Science kills faith because it slowly robs the world of the conditions where belief could even make sense. Once you start seeing the universe not as a stage for divine providence but as a system of impersonal forces and mathematical regularities the old framework collapses. The Christian promise of a purposeful cosmos overseen by a personal God gets hollowed out until it's just poetry without substance. What's left is this mechanistic machine-world indifferent to our existence where "meaning" is no longer baked into the structure of reality. That's why atheism and nihilism inevitably grow in the soil of scientific rationalism, it strips away the illusions that kept people anchored in hope. Nietzsche saw it clearly, the same devotion to truth that Christianity demanded ends up killing Christianity because science takes that demand to its logical conclusion. And when you stand in that stripped-down landscape you don't find God, you find a void. The more science advances the wider that void becomes until faith looks less like a foundation and more like a coping mechanism that can't survive its own children.
Mathematics doesn’t disprove any religionPlease never compare us to scientists.We don’t sip goy beans.
>>16799848Analytical thinking doesn't lead to atheism and vice versa. For example, in UK analytical thinking is found out to lead to religiosity, but in US analytical thinking leads to non-religiosity.Rationalism is not the strongest pathway to atheism, really. The most strong way to atheism is having less Credibility Enhancing Displays (CREDs) that refers to behaviors that outwardly demonstrate a person's commitment to their professed beliefs. In a globalized and diverse society you have less consistent CREDs: there are just too many religions at once.So, OP, no: science, scientific thinking and rationalism doesn't lead to atheism so much. Although with the development of our society religions will die that not address other religions. And in a way it's natural: we will have better belief systems.
>>16800103>in UK analytical thinking is found out to lead to religiosityLol, bullshit. Post evidence or gtfo.
>>16800118You can also look at other countries, very interesting results.Gervais WM, van Elk M, Xygalatas D, et al. Analytic atheism: A cross-culturally weak and fickle phenomenon? Judgment and Decision Making. 2018;13(3):268-274. doi:10.1017/S1930297500007701
>>16799848No Abrahamic religions are just wrong
I believe in God, but not in religions.I don't accept beliefs from ignorant goatfuckers who didn't know shit about anything.You can have faith and still look at truth in the face.Religions are needed for ignorant people, so that they behave like fuyckign human beings, but they're really in due to some facefuck of reality.Religions are a tool to build a community and share a culture. Choices made for reasons are lost to nebulous faith. Retards read words and not meaning.
>>16799848if you're an idiot I guess you could have that opinion
>>16799848religion will never go away, even when we're warping space time to get from point a to point b in the galaxy. not unless you literally change the brain chemistry by genetic engineering. so you're the one who is coping, for now
>>16800137That's just a shit study. They looked at 150 random students in the uk and tried to find a correlation between their religious belief and score on some test. That's not how you test the claim you made.If you actually look at professional philosophers and scientists as your sample of people who think analytically, you'll find that they're much more likely to be atheists than the general population.
>>16800313>If you actually look at professional philosophers and scientists as your sample of people who think analytically, you'll find that they're much more likely to be atheists than the general population.And if you continue this line of thought and segment them by IQ and intellectual accomplishments, you'll find the proportion of atheists among them drops the higher up you go. :^)
>>16800315Nice cope you just hallucinated but it has no basis in reality.
>>16800316It does, though. Once you go past the academic midwit intellectual deadzone, the more intelligent your sample is, the more diverse its views tend to be. This is a fact and one that makes you foam at the mouth with rage.
>>16799848why do atheists think like this? Its not true in the slightest. Faith is about trusting in Christ for His forgiveness and things like that, not about if we can explain something about the world around us. The more we understand about the universe the more we see how God created it all to work as it does, thats all.
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1936-6434-6-33>Eminent scientists reject the supernatural: a survey of the Fellows of the Royal Society>In the USA, while around 16% of the general population report no religious affiliation approximately 95% believe in God or some higher power (Gallup & Lindsay 1999); (Lugo et al2008). US scientists, however, are substantially less likely to hold belief in the supernatural (Larson and Witham 1997; Leuba 1916). Interestingly, this difference is far more evident among distinguished scientists: Larson and Witham (1998) found that 92% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences reject a belief in God or higher power. Religiosity in Great Britain is less robust than in the US, with polls reporting only 42% believing in a personal God and 52% believing that God or some higher power had a hand in creating the universe (ICM Research 2005). What about British scientists? One thousand and seventy-four Fellows of the Royal Society of London were invited to participate in a survey of attitudes toward religion; 248 Fellows replied. They were asked about their beliefs in a personal God, the existence of a supernatural entity, consciousness surviving death, and whether religion and science occupy non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA). Overwhelmingly, the majority of Fellows affirmed strong opposition to the belief in a personal god, to the existence of a supernatural entity, and to consciousness after death.
