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i love being collared
Any kiwi anons on essefgee wanna give us the inside scoop?
Genius idea to get the American government involved in space resource extraction
>>16795314>Nestle enters the chat
>>16795314>>16795323is it 2018 again? are you guys 15? who still finds these jokes funny?
>>16795344yesyesyes
>>16795314:DD lol
>Sending a Lovecraftian Canadian ghoul to the Dark Side of the Moon.Like putting Cthulhu on one button dial.
>>16795372
Canada: We got our space logo off the hood of a 1978 Trans-Am in the student parking lot.
>>16795372this headline is putting a curse on him as he will now be dying on Artemis II
BREAKING NEWS!!!! Canadian superorbital launch delayed to tomorrow
>>16795372>>16795380What's the protocol if he just has a massive aneurysm or heart attack and dies midway through the mission? Do they have to bag up his body and continue sitting next to it the whole way back?
>>16795382no saar please redeem
>>16795383Unless a spacewalk is in the mission plan which requires a real space suit, Astromutts wear a flightsuit++ designed to hold atmosphere during launch or landing so they don't Saylut. Change into their Space Onesies once they're up.
>>16795391So, they can't open the hatch to dump the body. Deadman rides shotgun for the entire trip.
>>16795394>put body in airtight flight suit>seal it up so no death smell>make sure it's in a sitting position in case rigor mortis sets inezpz
The entire Universe hates you personally and wants you dead.
>>16795401>whole bunch of free resources nearbyNeat!
England, a nation that doesn't have a space program, has a new museum of artifacts from nations that do. It's their old space museum moved over a bit, with all the same old rubbish in it. But it does have a panto Mr Bean in a space suit:https://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/see-and-do/space
>>16795314>>16795344This guy made the same joke, but took it even furtherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr59pl5xk0g
I wonder if Titan was once covered in vast seas of methane many millions of years ago. It is thought that Huygens landed in a dried riverbed, near the equator, so it might be a possibility.
>>16795408English don't deserve it, half the flat earth/space is fake nutters are from England I swer 2 god
>>16795415There's vast seas of it there right now, wdym anon?
>>16795372Oh cool, our government has expanded the assisted dying program again. Always wanted to be a Necronaut.
>>16795420>the "vast seas" in question
>>16795424Yeah, that's pretty big.
>>16795415Yes. After the planet condensed and there was abundant release of potential and radioactive energy. Then it cooled enough to form an ice shell.How long did that last? *shrugs*
>>16795424the gas station of the solar system
peak of /sfg/
Why not a reusable hydrolox tug/cycler using water from the moon to push starship towards mars instead of doing 16 launches?
>>16795443lmao I remember this. Did anyone ever screenshot the whole thing?
>>16795446numerous times throughout the shitposting campaign
https://x.com/franciscospace5/status/1970677686646567147Chris Kemp of Astra saying that the engines they were getting from Firefly were "garbage", that no two matched each other or the CAD schematics.
>>16795448Hi there newfriend, when posting links from X (formerly known as twitter) make sure to include a screenshot of the post!This helps other posters actually see what you posted
>>16795447let me get a copy, please.
>>16795448i dont want to hear shit from this lead paint munching moron who's rocket company has failed to do anything of note.Firefly meanwhile landed on the moon flawlessly (the first commercial company to do so)
>>16795451https://litter.catbox.moe/e5atcpq2xssjpr1n.rarAll 19 times I saved it throughout the day
>>16795458Thank you
>>16795448Chris Kemp spent the day shitting on firefly and rocketlab, yet the two of them are flying rockets while kemp is eternally hustling the talmudic investors for one more chance
>>16795479they are both doing more than flying rockets actually. rocket lab isnt even a rocket company anymore they are a space company that launches rockets
>>16795481satellite bus lab just doesn’t have the same ring to it
>>16795483https://youtu.be/nZXYnVBK0fY
>>16795424>NASA sending the once in a century $3 billion Dragonfly mission, using the last of our remaining Plutonium to Titan, to land in a crater and look at dunes. Just like NASA landed two $3 billion nuclear powered rovers on Mars, in craters to look at dunes. Just like NASA is going to land the $50 billion Artemis on the Moon, in a crater to look at dune-like ground.Hate those guys so much.
>>16795499>using the last of our remaining Plutoniumdon't worry, eventually we will have magic ZPE cells that generate infinite amounts of power to replace RTGs
What happened? I thought the really high value stuff was only supposed to be launched on Atlas or Vulcan, the ultra precise high-energy rocket?
>>16795448cringe tweaker faggot. get your drug problem under control before you try to dunk on people more successful than you
One cubic kilometer
>"People who think about living on Mars, haven't thought enough about living on Mars." Dr. Adam Steltzner, Chief Engineer of the NASA Mars Perseverance Rover program and world expert on the Martian environment just gave this wonderful presentation on Mars at Astronomy on Tap this week.Sitting down for a Mars talk, on a Summer night, with snacks and a drink. Pretty sweet!
>>16795507https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Chw8rCUL0
>>16795501>magicnot spaceflight related get the fuck out the thread
>>16795507NASA has switched to primarily attempting to prevent manned space exploration
>>16795507>roverfag seethingKEEEK. reminder that JPL is infested with these creatures
>>16795507Fag
>>16795512Go to college, make friends and hang out. Then maybe you won't be so bitter.
"Ahhh! I missed this one on the Midterm too!"
>>16795506I'm absolutely sick of this image. It's full of handwaving as if this is a simple exercise and you can just do it with no issues. why sacrifice a perfectly functional lander that could be used in case of an emergency?why sacrifice perfectly functional fuel tanks you can use for in situ prop storage?Why sacrifice hundreds of tons of precious steel that could be recycled and used for actually useful applications?Why take hundreds of days to construct a habitat out of a ship when you can do it in far less time using modules deployed to the surface by the very same lander and then spend the rest of your time on the moon doing actual science?also I love how it's like, yeah we can just tip over this 100MT lander over safely it's no big deal and nothing could possibly go wrong during the process.none of it makes any damn sense.
>>16795513dr fag crab
Stay for the 10pm presentation. The speakers do that show topless. Two drink minimum.
>>16795516just for context this is what a starship class inflatable habitat looks like. Assuming a cargo only flight you can get 5 times that habitable volume without retarded shit like ripping apart your lander. If it's being launched as cargo on a crewed mission you can still get more than 1000m^3 of space from a single inflatable deployed to the surface.
>>16795507Enjoy the talk anon.
"Hey Anon, are you going to the Dark Sky Festival Camp Out? There's still room in the Girl's Tent, if you don't mind sleeping coed."
>>16795525eww
>>16795408>England, a nation that doesn't have a space programIn the same sense that Florida doesn't have a space program.
>>16795525I'm 29 and balding. It's basically over for me at this point. I'm looking forward to the sweet release of death.
>>16795515which one is it? the moon?
>>16795507>>16795508if only an enterprising person with a strong knowledge of mars created a business to prepare people who were planning on going to mars...
>>16795536Luna appears to be #4
>>16795536Colors are wrong, I don't care
>>16794975Midwit response to that picture. With a stout enough heat shield and a fast enough missile, you could absolutely launch almost straight down from LEO.
>>16795540>ganymedeus almost as big as marsfuck insane
>>16795540>ganymede and titan are as large as mars>both have the same gravity as the moonwhat did they mean by this?
>>16795525I don't mind :)
Let me preface this by saying I'm not the anon who was originally calling for a spaceflight board and being incredibly annoying about it. That said, spaceflight board when? I think this thread alone ranks in like the 30-40th percentile among boards on the site. Maybe when there's a moon base we could start bugging mods about it. What would you call the board, both the short tag and the full title? I like /up/ - Space Exploration and Technology.
>>16795572/sp/
>>16795574And just boot Sports over to /sprt/, I like it
>>16795572not enough happens in spaceflight for a whole board
>>16795572we dont need an entire fucking board for stuff that belongs on the science board
>>16795572/sex/ - SpaceX and the rest
>>16795536the moon is a planet
>>16795540Mercury is not a real planet
>>16795593"planet" isn't even a rigorous definition.
>>16795596the Sun is a planet to the Sagittarius A* System
>>16795572RAPE YOU GENERAL
Looks like the new grift is in propellantless propulsion, (and no I'm not talking about IVO or Exodus) good grief.
>>16795625like it or not reactionless is the future. everything else has serious issues with thermal management or just plain isn't any better than chemical. Might as well try the moonshots just on case one of them actually works
sorry but we will never defeat the laws of thermodynamics. not sorry.
>>16795633enjoy being stuck in the solar system then.
>>16795448This is actually true lmfao, I didn't think it'd ever come out.My secondhand understanding is that Firefly didn't really want to sell the Reaver IP, but desperately needed the cash at the time this deal was made. As a result, they seriously halfassed all the hardware and documentation they sent over to the point that it was borderline useless.
>>16795633Laws are made to be broken
They wanted to name it "Diversity" but Duffman laughed in their face.
>Space Force’s Guardians may execute a full-time remote mission from their stations on the ground, but the service’s top officer wants to take more training out of the virtual realm. In part, this would occur by deploying actual aggressor satellites in orbit in a similar manner to how the USAF flies aggressor fighters with specially trained pilots that mimic the enemy’s tactics and capabilities against its flight crews.https://www.twz.com/space/aggressor-satellites-that-replicate-enemy-ones-on-space-forces-buy-listthere's nothing else in the article that has any value. no details or timeline is given. a whole article written for a soundbite with no meat to it.
my laptop is fixed, hello again /sfg/!
>>16795641getting real tired of these lame fucking names. desperately need to have halo style names for our space craft. what's stopping them from naming it something patriotic like "Dawn's Early Light" or some shit. 3 words MINIMUM.
>Ultimately, Integrity was inspired by something one of their instructors said while on a team-building trip to Iceland. "He coined this for us, and we held on to it," said Hansen, who, unlike his NASA crewmates, is a Canadian Space Agency astronaut. "It was this idea that you're not a person who has integrity, you're a person who strives to be in integrity. Sometimes you're out of integrity, and sometimes you're in your integrity. That was profound for all of us."That's profound. If you're smoking dope.
>>16795705Profoundly lame
>>16795705its corpospeak. if you never had a real job it would be alien to you.
And all the Ars comments are as expected. Preening how Integrity is something Orange Man doesn't have. Over and over.
>>16795693>Re-entry Not Guaranteed >Forward Unto Doom>Ablative Risk>Atmospheric Cremation>Columbia 2
>>16795711godamnit anon
>>16795705Wow astronauts really are dumb meatheads
>>16795713he looks the part too
>>16795705NASA HR committees name the ships, not the astronauts. Obviously.
>>16795499Craters are where you study planetary geology because they provide a baseline by which other events can be measured(In general terms, anyway -- did you know samples and studies of the moon's craters form the basis of the chronology we use for estimating the age of things across the entire solar system?)
>>16795515I would absolutely smash these boomergoys in an astronomy quiz. As long as it's all just specifics on the Solar System and nearby stars and doesn't start getting into pop-sci shit like le black holes and quantum nonsense.
So is NASA ok with sacrificing 4 astronauts when the heat shield fails? Considering it was failing on the last reentry let alone one from lunar orbit
>>16795705That doesn't mean anything.
