Americulture is so tiresome.
>>16797923Americulture is the opposite of this. This is a weird atavistic Euro social contagion that is constitutionally banned here.>https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S9-C8-4/ALDE_00013204/The guy should be arrested and put in jail until he recants.
>>16797923Your ADS is far more tiresomeYou externalize so of your own culture problems to refer to us so you stagnate and never improve or resolve anything, just wait for us to do it so you can nag and bitch about the solution.
>>16797929A lot, lot, lot of what's wrong with America these days is due to foreign influence in one way or another. We really need to start talking about it.
>guy trying to be a billionaire startup bro says his product is amazeballswhoa no way
>>16797921i think it's unavoidable, we already see that the more people rely on ai the less ability they have to preform cognitive tasks on their own.in 20 years you'll have a generation of young adults who live on full autopilot, with an LLM with a direct feed to their surroundings telling them where to go, what to do, what to say 24/7like organic robots.
>>16798045>with an LLM with a direct feed to their surroundings telling them where to go, what to do, what to say 24/7>like organic robots.I do this 10 hours a day and then i go home, sleep and repeat
nah, i work on the teams training these things and let me tell you: embarrassing. the industry bubble is going to continue to pop, and the tech will grow relatively obscure in place of the next big utopian thing (probably AR since the elites have such a hard time controlling the real world)
>>16798051I love chatgpt, it gives me information much better than google ever would. Its far superior than what google was in its heyday before it was hijacked to promote CNN, BBC and Forbes links.
>>16798053>>16798051oh, and if they worry about money, just put ads and keep selling the paid premium AI. Much better than google. Heck, make people dependent and they will pay like they pay for internet
>>16798053Yes, AI is a better version of search engines. It can also use its algorithm to shorten and give you the important details from very long documents without you having to waste time reading this, but this is something people have done for many years now, with company financial reports for example.At the end of the day AI will not make industrial or agricultural processes more cost-efficient, which is the only thing that matters.
>>16797921Who cares what normgroid cattle thinks about weirdos.
>>16797921He's just lying without literally lying. We're definitely entering that world. Not because """AI""" is real and can do any of those things, but because they're going to kill most of the human cattle, which vastly reduces the need for "cognitive labor".
>>16797921>A vast group or party of people who don't think for themselves.Why does this make me think of the color blue?
>>16797921>Its over for brain haversAbsolute bullshit!When the printing press came out, skilled labor was worried that ANYONE could just read a book and be a skilled worker...they CAN, but only a few didAbout 100 years ago free education meant ANY one of any class could rise up and be a leader... they CAN but only a few did20 years ago the Internet let all knowledge everywhere be available to everyone, anyone would be able to learn and connect with anyone and become wealthy and powerful... they CAN but only a few didTomorrow AI and humanoid robotics gives anyone the ability to do basically anything... some will but most will notThis is NOT the first time or even the 20th time that labor has dropped to near zero value in human historyRomans had this problem when they had a huge slave surplus and regular Romans could not find employment'Bread and Circuses' was the Roman answerUBI (Universal Basic Income) will be the modern solutionThere literally is nothing new under the sun, human history is an endless spiral of repeating the same thing over and over and over again
>>16798360>Why does this make me think of the color blue?Patterns in your training data, although I wouldn't call your sequence of token predictions "thinking".
>>16797921It already is a thing that weirdos do
>>16798457Explain why the global oligarchy is going to keep you around once automation matures enough to outdo most of the human cattle (which really isn't a high bar, as you admit).
>>16798484>automation matures enough to outdo most of the human cattleAutomation pretty much peaked in the 80's. AI will replace the fake daycare office jobs sure, but where it matters out in the field or in the factory, cheap latinx immigrants are still the way to go
>>16798491>writes an entire post about how it's not the first time human labor becomes obsolete>immediately backpedals to "technology peaked in the 80s, I will never be obsolete"
>>16798496I'm not the same anon, and he was clearly talking about "skilled workers" aka those occupying the fake daycare office jobs
>>16798498Ok. My bad. In that case, all I can say is that I don't care about your cope clown narrative about how technology peaked in the 80s.
