Starship in the clouds edition.Previous: >>16802667
>>16806696EIGHT DAYS
>>16806700for what?
i love being collared
2 weeks
I made a life support system design. It is focused on long term reliability without resupply and avoids biological methods in favor of simple chemical and physical methods. Feedback?
>>16806705Core Components and Their Functionality:The system is modular, with subsystems for crew cabin air management, direct potable reuse (DPR) of wastewater, waste incineration, ash processing, air conditioning, combustion, Sabatier reaction with methane pyrolysis, water electrolysis, food production, and resource storage. This creates a near-closed loop: human waste and CO2 are processed into water, oxygen, hydrogen, methane, carbon, and edible biomass, minimizing losses.Direct Potable Reuse (DPR): Wastewater from greywater and blackwater is screened, settled, acidified with H3PO4 to lock ammonium, distilled via MVC, oxidized with ozone-UV, remineralized, and disinfected with silver. This achieves high water recovery (>95%), crucial for closure. Outputs feed into distilled and potable water tanks with UV mixing.Waste Incineration and Flue Gas Processing: Solids are macerated, dried, and incinerated with H2/O2, producing flue gas scrubbed for SO2 and NOx using sodium sulfite and NaOH, with regenerators recovering reagents. Ash is leached for minerals, supporting nutrient recycling.Air Conditioning System: Foul air is cleaned via cyclones, washers, filters, cryogenic CO2 scrubbing, and thermal oxidation, with humidity control and N2/O2 addition. CO2 is compressed for storage and reuse.Combustion and Carbon Cycling: Excess H2, CH4, and C are burned with O2 to produce water or CO2, integrated with the Sabatier reactor (CO2 + H2 CH4 + H2O) and pyrolysis (CH4 C + H2), enabling hydrogen recycling and oxygen loop closure.Water Electrolysis and Food Production: Electrolysis generates O2 and H2 from water, while Xanthobacter autotrophicus ferments CO2, H2, N2, and minerals into biomass, harvested as food powder.This design achieves theoretical closure rates approaching 100% for major resources, exceeding ISS systems (which recover ~90% water but rely on resupply).
>>16806701Turk and Caicos residents having to clean up their island again
>>168067013I/Atlas will collide with Mars
>>16806705>>16806709loser.
>>16806701The final Starship launch
>>16806709Any use for Supercritical Water Oxidation to process organic matter?
Air Force generals waste your money to land cushy retirement jobs at contractors as consultants.
>>16806726It is an interesting technology but requires very high pressures and there are issues with corrosion. Also, you still need a waste incinerator or plasma gasifier to close all loops, at which point you may as well use it for organic waste, too. Maybe in the future when the tech matures.
No potential problems here. Should work like a charm.
>>16806736Nicely worked out cycle, thanks for posting it
>>16806737The greed is insane
>>16806734I wouldn't blame any officer who keeps Vulcan alive until there are other redundancies. They would be derelict in their duty if they solely trusted Chudsk after he threaded to decommission Dragon over a squabble.
>>16806737> A departure point launch configuration for this paper includes an NTP stage which would be launched atop the SLS/EUS Block II configuration, operating as a third stage, and once reaching a nuclear safe orbit (NSO), the nuclear engine would be safely activated. So, we need another EUS to launch this EUS++, because things might go pear shaped. Not a lot of confidence in your workmanship.
>>16806739Thank you. It is still missing detailed incinerator ash separation into usable minerals. Maybe next week.
>>16806329The strange thing is that the average non-space autist will still confidently tell you that Starship is a scam and it'll never work, even when China, ESA and Blorgin are working on their own Starship clones. In general I'm noticing a pattern where people go like that's such a dumb idea, it'll never work, until a couple years later people start scrambling to replicate the dumb idea
>>16806756>anon learns about skeptics
>>16806701thats the traditional time at which the upper stage of a rocket is detached from its booster.
>>16806756>average non-space autist will still confidently tell you that Starship is a scamThe average person has never heard of Starship and is surprised to learn that man hasn't been to the moon in 50 years.
Okay, now this is interesting.
>>16806771>inb4 cope etc.
>>16806771what is it
>>16806771https://www.satcat.com/sats/63235Actually flattening out
>>16806774interesting.
