So if Jesus turned a cup of water into wine, how much energy would be released to fuse the correct amount of hydrogen and oxygen into wine components? Wouldn't the radiation and heat cause a minor catastrophe?
That’s how He recharged His Power.
no the water stays the same, he added the wine components jesus' power is to create and destroy any matterbut instead of doing something cool with it, he made wine and food
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>>16806504So basically Jesus had the power of producing nuclear fusion within his hands to have such a great amount of energy to transform H2O into a fucking complex chemical composition, imagine him pulling that party trick off in front of his mildly drunken friends, he would have just turned Jerusalem into Chernobyl in a split second and the Bible would be just a few chapters long.
>>16806504No, all the elements are there already. He would have done chemical reactions with H2O, CO2 and a little N2That's extremely endothermic so it would have sucked all the heat out of the room
>>16806556So then it is Absolute Zero Jesus who can also make you drunk to forget the fact that your body is turning into a slab of hard cold ice. That would be a great anime villain.
>>16806504Asking AI these questions are pretty fun exercise as they can do all the calculations for you
>>16806504You can just do that math yourself, anon.This is litrrally first year PChem.
>>16806504They filled "empty" wine amphora with water. The remaining sludge was mixed with the water.
>>16806580>are pretty fun exercisefor who? Are you training for the cognitive disability olympics?
>>16806504why would there be a physical reaction from magic?
>>16806581I know, but I wanted to get anon's perspective.>>16806664I mean, from what we've seen so far even near magical tech has to abide by the laws of physics. I don't really think you can get around fusion/transmutation if you want to turn water into wine, you're missing carbon and the trace elements and there doesn't appear to be another way in our reality. Nuclear power would also be magic to a caveman.
>>16806556He must've fused to generate the carbon
It was all just a party trick. You get some white wine and then add some food colouring to turn it red.
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>>16806698>near magical tech has to abide by the laws of physicsyeah but magic doesn't. that's what makes it magic
He didn’t actually change the water he sent it away to a higher dimensional space and that’s where the wine came from in turn, it was all a big alien Jewish trick
>>16806738>he thinks a magic missile has no particles to it >he thinks the fireball conjured by a wizard isn’t fire >he thinks something happening isn’t actually happening Jesus Christ you people You don’t know what magic/physics is
>>16806747i think the fireball is real, and the conjuring part is magic
>>16806750The conjuring part happened. Physics deals with what is real - what happens.
>>16806751the fireball was not real, hadn't happened. magic made it real, happened
>>16806752You appear to be having a cognitive breakdown.
>>16806753not real, hasn't happened
>>16806747he literally stated>magic doesn't abide the laws of physicsdumbass, magic missile has particles??? what's even a fucking physical magic missile??? why it needs particles???why fireball conjured by a wizard is fire? and how exactly can we ask such questions if, you know, wizards don't exist? jesus christ you people don't know what magic/physics is
>>16806757If something doesn’t obey reality then it’s not real, dumbass.
>>16806547The vases would spill over, as the material inside them would increase by 12%.
Its called a miracle. The point of miracles is that they are things that are impossible, hence showing they are a form of direct divine intervention. Jesus didnt do chemistry to turn water into wine, he just turned water into wine.
>>16806795Retard. God’s miracles wouldn’t be miraculous to Himself. You think God wouldn’t understand Himself? If something happens it’s not impossible.
>>16806798>God’s miracles wouldn’t be miraculous to Himself.they could be
>>16806801Nope. You’re imposing limits on a being that just doesn’t have any. Of course God would understand Himself. He would get perfectly that what is a god, or a miracle, magic, etc, is just a point of view. Religion is a description.
>>16806815>You’re imposing limits on a being that just doesn’t have any.no that's what you're doing
>>16806816Ah. I see. You’re an idiot.
>>16806816Listen, I get it, omnipotence is a paradox and makes no sense — but from the perspective of a Christian their God has no actual limits. So saying the omniscient God doesn’t understand himself is a bit disingenuous. He’d (God) consider Himself a god the same way a human considers themselves a god to ants.
