. No dependents and I feel like I've lived long enough.

>>16807668
That's the dream. But then you have to worry about having enough time.

>>16807668
It's a sentiment I hear with surprising regularity. That type of researcher simply does not exist anymore. The era of one rich guy in his basement doing anything meaningful is gone. Universities won't hire you because you will be a research non-entity. They'll take your money and appoint a professor in your name, sure, just not you.

Research is a shit career path and you're better off elsewhere. But thinking that you can pivot back later with your own money is cope, plain and simple.

Just quit my bachelors
i give up on life

>>16807668
unless you've got millions to burn you ain't doing jack shit.

>>16808938
>That type of researcher simply does not exist anymore
mostly because all the low hanging fruit have been picked. if you'd ever managed your own project you'd have an appreciation of how much money you need to burn to get anything done, and that's assuming the upfront investment in infrastructure is covered.

>>16809001
I don't fully agree. Most research done is not terribly inspired, and random schizos on youtube can get stuff done with $1k and a week's worth of elbow grease that a grad student would not get done over a year with $100k of equipment. In that sense, I really don't think it's an issue of the fundamental science being too complex or inherently expensive. Of course you have the CERNs and such, but most university labs are not all that.

I think the current research system simply does not favor a one-man type of approach, at any level from journals to universities. You will never match the output of someone who sticks their name on papers made by a team of 30 minimum wage underlings and 20 collaborators, or have the networks and recognition to get the grants and the appointments.

I am very aware of how expensive it is to get things done by a team in academia or industry. But that is kind of the point. The universities don't want you to pay for yourself, they want you to pay for 10 other people working for you and teach 200 paying kids. The only way to be an academic long-term is to scrounge up money to keep the lights on and farm clout to keep yourself relevant and connected. And that basically means you become a soulless management lizard person.

>>16809001
>>16809046
Also, while the problems have become more complex, there have been huge changes in the availability of information and tools/resources.

>>16809046
>random schizos on youtube can get stuff done with $1k and a week's worth of elbow grease that a grad student would not get done over a year with $100k of equipment
What are you thinking of? I could see some physics experiments related to mechanics or fluids maybe (chaos, etc) and probably some engineering. As I understand a lot of molecular biology and chemistry will cost more than 1k in just tools and raw materials.

>>16809046
>random schizos on youtube can get stuff done with $1k and a week's worth of elbow grease
that's not research
>grad student would not get done over a year with $100k of equipment
a grad student spends months of elbow grease and thousands of his own money in addition to the 6-7 figures in equipment, to get results.

again, you have no clue how much time, effort and money it costs to get meaningful results.

>>16809061
information that is freely available is not information that is newly discovered you absolute fucking mouth breather.

pushing the boundaries in any field becomes exponentially more expensive as it matures, and there are no fields in the hard sciences where you can make meaningful contributions without investing an absolute fuckload.

>>16808769
I understand how you feel anon. Sometimes I think that the boredom and loneliness are concrete problems that could be solved if only we could find that one friend or meet that one girl or get that one job. Other times I think this is literally just the feeling of being alive, that it never gets better no matter what you have or what you achieve, and that people cope with it by distracting themselves constantly.

If my effort to start a life back home doesn’t work, I’ll probably start thinking about checking out as well. From what I can see it’s surprisingly easy to get all the materials you need for a very fast and painless exit.

Advice for getting out of Sweden ASAP?

Why believe in stem job while all governor and law maker and big corp treat you like shit and won't pay you ? They just want stable rule not your luxury salary and laugh you like shit while the top is just button presser and literally 4chan replier

>>16809556
Do a 360 and walk away

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>>16808402
Cool response, thank you, I appreciate the viewpoint of someone who's gone through this before and went further than just fantasizing about running away. Your plan sounds alright I suppose, is there maybe some form of expression that you'd like to do too? I personally think doing just these "basics" can potentially make everything feel still quite formulaic and unfulfilling, though of course sadly it's not all that easy to find le ultimate passion.