>>16806775>apogee is rising toookay that's really interestingNot gonna get too hyped yet, gonna compare with other sats without thrusters from the same launch
>>16806775>>16806771STOP NOTICING. IT WILL NEVER WORK. EVEN IF IT DOES WORK I DONT BELEIVE IT. TRUST THE SCIENCE (BUT NOT QI)
>>16806774>>16806776>>16806775The general trendline of a decaying orbit is a steadily decreasing period until it rapidly falls off and reenters. As far as I know, period flattening shouldn't happen without re-boosting.
>>16806779This was the orbital period last time I check btw, so its actually gone up since
>>16806782aaand this is BOTSAT, the cubesat without any onboard propulsion I checked yesterday.
>>16806779>>16806782>>16806784So we can safely say that a thruster is producing thrust on the satellite. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a satellite bus hosting payloads for multiple customers? Do we know for sure whose thruster is running?
>>16806779>Earth is not a perfect sphere nor is its gravity well>"ok that's really interesting"Take Schrödinger's Schizodrive to /x/ where it belongs.
>>16806767I run into spaceflight discussions surprisingly much, but in almost all cases it's people saying how SpaceX leeches off government gibs and Starship is a sham etc., but maybe even those people are way more informed about space stuff than the average person, if they actually ended up in a thread discussing spaceflight. But one thing is clear, absolutely nobody knows what a Blue Origin or Rocketlab or whatever is
>>16806788Any Apogee raise whatsoever is a product of thrust. There is no way to raise an apogee without it. The question right now is where that thrust is coming from.
>>16806787Yeah so they have 2 propulsion experiments onboard OTP-2 https://www.nanosats.eu/sat/otp-2>Firestar Water-Ion thruster>IVO Quantum DriveAnd the CEO of IVO confirmed that tests for their propulsion experiments were beginning now (first calibrations/etc), the Firestar test was first around June iirc.https://x.com/RaMansell/status/1967968912001372548https://x.com/RaMansell/status/1968664110905635171We can say that in earnest they started firing the thruster around September and it appears to be working, I dunno what else to say, we'll see
>>16806796ooh didn't see this before>Quantum drive estimated thrust: 1.75mN
>>16806790Just remind them that in 9 months the Falcon 9 delivers more mass to orbit than the Space Shuttle did over 30 years
>>16806796A possible null hypothesis would be some kind of failure of a pressurized system from the Firestar water-ion thruster. It's been more than two weeks since that long duration IVO test, so if it's actually them, they must have worked out some sort of bug or broken it in an interesting way to make it do anything.
>>16806803Thats a good point, we'll see, the CEO said in some replies that they were just mostly calibrating and making sure the electronics and everything works at the start, maybe they started really cranking up those electrons nowApparently pic related is how their thruster is supposed to work and why its called a "quantum drive", and apparently its based on QI but I don't know much about that just some alternative theory to MOND and Lambda CDM
>>16806812My money's on dielectric breakdown and venting into space. If that's what it is, it should stop doing much of anything in fairly short order.
>>16806800>1.75mNSo it's literally useless in practice even if it works perfectly?
>>16806824electron outgassing drive
>>16806825just needs to be scaled up a million times
>>16806825It should scale up with more units. As long as it doesn't break down faster than an ion engine, that alone would make it useful. Assuming it's not an outgassing drive.
>>16806824uhh its a sealed unit, like - entirely contained within the satellite bus itself very bizarre looking
>>16806836If it vaporized its dielectric it becomes an unsealed unit very quickly.
What was the initial thrust?
>>16806825>useless in practiceif you add a bunch more then all you need is sunlight and your satellite is now eternal since it requires no propellant. even if it only offers mN levels of thrust that would be the end of ion engines right then and there. No one would bother using ion engines if there is an alternative that can throost whenever and forever for free.Not only that, but once the physics has been proven then you get wide scale investigation, money coming in from DOD grants and such to improve the technology further.
>>16806839kek
>>16806836If it's completely sealed off how does it produce thrust? Am I just too retarded to get it?
>>16806844electrons or some shit >>16806812I dunno, this is where I struggle to grasp it too
>>16806844QUANTUM VACUUM MY NIGGA.
>>16806844it's propellantless you ninny. It doesn't NEED an opening because there is no mass coming out.
>>16806825>So it's literally useless in practice even if it works perfectly?It is a source of INFINITE ENERGY and PROPELLANTLESS THRUST so no it's not useless.