>>16795731I don't give a FUCK about planetary history I just want cool drone shots of the methane lakes
>>16795705Integrity can be interpreted many ways, which is why they like it (one is an engineer and would appreciate it). Since they seem to be angling for millennial dark humor, it's a bit of a commentary on "if this thing doesn't maintain integrity we die." It can also mean the quality of integration; that is, togetherness as part of a whole, which is something that unity does not cover in the same way. You also naturally get integrity the personal ideal, which is often described as propensity to behave in a morally, ethically and justifiable way at all times ("doing the right thing even when nobody is watching" is a explanation that gets used a lot). Then you get to the current "post-truth" era where nobody seems to be able to be honest, and naturally they want to make a statement on that in the only way they can.I personally would have gone with Challenger. Both for its namesake and a reminder to NASA what happened the last time they had go feverNot something I'd
https://x.com/DRDO_India/status/1971078893806419979>Intermediate Range Agni-Prime Missile was successfully tested on 24 Sep 2025 from a Rail based Mobile launcher. This will be a force multiplier to strategic forces, with a game changer road cum rail missile system
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1971074691772137766>It is launch day for Atlas V and Kuiper 3! United Launch Alliance has initiated the countdown for launch of the Atlas V 551 rocket to deploy another 27 advanced broadband satellites into space for Amazon. Launch time is 8:09 a.m. EDT (1209 UTC) from Cape Canaveral.
>>16795749It's weird seeing a train in India without jeets on top of it
>>16795751nobody who likes spaceflight is going to buy internet from kuiper. the money will just go to buying more yachts for the executives.
>>16795731AI what do you think of Anon's crater lust?>The most studied landforms in geology, particularly for understanding Earth's processes, include mountains, plains, plateaus, and valleys, along with features like volcanoes, canyons, and coastal landforms. These landforms are studied because their features and formations reveal vital information about geological structures and the climatic processes that have shaped the Earth's surface over millions of years, according to the IGWS. Craters are a relatively minor area of study and since the seas of Titan are the only other surface liquids in the Solar System and have significant implications for the genesis of Life, it would be nice to have a look at those.But no. Hole in the ground full of dunes it is. Again.
Might have some launch delays out of Wenchang.
>>16795752Or under it
>>16795282>Bild
>>16795711>Pillar of Autism>Promise of Launch>Sinus Itus>>>This End Up
>>16795375You sound like a fag
>>16795545Icelets.
>>16795744Damn, anon Integrated with the atmosphere during reentry. What a shame.
>>16795437Are there any oxygen seas?
the future is bright
>>16795705Creatively bankrupt test pilots. Meanwhile the Apollo 10 astronauts were like>Hey what about “Charlie Brown”?
>>16795862None of that is going to happen.
>>16795507Death the death cult
>>16795301>wellingtonRather kill myself than spend a minute longer in that libfuck glownigger and jeetchink infested than I absolutely have to
>>16795516>>16795520>Why sacrifice hundreds of tons of precious steel that could be recycled and used for actually useful applications?you land, deploy your inflatable hab modules and are still left with a perfectly good sealing, robust, steel pressure vessel that will last decades, possibly even longerwhy the fuck would you destroy it?>Why take hundreds of days to construct a habitat out of a ship when you can do it in far less time using modules deployed to the surface by the very same lander and then spend the rest of your time on the moon doing actual science?Refurbishing it would take about the same time as furbishing the inflatable modulesBreaking it down would take a lot more effort and you also need to melt it all down (where?) and reprocess/shape it (where?)Instead of using all that manpower and energy for recycling, you can just make more metal. For a lot of things you could use locally source metal extracted from regolithSOME ships would get recycled to get good steel for things that actually need good steel>why sacrifice a perfectly functional lander that could be used in case of an emergency?if you have only one, yeah it doesn't make sense to do all this shit, but we're assuming to building a permanent base made out of dozens of starships and all the stuff brought by said starshipsyou can keep 1 lander ready as emergency return vehicle for every couple of dozens of non-returning cargo ships just fineas for prop storage, you probably would want it sideways - to cover it up and keep it in shade to prevent excessive boil-off> nothing could possibly go wrong during the process.it could and would. The ships that get splattered get recycled.
>[Vast] is also looking to private, self-funded individuals, Haot said, adding that a spot on board will be awarded, for an undisclosed but hefty price, to people who will be training “very seriously” for their role and engaging in “important work” in space. https://www.cnn.com/science/vast-worlds-first-commercial-space-station-spcisaacman?
>>16795894This is such a shitty/unsustainable business model [math]\unicode{x1F602}[/math]
>>16795880malding
>>16795625I'll be sad if we leapfrog the whole Solarpunk era
>>16795897i agree, but its being funded by a crypto billionaire so dont expect much creativity
>>16795401science data confirms
>>16795641better ship names for that DEI feel>Inconsequence>Harmless>Deference>Weakness>Inclusion>Cautious>Circumspect
>>16795711>>16795781>Fire When Ready>Mind The Gap>Better Than Best>Into The Breach>Up The AnteI hope someone is saving these
>>16795448I mean, if they still work to spec, does it really matter beyond being professionally offensive?
GOOOOOOOO
>>16795902Post your nations capital citiy demographics
18 mins to go
atlas-kuiper is go
>>16795383Burial at sea as they commit his body unto the deepest of deeps.
>>16795418they do have some well known guys who believe the moonlandings were fake thats for sure.
>>16795525>if you don't mind sleeping coed."only if theres a thick bolster pillow down the middle. anything else would be inappropriate.
>>16795687what was up with it?
>>16795282NOOOOOOOO!
>>16795989DO NOT REDEEM THE LAUNCH
Would it be possible to push the super heavy stage all the way to orbit like the SLS core?
Pad 2 status?How many two weeks until its ready for flight 12?
>>16795989experience is what you get whether you get what you want or not. its what you get when you do anything or indeed when you do nothing at all.
>>167959936 months * weeks / 2
>>16795641No Astronaut Left Behind
>>16795993https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQF3wMGMp3I
>>16795641>Orion Spacecrafti keep seeing it as the Onion Spacecraft but hope to proved wrong.
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1971204944301801524https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/09/astras-chris-kemp-woke-up-one-recent-morning-and-chose-violence/either he needs more or less paint chips
>>16796016
>>16796016>>16796017I think we've all seen that cartel video, you know the one. With the chainsaw.
>>16796017>chop your head off if you make a wrong turnseems like an effective way to ensure that everyone makes the effort to know where they are going. this can only increase efficiency of movement.
>>16796019I think the one where they peeled off a guys face, eyelids, and removed his hands was worse.
>>16796022If Elon wanted to be funny he'd order a new sign installed at the roadway>this way to space launch complex>that way to beheading-land
>So there was one question Limp wanted Bezos to answer: “Is this a hobby or a business?”>In retrospect, it seemed an insulting question. Bezos had said repeatedly that Blue was the most important work he was doing. He had poured billions of his own money into it. In its ambition and scope, Blue encapsulated his childhood dreams. Yes, it was a business, a big business. When I asked Bezos if the question came as a shock, he said, “I was a little surprised because to me, it’s so obviously a business.” When Blue Origin reached the moon, building space stations and mining asteroids, it would be bigger than even Amazon, he believed, with its market value of more than $2 trillion. “I think it’s going to be the best business that I’ve ever been involved in, but it’s going to take a while,” as he said at a conference.
>>16796035he's probably already paying the cartels to serve as security against deranged democrats trying to sneak in from the south to sabotage his rockets
>Shortly after liftoff, Limp congratulated the team in a company-wide email that made it clear the pace of progress had to continue. Blue had finally reached orbit, but it still had a lot to prove.>“We are already looking ahead to our next launch in the spring,” he wrote. “It goes without saying building booster and second stages are critical to our success. Let’s double down and show everyone how quickly we can get back to flight.>>>>>>>>>>>>next launch in the springwhat did he mean by that
>Musk and SpaceX had always traveled at light speed, but now Bezos and Blue Origin had discovered their own warp drive. They were pushing each other, accelerating like a pair of spacecraft, each in their own orbit, until the liberating force of inertia took over and carried them to a point in the cosmos so remote and dark, it was brilliant.Yeah, the book was alright and had some interesting things I wasn't aware of yet, but Davenport trying to pretend that BO and SpaceX are rivals now is eye-rolling. The "billionaire space race" meme died years ago.
>>16796071>They were pushing each other, accelerating like a pair of spacecraftthis is extremely gay
>>16796065They found some problems and had to redesign things.Obvious with the piece of shit booster they built.Should have just copied Falcon 9 instead of overcomplicating it
>>16796071Berger is the only good space journalist
>>16795525Just because you want women who are geeks doesn't mean you have to lower your standards. I was briefly acquainted with a female astrophysicist with absolutely massive breasts (otherwise at least a 7/10)
>>16795572build your own 4chinz
>>16796077>you want women who are geeksIs this some low T shit?
>>16796016>>16796017>>16796019"SpaceX are a bunch of dirty Mexico touchers!"It's impressive racism, but unconvincing as an argument.
>>16796016>>16796017I thought he meant Musk doesn't tolerate failure but it was just about savage Mexicans.
>>16796089>mexican>race
>>16796096Fine, mestizo you pedant.
Wait so what do you do about heavy machinery on the vacuumed surface of the moon and mars needing backup beepers and car horns? You’re gonna have earth movers and bulldozers and excavators and whatnot with humans in EVA suits walking around working
>>16795755>the seas of Titan are the only other surface liquids in the Solar SystemIo's lava lakes.
>>16796077Okay. Meanwhile this guy who got pantsed in High School is taking this qt home after his talk. Look at the love glow in her eyes.
>>16796096They refer to themselves as La Raza
>>16796110Flashing lights work, don't they?
>>16796110Surely they can figure out some kind of proximity thing that casts the beeping sound straight to the headset of any nearby astronaut?
>>16795989Reminder this isn't even a real rocket they Canadians can't launch. This is something an ambitious amateur rocket club at a uni like MIT can send up.
>>16796114Counterpoint: breasts the size of her head
>>16796116Not enough, hate to be an OSHA baby but I’ve seen a couple of guys get feet run over by forklifts and an excavator bucket fell on a guy on a site I was at. Work site injuries are common with complacency. Backup alarms are actually a pretty good safety measure that people pay attention to. It’s instinct to hear it and turn your head to make sure you’re not in the way
ScrubbedLavee
>>16796129How about directional beeping inside the EVA suit, triggered by proximity? A truck begins backing up and you don't see it since your back is turned, it gets within 15 feet or so and triggers a beeping in your helmet that you hear coming from behind, prompting you to turn around and gtfo of the way.
But they're to it and at it at it and to itYa gotta tune your attitude inIf ya don't get at it when ya get to itYa won't get to it to get at it again
>>16796146>the rocket on the patch isn't even their rocketSaarr bros...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKQuQbnmd6w
>>16796047The sad thing is this could be true if Jeff were capable of letting go of the idea of being in the launch business and committed Blue fully to in-space vehicles/services, habitats, and ISRU.
>>16796129Good radio communication and plain old vigilance.Possibly separate machine/personnel zones. Eventually some kind of live-position proximity notice on helmet HUDs.
Why is NASA so fixated on craters? They're preparing us.
>>16796170i know man its weird. craters are just the pits, you know?
>>16795889>why the fuck would you destroy it?you missed my entire line of argument. there is zero reason to take apart a starship and if somehow you have so many starships that you actually can afford to scrap a few, steel is incredibly valuable on the moon. there is very little carbon so making steel in situ is not going to be easy. why waste perfectly good steel on a habitat when you can use deployables and get 5 times the volume?>Refurbishing it would take about the same time as furbishing the inflatable modulesthat simply isn't true. it won't take 2 months to inflate a habitat. all of the necessary gasses to inflate will be carried with you and the whole process will be as seamless as possible because it can be designed to be from earth. there is no seamless way to tear into a starship>breaking it downsee above>you probably would want it sidewaysThat would require putting a 100t ship on it's side in 1/6 gravity which is not going to be easy. I don't even know how anyone would intend to move it after it's been tipped. you'd need one of those massive crawlers.>it could and would. The ships that get splattered get recycled.I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or what.