Your second paragraph reminded me of this video I had watched a few weeks ago, from a write that moved into a shack in the middle of nowhere on the top of a mountain and had an extremely similar experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DE-y64m4_o

>it could be totally different for you
I don't know, probably not. I find myself needing community and humans just as much. Am in Europe, so perhaps I could move reasonably "away" from a city while still remaining within commuting distance so as to be able to visit for socialization and events every once in a while.

>>16808769
I'm sorry to hear the situation you've now found yourself in anon, though everything else that you say resonates deeply with me.
As >>16809176 says, I suppose some of this might just be life - it's all a constant movement, constant change, can't have something just be the same and all great forever, but maybe that's where the point lies, we just have to keep coping and finding ways out and perhaps one day it all clicks. I think it can click, just takes a lot of effort to get there sometimes. It was like that all throughout my childhood and then suddenly it unclicked and now I'm finding myself wandering through life lost and confused, but I don't lose faith that if it used to work out before, it can again. Just need to go through whatever else first to get there.
I hope both of you anons can find the same hope too. Maybe turning to faith could be an option, too? Fwiw, I've found great solace in some forms/parts of meditation and prayer.

>>16795188
Power EE will be safe. The biggest issue is not AI but rather the massive power grid upgrades that are coming in the next years. Shovels, not gold.

>>16802812
Not that anon, but how does one get in on the computation side? I have a bachelors in CS and currently work in big tech on some unrelated stuff. However, I did dabble a bit in high performance computing during my degree. Would you have any advice on how to make a jump?

>>16802185
>it's a bad idea to leave before another job is lined up but just how bad is it?
>just how bad is it?
Chat is this real?

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>Self-pity general

>>16811369
I outsource my bitching to an anonymous online mongolian cattle trading outpost so I can hold it together irl well enough to shut up

I'm a biologist, how am I supposed to just start a business?

>>16811640
evolve one

>>16809556
What is your field/interest?
For startups you must avoid Norway, the Exit tax is a killer.

Should I do an online masters in physics or applied AI? Or both (might be tough with a full time job)?

>>16811985
Mathematics. Currently working as an engineer in stealth tech at Saab.

>>16809556
advice for getting into Sweden ASAP?

it boggles my mind how you westoids in your cozy tutorial mode countries still want to leave.

>>16811128
PhD in developing the exact shit they will be working in on 4-10 years at a prestigious university.

>>16812326
NTA but the Nordics are very safe and easy to live an OK life in. Great if you e.g. have a family or are working a "normal" job.

However it's exceedingly hard to be anything but mediocre. Wages and taxes are one part of it, but they are also kind of insular in many ways and internal opportunities are limited.

A single man with advanced credentials (i.e. typical /scg/ frogposter) is the paypig. If the only thing in your life is going to be work might as well get paid for it accordingly. Not like anyone wants to migrate to actual third world hellscapes.

>>16812423
>f the only thing in your life is going to be work might as well get paid for it accordingly.
and you are paid very accordingly compared to me here in eastern europe. if it's so bad why is it impossible to get into your country, or any other westoid country, unless you're already a westoid or a jeet?

>>16812452
Most of eastern yurop can already get to sweden no questions asked by virtue of being in the EU.

Are you in like moldova or something

>>16812475
>get to sweden
yeah I can hop into the boat and go there, as a tourist. but getting a job is impossible.

>>16812478
You have the right to work anywhere in the EU as a EU national. All you need to do is get a job, it quite literally could not be more accessible to live in another country like that. As opposed to e.g. the US and most other parts of the world where you have to get a visa (and have an employer pay for it).

If nobody wants to hire you that's a separate discussion but it's not like there's any red tape barring you entry, just the opposite.

I'm a chemistry major with a minor in data analytics and have one year of experience as a working student in the metallography lab of an automotive company. I have two options where to go next:

Option 1: Working student for a small specialized university spin-off/semi-public commercial laboratory in microscopy, testing, materials science and engineering which also makes software for automatic microscopy and image recognition/machine learning solutions.