Why are all these JACKASSES coming out of the woodwork in full dunning kruger mode to try disprove BIG MIKE!Kindly back off cuz u don't know who you are ddealing with.Thankyou for your attention to this matter -
https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/graph-orbit-data.php?CATNR=63235Someone who knows more about this shit than me explain does argument of perigee line sharply going up mean there is positive thrust where there wasn't before? Because the 2 argument of perigee lines here could indicate 2 different propulsion experiments, the one in June being the firestar water-ion thruster and the one on Oct 3. being the IVO quantum drive right?
>>16806855the one in July* I mean
>>16806849it works on the principle of good intentions
>>16806844Isn't the point of it is that it's "supposed" to be a reactionless drive?
>>16806856>>16806855It does have a separate experiment, but that other thruster is supposedly done.
>>16806857It's the unruh effect actually
you guys are all assuming the QI engine was turned on and is working, completely disregarding the fact it was allegedly turned on 2 months ago and the orbit did nothing but decrease. For all we know they've reverted back to one of their other propulsion experiments and that is what is slowing the fall, or they are just using the sats normal thrust system to raise the orbit
>>16806859Right that's what I'm saying, the other propellant thruster was tested before this one I think it was confirmed or rumored, so that would line up with the argument of perigee going vertical in June-July? And now with the propellantless thruster being tested that also seems to line up with the next arg of perigee increase right?
>>16806802Yeah but they just run on government subsidies, or so I hear from these guys
>>16806861>turned on 2 months agoTurned on but not fired, initial calibrations see >>16806796>For all we know they've reverted back to one of their other propulsion experiments Possible but not likely, since September 20th the CEO of IVO said they are testing their drive and appear to still be doing so >or they are just using the sats normal thrust system to raise the orbitThere is seemingly no other propulsion source confirmed thoughhttps://rogue.space/missions/otp-2/
>>16806862That seems to be the case, but the what and how of the current maneuver is the big question.
>>16806868we dont even know if it is a maneuver. how about wait until they make an announcement and stop mindlessly speculating
>>16806868>the what and how of the current maneuver is the big question.Yep and the CEO of IVO is all quiet as of Sep 21 so all we can do is just speculate, I am still trying to contain my hype for now but damn the timing almost perfectly lines up, he wrote about them approaching it all gradually and that was 2 or so weeks ago
>>16806873>his current last post was about the national security implications of maneuvering "without regret">IVO hired a new CEO - retired USAF Space Command General last monthHmm I'm sure its nothing
>>16806855Maybe I misunderstand you: If you are talking about the discontinuities in the green line going from 0 to 360 degrees, that's just because it's an angle. When it is decreasing and it hits zero degrees instead of letting the angle go negative you can just wrap it around 360, because -1 deg and 359 deg are equivalent. The angle is not actually jumping up, it's constantly precessing in one direction. But it's an angle so after one rotation it comes back to the "start". It is just how the data are plotted. See this other satellite which shows the same jumps. It is not the drive.
>>16806874Rogue Space* hired a new CEO I mean
>>16806876ok gotcha thanks anon that was just something I was curious about
>>16806873>The IVO Quantum Drive is the world’s first pure electric propulsion technology tested and validated to Low Earth Orbit environments.Their website says their thruster is already validated. Has said so since 2022. That's all i need to know about this scam company. I'll leave you guys to your religion.
>>16806886Who here is acting like the apparent thrust is a sure sign that it works?
>>16806781>The general trendline of a decaying orbit is a steadily decreasing period It's not actually steady in practice. Drag in the exosphere depends strongly on solar activity. When there are big solar flares the UV light heats the exosphere causing it to expand. That greatly increases the drag.Pic related is a plot Hubble's orbital decay (the rate of decay, not cumulative) against the solar cycle. It can be even more dramatic, SpaceX famously lost a whole bunch of starlink satellites due to launching them in a solar storm. The Solar Maximum Mission had it's life drastically cut short by the huge 1989 geomagnetic storm which caused blackouts in Canada, the satellite reentered a few months later.Also bear in mind we are currently in solar maximum. Flattening could just mean the Sun is less active.
>>16806889Sorry that is the cumulative done. This is the differential one.