>>16796181seems easier to prepare a steel structure for habitation than an inflatable, especially when building for radiation protection.
>>16796170They're continuing Greenland?Why? The story's over, humanity survived and will rebuild. What else is there to say about it?
>RD-270 (Soviet F-1), FFSC with hypergols, 1960s tech, 1.5M lbf thrust, 26.7mpa chamber pressure, 2.5-2.7m diameter>Modern tech: methalox and similar thrust but with higher chamber pressure and lower dry mass?
>>16796181>It's impossible to lower a Starship to its side. Tilt Up has been common in building construction for the better part of a century. Rotating down in lower gravity shouldn't be some impossible undertaking:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lPbgQJCiI_w
>>16796192"Here's Mars Guy for scale."
>>16795282why doesnt anyone rebuild the V2 with modern technology?
>>16796183If by prepare you mean a prefabricated habitat brought from earth, sure yeah it's simpler to set up than an inflatable. If you mean tearing apart starship an turning into a retrofitted habitat the answer is "no". It's not nearly as simple as they make it out to be. besides, starship HLS already has a pressurized volume for the crew that is *rated* to be pressurized. If you want to use your starship as a lunar base you can just use that and avoid tearing apart your way home? >>16796197>impossibleI said it wasn't going to be simple or easy. It's honestly easier to just leave it where it is and use it for prop storage. starship isn't a small prefab panel it's 100mt. not only that the lower gravity would actually make it more difficult in some ways? considering it's very different environment compared to earth. You saw how they struggled to stay upright during apollo right? even with machines It's not going to be as straightforward of a process.Then you actually have to move the thing which requires one of these to be heavily modified and shipped to the moon
>>16796170BTW the name and location of the crater are a hat tip to the novel Rendezvous with Rama.
>>16796211at one point, that is exactly what Copenhagen Suborbitals was aiming to do
>>16796211If you have enough knowledge to build a V2 it's just easier to build a clean sheet design with modern methods. The engine design is really weird and archaic, it uses a water-ethanol mixture as fuel and the turbopump is powered by steam generated with HTP ran over a catalyst.
>>16796211Because the UK no longer needs help destroying itself?
>>16796265heheh
The absolute state https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1971274680163238013
>>16796273More like Nightmare Chaser
>>16796273Shh no dreamsonly tears now
>>16796273they should just give up with the DC because it's pretty clear that thing is never going to be useful. commercial stations really need low cost transport to be economically viable and even dragon launched on f9 is too expensive. There is no way dream chaser launched on top of vulcan of all things will somehow be cost competitive with dragon let alone anywhere near low cost enough to enable commercial stations to be viable.
>Dream Chaser’s first flight will be a free-flyer, demonstration mission, which is expected to prove the technology and deliver critical data to @nasa. We believe this approach will provide us with the flexibility to address the nation’s most pressing national security space challenges, while continuing to advance Dream Chaser’s capabilities for NASA and commercial customers.>Our team will be prioritizing first-flight readiness with Dream Chaser, targeting a launch in late 2026 to align with expected launch vehicle availability as we position Dream Chaser as a national asset available for future national security and defense demonstrations.This is the Ford Dealership explaining why your car wasn't ready by Five like they promised.
Maybe they can throw a bone to Boeing and do cargo (i.e. unmanned) Starliners to fill the gap
>>16796292There's no gap. SpaceX can launch Dragons.
>>16796296I guess I meant insofar in wanting second options. But yes lol you’re right.
>>16796292doesn't matter. ISS is deorbiting in 2030 and only one of the new commercial stations will survive (the one that gets nasa as a customer).unless blue origin decides to make a fully reusable NG and crew capsule, there really isn't a market for commercial space stations. It's simply far too expensive for there to be more than one.
>>16796273RIP bug chaserYou were truly pozzed
>>16796302kek
>>16796288>tenacity>noun>The quality or fact of continuing to exist; persistence.
>>16796016HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA holy shit
>>16796310>the sideways launch would have made it but the BIG EVIL GOVERNMENT RANGE SADETY OFFICER had a stupid TRIGGER FINGER and ERRONEOUSLY killed our rocket, that would have otherwise made it to orbit btw!No fucking way, this HAS to be cope
>Sierra fails on their contract to deliver cargo to ISS>NASA gives them another billion dollars to deliver cargo to the Moonhttps://www.sierraspace.com/press-releases/sierra-space-awarded-lunar-logistics-contract-by-nasa/You don't hate NASA nearly enough.
>>16796314the replies are all people telling him "that's bullshit and you know it, there's no chance the rocket had enough fuel to make it"
>>16796310>on its way to orbitI don't think so man
>>16796310>on its way to orbitNot with the lack of initial thrust it wasn't.The FSO was right, the only wrong part was how soon it would become a hazard.This is the same Astra that got their fairing separation charges wired in the wrong order?
I can’t tell what’s more impressive, the fact that Astra is somehow still alive? Or the fact that sierra has somehow managed to fucking delay dreamchaser perhaps even more than SLS
>>16796317They are the only company other than I think Lockheed martin that is pursuing inflatable habitats so we better fucking hope they continue to exist. colonizing the solar system with nothing but tiny rigid habitats is gonna suck big time
speaking of delays
>>16796327amazing feature
>>16796324We’ve discussed this to death, inflatables are gay and never give you enough of an expanded volume worth committing to
>>16796323Astra still being alive after blowing up Tropics-1 is eternally impressive to me.
>>16796330inflating to 5x the ISS internal volume with one launch is pretty fucking good actually
>>16796330what if we just made it bigger?
>>16796324If Relativity were willing to expand on the tech they've already developed instead of continuing their retarded stumble into the launch market, we could have rigid habitats of arbitrary size printed in space using 100-ton spools of raw material.
Big fan of booster sustainers.
>>16796288>targeting a launch in late 2026wasn’t this thing supposed to fly this year? and last year? and the year before that?
>>16796337I’m a big fan of TSTO depot architecture
>>16796342Contract awarded in 2016, inaugural flight was planned for NET 2020
>>16796335There are companies working on 3D printed habitats but I'm honestly really skeptical about those and how well they will hold an atmosphere. they also take more time to construct, since they have to be constructed, whereas inflatables can be deployed and you just cover them in loose or bagged regolith for radiation protection. for mid term settlements inflatables are really perfect. starship can send huge ones over easily. Eventually 3d printed habs may take over but that will take a while to happen IMHO.,
>>16796345Covid was the best thing to ever happen to lazy pieces of shit companies; just blame your delays on supply chain issues! Good thing that cow has dried up
>>16796019Personally, I don't watch gore videos.
>>16796346Just bring a spool of steel and weld whatever you need together
>>16795296*collars you*
>>16796350it’s not that easy in habery
>>16796346Relativity already printed and launched a pressure vessel, retard.
>>16796350Building large airtight structures to hold >1atm of pressure is the most solved problem you could possibly think of but when you suggest to do it in space everyone shits their pants and goes retarded.
>>16796355>On March 23, 2023, Relativity launched its first Terran 1 flight carrying no payload but it experienced failure during its second stage of flight and failed to reach orbit. Following the failed launch, Relativity announced that they ment to do that but were retiring Terrain 1 because. Just because okay?My, you do have a generous definition of "launched".
>>16796366there is also the problem that they used this this to make it which would have to be shipped to the moon and operate in the harsh lunar environment while printing and avoiding lunar dust getting into and weakening the prints. It's really a different beast entirely from doing it on earth in a clean and controlled environment
"How did the Relativity launch go? To shreds you say."
>>16796140>How about directional beeping inside the EVA suitthe one answer which isn't handwaving. This is a good idea. May as well do it becuase the software to impliment that is a tiny fraction of the cost of the suit itself.
>>16796369you would literally have to construct a habitat to house your habitat constructing robots. The in situ concrete based construction makes way more sense.
Holy gigacringe
>>16796352:3
>>16796373Just use an inflatable habitat that already contains the robot.
>>16796374already posted nigga >>16796310
Legal *sexy* aliens only!
>According to the China Manned Space Engineering Office, at 1:35 a.m. on September 26th (17:35 UTC), after approximately six hours of extravehicular activity, Shenzhou-20 astronauts Chen Dong, Chen Zhongrui, and Wang Jie, working closely together with the space station's robotic arm and ground-based researchers, successfully completed their planned extravehicular mission. Chen Zhongrui and Wang Jie have safely returned to the Wentian laboratory module, marking the successful extravehicular activity.>During the extravehicular activity, astronauts Chen Zhongrui and Wang Jie completed tasks such as installing the space station's debris shield and inspecting extravehicular equipment and facilities. This marks the first time that two astronauts from the third batch of my country's astronauts have jointly completed an extravehicular operation. To date, the Shenzhou-20 astronaut crew has completed four extravehicular activities, becoming one of the two Chinese crews with the most extravehicular activities.
>>16796382This is weird and NASA needs a regular full time admin now
>>16796310Delusions of grandeur
>>16796382what is the post he's replying to about
>>16796383Every photo of the chinkstation is in circa 2005 youtube 480p resolution
>>16796386The original post was in response to this video of Chaffetz joking around with Duffy about the moon landing.https://x.com/jasoninthehouse/status/1971221696834306188
>>16796343Two? Three? Ten? Twenty? Thousand?
What are the applications for metal propellant plasma thrusters?
>>16796381still doesn't explain "beheaded"I demand a refund
>>16796310I meanIs he wrong? Even we joke about the cartels if you visit the Mexican side for a launch
>>16796381That's a completely different post
>>16796371The directional speakers in the suit might be useful for regular comms too, you hear your comrade talking to you from the direction he's standing.
>>16796392Refined metal powders will probably be cheaper to get ISRU than the heavy inert gases we use today.
>>16796406what, it was a reference to cartels? you know you have to cross a river first, it's not like you can just take a wrong turn behind a building
Elon musk is an undercover reptoid human hybrid. There is no space program to spaceX he is a double agent for the galaxy reptiles using spaceX for the communications systems. Notice the "X" in spaceX. It's twitter for space reptiles. His real agenda is to further AI and energy research on earth to the point we can develop weapons to blow up the planet while stalling space exploration in future generations. Meanwhile he will socially engineer the human population into a global universal jeet race of giga autism jeets to keep programming the AI machine on worthless data to generate worthless data to distract the universal jeet human race in the coming centuries. RFK jr and trump are the white hats fighting the war on autism that musk and zucc are waging with the human race. Notice the invasion of twitter on 4chan. He wants to shut down 4chan and replace it with grok, the jeet autism creation machine, silencing the schizophrenic good guys on 4chan. Guys wake up, musk is to private space what government contractor mooches were to NASA after the 60s.
This piece of shit was a total fraud
>>16796406Yes, he's wrong. You can't cross the border accidentally and the cartels are very hesitant to kill Americans because they know it risks justifying military intervention. You're probably safer in cartel controlled territory than Baltimore or Detroit.