Option 2: Working student in manufacturing data engineering in commercial chemical precursor manufacturing for a big brand in semiconductor/optoelectronics space.

I want to move on from lab runt work and transition to more data-adjacent tasks that are still connected to materials science. Option 1 is more research-y but while the laboratory has great regional industry connections it doesn't have a well-known brand so it would just be an intermediate step if anything while Option 2 only deals with processes on not fundamental materials themselves it offers great brand recognition and constitutes relevant industry experience.

Which option would you pick?

any other EE undergrads graduating this year? i'm getting zero interviews so im wondering if my resume is all fucked up for some reason or if no one feels like hiring anyone right now

>>16812726
When is the last time you you opened a newspaper? You otherwise didn't notice the ongoing economical crisis?

>>16812726
It is pretty bad out there.

>>16812452
Do not under estimate the nepotism in the nordics. People here tend to have a massive in-group bias and are very local, even as a Norwegian or Swede moving from one part of the country into another will devastate your social life.

>>16792979
How can your city be so fucked demography

>>16812481
>All you need to do is get a job
hahahah yes of course. retard, that's the whole point. the only way to move is to get a job and you can't get a job unless you come from a specific background.

>>16812737
>>16812744
there is no economic crisis the economy is booming
(imports fell drastically over the last quarter leading to GDP growth figures getting inflated)

>>16812769
yes, it's impossible to move to your country unless you're a somali or jeet. yet you want out.

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>>16812800
Shut the fuck up retard phone poster. The entire Western world is currently in a recession and has been since covid. Nominal GDP growth has been completely driven by the AI bubble that is soon going to burst.

>>16812801
I want out because there are no jobs for highly specialized professionals with phds.

Im doing EE right now but id rather do CS. Only reason I chose the former was because people say CS is a meme.
Any advice?
Don’t really care what degree I get at this point I can also switch to IT or something completely unrelated to computers.
I’m smart, but I’m also very miserable.
Next semester of EE I’ll have Calc 3, physics 2 + lab, linear algebra, circuits 1 + lab. Its a lot of work for one semester.
I took the current semester off so I have time to figure things out but this is it I have to make a choice.

New 3b1b video just dropped and I'm crying over the life I wasted. Mechanical engineering was my life and soul and if I had put even an ounce of effort and studied even a month before finals I would've passed. 28 and NEET without a degree and my parents disappointed in me
Fuck I'm gonna puke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0wJBEZdwLs

>>16812850
Go back to school now you have time

>>16812860
>>16812850
As a guy who likes understanding stuff more than rote memorizing stuff. That video would likely have saved my control systems exams a year ago(!)
https://warosu.org/sci/thread/16331078
A friend of mine bought a porsche. Another's married and expecting a kid
What the fuck have I done?
I'm pretty sure my university does re exams every couple years or so, I'll go and talk to them tomorrow
At the moment I'm doing Harvard's CS50, I wonder if I can land a job in tech in the mean while, tech's not my passion as much as cars are but as long as it gets me out of NEETdom and doomscrolling 4chan and youtube all day...

>>16812801
I don't want out, most people who want out are immigrants from Western Europe and a few nordic misfits who failed to assimilate properly into the mediocrity cult here. I prefer it here over the continental grind, it's not hard to be above average here and get enough resources to form your little bubble of interacting research. That said I would kill myself in nordic industry, that's genuinely soul sucking.