New Sloss. Please remember to like and subscribe if you haven't already!>NASA Artemis II, III, IV Quarterly Update #7, 2025 Third Quarter in Review>Another quarter ended, with the U.S. government commemorating it by shutting down. Or something like that. The quarter did end and the U.S. government did shut down, which means NASA activities are blacked out for the time being. While we wait for nothing in particular, I'll review the highlights of what we saw and heard about NASA's Artemis programs during the previous quarter, the third quarter of 2025.>NASA was under some kind of partial gag order about all the future Artemis activities that the White House wants to terminate, even if Congress is still going to pay for them. As Artemis II gets closer to launch, we're see more activities for a formerly public agency like NASA become secret, so that becomes more of a focus of attention when looking at Artemis III and IV in particular.>The administration is deflecting talk about Artemis III delays and concealing Artemis IV activities, so that's taking up more of the reporting than Starship technology demonstrations or Gateway thruster deliveries. It makes you wonder why, but that's the big secret, isn't it?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nK6_3apqvghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nK6_3apqvghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nK6_3apqvg
>>16806891Buy an ad
>>16806893I purchased that post for 1 captcha.
>>16806895i didn't. seemed expensive
>>16806705>>16806709king.
I'm so antsy I really wanna know whats going on already, I hate how these private companies are so secretive I wish it was NASA doing this test but NASA isn't even aware of this I bet, also NASA is shutdown :(
>nasa goes on a vacation>schizo drive starts workingCurious.
>>16806910The funding for the anti-memedrive ray dried up
>>16806908NASA arent in the mood these days to do fringe propulsion which goes against the physics orthodoxy. Every time they try that the media hypes it up and then subsequently makes NASA look stupid when it doesnt work.
>>16806910Who do you think enforces the conservation laws? The answer is NIST.
>>16806914I really hope this isn't just another EM drive, at least its being put to the test in space
I thought the Schizo Drive and EMDrive used the same technology
>>16806934You're confusing Ludicrous speed and Plaid
>>16806701Launch Scrub!
>>16806934nope not even close>inb4 AI
>>16806941Yeah I think I just got them confused because they're both schizo tech
>>16806941I think AI has this one wrong as Exodus Propulsion is also getting some similar throost out of their contraptions and they claim its from electrostatic force or something like that and not QIIts possible the drive works without QI
>>16806942not everything fringe is schizo you retard
>>16806941>AI
>>16806948I said inb4
>>16806946It's schizophrenic to think this shit works.
>>16806957People like you hold back science
>>16806934They were, its unclear how different the one in space is because there are no detailed descriptions. Mike started on this saga by trying to explain the widely discrepant EM drive tests, he claimed it worked. Later some very extensive tests showed EM drive doesn't work, Mike doubled down and said there was some design detail which meant that rig produced no thrust. He now claims he can build better drives based on QI rather than the original EM drive idea. But he doesn't have any definitive lab evidence to back that up. He now claims on twitter he could build levitating rigs and fucking FTL drives. One might ask why he didn't do any of this when he was showered with DARPA money. The the grant is finished and he was sacked as an oceanographer. He is just making more and more absurd claims. It's not really clear if the company who built this payload even worked with him while designing it, they have another quantum bullshit drive based on some other concept.
>16806961Wow, these libtards are so eager to discredit the GOAT.
>>16806961I don't think its QI, its probably a q-thrusterhttps://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20140000067https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20140000067/downloads/20140000067.pdf
>>16806966
>q-thruster>QanonWhat does this mean????
>>16806973schizo drive
>>16806973q-thrusters/QVPT as a concept were invented long before q-anon was even a thing thankfully.The concept is fascinating https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20140005831https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20140005831/downloads/20140005831.pdfhttps://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20060000022/downloads/20060000022.pdf>The uncertainty principle from quantum mechanics indicates that it is impossible to achieve anabsolute zero energy state. This includes the energy state of empty space [Milonni 1994]. It has beenshown analytically [Casimir 1948], and later experimentally [Lamoreaux 1997], that this vacuum energycan squeeze parallel plates together. This “Casimir effect” is only appreciable for very small cavitydimensions (microns). Nonetheless, it is evidence that empty space can present situations where forcesexist when none were naively expected. Theoretically it might be possible to induce net forces relative tothis background energy, but the forces are extremely small [Maclay 2004]. More recent experiments haveexplored the physics of the quantum vacuum using MEMS technology—micro-electro-mechanicalstructures of machined silicon [Maclay 2000, Esquivel-Sirvent 2002]. Continued research on thisphenomenon and through these techniques is expected.
