I feel like this is one of those topics that has so much confusion and misinformation attached to it that it's imperative to actually speak in laymen terms what "Race is a social construct" really means.For starters, there are no such things as human "races" from the standpoint of biological taxonomy. The boundaries of what we would instinctively consider "races" overlap so dramatically that trying to pigeonhole any such group into a "race" would be scientifically unintelligible.That being said, this doesn't mean that physiological differences between population groups aren't existent. To give an example, it's not simply Western-centric brainwashing to notice that people native to Nigeria on average have darker skin than people native to Finland. The fact is, people native to Nigeria actually do have darker skin on average compared to people native to Finland. And this can be explained easily through evolutionary biology -- Homo Sapiens who evolved in Nigeria received more UV radiation on average than the Homo Sapiens who evolved in Finland due to the tilt of the Earth which focused more direct sunlight on those who lived nearer to the equator. Which has led to more selection pressure for Nigerians on average to evolve more melanin in their skin compared to their Finnish counterparts, since melanin protects against UV radiation.To conclude, both these statements can be true simultaneously:1.) Race is a social construct2.) There are physiological differences between population groups due to geneticsI feel like when a lot of people hear the phrase "Race is a social construct" they think to themselves, "I can obviously see a physical difference between a black person and a white person. So why are you pissing on my head and telling me it's raining?" Obviously physiological differences between humans exist, it's just that "race" from a taxonomic standpoint doesn't.Hopefully this ends some confusion.
>>16794540ΠΑΣ ΜΗ ΕΛΛΗΝ ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΣ
That may be what you mean by it but many people say race doesn’t exist at all.Your blending together argument is like saying “there are 10 year olds whose biological age is 15 and vice verse. There’s so much overlap that age is a social construct.” Yeah but is there any doubt about the average traits of different age groups? Imagine going around saying age is a social construct. It wouldn’t be taken seriously.Your own post is almost an admission that “race is a social construct” is at best a meaningless phrase and more realistically, a term of propaganda.The standard American racial categories give you biological information. If I say “a black guy walked by” you know something that translates to biological information.
> There are physiological differences between population groups due to geneticsThis is what most people are referring to when they use the term "race"> Race is a social constructI find this to be a fairly empty statement. Either "race" is being used to describe obvservable physiological differences, in which case the statement is just wrong. Or, it's being used to describe cultural differences, in which case it's like saying "cultural differences are cultural".Also, most people I encounter who say it are trying to make some profound argument about something or other, but if it's just semantics, then there's nothing profound or even useful about the statement. Leave the word "race" out of it, and we have "observable physiological differences exist between population who have been geographically isolated from each other for long periods of time", and "cultural differences are caused by social effects". I feel like when people say "race is a social construct", most of the time they're trying to conflate the two notions to support whatever argument they're making.
>>16794540You don't actually mean anything, leftroon. You're just regurgitating some rhetorical patterns, exactly like your political adversaries. It's completely obvious that "humanity" actually consists of a whole bunch of diverging lineages, not just 4-5 races. And they all have different physical, behavioral and intellectual characteristics. It's this basic truth that makes you seethe, regardless of how finely and accurately people are classified. The very practice of classifying people to analyze innate differences is what leftroons want to ban.Personally, I don't think it matters that race is not scientific. It's a perfectly usable concept in other contexts. It's just that gullible """right wingers""" got jewed into the idea that the colloquial understanding of reality is somehow invalid and you need "scientific" justifications for applying basic pattern recognition and defeasible reasoning. The dynamic here is that normie retards can't into "nuance" and kikes know this, so they program their left-wing golems into selectively delegitimizing any popular concept that can be used to rally people for causes they dislike. Meanwhile right-wing retards respond by trying to elevate their simplistic notions into "science". It's double incompetence: right-wing retards totally fell for embracing the left's terms, but now left-wing midwits are losing on their own home turf.
I love how people (liberal scum) deconstruct the world to the point where they believe things aren’t anything.
>>16794552>I feel like when people say "race is a social construct", most of the time they're trying to conflate the two notions to support whatever argument they're making.They say it because they’re terrified of being ostracized, and deep down they’re struggling with the mental gymnastics.