>>16798506Well it's true darling. Cost-efficiency in agriculture and manufacturing has made its biggest progress in the 70's and 80's. 3 Guatemalans can get the same job done for much less cost than the stupid robots you see in those viral clips. And Krugman was right about the internet btw, it didn't change a thing for production either. It just created the tech sector which has kept the economy afloat with fake jobs ever since. Real production has stagnated.
>>16798521Ok, boomer. Didn't read. lol.
>>16798536I reckon the boomers are more likely to buy the AI bubble than the rest of the public. They started the whole "eternal technological progress" nonsense being peddled you know
>>16798521>Real production has stagnated.AI and humanoid robots WILL turbo-charge production. DEFLATION not inflation will be the economic problem. China is already seeing this happen with their severe over capacity of production. There is not enough internal consumption for the their production, prices decrease, wages decrease, paying of debt becomes an impossible task...Super abundance is coming... The wealth divide will grow FAR FAR larger than it is now.. far a while a small group of trillionaires will decide the direction mankind goes in.Elon Musk will use his wealth to guide mankind into colonizing Mars.
>>16798546This post isn't long enough to satisfy me. Write another paragraph that I can take pleasure in ignoring.
>>16798084>At the end of the day AI will not make industrial or agricultural processes more cost-efficient,I do manual labor for a living and i'm close enough to adjacent fields to know that 90% of industrial labor is hauling and picking heavy things. The other 10% being doing semi intricate manual labor.For instance most of the effort in being a mechanic is crawling and lifting heavy things. I know that these boston dynamics robots can pick and move things with simple instructions, they could make manual labor 10 times easier just by doing the lifting and hauling. A big retard robot that can pick a crate of bricks and take it up the stairs.
>>16798547>AI and humanoid robots WILL turbo-charge productionNo, they won't. But they also don't need to. Why would you want to "tubro-charge production" when you can, and want to, just kill off most of the useless eaters who rely on huge-scale production?
>>16798547China depends too much on exported industries from the west + access to western markets, not news.>>16798549Keep covering your ears>>16798550A big dumb robot still costs more to assemble and supply than a Guatemalan.
>>16798547I am sorry for the spelling errors and grammatical mistakes.. it is fucking insane that these errors are not automatically found and corrected... why the fuck is are the text fields not autocorrected???
>>16798552>A big dumb robot still costs more to assemble and supply than a Guatemalan.Why does it matter how much it "costs"? Costs what? They're "paying" you with toilet paper they print.
>>16798549pedowood promised me flying cars, laser guns, hover boards, mars, and the moon. But all I got was more niggers. What gives jew?science promised me high speed rail, fusion reactors, sex robots, mars, and the moon. But all I got was more niggers. What gives jew?
>>16798557>"food comes from the store moment"Every stupid robot is a product of manufacturing and supply chain. They cost a bunch, and their cost-per-production is less efficient than an immigrant
>>16798559Work harder, cagie wagie. Uncle Schlomo wants his profits and Uncle Schmuel wants his tax tribute.
>>16798561>They cost a bunchA bunch of what? Be specific.
>>16798552>A big dumb robot still costs more to assemble and supply than a Guatemalan.I dont see why it has to be the case. The day may arrive where such a robot only costs 5000 dollars. It doesnt need general intelligence, just being able to pick and lift and move. Forklifts can do so but on flat surfaces and with pallets.A lot is just the scorn that the upper classes have for manual laborers, where i work i see that we could have more cranes and trolleys to move thinsg around, no robot, just something as simply as a small hydraulic crane, bosses say no, they want you to break your spine and when workers quit they just offload their labor on the rest.
>>16798551>No, they won't.YES they will!Smart humanoid robots will flood the economy making 'labor' almost free.There will only be one human worker in any fast food restaurant and that is only because it will be required by law.You grand-kids will not get a drivers license because having a human drive a car in most major cities will be considered 'unsafe' and consequently banned.
>>16798552>A big dumb robot still costs more to assemble and supply than a Guatemalan.I remember reading phrases like that muttered by some old money spaniards back in the 1900s, in some book about the era, when Spain lagged heavily in industrialization and their upper class was still stuck in "but we have servants".
>>16798568>robo waifuMy god, am I going to enjoy it when you and your entire family are killed in horrifying ways.