>>16806985NASA Eagleworks was working on it until they got distracted by the EMDrive it seemshttps://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20140005007https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20140005007/downloads/20140005007.pdf
>no apod during shutdownaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>16806994>no apod after shutdown
>>16806991>EMDriveBiggest waste of time award
>>16806734Is this an exaggeration?
>>16807003Seriously, I feel like chasing that dead end contraption set us back half a decade
>>16807005dont know., gold is kinda high right now.
>check upcoming launches>starlink, kuiper, guowang, space force tranche 1megaconstellations won
>>16807026I'm still pessimistic Kuiper will do anything.
Do you think New Glenn will beat out Vulcan over the next 10-years as the “not spacex” alternative?I think yes; BO will strong-arm themselves into 2nd place by force
>>16807031Yes and it's the reason why no one wants to buy ULA.
Data Centers in space only make sense if you are servicing in-space assets. Offloading compute from your satellite to a server farm in space via high speed low latency optical comms utilizing Starlink rather than sending your data down to earth based compute might have a small niche.
>>16807037As far as Im concerned, "data centers in space" is just the new "H3 mining on le moon"
>>16807031Absolutely. They don't even need to figure out booster reuse to kick ULA's ass.
>>16807037>Let's put lots of components producing lots and lots of heat somewhere it's much harder to get rid of the heatData centers in space make no fucking sense except for getting power from solar.
>>16806944>Exodus Propulsion is also getting some similar throost out of their contraptionsShawyer claimed EMdrive had been confirmed interdependently, he was talking shit. The people who are actually trying to sell investors something should not be taken at their word. >>16806991Their results would have been just as garbage as their EMdrive experiments.
do they have fortune cookies on Tiangong
>>16807058I literally couldn't give 2 shits about the EMDrive now or then, it always seemed stupid to me, this is completely different it's also currently in space.
>>16806737NTP third stage based on EUS?
>>16807067>this is completely differentExcept it's not. According to Mike both EM drive and this should work, and both work on the same principle. I agree it's stupid, but it's all stupid.
Many of these economically highly dubious space startups now>Astroforge>Reflect orbital>Datacenters in space (multiple companies)>Kinetic launch (Longshot, Spinlauch)
>>16807080I have my own doubts about QI This tech can work without it >>16806966
>>16807037I can see data centers put inside the permanently shadowed craters on the moon, powered by solar panels outside the craters. But that's only in "space" in the sense that it's not on Earth.
>>16807047It's really simple. Compute loads in space are small so you don't do retarded shit like put up a whole data center. instead you have a constellation of smaller server units and do distributed compute using starlink as your network backbone. you can also do dynamic loading on the network. You can just idle servers to a low power state when they are in the shadow of the earth and the computing task automatically gets redistributed to active servers.This should allow them time to radiate away heat during periods of darkness and also lowers the battery requirement. You can Lower the radiator area that way since you can afford to heat up a bit while in sun so long as your abled to radiate that excess heat while in shadow.Seems far more viable that way than one large data center. And again, since your goal is to provide compute for in-space applications the market is much smaller and compute needs are smaller as well. you don't need something like 100,000 server data center to serve NASA, DOD and commercial customers, just a modest constellation which you can dynamically add compute to over time
>>16807084If any of these sticks it would be a godsent for the space industry but I'm not sure any of them are very promising.Right now space is basically just telecom and defense which is not enough.
>>16807094Also as a rule of thumb the bigger computational jobs requiring huge interconnected clusters don't care about latency that much so there is no reason to not do them on the earth.Distributed realtime is the only edge you have
>>16807100source?
>>16807097None of those will do. Maybe asteroid mining but we are at least twenty years away from that, and it also suffers the chicken or the egg problem.What you need is a miracle material/drug that can only be manufactured in space. Like how the demand for spaces and gold drove the exploration of the oceans.
>>16806910>Trump furloughs NASA>The Conservation of Momentum stops workingThey tried to warn us. Why didn't we listen?