>>16796430really only good for small stuff and I guess rcs given they do like 1N of thrust unfortunately. really wish we had something with the thrust levels of chemical but the ISP of Ion drives. that would open up so much.
the absolute state of sierra space
>>16796280They can switch to Falcon 9 anytime they want and the capabilities of a low g runway capable spaceplane is something we should have at least one vehicle capable of
>>16796467can f9 launch DC even? wouldnt it need a FH
look at it and laugh
>>16796476nothing funny about this image. it’s just sad
>>16796440thats a flight article btw.
>>16796476They'll have a second one built by 2045
>>16796495looks comfy in 0g, claustrophobic in earth gravtiy
>>16796476>space shuttle but with a prolapsed anussee >>16796302
>>16796496Ok poopfuck
>>16796476considering it started as crewed craft with windows, it looks like a prisoner blindfolded before being led to the firing squad. They'll give him a cigarette (free flight) before the execution.
>>16796502I get why they added shooting star. Dream chaser itself is small as fuck
>>16796517makes me wonder why they dont just pivot to shooting star only given how fucking well dream chaser is coming along.
>>16796524Because Sierra got tons of free R&D from NASA for dreamchaser and sunk a bunch of time and money into further developing it. Pivoting to some sort of shooting star capsule would be a complete clock reset and wipe away decades of work (going back to the 90s) and they would be right back at rock bottom
>>16795448how many puts did this guy buy and how much money did he make after this comment? :^)
>>16796530I don’t think they’ve left rock bottom yet kek
>>16796530Ok but it's clear that they are probably only going to get one dream chaser right? there is no way they are making a crewed version and there is no way they are making a second one. There simply isn't a business case for it. - If you want to do ISAM it's downmass is both too low for large scale production and too high for experimental work (can be done with varda or similar companies way cheaper!)- If you want to do tourism dragon is cheaper and a proven design. Additionally, once mature, Starship will be able to bring 25-50 people up for an orbit or two and back down for way way way less due to full reuse and more passengers bringing the price per seat down to below 1 million and maybe even lower than 500k depending on how much starship launches end up costing once full reuse economics kicks in.- If you are doing station resupply there is dragon again, which is cheaper and far less complex, or potentially fully reusable medium/heavy lift rockets like a larger variant of Nova or fully reusable NG. both could dramatically lower resupply costs to commercial stations. There is also the potential for starship itself to deploy a capsule like dragon because why the fuck not? at some point it'd be cheaper to launch dragon on starship than on f9.What's the point of this spacecraft? all it does is low g loading entry but it will inevitably be at several times the cost of the competition? who is buying this spacecraft? What market is it catering to?
>>16796553Member when they thought they didn't need this
govt will shutdown. person today who talked to me who talked to someone who talked to Cruz says as such.
>>16796562lovely
>>16796563shit sucks when you're at a nasa center.
>>16796562NASA image archives go offline when the govt shuts down. Makes me pissed
We are never going to Alpha Centauri.
>>16796570this doesnt seem right, plus you can use electric sail tethers to brake against the interstellar wind and the approaching systems solar wind
>>16796570I really hate c
>>16796570Reddit is gay as fuck, but "minotard" is a good username. Slight exhale
>>16796570>ion engineThat's like trying to cross the ocean on a raft
>>16796570that's what you get for trying to go relativistic velocities with non relativistic exhaust velocities. might as well say we can't go to orbit because with the exhaust velocity of a garden hose you'd need the pacific ocean to launch one kilogram
>>16796570the same armchair calculators said that escaping earth with a rocket was impossible. Engineers made it happen. Same thing will happen with interstellar travel.
What's the sun doing?
>>16796584wearing sunglasses
>>16796584The sun is a mass of incandescent gas a gigantic nuclear furnaceWhere hydrogen is built into helium at a temperature of millions of degrees
>>16796310>lose 1/4 your engines>we totally were gonna make orbit guys
>>16796586>incandescentwow rude. you would think god would have switched to LED by now. Doesn't he know about climate change?
>>16796369I wasn't talking about building modules on a surface. I said "in space."Orbit is one giant clean room.
>>16796592Log off, Jeff. We aren't printing oneill cylinders
>>16796592there are better ways to do in orbit hab construction, namely you flat pack panels and then weld them together in space. Much simpler than trying to 3d print shit in space with all the atomic oxygen and other shit making your life a living hell
>>16796321This will never not be funny [math]\unicode{x1F923}[/math][math]\unicode{x1F923}[/math][math]\unicode{x1F923}[/math]
>>16796600mods dont try and trick me into thinking I can paste an emoji
>>16796602DAMNIT
>>16796602>>16796606this is you [math]\to \unicode{x1F31A}[/math]
>>16796570I don't care, I have HOPE.
>>16796570Time to school this doomer fool:>The spacecraft in the video, shown here in Fig. 6, is assumed to be capable of achieving an effective speed of 10 times the speed of light, or 10c if you will. There is no acceleration time as the idea of a space warp is such that it turns on and off with the proper acceleration being formally zero, so a zero-g state of affairs. The transit time from Mars to Saturn is 6.7 minutes and the transit time to capture at Proxima Centauri is 5.2 months. The assumed effective speed of 10c is not necessary an upper limit on the idea of a space warp and the effective speed could just as well have been assumed to be 50c or 100c. It should also be noted that effective space warp velocities below 1c may still be of significant interest. Recall that the transit speed for the fusion propulsion system was stated to be a peak cruise velocity of 0.05c. What if one could achieve 0.5c? While this would result in transit times measured in years, it is still a significant improvement on the transit time for the fusion propulsion system.
>>16796622Even with negative mass, Alcubierre metrics and drives don't move.
>>16796628well yes they travel without movement by definition
Fresh Thunderf00t s33the
>>16796628Yes because only the ultra-basic fixed-velocity metrics have even been modelled. Recent papers have proposed metrics that can change velocity.
>>16796622This is what the tic tacs use BTW so we know for a fact this is possible
>>16796579Many interstellar probes using ion engines have been studied. See the TAU mission study. 20 AU per year for 1000 AU in 50 years isn't bad. Gets you out to the Solar Focus and somewhere Ort Cloud adjacent. However, still would take millennia to get to the nearest stars.
>>16796630>>16796634No. No relative change in position to other objects takes place. The only thing that actually changes is the local progression of time. An Alcubierre drive on Earth will stay exactly where it is on Earth.
>>16796637>The only thing that actually changes is the local progression of time.No because there's no time dilation involved in warp bubble travel. 5 months ship time will be 5 months Earth time, so 5 seconds hyperfast zooming in Earths atmosphere from 40,000ft to 90,000ft will be seen as 5 seconds to every outside observerWhich is why I'm starting to turn around on this >>16796635 despite initially dismissing it, it might be our tech though, don't think its the ayys
>>16796637>The only thing that actually changes is the local progression of timeThis is categorically wrong, regardless of whether or not alcubierre bubbles are possible.There is no time dilation at the the location of the ship, the metric is flat.
>>16796635That's also why they are white during the day, and glow at night. The warp bubble glows brightly (regrettable waste of energy but what can you do)
>>16796643Would allow it to easily travel underwater too and underwater is a great place to hide.... shit why is this all starting to make sense I really had dismissed the tic tacs before
>>16796639>No because there's no time dilation involved in warp bubble travel. 5 months ship time will be 5 months Earth time, so 5 seconds hyperfast zooming in Earths atmosphere from 40,000ft to 90,000ft will be seen as 5 seconds to every outside observerThis is literally the same as just traveling at relativistic speed.>>16796641You wish you were right.
>>16796645>every theoretical physicist who says warp travel does not involve time dilation as you are just manipulating your crafts position in space is wrongsure
>>16796017he's not wrong, monterrey is a shithole
>>16796496No it's a nosecone
>>16796570Lasers for micro sailcraft. Antimatter generation ships for humans. Until Eric Weinstein finally proves pinch to zoom.
>>16796639>it might be our tech thoughSome of it absolutely could be black tech by skunkworks and the like. For example there is a compelling case that the phoenix lights incident was actually a test of a secret spy blimp.However, there were reports going back to the 1940s 50's and 60's of things flying around going 10000mph+ on radar. There are even news articles from that era which talk about flying butane tanks. I seriously doubt we or anyone else had warp drives back in the 50s>>16796643>that's why they glowmore than likely yes. the glow is a byproduct of the propulsion. you also have some people who think it might be blueshifting light, which is why they also seem to be very radioactive at times resulting in documented radiation burns
>>16796653I'm of the opinion that none of the pre-2000's stuff was legit it was either mistaking weather/spy balloons for legit flying saucers or them also messing with radar, etc.. I think there was a breakthrough made around the 2000's which matches when reports of tic-tacs in the air and traveling underwater around military training zones started to surface, which would indicate spooks doing spooky shit in waters that are relatively isolated but close by and trolling our forces as a bonusAlso the alternative explanation is all these new sensors/FLIRs/etc recently installed at around that time too just bugging out and glitching but that wouldn't explain the dipping underwater sightings by sailors.
>>16796656You have people like Hermann Oberth who would talking about these sightings and taking them seriously even back then. I'm not so sure everything pre 2000 can be chocked up to misidentifications. Either way it's encouraging to think that FTL, or at least propellant-less drives, are possible. Colonizing the stars won't stay a dream forever. We will figure it out eventually, whether it's ours or not.
>>16796656Might as well believe in little green men at roswell and faked moon landings on sound stages. Fuck off with the tictac discussion it’s schizo ramblings
>>16796660they are NOT green
>>16796660>might as well believe No I won't just cause I find the tic-tac's the least bit plausible or at least worth further consideration doesn't mean I also believe in ayy lmaos or moon landing hoax theories, that's such black and white thinking.
>>16796660glad you don't think for yourself. Let me guess you're also a reddit atheist because science has solved everything
I hate how schizo /sfg/ has gotten recently too. We really need to be more drastic with bans.
>>16796602your mom [math]\unicode{x1F923}[/math]
>>16796674>BANNED: For scientific wrongthinkWonderful idea anon.
>>16796622>the transit time to capture at Proxima Centauri is 5.2 months.Damn, these things suck.
>>16796273
>>16796677Keep in mind that's only 10c did you read the full paragraph, nothing stopped the warp drive from potentially reaching 500c, which would be Proxima Centauri in what a couple days? Mindblowing to think about, but space is so fuckhueg big that we should be able to travel from one side of the galaxy to the other in a few days, and then to other galaxies which might still take a few weeks to the nearest ones idk the intergalactic distances
>>16796676it is the easiest solution.
>>16796680For a coward
What makes people like this?>One statement in the article needs a little clarification:>"This so-called “quasi-moon” isn’t a true moon or a mini-moon, because it orbits the Sun rather than our planet.">Our Moon also orbits the Sun rather than the Earth, in the sense that its orbit is always concave towards the Sun--in other words, the pull of the Sun's gravity on the Moon is always stronger than the pull of the Earth's gravity, so the Moon's net acceleration due to gravity is always towards the Sun.>Our Moon's orbit is of course much more closely tied to the Earth's than 2005 PN7, but one still has to be careful about exactly how that works.
>>16796684it's true
Soon we won't need be needing RTG's in deep space....
>>16796684
>>16796684This is retarded.>erm ackshully the orbit of all of the planets, moons, and the sun are all concave towards the galactic center>THEREFORE, everything in the solar system should be considered quasi-rogue
>>16796686This isn't by that EM drive guy is it? He's a quack.
>>16796686not real
>>16796674Generals are the vacant lots of social media. All the forum trash gets dumped in them.
>>16796699No this is Sonny White's work https://www.casimirspace.com/techBasically they're using the casimir effect to get electrons quantum tunneling into a pillar in between the two plates that then creates electricity, its legit and looks like it will change power generation forever. Power straight out of the quantum vacuum.