>>16806832>You’re imposing limits on a being that just doesn’t have any.>God’s miracles wouldn’t be miraculous to Himself.sounds like a limit to me
>>16806835>omnipotence is a paradox and makes no senseto us. i'm sure a god would understand it>He’d (God) consider Himself a god the same way a human considers themselves a god to ants.do humans do that? i don't
>>16806837What is a miracle to you? What is magic to you?
>>16806838Omnipotence is a paradox because it creates a logical contradiction: a truly all-powerful being would have to be able to create an impossible situation — like a stone it couldn't lift — which would then limit its power to do everything. If it can't create such a stone, its power is limited; if it can, it's not all-powerful because it can't lift the stone.
>>16806949cool stuff that's not possible. like turning water into wine
>>16806699But there's no rule that he can't use what's in the air--just like plants get their carbon from the air.
>>16806798>God’s miracles wouldn’t be miraculousThe miracle is done for others, its a miracle from the point of view of common people bound by rules like chemistry.>>16807053Jesus didnt do a trick to preserve #of atoms or whatever. He just turned water into wine. Theres no mechanism beyond his will.
>>16806996Okay. What is cool and “not possible” is relative. That’s the point being made here. We’re living in a materialistic world of relativity in more places than one, and this includes subjective perception. What is magic to one is not magic to another.
>>16807158>We’re living in a materialistic worldbut if magic were real we wouldn't be. magic is the immaterial part. someone creating matter and energy out of nothing is magic and not possible
>>16807402>if magic were realThen it’s material. Real. Physics.>magic is the immaterial part. someone creating matter and energy out of nothingTotal conjuration? Quantum quacks already believe in that. :^)>is magic and not possibleIf it happened, then it’s not truly impossible, is it?
>>16807429word games
>>16807434No it’s just logic.
If jesus walked on water whats the upper constraint on his weight?
>>16807429>If it happened, then it’s not truly impossible, is it?Its possible when god does it. not possible for a human to do. The miracle means something happened that indicates direct divine intervention, its not because Jesus did a kweol chemistry trick. Same as when he multiplied fish.
>>16807988See, you’re admitting that it’s all relative. You’re now agreeing with anon.
>>16806504If jesus made 100 gallons of wine, that's 100*3.8 litres = 380,000 mL of wine. Wine is about 10 percent ethanol, so that's 38,000mL or 30400g of ethanol (you can find the density of ethanol here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol). Ethanol has the atomic formula C2H6O, so its weight is approximately 50% carbon. This means about 15000g of carbon was produced. That is about 10^27 carbon atoms. The nuclear reactions which form carbon from hydrogen release about 14 MeV in total (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple-alpha_process, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton%E2%80%93proton_chain). This means about 10^15 joules were released just from these reactions. This is about 10 Hiroshima nuclear bombs, so to answer your question: Yes, it would completely destroy everyone there.
>>16806706>>16806708https://youtu.be/D5gaBrSHX6I
>>16808049>This means about 10^15 joules were released just from these reactionsDidnt because Jesus just changed the materials without doing chemistry. New atoms and molecules just appeared.
>>16806547Making wine and food is precisely what I would do if I had God-given alchemic powers. That, and gold. Jesus didn't seem too concerned with material goods though
So let me get this straight, god can simply make unlimited wine and fish but he makes us work for it?
>>16806504you're assuming you have a full understanding of how the universe works
>>16809270I can only base my assumptions on known phenomena.
>>16809310which do include recorded miracles done by god, right?
>>16806955Nah, such a being would create a stone it couldn't lift (true) and then lift it anyways (also true). Omnipotence is not constrained by a petty thing called logic. It's beyond that.
>>16809315If they fall solidly outside natural explanation, sure. Religion is often correct about people and societies but rarely correct about the physical world.
>>16809209So the guy can make new atoms without nuclear fusion but died when someone stuck some nails in him? You have to be mentally retarded to believe this nonsense.
>>16809405but he woke up in zombie-ghost form
>>16809405He died because he chose to die, not because of some nails.