>>16807100If I can do your compute job for your sat in orbit that means you don't really need to put a big computer on your sat at all, you can get near identical times to your sat doing it's own compute job by offloading it to my Hydra™ server constellation. That's the selling point more or less. It saves development time and cost by offloading compute from individual sats to a server network. You don't need to spend any money on integrating a computer into your design or the mass associated with doing that etc etc. There is some really nice cost saving potential there. There is also of course as you said, quick Realtime dynamic compute in space could be very appealing for DOD, or I suppose it's DOW now. If USSF needs a compute job done yesterday then I'm the one to do it. The fact that it's distributed also gives you plenty of fault tolerance and resistance to antisat weapons just like starlink does. you can also add more compute capacity as needed. The issue of lifetimes and replacing components is gone as well now that I think about it. You just deorbit older units and put up the latest and greatest low power ARM compute chips over time. It's way way more feasible like this than the single data center approach it's actually surprising even me.Maybe I should get in touch with rocket lab or something
>>16807112Trump should sign an EO to lower the speed of light, next.
it makes me sad that spacenews articles could have dozens or hundreds of comments per article but now they have maybe 1 or 2 now since going full paywall
>>16807121>c=G=h=1>One big beautiful number.
>>16807121he should increase the speed of light, the problem with interstellar travel is that C is too damn low
>>16807121It would be more immediately practical to raise the speed of sound 10 times
>>16807134*practical/beneficial
>>16807085QI is nonsense, but that wasn't my point. Whether or not QI is real, the two drives are not "completely different". >This tech can work without itNot without it happening to coincide with some new physics.
>>16807133you can go many times C no problem no I will not elaborate
if we just change the definition of a meter
>YFW a gullible Reactionless Drive sucker camps your space general.He's never going to just fuck off to /x/ is he?
No, no. It's not the speed of light, it's the speed of America.
>>16807140all that is theory wrapped up in theory.exotic/white matter has not been proven to exist.dark matter has not been proven to exist.even if they do exist it takes an absurd amount of energy to use them.none of the things that make warp drives or wormholes possible are known to be feasible or even real.donald trump should use his presidental powers and congressional/judicial control to double C, triple it even.woke democrats just hate the possibility that we could leave are solar system so they capped speed at something so low.
>>16807145We’ve had 15-20 yrs of “dismantling” the so-called gender barrier. At what point do they give up on this performative bullshit?
>/sfg/ - Paranormal Propulsion Systems
>>16807145>all of the women are attractiveyikes. the were almost no attractive women at all in my engineering class. i smell fuckery.
>>16807145You just know
>>16807162Elon allows only attractive women in his companies
>>16807162Penn State is the Florida State of the Mid-Atlantic region. If you want brains, recruit out of RPI.
>>16807145I bet they are working on elons rocket most of the time, if you know what i mean.
>>16807164>>16807171Gotta offer some unique perks if you want the guys to work 100 hour weeks
>>16807164>Kate Tice is an Emmy Award-winning rocket launch broadcast host and Senior Manager of Quality Systems Engineering at SpaceX. In this role, she is responsible for SpaceX's AS9100 certification, quality management system, and leads a team of engineers focused on ensuring rocket and spacecraft reliability."Starship exploded AGAIN? Oopsie Poopsie. I'm such a dizzy dame!"
For the negative energy necessary to make a warp drive work, just layer a whole bunch of thin plates within the casimir effect distance of each other in a big hoop shape and, I dunno, spin it or something. It's going to turn out to be that easy, I swear.
>Journey to Neptune>Well this is depressing
we are
>>16806985The NASA version of the CIA remote reading and telepathy programs. Government paid pseudoscience signed off by Law majors that never touched a Science book.
>>16807150Each subsequent generation will continue to larp as suffragettes despite having achieved legal equality decades ago.
>>16807177You need negative matter, negative mass, not just energy. The potential energy in a pair of plates will contribute positive mass to the whole system.
does peter beck respond to twitter posts kinda want to pitch my data center constellation idea to him. if anyone can make in-space compute viable it's them. Neutron is literally the best rocket for the concept. Perfectly sized for launching packs of server sats into orbit.
>>16807128It's already 1 foot per nano second. Can't get any more beautiful than that
>>16807162>he thinks the uggos get hired in the top companies.You'll find the ugly women at NASA or ula
>>16807175>an Emmy Award-winning rocket launch broadcast hostLmao why is that even an award?
>>16807198email him on his work email.
>>16807198Call his daughter when they're having a family dinner
kek
Even the most arid of Earth desert is much more habitable than mars. How do we cope?
>>16807215Wow breaking news earth is more habitable up-front than other planets. I, for one, am shocked!
>>16807215its cheating if it already has air
If cooling data-centers in space is such a problem, why not send up giant tanks of liquid nitrogen? Not only does it cool the servers but the outgassing of nitrogen can create an atmospheric bubble around the satellite, making radiators a lot more effective.
https://x.com/timecaptales/status/1974847578165653637
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPo9wj9K3hY
the future data center in space
people doom about the coolers on these space data centers, but they are basically the samesize as the cooler on my cpu anyway.