>>16812867
Found another one
https://warosu.org/sci/thread/15729927#p15732741

>>16792899
how to get out of manufacturing hell

>>16812845
why would you rather do CS? if it's cause it's "easier" or whatever, you want it for the wrong reason
going EE -> CS is a lot easier than the other way around. there's a lot more software related stuff if you decide to focus on embedded firmware, HDLs (debatable if this is programming but i dont care), DSP, controls, etc.
it sounds like your in starting your second year of undergrad so in all likelihood, you wont be able to take any interesting electives until your 3rd or 4th year, but you can (and absolutely should) get some experience right now with whatever interests you by joining a club that does relevant engineering projects, helping out with relevant undergrad research, or just buying a development board off of digikey and doing your own shit.
you cannot get hired anywhere nowadays without internship and project experience, and most internships will only take you if you also have demonstrable project experience. dont be retarded and coast through undergrad doing the bare minimum, you gotta go out of your way to get actual experience doing EE things. take it as an opportunity to go find what you enjoy doing
you can also switch over to CS if you really want to, since you're only a sophomore, but there's a massive glut of inexperienced recent CS grads that will probably plague the entire field for the next several years. then again, it sounds like EE is gonna get hit with the same thing by the time you graduate, since all the people who were doing CS have switched over to EE, so you're kinda fucked either way lmao

>>16812845
>Im doing EE right now but id rather do CS
That's retarded. Any ABET accredited EE degree will involve principles of software/computer engineering and so you won't be starting from scratch going into industry. Stop being a bitch and get the degree, you'll do better than a CS jeet.

>>16813150
>>16813112
Yea I'm leaning toward staying EE now but I'm going to accept a lower gpa. Probably around 3.5 instead of 4.
I guess this is what life is about in the end. Gotta work hard on something.

>>16812868
>That said I would kill myself in nordic industry, that's genuinely soul sucking
Yeah, that is me.

>>16813164
same here bestie

>>16813163
>but I'm going to accept a lower gpa. Probably around 3.5 instead of 4.
Employers don't give a shit unless you're trying to be in a top 10 company, even then they care more about experience and a project track record. Especially defense contractors, they don't even give a fuck about the degree.

>>16812803
>Shut the fuck up retard phone poster.
I could say the same considering you entirely missed the point of my post
[math]\text{GDP} = \text{exports} + \text{investment} + \text{govt} + \text{consumption} - \text{imports}[/math]

>>16813112
>going EE -> CS is a lot easier than the other way around. there's a lot more software related stuff if you decide to focus on embedded firmware, HDLs (debatable if this is programming but i dont care), DSP, controls, etc.
nta but it doesn't even matter what you focus on in undergrad, going from engineering to CS is just cheating

t. did MSc in CS after ME, graduated top of my class by a big margin

>>16812666
>no response

Ok, I'll flip a coin.

Please help.

BA in math with CS minor. Been teaching HS for 4 years since graduation; it’s fine and actually surprisingly fun but the pay is dogshit.

Since Data “Science”/Software “Engineering” are cooked, I’m thinking of getting a degree in EE or ME.

In order to do this, would I need a second bachelor’s, or should I get a masters? I have already determined I am qualified to get into several master’s programs at good schools because they accept math majors.

The way I see it, employers would think a MS in EE with BA in Math is a little funny looking/fugazi. Like why not just hire the guy with both the MS and BS in EE. Also getting the second BS would qualify me to get my PE in four years rather than 8 with a MS & math undergrad, due to a bizarre fluke in my states licensing requirements.

On the other hand, if I do a whole second BS (with a bunch of jerks at my shitty state school who are the age of the high school seniors I’m currently teaching), I may get to the end and not even get an Eng job. So then I just wasted time and money on a second undergrad. At least if i did a masters I’d have a masters.

To throw a wrench in this, my dad runs an engineering firm so I have a nepo opportunity. However, and this is the kicker, it is MEP which is apparently boring as fuck.

Please advise …

>>16815558
Get a second master, maths -> something more applied is common and nobody will care.

Wrong thread, but I figure this is the only general where people know chemistry.

I got some ammonium bisulphate by cooking ammonium sulfate from the garden store. I want sulfuric acid, I was thinking I could cook it further in the presence of a blast of air to burn off the ammonia before it can recombine with the sulfur trioxide, but I feel like that would decompose the sulfur trioxide too.