>>16794540>Obviously physiological differences between humans exist, it's just that "race" from a taxonomic standpoint doesn't.Taxonomy is a social construct
>>16794566>>16794540Partial list of social constructs invoked in this discussion:-Scientific institutions-Scientific authority-Scientific credibility-Scientific knowledge-Science as the supreme judge of what's real-Science as a valuable pursuit
>>16794540>wants a race fight>defines ancestryNgmi
>>16794540lol op no offense but you sound like just another coping leftist
>>16794540it means everyone has the exact same genetic makeup and any differences are due to jews altering our perceptions
>>16794716Leftists -always- need to overcomplicate things. Always. Otherwise they're not satisfied with reality and they will scream at anyone and anything.
Listen. He’s black. I’m Asian. He can run. I can’t run. I can do math. He can’t do math. It’s that simple.
>>16794540It's obviously not a social construct if we can scientifically with very high accuracy determine someone's race. Sure for a lot of things black and white is not a proper genetic qualifier but that does not make it a construct. Is colour a social construct due to the fact that we arbitrarily decide okay this is yellow and this is green despite colour itself being on a spectrum?
Fuck off.
>>16795110>Is color a social constructFixed your shit spelling. Bracketing e.g. yellow or green as a unit of color is one of many imperial constructs that are far more useful in daily life than their metric counterparts: "Please pass me that 580 nanometer reflective pad of paper."
>>16794540The variation between the groups mistakenly called races is more than the difference between these groups. This invalidates the race category -- unless of course you are a poltard who only wants to hate people with a skin color different than yours.
>>16798215>The variation between the groups mistakenly called races is more than the difference between these groupsI like how leftroons still repeat this nonsensical argument in the Current Year of Our Lord despite it being so remarkably wrong the (((man))) who popularized it now has a fallacy named after him.
>>16798215But it's still the same human genome only with variable phenotypes.
>>16794540Behaviors and tendencies express themselves in consistent patterns over wide swaths of populations with certain skin colors. I appreciate your cope though, shitskin.
>>16798224>brown reading comprehension
>>16798225>Thinks essentialism is a substitute for empericism.
>>16798228>Thinks blacks are a different species.Ngmi.
>>16798229>>16798230>incoherent jewish bazinga repliesObvious bot.
>>16798231>JoozI accept your concession.
>>16798229>prove to me race isn’t a social construct>NO NOT LIKE THAT!!!
>>16798233If we theoretically edited your genes to give you dark skin you wouldn't start inhaling watermelon and chicken fingers.Meds.
>>16798232I reject your zionism.
>>16798234May we see the evidence for your claim?
Americoons should be uniformly banned from the internet until they take active political measures against the (((leftroon))) spam problem.
>>16798235So because Einstein is Jooish you don't believe in general relativity?>>16798237Let's start with a definition to help you out,>the practice of regarding something (such as a presumed human trait) as having innate existence or universal validity rather than as being a social, ideological, or intellectual constructhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/essentialism
>>16798241>zionist goes into full psychosis and starts rambling about muh einstein
>>16798242>He doesn't understand Lorentz transformations let alone special relativity.
It's impossible to even strawman these "people". They really are all afflicted with raging Ashkenazi schizophrenia and WILL start to spew word salad about irrelevant subjects 2 minutes into a discussion.
>>16798244>Can't bridge together STEM and the humanities.Typical alt-righty flunking calc.
>humanitiesYep. Full psychosis from a brown jewish retard who unironically fell for the (((Lewontin))) fallacy.
>>16798241>pilpullol you’re not to work on Shabbat rabbi.>If we theoretically edited your genes to give you dark skin you wouldn't start inhaling watermelon and chicken fingers.Your pet niggers that suffer from genetic mutations continue to exhibit nigger behavior even though their skin changes. Why aren’t they fucking their dogs or writing dissertations like yt folx be doin mang?
>>16798247Then why can you impregnant a black woman but not a bonobo?
>>16798246I'm sorry you don't have any humanity Anon.It shows.
>>16798249Who says I can’t?
>>16798251>Wants to have sex with great apes.Meds.Now.
