>The quest for money and professional status, the hubris of the scientific community and the quiet desperation of so many has combined to create one of the most widespread delusions of recent times: the idea that emotional problems can be resolved with a pill.https://archive.ph/20250114213915/https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/do-antidepressants-work-british-professor-depression-medication-ld28kgvj5Thoughts?
>>16795315>Thoughts?Jak posters only exist because the USA got rid of it's eugenics program. There is a happier timeline where the state sterilized one of your grandparents, or one of your parents, and you consequently do not exist.
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>>16795315>Be average 4chan user>Psychiatry isn't real>Except, of course, autism because that's what I have and it's caused by my mother being too old and me not having sex with a virgin>Has an average IQ of 82 and has difficulty understanding if... then... sentences>They're PUSHING Vaccines. It's making our kids acoustic!>Has no kids>It has made ME, the poor 4chan user, acoustic! All my problems are caused by a magic six letter label.As expected, the average 4chan user doesn't take responsibility for his shitty behavior, instead projecting his deficiencies on others.
>>16795315How can psychiatrists be real if our minds aren't real?
>>16795359I wasn't making an argument because I don't care about the topic or your opinion on it. I was pointing out that the planet would be better if you and your relatives were not part of it.
>>16795679go to bed Jaden, your father's a cuck and your mother a run-through whore
>>16795546where is the argument doe
>>16795315HOLY BASEDJUNG IS REDEEMEDt. Mathematician who cured his mathematical psychosis with the help of JungPill poppers are hylic scum.Pills should only be for physical ailments.Most neuro-degenerative diseases are physical and untreatable
>>16796144>t. Mathematician who cured his mathematical psychosis with the help of JungMind elaborating?
>>16796349I multiplied my suffering by zero. Everything evened out from there.
>>16796349I’m religiously schizophrenic now and debate people on /pol/ about the BibleWho gives a fuck about the meaning of numbers when Jesus died for our sins?
>>16796349After I realized thinking was gay I decided to just spend all my time jerking off and watch porn. I’m cured now,
>>16795315>Moncrieff, 58, is a professor of critical and social psychiatry So, she's a professor of total bullshit? Psychiatry is already pushing the limits of credulity, but "critical and social" psychiatry? Man, even a layman's opinion would be worth more.
>>16795546>>16795679OP here, I'm not saying psychiatry "isn't real". I just question whether mind-altering drugs are the best solution to emotional states like unhappiness, frustration, etc.>>16795883See: >>16795359>>16796144>Pills should only be for physical ailments.Interesting position. Some people would say "well mental illnesses are physical ailments because you can see how a depressed brain looks different on a brain scan, for instance". But by that argument, you could say that every emotion is a "physical ailment", because every emotion is going to make your brain look different on a brain scan.I think if psychiatrists want to claim that they're treating physical brain problems then they should demonstrate exactly what those brain problems are. E.g. if someone is depressed, does that mean their brain is incapable of producing a typical level of serotonin? Psychiatrists don't demonstrate this. It could be that a depressed person has a pretty normal brain, and they're only depressed because of challenging life circumstances.>>16796379I think she's a qualified doctor and psychiatrist. The "critical" part of that title is because her current work is about evaluating and criticising psychiatry.>she wound up studying medicine at Newcastle University>As a junior psychiatrist at St George’s Hospital in Morpeth, Northumberland, she was shocked by the condition of patients she observed on psychiatric wards.https://archive.ph/20250114213915/https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/do-antidepressants-work-british-professor-depression-medication-ld28kgvj5
The pills were introduced because psychiatry suddenly wasn't a niche profession dealing with fringe cases.For some reason, we suddenly needed to deal with people's emotional problems on an industrial scale, and we only have so many doctors with so many work hours.Now I ain't no shrink, but maybe we should be looking for a cause of mass depression instead of shoving pills into everyone's symptoms.
>>16795315>get diagnosed with ADHD in 30s>get prescribed medication>start taking it>self doubt I've experienced since childhood completely goes awayno toughts, only experiences. pills can work.
>>16797002>I think she's a qualified...psychiatrist.Sure, and I'm a qualified homeopath.
>>16797010>maybe we should be looking for a cause of mass depression instead of shoving pills into everyone's symptomsGood idea>>16797021Interesting. If they work for you then fair enough.>>16797052Psychiatric drugs have measurable effects on the human body. Homeopathic "remedies" do not.