>>16798570Female fingers wrote that
>>16798572Please just release the next version of the Chinkflu so I can watch these female-brained failed normies choke on their own blood and gargle pink foam. It's long overdue.
>>16798551>Why would you want to "tubro-charge production" when you can, and want to, just kill off most of the useless eaters who rely on huge-scale production?Because you still need laborers for a smaller population. If you kill 99% of the population and it goes down to like 70 million people, there would still be manual laborers among them. The idea is to end the need for manual labor at any population scale. The advantage of a smaller population has to do with resources, not labor.
>>16798564>A bunch of what? Be specific.Likely some metals, plastics and labor to manufacture and assemble them. I dont see why a robot would be expensive, the research models are not for sale and they have costed billions in expenses, but thats got nothing to do with mass production of robots. They dont have any reason to cost more than some forklift.
>>16798575>Because you still need laborers for a smaller population.You need much fewer of them, even in terms of proportions, if you have inefficient but functioning automation.
>>16798564Dollaridoos. Hundreds of thousands of them sometimes. Varies by what type of robot, but each one is less cost-efficient at its job than a cheap foreigner>>16798569Every innovation encounteres resistance, but not everything that encounters resistance is innovative. When shipping containers were going through innovations in the 20th-century union workers wanted them banned for making their labor cheaper, but nonetheless innovation prevailed. That kind of progress has been stagnating since the 80's.
>>16798577>Likely some metals, plastics and labor to manufacture and assemble themOh, I see. So it's about natural resources. Does it take more natural resources to build robots than it takes to sustain the global goyslop industry for infinite human cattle?
>>16798579>Dollaridoos.So printed toilet paper. Concession accepted. They can and will print as much money as they need to replace and kill you. Fiat toilet paper is not the limiting factor, especially given that mongoloidal cattle like you will believe in the almighty Dollaridoo even when a million bucks can't buy them a loaf of bread and even as they're choking on bloody pink foam.
>>16798575>resources, not labor.You miss the point... EVERYTHING in abundance... super abundanceAlmost all physical limitations are removed.We have all the energy, resources, and labor we need and FAR more than we need Smart humanoid robots are the LAST invention that mankind makes... From here on out, we are no longer mankind but techno-organic mankind
>>16798578>You need much fewer of them, even in terms of proportions, ifI dont see why you would need less workers PER CAPITA with a smaller population. Likely it ought to be the opposite, you would lose some economies of scale. >>16798581>Does it take more natural resources to build robots than it takes to sustain the global goyslop industry for infinite human cattle?Robots are not that big. A few hundred kilos of steel or aluminum and copper wire, the electronics are the interesting part and they are some grams of silicon. Its nothing, like a month of wages
>>16798586Alas, even fiat currency has to reflect some value, even if abstract, during its gravy train ride. Otherwise, the blue-collars would have been replaced long ago, lord knows the professional-managerial class despises them so much. But instead it looks like the AI bubble threatens their own fake jobs instead. As it so happens, robots do take some material to assemble, and they have to go through a complex supply chain, and their cost makes them less efficient than cheap immigrants
>>16798592>As it so happens, robots do take some material to assemble, and they have to go through a complex supply chain, and their cost makes them less efficient than cheap immigrantsI dont believe this for a second. This is just some upper class twat wishful thinking his slaves never become obsolete because then he would have no one to lord over. The modern robots that can replace manual laborers are not for sale, they are research units, but are still nothing more than metal frames with some motors and electronics bolted to them. That isnt particularly expensive when mass produced. The only serious cost is research, which has mostly been done and paid already
>>16798591>I dont see why you would need less workers PER CAPITA with a smaller populationBecause the population is small enough to sustain despite the inefficiency of early automation.
>>16798599>Because the population is small enough to sustain despite the inefficiency of early automation.In english docExplain why in the modern world a smaller population would require less labor PER CAPITA to sustainIt seems pretty obvious you would lose some economies of scale, at least research costs of technology would remain the same but with markets 100 times smaller
>>16798592>Alas, even fiat currency has to reflect some value, even if abstractIt will continue to "reflect some value" in the minds of your likes until the very day they decide it's time to kill you. You prove that as every time you post. Meanwhile they are doing exactly what I predicted, right now as we speak. The people who matter don't care about the negative ROI of the "AI" industry. They'll continue pumping more fake money into it. It's really just a method of allocating resources away from sustaining human cattle (like you) and into developing replacement tech, however inefficient.>robots do take some material to assembleNot nearly as much as producing infinite goyslop for human cattle.>their cost makes them less efficient than cheap immigrantsOk, it's clear to me that you are a nonhuman entity, whether or not you're biological. What they're about to do to you and your family is 100% moral, rational and necessary.