>>16794540I don't think leftists actually "mean" anything when they talk. Certainly not one of them can actually prove their claim that race is a social construct. I've never seen them even try to make a rational argument, it's always just dogmatic chanting.
>>16798252good morning saaar
>>16794549Why can't it just be this simpleAverages and statistics are a thingThat doesn't help you appraise an individualBoth are true, why is this so hard?
>>16798254I accept your concession.
>>16798256>Averages and statistics are a thing>That doesn't help you appraise an individualWhy not? Be sure to use logical reasoning if you attempt to answer.
>>16798257You’re a bot who has contributed nothing to the thread other than schizo nonsense.
>>16798259>Everything that disagrees with my racism is a bot.>You're the schizo.
>>16798215Put differently, this means that an indian incel is more like the incel raging at this post than they are to well-adjusted individuals in their own countries.
>>16798259>You’re a bot"He" is 100% empirically indistinguishable from a bot and yet you will keep arguing with it and accepting its essentialist claims about being human.
>>16798264>All black people are the same.Go outside.
Notice how the broken bot keeps giving completely incoherent replies, as if it's replying to the wrong posts repeatedly.
>>16798267>It's all one bot.
Bot
>>16798269Proof?
Indeed, bot.
>>16798275So no proof.
>>16798258The same individual can belong to arbitrarily many groups with different averages, so knowing the average of a group the individual is in tells you nothing about them.
>>16798267>>16798269>>16798275>Indian reply syntax
>>16794540This is like saying age is a social construct, and when pushed back on it you say "aha, but what is maturity, Padawan?" It's a mott and Bailey
>>16798282Something can be both a social construct and existing.Like systemic racism.
>>16798206>shitpost on dead thread about metric system>immediately the Metric Internet Defense Force vomits out a fake socratic dialogue with 50 posts of recooked, astroturfed race cliches from the early 2010sMfw
>>16798215>The variation between the groups mistakenly called races is more than the difference between these groups.And? Suppose you have a bucket of Wiggles and bucket of Niggles. Wiggles and Niggles are superficially similar - both are characterized by the same set of quantifiable traits. Suppose an individual's traits are sampled from some normal distribution. The Wiggle distribution has an average of 100 and a standard deviation of 15. For the Niggles, let's be charitable and say it's 90/15. For any given trait, the variation within each bucket is greater than the difference between bucket averages.Suddenly, a Jiggle appears, kicks the buckets over then stirs that whole mess to mix it up. You're a scientist tasked with sorting the Biggles and Niggles back into their own buckets. Unfortunately, you're color-blind. You pick a Wiggle/Niggle thing from the floor and measure it. It measures 100 on every trait. There are 20 different traits. What's the probability that the thing you picked up is a Niggle? Which bucket do you put it in?
I fucked a robot bitch with nigger skin shit was SO cash
>>16798277>The same individual can belong to arbitrarily many groups with different averagesWhich groups? Is he equally likely to belong to each one of those groups? :^)>so knowing the average of a group the individual is in tells you nothing about them.This is completely unrelated to your premise. There is no "so". Are you ok in the head?
>>16798296There will be many more traits which are not correlated with the ones you found when they were in the buckets, and if you're actually unbiased in choosing the traits you want to measure from the thing you picked from the floor, you won't be able to deduce the bucket it was originally from.
>>16798303I don't understand this word salad. You pick a Wiggle/Niggle thing from the floor and measure it. It measures 100 on every trait. There are 20 different traits. What's the probability that the thing you picked up is a Niggle? Which bucket do you put it in?Your refusal to answer this is a full concession.
>>16798307Which part are you having trouble understanding? It's not very hard.>What's the probability that the thing you picked up is a Niggle?There is no way to know unless you specifically chose the traits to be the ones which were correlated to being in the buckets.
>>16798311>There is no way to knowSo now you're down to denying basic stats? Or are you just too brown to solve a highschool-level problem?
>>16798312So which part of my post are you still not understanding?
>>16798314>can't into basic highschool statsConcession accepted. All further posts typed by your brown hands automatically dismissed. You're literally dumber than the average chatbot (all of which can solve this problem easily).