>>16800324And if you continue this line of thought and segment them by IQ and intellectual accomplishments, you'll find the proportion of atheists among them drops the higher up you go. :^)
>>16800320>>16800329>mentally ill clown keeps hallucinating despite being shown to be deluded
>>16800332You're losing your mind with rage. What does your toilet paper "study" based on a clownishly biased sample have to do with my argument? Next you'll tell me getting 4 clotboosters is the scientific thing to do because most """Fellows of the Royal Society""" got them.
>>16800336>schizophrenic non-sequiturRetarded clown, lmao. Someone should tell your handlers to euthanize you.
>>16800338You're losing your mind with rage. What does your toilet paper "study" based on a clownishly biased sample have to do with my argument? Next you'll tell me getting 4 clotboosters is the scientific thing to do because most """Fellows of the Royal Society""" got them.
>>16800339>braindead subhuman can't stop itself from repeating retarded non-sequiturs
>>16800341>literally losing his mind over getting ownedSo, how many """Fellows of the Royal Society""" are responsible for groundbreaking discoveries or paradigm shifts? And how many of them got 4 clotboosters because "the Science" told them to? :^)There will be no legitimate answer to these questions.
>>16800343Answers are of no use to braindead things like you. What you need is swift and painless euthanasia.
>>16800346>literally losing his mind over getting ownedSo, how many """Fellows of the Royal Society""" are responsible for groundbreaking discoveries or paradigm shifts? And how many of them got 4 clotboosters because "the Science" told them to? :^)There will be no legitimate answer to these questions.
>>16800353>how many """Fellows of the Royal Society""" are responsible for groundbreaking discoveries or paradigm shifts?none. it's a bunch of names you'll never hear about and that no one will remember 20 years from now. there's exactly 0 Newtons or Einsteins or Heisenbergs (or even Darwins, for that matter) among them. despite its glorious history, it now consists precisely of the sort of people who coin phrases like "Nobel disease" to explain why world-class geniuses keep disrupting their consensus
>>16800370You think nobel prize winners would agree with your retarded religious hallucinations? Lmao.
>>16800370What makes religious retards so prone to hallucinations?>Einstein was elected to the Foreign Membership of the Royal Society in 1921, the same year as he received the Nobel Prize in Physics>On 24 January 1839, Darwin was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society (FRS).>Two pioneers of quantum mechanics, Erwin Schrödinger and Werner Heisenberg, were both nominated by Paul Dirac for election to the Royal Society in 1945.>Heisenberg's subsequent efforts to rebuild science in West Germany and in Europe after the war were welcomed, and he was eventually elected a Foreign Member in 1955.
>>16800377>>16800373i like how that post went so cleanly and completely over your head
>>16800379I like how you exemplify religious retardation.
>>16800381>nothing religion-related invoked anywhere in my post>spergs out uncontrollably about religionderanged and seething. lol
>>16800383You are legitimately braindead "lol"
>>16800370>it's a bunch of names you'll never hear about and that no one will remember 20 years from now. there's exactly 0 Newtons or Einsteins or Heisenbergs (or even Darwins, for that matter) among themYep. If you're gonna try to make atheism sound credible by appealing to the authority of some organization well past its glory days, at least don't pick the one whose actual most prominent members were theists (and/or sympathetic to theism).
>>16800390>le evil scientists have become atheists nowadays unlike le genius me who still believes in stories written by desert goat fuckersVery convincing argument, retard.
>>16800390exactly. the tard literally picked an example that exemplifies the point of the post he was trying so hard to refute (>>16800315)
The religious retarded subhuman keeps repeating its hallucinations instead of just looking up the list of fellows of the royal society.
>>16800426>looking up the list of fellows of the royal society.you mean theists like Newton, Einstein, Heisenberg etc.? or do you mean atheists like... uh... let's see...>Quarraisha Abdool Karim>Xiaodong Chen>Wenbo Ma>Baljit Khakh>Tien Y. Wong>etc.
>>16800427Hey, don't forget Nigel Smith.