>>16798731>Psychiatric drugs have measurable effects on the human body. Homeopathic "remedies" do not.Exactly. My anti-psychotics give me dry mouth, dizziness, weight gain that can lead to diabetes, blurred vision, tremors, stiffness, sedation, fluid retention, dry mouth, sexual problems and headaches. That's how I know it's real medicine - it's doing things to my body. Very powerful stuff.
>>16798738Yeah true, I've been on antipsychotics myself, and I'm wary of all the negative health effects they cause. At the moment I'm just taking an SSRI. I took an antipsychotic earlier this year but I figured if I can get away with just taking an SSRI then maybe that's better because there are fewer negative health effects.
>>16798752>there are fewer negative health effects.and no positive health effects.Brought to you by Dr. Pepe.
BrutalAlso apparently it's been confirmed bpd can't be trated with pillsIt's so over
>>16795315>the idea that emotional problems can be resolved with a pill.psychiatrists dont believe thatmost psychiatric care performed includes pills AND extensive therapy. pills on their own wont help, but pills + therapy just might
>>16798731>Psychiatric drugs have measurable effects on the human body.I'm sure they do. Psychiatry is still bullshit tho.
>>16799029In my country they just drug you without therapy because the health service doesn't have enough money or therapists to give therapy to all patients>>16799367Some patients say they are helped by psychiatric meds. I just think it should be a choice - patients should be able to make an informed choice of whether they want these drugs or not.
>>16795315>can be resolved with a pill.They will replace their pills with expensive talking with jew therapists who will medicalize your opposition to clown world, soviet style, and get you placed on no fly, no guns lists.the drugs were probably part of it, to make people nuts so that they flock to these predators.
>>16797010>cause of mass depressionIt's their medicalizing of life. That's all. It's making bad moods and shitty personalities into diseases to treat with pills. It's weird that they don't want pills now I think it's the psychs themselves who hand them out no? They want you to go in and talk so that they can manipulate you better.
>>16797010>improve peoples lifes and care about themwoah, that's very socialist liveral lefty commie globalist and why not jewish of youbtw elon musk just shat, today! trust the plan!
>>16795318It wasn't jak faggots who took totally safe and effective rushed and experimental genetherapy devoleped using LMM... for good ol flu.
>>16795546>reddity passive agressive tone>acoustic>faggy self flaggelatory "its always your own fault even when its not!"Sciencetism is not science, its religion, trannies are not woman and gorrilion genders don't exist, humongous cocksucking faggot.>>Has an average IQ of 82And that part is projection.
>>16795546>>Psychiatry isn't realIts not scientific, its mixture of usual religious mumbo-jumbo and snake oil scams.
>>16800335A privileges and rights for annoying, obnoxious faggots and feral niggers is not improvement of my life.I don't care abouty this dumb shit.
>>16800213>Some patients say they are helped by psychiatric medsSure.>Have bipolar disorder? Take this lithiumHow does it work?>Dunno lol>Have depression? Take this SSRIHow does it work?>Dunno lol>Have persistent depression? Let us strap electrodes to your head and electrocute your brain.How... How the fuck does that work?>Dunno lolPsychiatry it total, utter, shit. My point isn't to question "do people sometimes feel better on psychiatric meds" more to claim that psychiatrists are modern day witchdoctors, and their talk of braim chemistry is, effectively, the equivalent of a shaman talking about bad JuJu.
>>16800314Perhaps>>16800348I think there definitely is science involved in psychiatry. But I also think that drugging yourself if you are unhappy with your life is maybe not the best solution for a lot of people. It might be better to instead make changes in your life to make yourself more content, rather than take mind-altering drugs.>>16800362I think psychiatrists have some understanding of brain chemistry but not a full understanding of it. There are probably effects of these drugs that psychiatrists don't yet understand.Apparently the studies they do regarding psych drugs only last for 6 months, usually. Many patients end up on these drugs for years though - but the studies can't tell us what the effects are after that duration, because the studies don't last that long.
>>16800356how radical of you, btw, elon just farted, trust the plan!
>>16800374>but not a full understanding of it.I think that's vastly understating it. Take SSRI's, they work based on the serotonin hypothesis of depression. But the serotonin hypothesis has largely been abandoned. So why do SSRI's (sometimes) work? No one knows.
>>16800374>I think there definitely is science involved in psychiatry.No, unlike actual psychology and neurology.