>>16798284There are two kinds of systemic racism in the US at the moment. Passive, where dominant cultural beauty standards are absorbed by black kids who, in many replicable studies, prefer playing with a white doll instead of a black doll. Aggressive, where white kids are abused by teachers who actively brainwash them into believing they're evil because they're white, then actively excluded from all corporate employment opportunities unless they're a nepo baby in some specific white family. Both sort of suck for the kids but the aggressive one obviously sucks a lot worse.
>>16798317Ok lol, I don't mind not talking to some racist retard who can't even understand the post he's replying to. Clearly, words are wasted on you.
>>16798303schizo word salad. unironically retarded
>>16798321Have your mental breakdowns elsewhere.
>>16798321>>16798317It's a bot.
>>16798296You seem to be advocating that some Niggles can magically become Wiggles and vice versa.
>>16798330>You seem to be advocating that some Niggles can magically become Wiggles and vice versa.You seem to be hearing voices. Quote the specific part that "advocates" this.
>>16798331>You seem to be hearing voices.Go fuck yourself. I don't entertain people with Niggle-tier manners as legitimate collocutors.
>>16798334Why are you chimping out? I just asked you to quote the part where I'm "advocating" for what the voices whispered to you.
>>16798258The average human is a Chinese woman named Mohammed Patel, and has one testicle, one ovary, and 3.9 limbs. Doesn't exist.The average man has committed a non zero number of rapes despite never having raped anyone.The average man knows how to change a tyre, doesn't mean I know how to change a tyre.Racism only works on groups. There is such a thing as an honest jew or a jeet with a soul, it's just rare.
>>16798334Irony: the post.
>>16798296>you have a bucket of Wiggles and bucket of NigglesLol. Nice try, but the target audience you're trying to educate is immediately filtered by terms like "normal distribution" and "sample". Actually a bunch of them are filtered by the word "suppose", because they did eat breakfast.
>>16798337>the average human this>the average man that>and here's my opinion about racismThat in no way answers the question you were asked. Try again?
>>16798340Suppose you were not retarded, would you still make your post?
>>16798335>Why are you chimping out?The Niggle doesn't know how to communicate without jazzing up his every reply with at least one self-indicting muh dik variant
>>16798296>What's the probability that the thing you picked up is a Niggle? Which bucket do you put it in?0 because niggles are a social construct. but if it is a niggle i want to put it in my ass
>>16798339Another Niggle jumps back into the Niggle bucket.
The niggle post really makes the kikes seethe for some reason.
>>16798342Suppose you have a contract to sign.The other party is a group of 100 jews.You'd be mad to sign, there's no way in hell there isn't some pilpul in the fine print that's gonna fuck you out of your end.If the other party is one jew you've known for years and has demonstrated honesty and impartiality in all his dealings, you should probably feel safe signing.Jews as a whole being scheming nepotists doesn't mean your friend is also a scheming nepotismAt this point if you're not getting it I have to assume you're wasted or retarded
>>16798349>Indian reply syntax
>>16798350>If the other party is one jew you've known for years and has demonstrated honesty and impartiality in all his dealings, you should probably feel safe signing.I have never known such a jew. What reason do I have to assume any particular jew is your magical and totally real good jew when I know what the average jew is like?
These subhuman racist talking points are so fucking retarded it's hilarious. It's like they're bots programmed to repeat the same, most insanely stupid thing over and over despite being shown how stupid they are.
>>16798350>>16798353Mind you, I acknowledge the "average jew" is an abstract, hypothetical entity, just like your "honest jew", but one of them is an informative abstraction and the other one is not. You have still not shown it to be otherwise.
>>16798357NTA. What environment do you live in where abstract, hypothetical entities are somehow more useful to your life or career or general wellbeing than embracing or rejecting specific, real people?
>>16798303>There will be many more traits which are not correlated with the ones you found when they were in the buckets, and if you're actually unbiased in choosing the traits you want to measure from the thing you picked from the floor, you won't be able to deduce the bucket it was originally from.What? I mean... what? I'm jewish and I get secondhand embarrassment reading this stuff. Don't drop out of Middle School, kids.