>>16800427cope and seethe you niggers take religious seriously lulw kys faggot
>>16800427>Einstein,Lol, retarded braindead subhuman has to lie to keep up its hallucinationEinstein: It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.>Newton, HeisenbergLmao. Retarded religious schizo doesn't understand how percentages work. Obviously if 92% are atheists, the other 8% will not be atheists. Heisenberg and Newton are obviously part of the 8%. The minority who could never grow out of their childhood brainwashing.Should I list some famous atheist physicists for your braindead ilk? >Bohr, Dirac, Schrodinger, Feynman, Gell-Mann, Weinberg, Fermi, Shockley, Bardeen, Landau, Wigner, Philip Anderson, Chandrashekar, Raman, David Gross, Roger Penrose, Higgs, Edward Witten, etc.
>>16800450>irrelevant quote refuting something no one claimedderanged and seething
>>16800450huh what nah man I'm just uh.. open minded brah I don't really believe in that stuff anyway I was just y'know.. saying and stuff
>>16800453>samefag seething profusely
>>16800452says you
>>16800456>ignores anything anyone says contradicting me>seething lulwsayz you
>>16800450Since your post starts from trying to lie that Einstein was an atheist, I'm just going to assume everything else you wrote is also a lie.
>>16800463keep coping nigger
>>16800463It's okay, you lost.
>>16800353>So, how many """Fellows of the Royal Society""" are responsible for groundbreaking discoveries or paradigm shifts? And how many of them got 4 clotboosters because "the Science" told them to? :^)well? anyone got any data on this? specifically regarding the people they surveyed for that atheism study
>>16800457>>16800460>>16800464>>16800465imagine getting so assblasted you start doing this. lol
>>16800468you are all faggots because you believe in magic and he is a faggot nigger because he takes you seriously its hard to understand isn't it lil nigger?
>>16799848This is retarded. If you have no meaning because you know some facts about reality you're just an idiot and need to sit down and reassess your life. In what world do you need imaginary friends to have a purpose? Like knowing how a star really forms and that it wasn't made by a magic man shouldn't wipe out any purpose you have in your life. What a weak and pathetic framework you must have for that to be the case.
>>16800472cope and seethe get mad over other people's beliefs faggot
>>16800450This post conclusively ended the debate.
>>16800481stop speaking like a reddit nigger please?
>>16800485Do you start spamming racist slurs and random wimin whenever your side loses a debate?
>>16800487not a faggot nigger subhuman who picks sides let me guess you think you can change the world with a vote too?
>>16800490Not reading all that garbage. Cope/seethe/etc.
>>16800481>if i updoot my own post i win the "debate">So, how many """Fellows of the Royal Society""" are responsible for groundbreaking discoveries or paradigm shifts? And how many of them got 4 clotboosters because "the Science" told them to? :^)well? anyone got any data on this? specifically regarding the people they surveyed for that atheism study
>>16800493you missed gold so continue breaking the order, seethe first, cope then, kys last
>>16800494keep coping to skydaddy, Einstein was agnostic
>>16800500einstein was something close to a deist. since you're stubbornly lying about this, it stands to reason you're an unscrupulous liar, so all unsourced claims you make about the supposed atheism of any scientist go in the trash, automatically>So, how many """Fellows of the Royal Society""" are responsible for groundbreaking discoveries or paradigm shifts? And how many of them got 4 clotboosters because "the Science" told them to? :^)so, anyone willing to bring forth data on this?
>>16800506nice one faggot so where's the source for 'muh sointits was chrichan!!!!!' continue to cope and ignore anything I say though
>>16800476Nobody was seething. Just pointing out that knowing facts about reality in no way should undermine any serious or good worldview and meaning you have. That's ridiculous.
>>16800510why do you keep samefagging and lying about everything, including what's written in the posts above yours that anyone can see? i didn't make any claims about christians anywhere ITT
>>16800515SEZ U. you responded to a fag replying to a list of atheist scientists. now do the thing where you forget everything I said
>>16800513>shouldyou 'should' be outside yet your raging your eyes out over pixels on the internet. Stop being a hypocritical faggot
In an amazing feat of circular logic, people desperately try to prove that atheists are smart on average because then they could claim to be smart just by the virtue of being atheist.
>>16800525>>16800316and vice versa lul
>>16800525>>16800315my bad wrong fag
>>16799848OP is a faggotThe idea that the only God that can exist is the God of the gaps is peek r/atheism that should have been drowned in the bathtub in 2015https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl1xmkVOyRwIf God is a God of need it’s not God.