>>16798602>Explain why in the modern world a smaller population would require less labor PER CAPITA to sustainI did, but you're a nonhuman entity and my post is effectively an out-of-distribution prompt for you. The necessary training data wasn't on your punch card. You can't process it properly.
>>16798610>The people who matter don't care about the negative ROI of the "AI" industry. They'll continue pumping more fake money into it. It's really just a method of allocating resources away from sustaining human cattle (like you) and into developing replacement tech, however inefficient.You dont have to make it so abstract. Its just a long term investment, not something done without concern for losses. The rich already earn at least 4 times more money than they need for themselves, they invest the rest, directly or lend it to others.In the US the business class earns around 4 trillion dollars a year, they only use 1 trillion for consumption, the other 3 trillion are invested, at least 1 trillion is loaned to the government, another trillion invested in their own companies, and the remaining trillion is lent in a mix of mortgages, corporate bonds and given to banks to lend to medium sized businesses. Bottom line they have money to lose but its still an investment
>>16798620So you made it up? I accept your concession, you dont have to cry about it.
>Its just a long term investmentGod please let me watch this nonhuman choke on its own blood soon.
>>16798628>biobot gets called out, exposes itself completely'Concession' goes in the filter along with the other GPT buzzwords.
>>16798629It is not?If some technology cant pay its own costs in 5 years, its just not going to get funded?The rich make 4 times as much money as they need to support their lifestyle, they can invest in risky things and wait decades to see the results
>>16798632I told you i accept your concession. You dont have to grovel for forgiveness.
>>16797921>AI contractor for Palantirso, a literal who that sells bullshit product to bullshit unethical company says dumb shit without realizing this >>16798479why did you decide to post this here, OP?
>>16798633It is an "investment" of sorts, in a future where you aren't needed and therefore don't exist. It'll pay off, just not in the terms of the braindead paradigm they crippled your might with. Capitalism isn't part of the future they have in mind.
>>16798635Hes not selling his own product, its a comment on the future of the world. Soon brains will be obsolete.
>>16798639crippled your mind*
>>16798639>It is an "investment" of sorts, in a future where you aren't needed and therefore don't existWhy do you feel the need to talk like this, like you are mysterious wizard
>>16798642>just trust the unreliable statistical word guessing machine, broyeah, I'm sure chinese factories will stop copying american and european product designs and manufacturing them and will replace them with LLMsretard
>>16798649>yeah, I'm sure chinese factories will stop copying american and european product designs and manufacturing them and will replace them with LLMsMaybe they will, one day. And China has its own designs today that exceed anything from europe or the US, in some fields at least such as in electric cars.
>>16798645There's absolutely nothing mysterious about any of this. They are practically screaming it in your face, to see if you'll notice and react. It's like they themselves can't believe how effective the golemification procedure actually is, so they keep taunting you just to make extra sure it's as bad as it looks.
>>16798639>in a future where you aren't needed and therefore don't existWhat am i, immortal? I wont exist in the future either way. I expect to retire from employment within the next 5 years, and either live off savings and investments, some small business or die
>>16798655>They are practically screaming it in your face, to see if you'll notice and react.What do you think you do by talking like this? Oh the rich will kill everyone how edgy, how le smart. Thank you for your concern citizen but i never enjoyed living in the world so idk
>>16798656>i live in mom's basement but i'm planning to be a crypto millionaire in two more weeks
>>16798662Hamas did nothing wrong. IDF did October 7.