>>16798364>What environment do you live in where abstract, hypothetical entities are somehow more useful to your life ... than embracing or rejecting specific, real people?It's extremely useful in an environment with many (((people))) trying to fleece you. Until science figures out a risk-free way tell the "good" jews apart from the "bad" ones, the heuristic of the Average Jew will have to suffice. Adhering to it doesn't produce the best outcome in every case, but it produces a better outcome in the long run, when you apply it consistently and repeatedly.
>>16798357Okay how about religion then?The real median human is a borderline retard, 4 billion odd africans and jeets bring the bar low. So for people with no theory of mind, theory of future, did eat breakfast, religion is a fucking necessity because otherwise why shouldn't I just rape everything around me to death and eat it when I'm done?So adopting this logic as legal policy, you have to install a state religion, or make it illegal to be an atheist or agnostic. Which is absolutely fucking retarded because you can't MAKE someone believe shit that doesn't make sense to them. Ever talked to a flerfer?So by treating humanity as a whole the same way, you've criminalised the existence of the half of the world worth keeping
>>16798366You avoided the question. What environment do you live in? Since you're making me guess, I'll guess urban? Like a port city or some other massive, dysgenic sewer of subhumanity? If so, I'd kindly suggest that you're part of the problem. You should move somewhere less fucked up.
>>16798365From a pure math perspective, the other anon is correct.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_duckling_theorem
>>16798369>You avoided the questionYou're lying blatantly. I actually gave a concrete, reasoned answer to your low IQ attempt at a rhetorical question.
>>16798372No, you are not correct. You are delusional. The Ugly Duckling Theorem doesn't apply to the given problem in any way.
>>16798374You gave an "abstract, hypothetical" answer to a specific question. Now you're letting your inner Niggle slip out again with more muh dik insult jazz.
>>16798376
>>16798368>So adopting this logic as legal policy, you have to install a state religionThe logic I presented in no way implies this, but for the sake of argument, I'll embrace this premise.>make it illegal to be an atheist or agnostic.Already, this doesn't follow.>you can't MAKE someone believe shit that doesn't make sense to them. Why do you need to make anyone believe anything? Again, this doesn't follow.>So by treating humanity as a whole the same way, you've criminalised the existence of the half of the world worth keepingThis retarded assertion doesn't logically connect to any of the other ones, despite them all being fallacious. Try again?
>>16798379>mentally ill jewish samefag
>>16798372>From a pure math perspective, the other anon is correct.From a pure reading comprehension perspective, his own initial statement makes an argument about specific traits, not a meta-level argument about the supposed arbitrariness of defining traits. This is a desperate attempt to save face.
>>16798381>another Niggle self-identifies back into the Niggle bucketWho needs a scientist when you can just sit back and watch?
>mentally ill kike loops on the same bazinga ad infinitumThe Niggle thing really got under its lizard skin.
>>16798383>This is a desperate attempt to save face.No, it's a didactic joke in a thread with no other science or math to speak. Watanabe's proof controls both of your arguments while also being a quintessential case of useless Oriental pilpul.
>>16798387>Indian reply syntax
>>16798392A desperate attempt to save face. You committed (((Lewontin)))'s fallacy and then backpedaled to a different and irrelevant argument that doesn't concern the example refuting that fallacy, in which the categories are already given.
>>16798395Are you drunk? Watanabe has no relation to Lewontin.
>>16798396You can samefag and try to muddy the water with irrelevant namedrops all you like, but the fact of the matter is that you committed (((Lewontin)))'s fallacy, got promptly BTFO by >>16798296 and then backpedaled to:>uhh but ack-chually, you can't define any traits and categories without bias!
>>16798398I'm this anon>>16798206>>16798286You have a serious head canon problem.
>>16798402You have some serious Ashkenazi heritable disease problem.
>>16798404
>>16798405NTA but he was being very didactic. You have a lot to learn from him.
>>16798408>>16798405
>>16798365What's so hard to understand? Your being jewish is irrelevant to being able to understand it.
>>16798616Jews who dysfunctionally identify as Jews are just inbred Euro-adjacent white people with a snowflake complex.
>>16798616Why would there be more traits than the ones the ones the problem is about?
>>16794540Stop overcomplicating something so bloody simple. Fuck.