>>16800450This post is retarded and your retarded for posting itIf you look at the percentage of scientists who are religious, it closely mirrors the religious beliefs of the population they come from. Looking at any cherry picked list like the one you picked doesn’t determine the “best” scientist and “WOOOOOAH THEY’RE ALL ATHEIST CHECKMATE CHRISTFAG!!!1!”The royal society of any other “select group” isn’t a representative sample of the population of scientists.And another thing you retarded nigger All those cringe r/atheist heros all have some kind of bullshit “religious trauma” “daddy made me go to church on sunday waaah” reason for not believing. The source isn’t scientific.It’s emotional Get fucked
>>16800583>The royal society of any other “select group” isn’t a representative sample of the population of scientists.It WAS a representative sample of brilliant scientists, back when they cared to associate themselves with this institution. Incidentally, that was before it got overwhelmed by the hivemind of no-name atheists doing literally-who-cares-tier research. :^)
>>16800583What is this emotional outburst? Do you even have a point, you braindead retard?
>>16800608Let me simplify for the smooth brain amongst usYou’re a fucking retardCosplaying as an intellectualYou can’t actually grapple with any actual arguments for God because you’re emotionally entrenched in your position so you’re trying to cling to some kind of authority figure that backs you uptl;dnr: faggot
>>16799848>mechanistic machine-worldexcept that is not what modern physics suggests
>>16800705>except that is not what modern physics suggestsIt's what Classical Physics (and its precursors) suggests, which, as far as the greatest minds of the West's intellectual tradition were concerned, made it look like the whole thing was designed by an omniscient engineer. This deity also served as the sole logical guarantor that so-called "physical laws" are actual laws as such and that the universe is, in fact, intelligible. OP is a seething highschool dropout.
>>16800703Cry more, you dumb skydaddy fetishist. You've still not managed to make any point.
>>16800705Except it is and will continue to be.
Pretty funny how zealous IFLS NPCs are about appropriating and re-framing the products of theistic thought, all while they try to undermine its logical, philosophical and historical basis. They'd be better off embracing some off-brand variant of Eastern organicist thought, with a view of nature as a self-contained, self-regulating phenomenon of fuzzy patterns, instead of a fancy clockwork mechanism. That naturally renders deities superfluous. But it involves thinking outside of the box dead theists have previously set up, so they literally can't do it. Golems need someone else to think for them but the curators of modern "public intellectualism" have no interest in amending pic related. Culls the useless eaters just fine. :^)
>>16800738Did you decide to go all-out with your retardation before your handlers euthanized you? :^)
>>16800708The thing is that every thing we say in classical physics is formulated by us. Newton formulated newtonian mechanics. And what, can you apply it to particles? No. This view of the world as being design as an omniscient engineer is because we lack understanding of it and we are very good at formalizing things.And speaking about physical laws: aren't they just form of abstraction? You don't literally see physical laws. The physical laws we have written are just decription of the processes that we see around us. Can we really say that this laws governed the universe? There are also assumptions and axioms in some of them, for example, Einstein made an axiom that speed of light is constant in every direction. Maybe it is faster in one direction, and slower in the other, but overall describing it this way or with it being constant in every direction is the same, because it doesn't change anything we see. In the sense they are equivalent propositions.
>>16800762>The thing is that every thing we say in classical physics is formulated by us. The way they saw it, the universe (as they knew it) was not only intelligible to humans, but amenable to predictions in terms of neat little mathematical laws, which in and of themselves were seen as strangely aesthetic. It made them perceive a rational blueprint behind it all, etched by a rational and order-loving mind, intended to be deciphered by similar (in kind, not degree) minds. Claiming that humans formulated Classical Physics does absolutely fuck all to undermine this view. It's the mess of modern physics that starts to make it look like maybe this whole thing wasn't meant to be understood by humans at all.
>>16800711You fail to understand againMy point is that you’re just stupidThat’s the point I’m makingYou aren’t capable of intellectually grappling with any argument put forward by a theist. You just cling to “atheist super heroes” because your Marvel addicted Reddit brain isn’t capable. You want scientists to be atheist because it gives you your mental updoots so you feel more secure.Truth is true no matter who believes itNo matter who doesn’t believe itSmart people are capable of being wrongYou think some physicists, an unrepresentative sample of scientists, being “on your team” makes you more right. Let me reiterate my point again in case I confused you: You’re stupid
>>16800787Your point was to just cry and shit your pants? >>16800777>etched by a rational and order-loving mind, intended to be deciphered by similar (in kind, not degree) mindsThat must have been what Laplace was thinking when he told Napoleon that he had no need for the god hypothesis, right? :^)
>>16800795It's already been established ITT that you're a pathological liar and that none of your unsourced quotes mean anything, whether they're fake or just intentionally misconstrued as when you tried to lie about Einstein.
