Who is responsible for this scam? All properties are reducible to physical laws.
>>16799106>All properties are reducible to physical laws.This does not contradict the existence of emergent properties. Centrifugal force may not be a "real force" but you can feel it and observe its effects. It is an emergent property of the system.
>>16799126Wrong, you’re using a non inertial frame where if you weren’t a retard the “force” disappears in the correct inertial frame. Nice man made artifact, not physical property.
>>16799136Centrifugal force is therefore an emergent property of a non-intertial reference frame. Are you retarded or something?
>>16799138Non internal reference frame isn’t a physical attribute of anything retard-kun
>>16799141Yet still you can observe the effects of centrifugal force when in the right frame of reference.
>>16799149Yes, glad we agree it’s not a physical property and just a hallucination
>>16799151It's a "hallucination" in the sense that it's an emergent property. Seems we've come to an agreement.
>>16799106>All properties are reducible to physical laws.That's what emergence used to mean until philosophers stole the term and began using it to mean the opposite.
>>16799106>All properties are reducible to physical lawsThe problem with your dumb reductionism is that you can deconstruct things into particles but you can never put them back together from those particles, even on the level of pure theory. If you wanted to test the causal efficacy of your particle idea on any relevant scale you couldn't. They would be less real than anything you call "emergent".
>>16799196>but you can never put them back together from those particles, even on the level of pure theory.Why do you think so when the opposite has been the case so far?
>>16799202>the opposite has been the caseShow me ONE case of "the opposite" ever happening. Your next reply will be a complete nonsequitur or a dodge.
>>16799204A hydrogen atom is a bound state of a proton and an electron. It's something you learn to prove in your first course on quantum mechanics.
>>16799207This is less than a nonsequitur. You sound like a broken bot.
>>16799208Did I use words which were too complicated for babby?
>>16799210>confirmed broken botCall me back when you have any example of a macro-scale "emergent" phenomenon getting put together from muh particles, or at least an example of predicting the future of such a phenomenon as an aggregate of predictions about its individual particles.
>>16799214Notice how you shifted goalposts after being shown wrong. We can't continue this conversation until you admit your mistake.
>>16799219>discussion is about emergent phenomena>b-b-b-but what about [insert straightforward composition]?Mentally ill and retarded.
>>16799222Come on, it's not that hard to apologize for your mistake.
>go back to the roots of physicalism>find a cabal of jewsSurprise!
>>16799106>All properties are reducible to physical laws.that's literally the definition of weak emergence thoughever
>>16799224Ok. I'm very sorry for my bad mistake. I am now officially moving the goalpost from discussing how atomic-scale compositions appear as such on that scale, to:>any example of a macro-scale "emergent" phenomenon getting put together from muh particles, or at least an example of predicting the future of such a phenomenon as an aggregate of predictions about its individual particlesLet's see them.
>>16799224>>16799231>retard makes a gambit based on projection>immediately loses it
>>16799231Good boy ;^)When you solve Schrodinger's equation for particles arranged in a lattice, like in any crystal, you see that the allowed energy states of this crystal have to form finite bands separated by gaps. In this way you can predict the band structure of energy levels in crystals from the fact that the crystal is made up of particles arranged in a lattice.>>16799238Looks like another apology is due from you now.
>>16799106That's called weak emergence.
>>16799242>another total nonsequiturMentally ill and extremely predictable biobot.
>>16799248Did I, yet again, use words which were too complicated for babby?
>>16799242I guess I should note that your post is only relevant insofar as it exemplifies how you're already forced to talk in terms of Nth-order abstractions before you even leave the atomic scale.
>>16799249>mentally ill bot repeats itself>>16799251 is the final word on the matter. No more replies for broken bio-GPTs.Everyone else is free to provide an example of a macro-scale "emergent" phenomenon getting put together from muh particles, or at least an example of predicting the future of such a phenomenon as an aggregate of predictions about its individual particles.
>>16799251>>16799253This is just basic quantum mechanics applied to particles arranged in a lattice - something learned in a first course - there are no N-th order abstractions, although it might seem that way to people uneducated in the basics of modern physics. You're free to ask more questions once you've given your apology.
@16799256>mentally ill biobot with no highschool diploma continues to hallucinate
>>16799106>WHO could be behind scam X?the same tribe it always is.
>>16799106Emergentist.
>>16799106Just means nonlinear results outside of the expected linear reductionsWe’re kind of fucking stupid to be honest
>>16799106>disregard internal forces>disregard complex nonlinear properties>assume small angles everywhere>use group and relativistic reductions>uhhh why did that happen?Most scientists are dumb as fuck and can’t compute or predict as far as you can throw them
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