>>16796273whats the problem with dreamchaser? it looks like a great alternative to starliner.
>>16796703It's funny cause this is the first "quantum" anything tech that is actually legit and will work and is not a scam but there's been so many of those that convincing the public will be hard, he went on Joe Rogan recently too I guess to get the word outAlso mentions something about this effect being used to create stable warp bubbles, so they could potentially solve power generation and space travel at once eventually
>>16796700ZPE tapping is something very serious people are looking into, not just the free energy conspiritards.>>16796703yeah he is the EM drive guy. Eric Davis is a leader in ZPE exploration and he said in an interview that sonny is bullshiting.
>>16796707>yeah he is the EM drive guy.He's not doing that anymore it seems, this Casimir looks like a legit company that is now promoting itself before releasing their first product next year, he apparently left NASA Eagleworks (don't think it even exists anymore) for this so idk I don't see how this is bullshitting, you're saying ZPE is more real than this? That sounds like bullshit, I'd be interested to hear his arguments anyways
>>16796645>5 months ship time will be 5 months Earth time>This is literally the same as just traveling at relativistic speed.Your mom either took too much tylenol, or not enough
>>16796686Why not power everything with these?
>>16796708wait a min, ZPE and whatever Casimir are doing is the same thing, both are exploiting the Casimir force for energy generation so to speak, I don't see where the difference lies
>>16796703>Sonny WhiteKing grifter
>>16796708At least talk about someone who has a published paper and results as opposed to someone who is clearly a grifter.https://journals.aps.org/prresearch/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevResearch.3.L022007
>>16796602Maybe you should[math]\text{READ THE STICKY}[/math]
>>16796717idk anything about this until recently, apparently theres a whole fucking world of people trying to exploit the casimir effect and even the quantum drive by IVO in space right now is also using it or something like it for propellantless propulsion, its interesting how these things collideOh shit if the IVO drive works... and its also exploiting the casimir effect/ZPE then in one go you basically have your reactionless space drive and the means to power it in deep space, (they seem to require very low voltages) that would be really exciting ngl
>>16796723if you have a quantum throoster you can just slap it onto a generator and generate electricity. All roads lead to infinite free energy****** we don't actually know if there is a cost yet and there probably is******
>>16796723aaand now its all sounding too good to be true desu, will remain skeptical until we see actual results (infinite power generation) and (confirmed propellantless propulsion)
>>16796685Is it practically relevant?
>>16796495Looks like that Ocean Gate submarine
>Froning and Roach (2002)[263] put forward a paper that builds on the work of Puthoff, Haisch and Alcubierre. They used fluid dynamic simulations to model the interaction of a vehicle (like that proposed by Alcubierre) with the zero-point field. Vacuum field perturbations are simulated by fluid field perturbations and the aerodynamic resistance of viscous drag exerted on the interior of the vehicle is compared to the Lorentz force exerted by the zero-point field (a Casimir-like force is exerted on the exterior by unbalanced zero-point radiation pressures). They find that the optimized negative energy required for an Alcubierre drive is where it is a saucer-shaped vehicle with toroidal electromagnetic fields. The EM fields distort the vacuum field perturbations surrounding the craft sufficiently to affect the permeability and permittivity of space. back to the tic-tacs
>>16796495you will love the KEKPOD
>>16796739fuck you, filters
>>16796738no-communication theorem
>>16796741Explain?
>>16796741Blow it out your ass
>>16796726>we don't actually know if there is a cost yet and there probably is******The cost is that you gradually make the universe expand faster and faster as you drain the vacuum
>>16796738Every time you say zero-point your credibility gets reduced by 90%
>>16796741Deprecated
>>16796726I feel like it's probably just equivalent to scooping some water out of the ocean with a cup.You get some energy out of the effectively unlimited supply, the waste heat fucks off as background radiation, bada bing, bada boom, no problem. Get a little overzealous in one spot? Whoops, black hole. Oh well, no muss no fuss.
>>16796738I don't want to fly around like a gay little tictac though. I want our ships to look like starships, cruising majestically through space
>>16796757that energy has to end up back in the vacuum eventually somehow or another. either that or it ablates away mass thru hawking radiation type effects and your infinite energy device eats itself alive
sigh...sfg - /schizo fantasies general/
>>16796754ok I will just say its very interesting how they put out that paper in 2002 and the first "tic-tac" sighting off Southern California was in 2004https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy#Space_travel_and_gravitational_shieldinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos#BackgroundI'm not some UFO nutter either I'm actively trying to disprove the tic-tacs and ZPE shit but having a hard time of it the more I dig into it
>>16796759highly redshifted photons just sneak back into the quantum vacuum when nobody's looking
>>16796758I used to care but atp don't care, whatever gets us most efficiently to all these star systems is what matters most, so sacrifice the space travel romanticism for maximum space travel efficiency with a bonus of no time dilation.It would also let us be able to come up with and explore all sorts of fun new scientific experiments like what happens if you speed a tic-tac craft into a blackhole
>>16796752no>>16796750no>>16796756please collect your Nobel at the door if you have a solution
>>16796762you're a schizo fucktard, go watch Mick Westgod this general is going down the shitter, fastgb2/x/>>16796760I'm pulling my fucking hair out rn
>>16796769>go watch Mick Westpffft hahahaha
>>16796769>go watch Mick WestI'll check him out see if he has good counterarguments>you're a schizo fucktardno I'm not, just curious
>>16796771yes you are. you are not using critical thinking>>16796770die
I really really want to lock up all schizos, they're ruining the goddamn internet more than anything else.>>16796770fuck offfffffffffff
>>16796772>you are not using critical thinkingIn what way? You mean dismissing it all as pseudoscience and "schizo shit" outright? That's not really critical thinking just being closed-minded
>>16796774don't you fucking JAQ off in my fucking /sfg/ schizo fuckerleave
no-communication theorem
>>16796775JAQing off is for those who've already made up their minds and are trying to argue their pov but skirting around it, I'm not doing that just sharing my curiosity
>>16796778>just sharing my curiosityof schizo retard slop? ahahahahaha you're a lost fucking cause kid
gonna be real embarrassing for mick westers when it turns out all this shit was real all along.
might as well come here asking about astrology
>>16796780what, Batman balloons? Bokeh?Starlink trains?Commercial planes?yes those are alllllll realllll
>>16796784I get even madder at ai slop ahhh you're goi ng to give me an aneurysm lol
>interstellar travel with ion drivewhy would you torture yourself like this
>>16796786surperior ISPIES!
>>16796785oh you'll love this then
>>16796786ion drive is the most efficient propulsion know>inb4 beamed propulsionthat's sci-fi slop
>>16796769>I'm pulling my fucking hair out rnKeep seething, maybe this general will change to your liking if you seethe enough
>>16796793sorry that I'm not a retard like you, I guess?
>>16796794But you are a retard who throws a melty at the slightest of fringe spaceflight discussion apparently
>>16796795fringe is solar sails or like RotaryRocket.Not literal, actual, fucking stupid-ass /x/ SLOP. Reconsider your existence.
>>16796796fucking solar sails and rotary rocket are your threshold for fringe? lmao that explains so much, jesus fucking christ
>>16796797get fucked schizo pick a different board to troll
>>16795323Ah yes, the 2011 Redditor. The quirk chungus millennial. The democratic socialist atheist.
>>16795314holy crapola you are so right. we went into iraq because of oil! i almost thought it was to destabilize and neutralize israel's regional adversaries, woopsie
>>16796800Not trolling to discuss speculative spaceflight theories no matter how desperately you want it to be
>>16795448does he not know that CAD schematics dont tell you shit about a final manufactured product? there's a thing called trade secrets and institutional knowledge that's documented in manufacturing processes, not the 3d model. the more he talks the more retarded I realize he is. no wonder he went bankrupt
>>16795479he shit on spacex too. dude is crashing out
What's the point of NTR if this thing cant even carry 100 tons of LH2 before being volume constrained, what good is twice the isp if you have not even half the fuel
>>16796674we're in /sci/ of course we only have schizos in love with their pet theories. You think sane people post here?
>>16795506seems unsafe. one little hole then boom. wouldnt it be better to start with multiple smaller purpose-built volumes? something modular and scalable
>>16796810:(
>>16795516Indeed. It is a concept born out of the oldspace mindset, where they are assuming a prohibitively high cost per kg. If the space shuttle could reach the moon, they would be conceiving habitats out of that too. They cant conceive being able to get the billions in funding for a second rocket, let alone for a one off habitat. Their brain cant comprehend the hundreds of ships that will instead be spammed during the moonar Starship campaign. We must spam habitats too, until they can be built in situ.
>>16795506Isnt it like 900 cubic kilometers now? elon lied, fanboys crid
>>16795507>You cant just go to Mars! You need to understand it will be TOO HARD SO JUST DONT EVEN GO OK???? SHEEEESHWhat are they so afraid of?
>>16795518Kek
>>16795536Earth-Moona is actualy a binary-planetary system >>16795587this
>>16795519wouldnt mind getting my cock cleaned by a nerdy jpl hag
>>16796780Real bull shit all along
>>16796809>NTRpointless the shielding needed eliminates the ISP gain. It's not worth it over cheap in orbit refilling. The ideal situation is you have mars and moon cyclers that the starships link up with. then you dont need a dozen refueling flights for every mission.>>16796814it doesn't matter what the internal volume is. no one is going to be retarded enough to actually do that over just deploying an inflatable habitat.
>>16796586based TMBG enjoyer
>>16796129gonna need to put that shit on the radio with proximity tracking
>>16796622This will never exist btw
>>16796651Antimatter is not real btw
>>16796767Black holes aren't real btw
>>16796846>>16796848>>16796851ur gay btw
>>16796848How do PET scans work?
>>16796851Black nigger ass holes (You) are very real
>>16796458solar concentrator shining on a fullerene brickyeah I did just solve all your inner system transport needsyou're welcome
>>16796553Business idea: SpaceX Car wash
>>16796827You still need to perform the exact same delta-v maneuver to catch up with and depart the cycler. Cyclers are just so you can pack passengers into your starship like sardines, then let people spread out on the cycler, to lower per-person costs. They don't save you any fuel.
>>16795540>EVROPA>PLUTOMake up your mind
sfg est mort(miss you dad)
Is there a reason why nobody but absolute cranks and quacks are talking about 3I/Atlas right now? Last I saw, it was getting unexpectedly brighter but still following a well confined ballistic trajectory. Any word on what it's shedding to be brighter?
germoney to drop $41 billion over the next 4 years of space defense projects>"We are strengthening our systems against disruptions and attacks," Pistorius said, explicitly pointing to "cybersecurity for all space systems.">Pistorius said the goal is to establish a resilient system consisting of satellites, ground stations, secure launch capabilities and related services. The investments are to guarantee "both protection and effectiveness.">"Russia and China have in recent years rapidly expanded their capabilities for conducting warfare in space," the German defense minister said. "They can disrupt, jam, manipulate or even physically destroy satellites.">Pistorius pointed out that two IntelSat satellites used by the German military are currently being shadowed by Russian reconnaissance satellites, while China is carrying out highly agile proximity manoeuvres that could be likened to aerial combat exercises in space. >Satellite networks, he cautioned, are an Achilles' heel of modern societies: "Anyone who attacks them can paralyze entire states."https://www.dw.com/en/germany-updates-berlin-vows-billions-in-space-defense-to-counter-russia-china/live-74128924
>>16796639>5 seconds hyperfast zooming in Earths atmosphere from 40,000ft to 90,000ftThat doesn't sound good for the ship or anything anywhere near its path.