Any better ideas, or could this work? I have an electrolysis machine, but that feels like admitting defeat.

>>16815822
You can't just buy sulphuric acid?

>>16815558
>surprisingly fun
how's the JK pussy?

>>16815822
>I want sulfuric acid
https://www.ebay.com/shop/concentrated-sulfuric-acid?_nkw=concentrated+sulfuric+acid

>>16815558
>my dad runs an engineering firm so I have a nepo opportunity
congrats, you're set for life. go get a masters in engineering, take the FE, get your PE in 8 years, enjoy inheriting the family business whenever your dad inevitably retires.
idk if you can actually get a masters in ME/EE with a math bsc. it'd probably vary a lot based on the masters program you get into and i wouldn't be surprised if you need a fuck ton of undergrad level coursework to qualify. also make sure it's actually ABET accredited

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Completely bombed a grant deadline and let down all my co-PIs. I have mild dyslexia but more importantly I'm really disorganized. I read the submission deadline as Oct 15th instead of Oct 13th. One mistake, and I had Oct 15th deadline on my calendar all summer. I've been working on this proposal for a month and we spent at least 6-8 hours on Zoom, yesterday we were finalizing things and arguing about final polish/phrasing, margins, citations, etc. Everyone felt optimistic about our proposal. I feel like quitting and disappear into the ground, become a farmer and start a new life.

I can't get a PhD so should I get a checkbox MBA instead?

>>16799391
What if you can't get a PhD because it's so hard to get in?

>>16799537
No you can't.
I'm european and I've been applying for phds for more than a year and only got 2 interviews.
I asked the professors how many applied and they said they got 150 applications. It's impossible these days.

>>16816786
Apply on the next go around. Most applications have two to three open calls per year

>>16816864
Are you in AI?

>>16816861
>>16816864
>be random retard with no job or connections
>apply to top labs in top unis
>wonder why you can't get in
those people all have top students from their own unis already lined up and a bajillion 160IQ chinks and jeets applying

most people don't do their PhDs at top unis. hence the
>just not from a tier 1 university
caveat.

I would personally never have done a PhD if it was up to me, I just happened to graduate into covid and the only place that would give me a job was a national research institute in an irrelevant eastern euro cunt. After doing my master's thesis there I got an RA job with a salary bump but was pressured into enrolling as a PhD student at a local uni to help with EU project applications and statistics.

This is how you can get a PhD as a retard. And this is how the vast majority of PhDs are made, I know tons of people from all over Europe with stories like mine. The actual geniuses who can go to some top uni, get in and get the degree are few, far between and all go to make 7 figures in America.

>>16816986
>in an irrelevant eastern euro cunt.
I need to specify here that I'm a native of said eurocunt, it wasn't some international application process I just found a place that was offering to supervise master's theses at a real lab.

>>16816402
>>16816191
i could but i kinda just like to make stuff. I saw some in a pot today after boiling to dry out ammonium/(possibly sodium?) bisulphate but it reacted with something before i could get it out, so I think I am getting really close.

>>16816987
>>16816986
also bears mentioning that I'm in a field that has lots of money floating around. most PhDs will end up being in whatever field has money, because it costs money to hire PhD students and fund their work. consider that for you to get your PhD the typical way your institution must cough up mid to high 6 figures at the very least, in terms of pay, equipment, infrastructure etc

if you wanna do some hobby shit that industry and governments don't care about, the competition will naturally be far more brutal. supply and demand.

I have to work with another PhD student for a bit and the guy never stops fucking working, he's always messaging me to do work together in the evenings or weekends. What the fuck is wrong with people? We don't even have much to do

>>16817028
he's gonna make it and you ain't. there's always more shit to do and never enough time to do it all.

t. have worked 7 days a week including during mandatory vacations with only some sick days since late 2021

>>16817070
autism?