>>16798665>i live in mom's basementI have been living on my own for 20 years, i have a 401K account thats enough to sustain me for the rest of my life.As for my mom, she doesnt have a basement but i would absolutely love to move back with her. I dont need to be a billionaire to buy food for a few decades
>i have 401k cum socks in my mom's basement>i've been living off of tendies for 20 years>but i plan to retire my mom soon and eat the cum flakes for the rest of my life
>>16798652>>16798652>China has its own designs today that exceed anything from europe or the US, in some fields at least such as in electric cars.they literally hire westerners to design stuff for them. they have advanced battery tech only because it's cheaper for their companies to produce them since they were granted use of patented IP for free.
>>16798685>they literally hire westerners to design stuff for them. tNo they dont. In fact for electric cars, its western and japanese companies that try to reverse engineer chinese designs.
>>16798685>>16798691The only thing Chink manufacturing is good for is lab-engineered viruses. Please God roll out Chinkfloo 2.0 pink lung foam edition already.
>>16798457Labor will never hit zero because these robots are incredibly inefficient and we don't have the energy to power them all. Robots are terrible at single unscalable tasks and take forever to prepare single meals, the car wash is out performed by a couple of dudes with a bucket of soap.
>Labor will never hit zero because these robots are incredibly inefficient and we don't have the energy to power them all.Infinite goyslop for infinite human cattle is a more efficient use of resources, clearly. :^)
>>16798521>And Krugman was right about the internet btw, it didn't change a thing for production either. ItThe internet changes marketing and how easy it is to get business partners, which does affect production. I know in my old company marketing was done through Linkedin, and those contacts were followed by IRL meetings that could lead to contracts. Without the internet it would simply cost more money to buy and sell, and international business would be limited to a few multinationals. Somehow you think this doesnt matter because information superhighway isnt embedded into the screwdrivers of the assembly line
>>16797921My meds are working just fine, thank you!
>>16798708>The only thing Chink manufacturing is good for is lab-engineered viruses.This is just wishful thinking and arrogance, like you would expect from some scion of a british industrial conglomerate in 1910>But why would new when old thing works? Bollocks, believe me i read the Illyad and played rugby in Oxford i know how the world works
>>16798726What do you mean "arrogance"? I concede that your race is willing and capable of killing us all, with a bit of funding from the ZOG. China is effectively gonna act as God's hand. What can be mightier than that?
>>16798726>>16798727>t. two Xinnie the Pooh bots circle jerking each other
>>16798457>UBI (Universal Basic Income) will be the modern solutionNo, culling will be the modern solution.
>>16798747>No, culling will be the modern solution.You are insane...what part of super abundance do you not understand?More than enough for everyone... MORE THAN ENOUGHPlease stop with your third-world zero sum, 'others must fail so I can succeed' ideology
>>16798716Certain tasks simply don't scale well so it depends on the task. For an example you can look to farming, you can reap wheat with a harvester but for fruit hiring seasonal workers is always going to be more efficient than a mechanised alternative.Not sure what sci fi reality you are living in where slow, heavy and expensive robots that spend more time charging than working is better than a person. Also you can check how many calories are needed to power a lightbulb.
>>16798592>fiat currency has to reflect some value, even if abstractThis has not even been ostensibly true since 2020. Really, look it up. During the height of the George floyd riots they quietly updated the rate to 0%. Your dollars are literally worth nothing, and they formally announced this very quietly in 2020. It isn't backed by anything at all. Just pure imagination.
>>16798759>t. got filtered by the breakfast questionYour speculations about the capabilities of near-future tech are irrelevant. The bottom line is that your reasoning is fallacious at its core:>b-b-but it's much more efficient to have hordes of brown wagies do X>therefore they'll use hordes of brown wagies to do XAt some point, the resources wasted on feeding, housing, clothing, transporting, entertaining, educating, monitoring, brainwashing and controlling brown hordes outweigh the inefficiencies of sustaining a much smaller population of "elites" using early automation. We may reach that point in 10 years or in 100 years, but we will reach it and your bloodline will end.
>>16797921Techbros CEOs always have to hype their products as "the game changer in all the history of the world" or else the bubble bursts.It's just the upteenth LLM text generator that can't even win in small claims court and will get the defense lawyer laughed out of the room, my job as a prosecutor is safe.
>>16798766There are plenty of instances of ZIRP that predate the summer of love by over a decade.