>>16796924The ship is fine. As for the humans, fuck em
>>16796915Surprisingly lucid take from the germs. Now here's hoping that money goes to something useful and not publicity projects or corruption. Lol as if.
>>16796915Sehr gut.
>>16796915*yawn* unless nations start making direct energy defenses for their satellites, you can count this stuff as just trying to grab headlines
>>16796704it doesn't work
>>16796310heh, sure bro lmao
>>16796370focusing on what matters I see
>>16796310inshallah they will taste my shoe!t. chris al-kempami
>>16796805talking about UFOs, propellantless drives and infinite free energy are not fringe as much as they are completely outside the paradigm of physics i.e. pseudosciencefringe would be actually theoretically physically possible without reworking all of physics but still on the theoretical stage from an engineering perspective such as orion drives or magnetic sail soaringif the shit isn't even grounded in physics then whats the point in talking about it? its like speculating about the existence of machine elves in the noosphere or santa clauses antigravity reindeers
What does Mr. Kemp even do when the astra house of cards eventually falls down? Does he tuck his tail between his legs and try to go get a job at firefly or rocket lab?
>>16796813yes, stop thinking about one-off specialized hardware mass optimized for 10 years and start thinking about something akin to mass manufactured containerized material being shipped with massive vessels (Starship)mass will matter, but it won't be the number one restraint anymore
>>16796889well compared to sending multiple starships with people that aren't packed like sardines, yes you do
>>16797023seems like he won't stop, astra has failed multiple times already
>>16797022"propellantless" drive should be possible in the sense that you could theoretically just yank some particles out of the void somehow and throw them away. probably cost more energy than it's worth thoughperpetuum mobile not so much
>>16795540The sizes are wrong too. Ganymede and Titan are 1,000km smaller than Mars in diameter, Io isn't anywhere near that big, and Pluto is much smaller than Europa and the Moon. What retard made this image?
>>16797039Such a system would only work if there's a universal reference frame such that particles get harder and harder to extract as you gain speed with respect to that frame Like propelling yourself against the aether
>>16797048I probably don't understand enough physics to know what you mean?if I make the false vacuum wiggle just so, I can get a massy particleif I then accelerate that particle, that's called thrust
>>16797054If you can keep extracting particles with the same energy input forever, you can accelerate to any speed with a constant input of energy, but your kinetic energy will go up by the square of your velocity. So you'll be getting free energy To avoid this, there needs to be a universal background frame for the vacuum that makes it harder and harder to extract particles, as you approach cSo it would be like using a jet engine with the vacuum as a medium
>>16796212>starship HLS already has a pressurized volume for the crew that is *rated* to be pressurized. If you want to use your starship as a lunar base you can just use thatthat's my pointit's already thereI mean the tank section at the back is not human rated, but there's nothing preventing anyone from testing it and giving it a ratingmeanwhile, there's no inflatable hab that has a crew rating so I don't see how that's any better alternative>there is very little carbonyou can just import carbon, steel has fuckall carbon in the actual alloy100 tons of steel = 100 tons of steel when recycled100 tons of carbon = up to 100000 tons of steel (USS Nimitz worth) if you get the iron from regolithyou don't even need to import it as coke - if you import 1 ton of wheat (for example), you import 500kg of bonded carbon that you can recycle into steel once people eat it. >I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or what.I am, to a pointit's easier to recycle than than make new steel from scratchbut recycle only if the structure is compromised and can't be re-used in any better ways (such as gas/liquid storage or airtight workshop/living space)>>16796181>there is no seamless way to tear into a starshipjust add sealed flange between crew compartment and the tanksstep 1) vent the remaining fuel step 2) undue the boltsstep 3) move the equipment insideor instead of flanges, cut it open from inside with blowtorch>it won't take 2 months to inflate a habitatunless you plan on inventing inflatable toilets, inflatable computers and inflatable ECLSS, you will also take about 2 months to turn your glorified airtight circus tent into something useful
>>16797061>unless you plan on inventing inflatable toiletsI might just do that
Nuclear Thermal or Nuclear Electric?
>>16797073Nuclear pulse
>>16797073VASIMR
How do you cope about having to wait until March 2026 for the next shitship launch? 6 months of no cope while Neutron flies flawlessly and new Glenn takes the top spot from Falcon 9 as best operational rocket with a recoverable boost stage. Elmos lie-Empire is collapsing..
Muskfans will transition and dilate while bezoschads will stay winning forever. Art 3 will be fulfilled by BO lunar landers.
>>16797081fusion vasimr
>>16797089Partially reusable Starship with 10m fairing. NOW.
>>16797089Flight 11 will be in December at the latest and the super secret N2 forums or whatever the fuck they call themselves can suck it. Pad 2 is ready, everyone who says they are still building it is just copingJanuary/February for ship catch
>>16797094>Flight 11Flight 12*
>>16797073nuclear electric (might be shit too)
nuclear methane
>>16797098Lol yup my thoughts right now too. If we can’t get nuclear pulse a la orion or medusa, seems like nuclear electric might be it… question mark
>>16797073Pulsed Solid-core NTR
>>16797073Interstellar Medium Hydrogen Scoop
>>16797111I think more refined modern measurements have shown it’s too tenuous to try and ram & scoop fuel from interstellar space, even in denser areas
>>16797115once you get up to relativistic speeds its no problem
its over...we've been deboonked...https://youtu.be/a0Tcy8HF5Bs?si=QrKP9BBIuBWSMuZr
>>16797121Hate this guy and his videos so much it makes thunderfoot seem likeable
>>16797123lol
>During reentry, the ablative material decomposes and emits gases. These were intended to dissipate through the porous heat shield. However, during Artemis I—which carried no astronauts—the gases built up more rapidly than expected, and these pressures liberated chunks of the heat shield. After studying and testing the problem, NASA engineers decided that if they modified Orion's reentry path, they could create an environment in which the gases did not build up as much.>"The confidence we have in Artemis II is built upon numerous tests over the course of a couple of years," said Rick Henfling, Artemis II entry flight director. "I have the utmost confidence" in the engineers who performed this analysis, he added.trust me bro
>>16797126*names the next one Integrity*
>>16797127>loss of integrity on the heat shield of Integrity
>>16797127it’s short for “Prayer for Heat Shield Integrity”
>>16797121>real engineeringI remember the time he posted a puff piece for nikola like the day before it was revealed to be a scam and the next day he told everyone in the comments talking about it to fuck off lol.
10 days NET until launch 11
>>16797126>>16797127>>16797130>>16797129Funny how you jackasses never shut up about Orion heat shield experiencing an anomaly (within safe limits btw) where the crew would have been safe after an otherwise perfect flight, yet you are silent when starships fucking explode 4 times in a row, the same vehicle which is meant to land humans on the moon in *checks notes* NEXT YEAR...
>>16797133yes, starship is being extensively tested, thats goodOrion almost blows up and then they just basically ignore it and are going to put people on it anywayyou don't see the problem here?
>>16797121insufferable thumbnail, not clicking,, sick of seeing his stupid face, blocked his channel
>>16797133Gonna cry? Gb2r
>>16797136it didnt almost blow up, it wasnt even close...it just didnt perform as well as expected so they did comprehensive testing for years because NASA are so super reluctant to have the slightest chance to kill more people aft the shuttle arc
>>16797121I fucking hate how this guy puts "NUCLEAR ENGINEER" in the title of all of his videos like having the degree is something special.t. NUCLEAR ENGINEER
lolhttps://x.com/alexanderj91756/status/1971508045760098567
>>16797151ah always management fucking it up, sadge
>>16797147this is true actually. they still took too long about fixing it though. should have had a couple boilerplate tests and got shit fixed.
>STARSHIP FLIGHT 11: 1 Week Delay - the @USCG Local Notice to Mariners (NOTMAR) now starts No Earlier Than October 13, at 18:15 CDT (23:15 UTC)it's over, start doomering
>>16797156still TWO WEEKS
>>1679715625 flights though, trust the plan
Ngl this would be pretty comfy
FUCK YOU IDIOT ELON
>>16797166T---TIC-TAC!!!
>>16797133>yet you are silent when starships fucking explode 4 times in a rowQuit making shit up faggot, nobody is "silent" about that, in fact anons never shut the fuck up about it.
>>16797158ha, remember that.
>>16796818>A binary planet is a double planet system where two celestial bodies of similar mass orbit a common center of mass (barycenter) located outside of both objects. So no, Earth Moon is not a binary planet.
What does /sfg/ think of him?
>>16797181I don't know who that is, nor do I care to find out.
>>16797121>si=
>>16797131he's a real prick and definitely has anti-SpaceX bias of sorts (cuz Elon)
>>16797181he platformed (((zach weinersmith))), he gets immediately thrown in the trashhe's anti martian settlement
>>16797193>he's anti martian settlementReally?
>>16797194definitely a planetary protectionist type I think
>>16797181PICKLE HEAD.
>>16797191>(cuz Elon)instantly red flag. anyone who can't think properly because of how chelon crusk is a heckin nazi etc doesn't really need listening to.
https://x.com/AlexanderJ91756/status/1971508045760098567
>>16797181>WE NEE O TALKWhat?
RCS engines in KSA. You'll be able to design your own variants, choosing from one of the frames and adding as many nozzles as you desire.
>>16797181literally canadian and a web developer (who managed to destroy his own website)
>>16797231>literally canadianhow horrifying
>>16797147Among outer things, and there were many, there were major failures in both independent RCS systems. That's not good.
>>16797228Can I make a penis RCS to go with my penis rocket?
>>16797258Launches from pen island
>>16795964if a naked human adult body deorbited from LEO would it entirely burn up or would some smoking bones hit the ground?
>>16795510it secures well-paying jobs to 400+ congressional districts though
>>16797258I'll be making sure you have some stiff competition
>>16796120this, Bluetooth exists
>>16797228>realistic planet style>restock parts styleWhy
>>16797318Bluetooth doesn't work without an atmosphere
>>16797258Can I penis a penis RCS to go with my penis penis?
>>16797321?
>>16796110radio headset proximity sensor
>>16796120>go to the moon>lunar base has smoke detectors, very sensible>lunar base also has black astronauts>constant beeping broadcast to every person on the moon 24/7, forever
>>16797329https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLvqxwhZvQ8
>>16797283we should test this. my hypothesis is that the nuke scene from Terminator 2 would be as nothing compared to it.
>>16797340>we should test this.this should be the death penalty for anti space libshits
>>16797346and unrepentant flat earthers and moonlanding deniers.
>>16797362moon landing deniers are harmless retards. no one important takes them seriously. the kind of people I'm talking about will actively go out of there way to keep humanity from expanding out into the stars because it's perpetuating colonialism or some gay shit like that
>>16796110I'm sure if you make the beeping loud enough you'll be able to hear it through the vacuum
>>16797329>>16797333>chirping>on the moonis this what they mean by moon crickets?
>>16797206Apparently the only time management at Sierra hasn't been asleep at the wheel is when it's time to fire people. There have been a lot of stories floating around about managers being completely absent when it came to setting goals or providing direction for the engineering teams, and there's a constant churn of reorganization that left everyone not knowing what they were supposed to be doing, who they were supposed to be reporting to, or even if they were still going to be employed month to month. Complete circus.
>>16797228Hearing about this game is just depressing. It makes me sad becuase it came too late. My youth is gone and I will never have the time or youthful optimism to enjoy it.