>>16806705Where do you route the poisonous shit graphic design?
>>16807215You've obviously never been to South Tucson.
>>16807207>Tice received the 2019 Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Interactive Program.It was for her Eating ASMR videos.
>>16807229This may sound like a retarded question, but can you make a foam-like liquid radiator? something like this:1. launch the datacenter, satellite, whatever.2. that sat has a can of that liquid, in space it will open and it will get out the liquid, that hardened stream will have contact with the copper pipes fro the sat and that heat will be ran through the foamIt may look horrible but it could work if such a material exist that can work as good as copper for heat management
>>16807226cow tools
>>16807207I understand, a good broadcaster is good PR for your company.
>>16807240There's a reason that's called foam insulation. Which is the opposite of what a radiator does.
>>16807229The future data center is underwater actually
>>16807248I know, but if people are so worried about weight foam-like structures could be useful to make quick big volume solids, like walls and stuff. the radiator liquid could be made of other stuff that is more heat conductive but the idea is to have canned "something"
>>16807249why not just import water
>>16807249>>16807249>just put it next to the water and put just the radiators in10x your profit margins with this one simple trick
I just got the pdf of "All tomorrows". I got scared and stopped it reading it kek Im a bitch. it was 2:40am so not the best time.
the only pdf file is you.
>>16807264>"All tomorrows".down the rabbit hole here we go, wish me luck
is there any good honest work to be done in space that isnt telecommunications?
>>16807289Nanomachines, son!
>>16807275kek
>>16807289imaging is the other big one after telecoms
>>16807289just wait until aerospace companies start with the AI bullshit, any minute now
>>16807289glowie stuff
>>16807299data centers that are crypto mining when not being used for ai
>>16807289tourism
>>16807289worldwide persistent amti/gmti
>>16807289lunar gps
>>16807289If the space force ever got serious about putting permanent outposts in Earth orbit or on the moon then maybe more opportunities would open up for random contractors. Hard to say if it would foster a new market, or if it would all just be outsourced to the usual suspects (i.e. northrop grumman, spacex, etc for miscellaneous things)Other anons are right though—telecoms and imaging and other spooksat stuff is about all there is. Manufacturing, probably not. In-situ resource collection even less so. No one gives a shit about lunar hydrogen or oxygen and no ones is making anything like steel or raw ore and shipping it back to earth
>>16807315they can rent from vast or axiom
>>16807315>steel or raw oredumbass
Luna is so beautiful
>>16807322*Selene
>>16807289pharmaceuticals and optics
>>16807320?
>>16807256yeah but the sea floor is free real estate. The beach is prime real estate
>>16807363For me it's aquarius reef base
Anyone else signing up for Europa Sea Base to fulfil starfleet service obligations?
>>16807374>>16807376I know it's a textbook example of "don't create the torment nexus" but we should build a big ass structure/city/research base at the bottom of the atlantic
>>16807382I agree
>>16807363There's a lot of rivers and gpu clusters are expensive enough that the plot of land doesn't matter that much in the total cost.It'll be like power plants just pumping river water through heat exchangers and dumping it back in
Venus cloud colony datacenters
Ok but for real there is nothing stopping RL from doing in-space compute. It's totally doable. The real question is whether or not there is an actual market there or not
>>16807393I imagine you'd only start to see efficiency and profit if you scaled up really, really large. RL probably doesn't have the capital to do it. They couldn't even take out a loan big enough to produce all the hardware needed. Jeff could brute force it. SX could divert a strategicly large portion of Starlink rev to get their foot in the door on it. But again, you would have to be launching basically daily - even more than Starlink currently is.
>>16807397I don't think you would need 6000 servers to start servicing customers
Schizodrive status?
>>16807404
>>16807404absolutely booking it through space
>>16807404A Qsurfing shitsat just flew over my house!
I cant wait for Elon musk to die
>>16807415t. trannoid
>>16807418t.arisen adolf hitler
Daily reminder for the health of the general:
>>16807389yeah but that's a limited resource and maybe we shouldn't pave over all of nature for fucking data centers
>>16807424yeah we should do something green, like cover all of nature with solar panels
>>16806737Just build a fission fragment engine you you fucks
>>16807425Sounds good to me. Nature has done nothing but try to kill me as long as I've been alive.