>>16816986
>>be random retard with no job or connections
I had a job and connections. I have 2 years of work experience in the industry.
One professor literally rejected me because he said he asked another professor how I acted in class 7 years ago and that professor said I was introverted.

>>16817028
You don't have to reply to him in the evenings and weekends.

>>16792899
>every employer wants a 2:2
>I'm stuck with a third
Is it possible to renounce a degree so I can try again?

>>16817202
>I have 2 years of work experience in the industry.
ok cool but do you currently have a job? is it related to what you wanna do? do you have shit to show for it?
>and connections
so you already know a guy who can give you a job right? why the problems then?

90% of the time people who become PhD students already work or have already worked at the lab at an earlier stage in their academic career (doing BSc or MSc theses), or have worked at the lab of a guy who knows people in the new lab.

>>16817183
no, I don't have a life outside work and neither should you. I certainly don't care about real-life related excuses from newfags at my lab. Do the work or get fucked.

>>16817258
>so you already know a guy who can give you a job right?
Yeah but he doesn't have funding right now so he can't give me a PhD. But he's so famous that people think I can get a PhD from him any time therefore they don't give me anything because they think I don't deserve it.

>ok cool but do you currently have a job?
No I got fired so now I'm ready for a low wage PhD because there's nothing to resign from.

>90% of the time people who become PhD students already work or have already worked at the lab at an earlier stage in their academic career (doing BSc or MSc theses),
Yes but I did my master and bachelor thesis there so they know me but I was offered a PhD twice already and I refused because I didn't want to resign from my job. Now nobody wants to give it to me. Never betray anyone, always take the PhD if you're given one.

>>16817307
>Yeah but he doesn't have funding right now so he can't give me a PhD
if you really want to do a PhD and you know this guy personally why not ask for some contacts? jesus christ are we in kindergarten? learn some basic bitch business skills, being a scientist is basically a freelance entrepreneur career path, you convince people to give you money they don't just freely offer it

>>16817407
His contacts don't have a PhD

>>16817423
I think you're hiding or misrepresenting something about your situation. I know several people all over Europe who have open PhD positions right now, and I'm just some retard from an irrelevant eastern eurocunt who just recently started managing some projects of his own. If your former boss is a professor, senior researcher, lab chief or something like that he likely knows dozens of people who could offer PhD positions.

All right bros, tomorrow I will take the FE Exam for Electrical. Time to leave humanity behind!

>>16816886
No, it is a yearly call, have to wait till next year. I sent an email saying I'm sorry and have not checked my work email or show up to work ever since

>>16817875
Good luck. Also good luck once you get your PE and have to sign off on retards handing you AI schematics.

>>16817070
More like he's going to constantly overwork himself and get more and more responsibilities from our supervisor that distract from his actual PhD work while I comfortably get all my work done at a reasonable pace

Materials science major here. Didn't get a cool and shiny student job in semiconductors or aerospace :(, just one single offer in dental implantology. Should I take it? Is this a dead end?

>>16818204
Pivot or die, shrimple as. Can't feed yourself with your ego.

>>16816864
Which country and what field? In sincerely hope it is not mathematics.

>>16817962
You jest, but someone did that once at and I called him on his bullshit. Frickin indians.

Done with the test today. It wasn't too bad. I had to guess about 7 questions throughout the exam. I blazed through the first part and I had roughly a bit over half the time available for the exam for the second half, but other than that I wasn't too bad. I already got the material for the PE exam so that is next year goal.

>>16818350
it's either a dead field, anon being an overly picky retard, or both

if you're in any reasonably practical STEM field you just get a research job during your BSc/MSc* and then do your PhD at that lab

*for ameriburgers, most eurocunts only let you enroll in a PhD program after you've done an MSc

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Is there any future as a tech (technically a "specialist" classified as a physicist by HR which is kind based) in a very successful physics group? Is it where physics undergrad degrees go to die? At least these guys pay really well, market considering, with great benefits; also said it's not out of the question for me to get my masters with them (in some engineering capacity).