>>16800797Umm, aren't you the one who lied about Einstein being a theist despite my quote explicitly debunking you? Your handlers don't do a good job of getting you to take your meds, do they? ;^)
>>16800804I'm just gonna ignore your psychotic illness and check if you're lying about Laplace being an atheist.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Simon_Laplace>Laplace cites with approval Leibniz's criticism of Newton's invocation of divine intervention to restore order to the Solar System: "This is to have very narrow ideas about the wisdom and the power of God."[103] He evidently shared Leibniz's astonishment at Newton's belief "that God has made his machine so badly that unless he affects it by some extraordinary means, the watch will very soon cease to go."[104]The rest of the article notes there's no record of Laplace ever denying the existence of a god. So yeah, you're just lying again. Laplace was Deist with a view like the one I described, which is reflected in the anecdote you tried to misconstrue.From this point on I'm just going to ignore your psychotic thrashing completely.
>>16800450>It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.*freezes frame*
>>16800811Lol, you're more retarded than I thought you were>Napoleon, on Saint Helena, told General Gaspard Gourgaud, "I often asked Laplace what he thought of God. He owned that he was an atheist.">According to his biographer, Roger Hahn, he "remained a skeptic" to the very end of his life.[112] Laplace in his last years has been described as an agnostic>some of his contemporaries thought he was an atheist, while a number of recent scholars have described him as agnostic.Now you've been caught lying several times about both Einstein and Laplace. Don't you think you should apologize for being a compulsive liar? ;^)
>psychotic patient keeps seething
This must be what they call "lying for Jesus". Lmao.
>psychotic thrashing continuesAnyone who cares either already knows you're lying or can read the article and see you're lying. Thrash more.
>>16800839he better be praying now, poor soul, he is in full hell state right now
>>16800850Jesus: I like liars who didn't get caught!
>>16799848The more I learn about physics, the more I see how god put their thumb on the scale to make the universe like this.
>>16800892You must have not learnt any physics, then
>>16800863the mindbreak was hella sweet, when they realize christianity isn't as it is said to be in their christian shill discord
>>16800898kek
>>16799848Christianity is got tier retardation but so is atheism. you are very clearly a plen undergrad with very little scientific, or any other knowledge. It was science that led humans to discover God. this science isn't taught anymore however for a reason, to keep you stupid and isolated because it makes you easier to control
>>16800316he is 100 percent. before 50 years ago you won't find a single philosopher or scientist who was an atheist and the ones from the last 50 years are droolers in comparison to the others
>>16800916>got*goy
>>16799848No, this is wrong.What you're saying is religion = christianity, and this is wrong. There is the possibility that god (or several gods) exist, depending on your definition of god.Maybe "god" is the combined power of all the forces around us. Maybe "god" is a 5 dimensional being that interacts with us sometimes. Maybe "god" is some super advanced alien that has access to technology that looks like magic to us.There are several ways to look at it, and just because you lost faith in your religion doesn't mean that everybody else has to feel the same.
>>16800919>braindead resident namefag schizo arrives to vomit his latest brain diarrhea
>>16800932>NPD psycho is the last person on the board to be able to understand the science I posted 10 years ago now, that proves him conclusively wrong, all while projecting his mental illness onto otherscluster B's are just broken records, you are incapable of improving, advancing. evolving. You are the quintessential NPC, You can never muster an argument against a superior intellect which is why you only have a handful of response posts which are all projecting your mental illness onto others
>>16800932if it is everyone else who is mentally ill, instead of you, you dont have to feel defective and broken anymore
>>16800939>>16800942Not reading anything from you. Take your meds.
>>16800945https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpILIIo9ek
>>16800797pathological lying is a main attribute of cluster Bs like him. Everything that ever comes out of his mouth is just to try and manipulate his "audience." He likely couldnt tell the truth even if he wan ted to because they are psychotic and incapable of correctly interpreting reality much like a legit schizo. They are mind broken due to some childhood trauma and in order to function their minds splintered similar to DIDs or colloquially known as multiple personality disorder. Their mind just writes fictions when reality is too much for them to cope. In their fiction they are never wrong and it everyone else who are the problem (they create everywhere they go).
>>16800141>No Abrahamic religions are just wrongAccording to the laws of mathematics and physics the concept of life and death, or the soul are completely irrelevant, because these phenomena are already known and resolved; we are biobots adapted to one particular environment “the planet Earth”