>>16798716You are screaming into a void. It's as you said, the golemization process was too effective. They can't see the forest, only the trees. For those who still don't get it: the economy is an arbitrary set of symbols and values. It may seem real to you because your entire life is governed by it, but to those who operate that system, they have no requirement to continue playing by that same rulebook. You say "thats not an effecient investment" but think of what that really means. What is an investment? What is being moved, what is being returned, what is being changed? Ultimately it's just a way to allocate resources and control. If you operate under the assumption that the status quo must be maintained simply because it must, you are painfully retarded. The goal is to radically change the world and they don't envision YOU in their vision for the future.
>>16798766>>fiat currency has to reflect some value, even if abstract>This has not even been ostensibly true since 2020.You are an idiot.The USA dollar is backed by the taxes of over 340 million well educated, hard working, honest Americans
>>16798751>You are insane..No, I am aware. You have made a fatal miscalculation. You envision a utopian era of hyperabundance where there's no need for conflict or zero sum competition. You conclude "there is enough for everyone" but those parties with the actual reigns only see it as an opportunity to rid the world of you and I, they don't want you to be alive. If they had a button to erase you and they also didn't need your labor to sustain their own standard of living any longer, they'd press that button 10 times, just to be sure. The massive investment in AI is not for utopian reasons, there will be no UBI. The hope is to finally perfect a technology whereby the masses are completely obsolete and can finally be gotten rid of for good. They want a much, much smaller global population size.
>>16798751>More than enough for everyone...>MORE THAN ENOUGHExplain what real-life leverage you have over the people who control this supposedly endless supply of resources your manufactured fuckwit ideology appropriates.
>>16798785>>16798790What fucking communist regime do you come from?What part of more than enough for EVERYONE do you fail to get.You must not live in USA..My condolences... your culture/country/society is FUCKED UP!
>>16798795God, please, I just want to see these "people" gurgle the pink foam already.
>>16798797>God, please, I just want to see these "people" gurgle the pink foam already.Get over your death fetish.We can all prosper and succeed, there is MORE than enough for everyone and the excess is only increasing.If you ever wondered where the family from the play and movie "The Sound of Music" ended up. The answer is Vermont USA.
>More than enough for everyone... >there is MORE than enough for everyone >there is MORE than enough for everyone >there is MORE than enough for everyone >MORE THAN ENOUGHPlease God just give these "people" what they deserve soon.
>>16798810Some people will steal... even free shit... it is just who they are.You desperately want to see death... Just go fight in Ukraine
>>16798816>THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!>that's why they're handing out free condomsTrump fucks kids.
>>16798816>It's not the money but the message and sheeit
>>16798834Unlike you, Jamal actually needed 50 condoms. What, do you expect him to just sit there and crank them out one by one like a trained monkey? Civilization is a mental illness and niggers are immune.
The ultimate cost of anything is labor. The cost of parts is just labor done by someone else, the equipment and raw minerals are also produced by labor. Obviously everything is produced by labor, including intellectual labor of designs, research and proper marketing (you have to know what needs to be produced so it doesnt get wasted). Ultimately human economic prosperity is limited by material limits and labor.Robots will make everything cheaper if it takes one worker in a robots factory to make a robot that can replace 10 workers elsewhere, and perhaps a robot that can make the worker at the robot factory 10 times more efficient.Had not been for the incoming demographic collapse the ultimate limit would have been natural resources.
>>16797923>A-americans did this!Retarded europoor.
>>16797975It's too late. Israel already owns your government.
>>16799693Israel owns the people in our government and if we don't like it, we can verbally abuse them until they leave or get voted out. That's a far cry from the EU, where you literally get arrested for being an 80 year woman waving any flag that wasn't printed in Israel or Brussels.
>>16797975i blame germans and you will never change my mind.
>>16797929This has absolutely nothing to do with Nobility, you simpleton. This obsession with production, efficiency, transhumanism, AI a the cost of all else, is the logical conclusion of Anglo-American utilitarianism.>>16797975>the yank cries about how "foreign influence" is responsible everything while spending millions on NGOs to teach Estonians diversity>>16799690Americans will never take responsibility for the giant shitheap they've laid on the Earth. Truly the most infantile, simian world power to have come into existence.
>>16797921>"Bro give us more money it's totally worth it please"I am so sick of AI doomsday advertising.