>>16797369while your point as great merit im still bullish on the previously stated policy
>>16797389All it takes to crush a flat earther's beliefs is to take them to space.Anti spacers will never change no matter how much time passes. They make the same retarded arguments they did over 50 years ago. They will continue making the same retarded arguments 50 years from now.
>>16797409>that picI fucking hate NAGGERS!
>>16797453Trillions spent on helping africa and what do they have to show for it? but of course throwing more money at it will solve the problem!
>>16797319I don't know how KSA will turn out but anytime somebody tries to go for "realistic" in KSP mods it just looks like this. Stylized graphics always work better, even in otherwise realistic games.
>>16797073Thermal. Electric doesn't work because you need a billion radiators to cool your reactor
>>16797477KSP mods are great at making planets look insanely realistic. But yeah I think there’s a polygon limit to ships or something because you can always juuuuust tell it’s KSP
>>16797481Nuclear thermal is gay and cringe
>>16797482That's true for planets, I'm talking about ships specifically. Like the mods you used to get in 2014 (FASA and such) would always try to look realistic and it just looked like ass because it involved slapping a HD photo texture onto a low poly model. Maybe it'd look better in a newer engine but restock style parts are already proven to look really good so I don't mind KSA going for that.
>>16797481>Electric doesn't work because you need a billion radiators to cool your reactorcooling the reactor is the easy part, actually
>>16797477That cow is KINO as fuck though.
>>16797108my man. keep spreading the word
So will Mars have a Venusville or not? How are you going to get miners/construction workers there to build the damn place for the colonist families that follow if not?
>>16797321kek, I love tardposting on /sfg/
>>16797303>ribbed rocketincredible. Musk should hire this anon.
I found a think I bet /sfg/ would likehttps://theadventuresofstarman.com/adventures-of-starman/
>>16797562wrong starman
>>16797181Generally a decent source of more obscure space news and interviews.Kind of an idiot given he fucked up his website then saved over his backup.
>>16797073>>16797481Eager fucked up the math in his NEP video with regard to how much radiator is needed.
>>16797585>Eager fucked up the mathWhat's new? Eager larper is for low IQ idiots who don't know how much of a clown he is.
>>16797582The lengths to which boomers go just to avoid using git
Elmo is back to puffing up Orange ManDoes this mean we may yet see Jared as NASA administrator?https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1971477210231095740
>>16797591no lol. also is a pedo supporter now with no morals.while pretending to care so much about the children.least hypocritical nu-right ziocuck
>>16797591I still member the melty, this is all theatrics and the common man will be benefited in no way whatsoever
WTF, ELON IS A MONSTERhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/otu56li5FNc
>>16797604as opposed to importing 4 trillion somalis, which benefits the common man immensely
>>16797617Your whataboutisms have nothing to do with tyelonol musk’s self-centered antics and lack of focus on space
It's uphttps://youtu.be/X6JfbfmvgMo
>>16797622Buy an ad, nigger
>>16797409>All it takes to crush a flat earther's beliefs is to take them to space.exactly. once chance to orbit then its airlock time.
>>16797618If you don't want whataboutisms then don't post pointless thought terminating cliches. A space-focused apolitical musk might've meant a kamala victory and starbase getting shut down over beetles and deluge water because leftoids hate space.
total ufoschizo death
if this casimir effect free energy shit turns out to be real im gonna be pissed cause i brought a lot of natural gas stocks fairly recently and i don't want to lose all that money when the energy market crashes because it turns out free electricity is trivial to make>>16797596aren't UTIs and bone density loss more common in women on earth too?
>>16797633just sell high. whats so hard about that?
>>16797628Thought there was a no /pseudo/ in /sci/ rule, but guess not. Sad now.
any update on the schizodrive?
>>16797639Las Cruces NM… good food there
Ursa Major is now making liquid fueled missiles.https://www.twz.com/air/angry-tortoise-liquid-fueled-hypersonic-missile-in-development-for-usafhttps://www.flightglobal.com/defence/propulsion-start-up-ursa-major-wins-35m-order-for-new-draper-engine/164556.article>the 4,000-pound-thrust-class Draper rocket motor, a closed-cycle hydrogen peroxide-kerosene design
>>16797643Someone correct me if I’m wrong but this has got to be like the one thing where Solids actually make the most sense. Right?I can even see a case, maybe, for big liquid ICBMs if you can figure out rapid fueling and launch preparedness. Little liquid missiles seems dumb though
>>16797642Great little New Mexico town back when. Don't know what it's like now, after decades of an open border and narco traffic.
>>16797643seems like the inevitable fate for all of the failed small launchers is to make missiles. reverse von braun effect>>16797641last I heard it was operational and they were looking to do long duration burns soon.
>>16797645It mainly depends on how quick your response time has to be.No liquid fueled missile can match a solids response time. But if you are say, an air launched stand off weapon then being fueled beforehand is reasonable (and you get a missile with much better performance).
>>16797649"operational" as in the conditions are right for them to test it, or "operational" in the sense that it actually fucking works?
>>16797649Ursa Major was never a launch company.
>>16797653the latter obviously as otherwise you would have seen it in the news.If the big mike drive actually works then everyone here has to shut up and take the tic tac pill
>>16797633Synthetic natural gas is already cheaper to make than fracking natural gas.Bad long term investment
>>16797658May i see the syngas plant that undercuts fracking wells?
>>16797653lol
>>16797658Are you, by chance, retarded?
>>16797662>>16797666Seethe.
>>16797321based knower
>>16797674We solved the energy crisis, I read about it on the blog!
>>16797677If he doesn't succeed someone else will.The concept is sound, intermittent energy is essentially free so its obviously gonna work
>>16797680It’s powered by casimir plates and dorito antigravity tech trust me bro
>>16797674They don't have an operational plant yet.Terraformer mark one target is 2x market price of natural gas.If you have a timeline when they expect cost parity you can provide it. But it sure as hell isn't now.
>>16797684>carbonn captureWhy dont they just use bioreactors to produce biogas and then bioreactors to produce pure methane from the biogas
>>16797643The grift is unbelievable and Trump/Golden Dome is just making more of these guys rich.
>>16797695if golden dome supports a propellant reserve in orbit then it's totally worth it.
>>16797690With what biological material? It doesn't scale as well. The mad lad wants terawatt range scaling.
>>16797690you need a feedstock for that, this would only need space for solar panels + water (and some water can be taken from the air depending on where it is)
>>16797684>mark one target is 2x market price of natural gasso it's apparent to everyone but the most deluded where the ball is rolling.
>>16797674Never forget. This gooner wants Tim Dodd and a SpaceX employee to do a naked photoshoot and fuck on camera
>>16797690because it's way more expensive than just intermittent solar without any batteries.just the panels which can be made arbitrarily cheap with volume.
>>16797699>solarOk but really just plop an SMR or something there and run it 24/7 instead of using solar and batteries? Seems silly to rely on solar for something that clearly benefits from an uninterrupted steady power supply
>>16797706no batteries, just solar and then run the system intermittentlythey are trying to optimize for total system cost being as low as possible, not 24/7 operation
>>16797706the whole point of gooner handjobs solar machine is because he thinks solar will become much much cheaper than any other energy source.
>>16797702He is mini-Musk in spirit. 4th kid already on the way. With a smart woman to boot.
https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-and-prince-andrew-named-in-latest-epstein-files-release-13438742it's over
>>16797713Seems like a good guy but he copies musk to the point of being goofy. I bet he would be the wokest antinatalist democrat ever of Musk was too.
>>16797716Hate to say it but I really don’t care much about the morality of my space heroes. Early NASA astronauts cheated on their wives. Von Braun was a nazi. Falcon 9 / FH alone are enough for me to pretty much forgive elon for anything kek.
>>16797716its a nothingburger, musk has said that epstein invited him numerous times to the island and he declined
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1971681164248470018
>>16797725buthe did do "kung-fu lessons" paid for by ghislaine on the mainland.
>>16797722Yeah he's a big big fan of Elon and as far as I can tell hasn't deployed a prototype terraformer in the field yet.Which both makes me sceptical
>>16797712>>16797709intermittency makes solar relatively more expensive though? SMRs absolutely will be cost competitive if you factor in constant supply
>>16797728>JeetDesigner shitter screenshotface the wall
>>16797730yes ghislaine and epstein did try to entrap as many rich and influential people as possible, they were intelligence
>>16797734no? the oppositeif you can handle the intermittency then its very cheapthe big problem with solar is intermittency which has to be mitigated with batteries or overbuilding in most cases, but if you don't need to care about that then you don't need to do those things
So it's Aliums after all.
For those interested in /sci/ divegrass, the roster thread is now up >>16797747
>>16797742I'm the resident ufo schizo of the thread and even I'm extremely skeptical of atlas being anything other than a funky comet. Do you *really* think aliens who have craft capable of pulling 10000g maneuvers and moving at mach 350 are going to come here on a slow imitation comet?It's nonsense. Just a comet likely a planet that blew up or something.
>>16797740It depends on the cost of your load $/kwThat decides what uptime % is optimal when solar powered.So very cheap electrolyzer that's just wires going in a box without even a transformer means almost no batteries is best
>>16797754This stuff could have some merit, but every single time a UFO video gets released it's always obviously a slow moving object, either bird or balloon, that the pilots are mistaking for some fast moving object because of the parralax as their jet moves quickly relative to the object. That one video of the reaper drone shooting down that "UAP" near yemen was a humiliation ritual. Wasted over 100k shooting an obvious balloon which deflated like a balloon when the missile flew right through it.
>>16797695Okay anon now you get to tell us why Ursa Major are grifters.
>>16797782this study was done directly with the radar data iirc.
>>16797716This is like lefties clinging to Trump commuting between NY and Florida a couple times on Epstein's plane (because they are losing on all fronts and need a distraction).
"Not Clickbait!"
>>16797791Trump for sure fucked some underage girls provided by Epstein the way he's been overtly trying to memoryhole it
>>16797792this image radiates curry aroma through the screen
>>16797750love that pic. very nice
>>16797797why would trump want to release this when he never released his fucking tax returns
>>16797499I didn't say it was technically hard.
https://x.com/davill/status/1971697335882469451>BE-7 vacuum test. Engine in flight configuration with flight pumps, tank head start, and spark igniter.>We’re currently hot-firing this engine five times a day. Full flow closed expander, specific impulse 460 seconds.>Next stop, the Moon.
>>16797392What's happening with that river(?) and why is it so green?Like is it low and there's fresh foliage growing in on the river bed or is that a ton of algae growing on the surface?
>>16797852you can see it's floating plants on the water if you zoom in
>>16797852mix of algae and an invasive plant species
>>16797852>What's happening with that river(?) and why is it so green?The Rio Grande, caused as-mentioned, probably fueled by fertilizer runoff.
>wake up >no big breaking>check other news>ELON CONFIRMED FOR RAPING LITTLE KIDSis the lawfare officially back?
>>16797882No; they don't control the levers of power. This is just an attack on image.
>>16797797If Trump diddled kids then why did democrats have to make up the Russian collusion hoax or accuse him of fraud (without being able to say who was defrauded).
We got a frosty boy and a booster playing peek-a-boo
>>16797903The running hypothesis from the more conspiracy-inclined is that both sides are implicated, so it's sort of like a taboo Mutually Assured Destruction option to try and use it as a petty tit-for-tat political move. You will take down too many of your own to make it worth it as an effective attack against your opponent
>>16797906What about a mission like sojourner/spirit/opportunity that is dropped into the crater with airbags, bounces around, and then deploys within a crater cave
I am awaiting your cope.
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1971737919250715081>Liftoff at 19:28UTC September 26, Long March 4C Y45 launched FengYun-3H from Jiuquan
>>16797925fuck off. this town aint big enough for 2 schizos
>>16797925Show draco thruster firing in daylight
>>16797932>>16797933Everytime I see a chinese rocket, I notice parts of it flake off. What is that?
>>16797937Actually, I'll do it myself. Here's a moderately long exposure, daylight image of Draco thrusters firing. In direct sunlight, only the exhaust gasses are visible, and that's against the highest possible contrast background.
>>16797938must be the corncrete
>>16797938Breakaway insulation panels. The Ariane 1-4 rockets used the same design.
>>16797938Thermal insulation panels. Launch complexes in inland China like Jiuquan and Taiyuan can have some pretty huge temperature swings. First-generation Long March rockets tend to spend at least a few days on the pad before launch, so the standard practice to plaster the fairing and any parts of the vehicle that might be temperature sensitive with insulation to help stabilize its internal temperature.
>>16797943>>16797945Oh, ok. Thanks. I'm assuming they come off as soon as the vibration is strong enough, right?
So long gay bowser
>>16797946Yep. Vibration, aerodynamic loads, all of them make the panels fall off.
>>16797946I think it's more air pressure than vibration that starts the peeling, but I wouldn't discount there being some active mechanism to get them started. Early Atlas-Centaurs had an upper stage insulation wrap on the pad that got shucked off after launch with small linear shaped charges.
>>16797648it suckst. LC anon
>>16797830>>16797898These are my attempts at filtering the raw scans. On the last two I forgot to tweak the tint. The hasselblads always seem to skew into the greener tint. Not sure if its the cameras or the film itself. This pic is slightly corrected, shouldn't look as green as the other two
>>16797932>Fengyun-3 08 (H) developed by SAST mass ~2780kg>22nd Fengyun meteorological satellite successfully launched, 8th and last of the 2nd generation Fengyun-3>It replaces FY-3D and will form a network with the FY-3E/F/G to achieve 100% global coverage>Sun-synchronous orbit, alt. 830 km, inclination 98.7°
>>16797973chynkshit is so soulless
>>16797973http://www.nsmc.org.cn/nsmc/en/satellite/FY3H.html>Main mission: operational meteorology.>Substantial contribution to global imagery and atmospheric vertical observation.>Significant contribution to refined global greenhouse gas monitoring.>Contribution to aurora, ionosphere and other space weather monitoring.Instruments:>Medium Resolution Spectral Imager-III>Hyperspectral Infrared Atmospheric Sounder-II>Micro-Wave Temperature Sounder-III>Micro-Wave Humidity Sounder-II>Micro-Wave Radiation Imager-II>GNSS Radio Occultation Sounder-II>Greenhouse-gases Absorption Spectrometer-II>Ionospheric PhotoMeter-II>Wide-field Auroral Imager-II
>>16797986I love mercury/geminireal rocket men
>>16797965It just occurred to me that star trek TOS is more realistic than TNG because the original enterprise is always shown against a black sky, you don't see the stars, because the local star lighting up the ship will drown them out. TNG always has the ship and the stars both impossibly visible.
>>16797988Same
>>16797999>star treksomeone check his hard drivepedo freak
>>16797999TNG is more artistically stylized. ILM doing their model and effects autism. I love the way TNG looks it's so freaking comfy
>>16798000holy kino
>>16798000uhhhhhh space bros is this a sound stage????
>>16797965>>16797986>>16798000pure filmkino>>16797947nasty digislop
>>16797925post the original pic of that dragon
>>16797999They have better cameras in the future
>>16798021TNG isn't the future it's the future's future
>>16798038maan those cameras got so much range theys in the futures futures future
Chinee engines from land space
>>16798073hory shet
https://x.com/edwards345/status/1971840208556462165>Dragon and its new “boost trunk” performed a 15 minute burn yesterday, providing 1.62 m/s of delta-v to the ISS for station-keeping (a job typically performed by Roscosmos via the Zvezda Service Module or visiting Progress vehicles).
>>16797728Here for this racist pos's downfall
>>16798111you're delusional
>>16797674Casey is an old family friend of mine, it's always weird to see him posted about here.
>>16798094>Well yeah Dragon is good, but it can’t r— oh…
>>16798146are the rumours true?
>>16798162Yeah we used to get together and goon for hours reading the latest papers in solar panel efficiency.
>>16798168that sounds sus, I would think he cared about $/W, not efficiency per panel
>>16798170This was early days when silicon panels were as expensive as gaas. Since we didn't want our parents to catch us with journals we had to sneak in to the university library, the hot topic at the time was (and still is in academia) panel efficiency rather than manufacturing efficiency.
>>16798146Does he really think he's going to terraform Mars by launching a trillion mobile phones at it (as I understand)?
>>16798094I worked on the trunk!
>>16798000I love how jank the early space prgoram was
>>16798185Patriot
>>16798183Dunno, I haven't spoken to him since he left Australia, it's our parents who stay in touch.
>>16798193You should reach out and touch base someday. Mention how you are interested in his field of study
>>16798185Do you know anything about the ISS deorbit vehicle? It's basically just going to be a scaled-up version of this I imagine
>>16798197there is a lot of political pressure on that thing.
>>16797724>FH
>>16797716Those whores knew what they were getting into
>>16798283wtf anon
>>16797680>energy is essentially freeNothing ever is
How often did you cry this year because of spaceflight related reasons?
>>16798309Boys don't cry.
>>16798291there is no such thing as a free lunch but sometimes we can steal it from somewhere that can't complain
Did America bait the USSR into designing their own Shittle or were they just (also) retarded?
>>16798309Two hundred and seventy times
>>16798325Successfully baited
>>16798325the USSR shuttle had a number of improvements, and the later builds that were canceled would have been even better
>>16797938celebratory confetti
>>16798204maybe they can use that to replace the COPVs, similar to anger fueled jetpacks
>>16795282Chat is this true?https://youtu.be/Gr18gQoHOFg?t=465
Today i will remind them.
>>16798389JOBS! JOBS! JOBS!
>>16798389I'm glad my webm is still useful in 2025
>>16798397You should compare it to the original to see how much is lost by years of copies.
>>16798400webm isn't like a jpg
>>16798401jpg also doesn't lose quality by just downloading
>>16797945>>16797938>parts of the vehicle that might be temperature sensitivewhen you put it that way it sond like avionics overheatingit's more about preventing LOx and LH2 boil-off from inside and ice build up from moisture in the air from outsidehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MGZvGULAxc
>>16798415skill issue. reusability is a mindset and they don't have it
>>16798425>resuabilityfags, this is your mindset
>>16798090Pretty impresive how much the power head shrank.
>>16798073pretty cool. love landspace
>>16797947>where we're going, we won't need reliable thrusters
>>16797947>>16798470https://youtu.be/5Rk8u2FTaG0?t=165
How much more efficient would SLS be if they air started the main engines?
>>16798539shitLshit isnt getting better ever its shit
>>16798539We don't know, but we can find out for a mere 15 billion more to boeing.
https://x.com/davill/status/1972018031716135261
>>16798664it's going to fail
>>16798664Oh no it's the C3PO odds for navigating the asteroid field and i knew it. Cringe.
>>16798612those fucking fanooks
why is it taking BO six gorillion years to do another launch of their operational rocket? saarshit has been sharted out every few months even with all the changes, retrofits, and successive failures
>>16798676Oh lighten up anon, no use going through life grouchy all the time.
>>16798664so ar they launching BM mk1 this year or what
>>16798696leia was a coke fiend
jobs
I'm so based that Earthers cross the street to avoid me.
>>16798739Yeah, I need one.
>jobsI am 25 and have never been employed, I ruined my life.
https://x.com/_mgde_/status/1972019800311484702>SpaceX's Florida Giga Bay is going vertical!>Construction has begun on the facility's center wall, and it's rising fast. The SpaceX steamroller continues to move rapidly as none of this progress was visible on our last flyover just two weeks ago. >Momentum is building towards the Starship program's long-awaited arrival to America's premier spaceport!
>>16798744Learn to operate a forklift
>>16798754
>>16798757
>>16798758https://x.com/_mgde_/status/1972028564045467939>Lots of activity picking up at Roberts Road. >In addition to the progress of Giga Bay, we could see the launch mount for LC-39A nearing completion as well as the second water-cooled flame diverter section being readied for lift and installation in the flame trench at 39A. The first was lifted & installed this morning.
>>16798756so I can earn minimum wage doing an extremely risky job?
>>16798760
>>16798763
>>16798761>extremely risky joblol really nigga
I didn't realize they had a tower over there already.
>>16798761>minimum wageYou get paid significantly more for doing way less, compared to the other employees on that job>extremely risky jobOnly if you're a retard
Is this why starship is struggling? Why haven't they linked up with Grok
>>16798777its been there like 2 years
>>16798689New glenn is a SHLV in scale and it was the very first they were building (they didn't do "wet" ground test articles). The second model is quite different and they also lost some time on investigating
>>16798787Grok is not a novel problem solving service.
>>16798754>Starship is a hopeless failure. SpaceX is now a light industrial construction company.Tesla brand Road Graders.
>>16798664Maybe stop with the wacky names now, okay?
>>16798787
>>16798818>strap on f9 boosters to superheavyhahah holy shit
>>16797202Elon is the new Christ
>>16797121Youtube channels like this are extremely sloppy at details
>>16798818sovl
>>16798818>Starship but RP-1RP-1 is single producer milspec kerosene. Costs $50 per pound. That's $100k per ton. A Starship uses 1200 tons of fuel. That's $120m of RP-1 per launch, assuming equal net efficiency.So, no. Let's not do that.
>>16798854most of the fuel is oxidizer you goofball
>>16798860get with the times grandpa no one uses kerlox anymore. Too sooty for reuse
>>16798860>most of the fuel is oxidizer???
>>16798860That's just chilled Methane fuel. That doesn't include the LOX oxidizer.Now you embarrassed yourself in pubic. Just like that time you peed your pants in third grade. And fourth grade. And fifth grade. And...
>>16798866>>16798865>>16798864baited
>>16798867Not baited. Some anons that insist on posting actually are clueless.
>>16798871fuel and oxidizer are two different things
>>16795314What? I thought getting water in space was kind of easier, for example you can get water from regolith with a decent source of energy, which we have
>>16798875Yes. They are. He wasn't baiting. He actually didn't know that.
>>16798818he thinks just like us
>>16798880It's more about the importance, and that it needs to be extracted.
>>16798875just pre-mix everything in one tank
>>16795458noooo I was late. i want it
>>16798899No worries anon, here it is againhttps://litter.catbox.moe/tv8xuk085veqvlvs.rarIf anyone wants it in the future just ask and I will re-upload
>>16798903Thanks m8. It will be a fun read
>IAF in Sydney this week>go look at how to attend>1800 euros registration feelol
>Page 9 /sfg/ limps along on a broken leg.Anything good is being saved for next thread.
>>16798888digits clanked
staging >>16798955
>>16798733Cocaine is cool and fun
>>16796023Link?
>>16796602Funny how almost nobody post in emojis. I didn't because I thought it was limited somehow to reduce spam or avoid jannies. but it looks like its ok . It would be nice if everyone posted them like in the old warez forums. I'ts Sovl
>>16798818we need to kill AI immediately
>>16799090if you post enough emojis at once the mods will ban you for low quality posts but honestly you deserve it
sucking fingers general is officially dead.
>>16799020great for the hair too