>>16806737NTPee is stupid
>>16807427holy shit. Yeah why the fuck aren't they trying this out? oh right radiation...
>>16807223just put the data-centers in northern Canada and dump the heat into the fucking "polar vortex" or whatever that shit is that blasts us every winter
>>16807432Radiation is a meme, just brap in a direction you don't care about, the exhaust will be far outside of any travel line humanity is going to ever use.
>>16807424>maybe we shouldn't pave over all of nature for fucking data centerskek look at this tree hugger here, he wants to preserve some nature at the expense of crypto mining and personalized AI porn video content
>>16807432>muh radiationLiterally just don't stand in front of it. It's that simple. Space is already heavily radioactive
>>16807427Remember that proposal that was a “light sail” but instead of transferring momentum from solar photons it instead just used imbedded radioactive emission material
>>16807449thats only good for small craft but yeah it's something. Better than solar sails for surehttps://youtu.be/dGRImalMVOE
>>16807451>10 kgBro [math]\unicode{x1F62D}[/math]
>>16807461forgot picWhat is the “oort cloud laser”?
>>16807463I'm gonna take a guess and say that's where the beamed power cutoff is. Kuiper belt laser means you are beaming power to your sail until it reaches the KB and whereas Oort cloud is the cutoff for that laser. Also strange there aren't any plasma drives on here
Why are there so many posts/threads about meme propulsion and orbital mechanics lately?
>>16807496you're being conditioned
>>16807496The meme drive is active and throosting
>>16807496All generals attract the worst off-topic, meme and scz posters.
>>16807496Because it's almost 2026 and investing billions of dollars and delving into nook-euler regulations just to produce a steam engine from the 1970s for a measly 500 extra ISP in your spacecraft isn't ambitious enough
>>16807496Because the memedrive may actually be doing something right now
>>16807192Nuh uh. It just werks, you'll see
Those seats on the Holiday Inn roof are $75 per. Probably no rain checks or refunds for scrubs either.
Even if the memedrive works, I will refuse to travel in spaceships that use it, out of principle.
Damn. That's a lot of satellites.
>>16807526its a lot, but they are midthe truly capable satellites, with DTC on the new spectrum, are a Starship and Starlink V3 productNext year matters, these are rookie numbers still. the big ones are coming (if elon's slaves can do it)
>>16807496There's an unexplained apogee raise on a satellite that's packing a meme drive as a hosted payload, and the memedrive is the only thruster that shoud be running right now.
>>16807530that's all the proof I need, thanks chiefI'm going to take this as a confirmation and run with it in the media tomorrow morninginvestors will eat this shit up, and now I have plausible deniability if its all a fraud(I know its a fraud, but on here, its anonymous lol)also, I support Israel and I wish them the best of luck in all of their pursuits (Verification not required.)
>>16807504
Autstic aerospace gf that fiberglasses (?) her bed https://x.com/sierras_account/status/1932231132579262801She is perfect
I poope and shitted the poopy
>>16807574thank you for being European in the spaceflight generalyour free health care entitles you to diapers when you apply
>>16807574You're seething
funny how this thread dies now during euro hourseuropeans have been utterly buck broken and it's beautiful
>>16807587It's truly unfortunate, imo. The time is now to be looking forward, towards what will soon be possible with cheap, abundant, and regularly scheduled super heavy lift launch capability, and Europe is still looking back at and trying to fight a long past battle they have already lost.
>>16807129>try to land on europa>get skewered on an ice spike
>>16807613Attempt no landings there.
>humans spent at least a millennia writing stories about hostile aliens on mars>turns out there's a credible chance we came from marsMan the big guy upstairs really has a insane sense of humour
Why are >people here so against the memedrives? if they don't work whatever was a nice try. And if they do work is a nice tech to have on sats that need it. Are they memeing or just retarded? like for example this guy >>16807518, If he's that mad I assume he's paying that research with his own pockets.>>16807625> unironically based
I have nightmares about the term meme drive showing up in actual rocket designs like how cope cage became the actual official term in military hardware.
>>16807646because before it actuall shows some promise, its pointless to talk aboutcranks are a dime in a dozen
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1975069327050318030
>>16807060No, they don't even have fortune cookies in mainland China.
>>16807145Liz is now married, looks worse in a close up and is actually a senior real estate manager in Seattle, not an engineer.I am completely disappointed by this photo.
>>16807654couldn't warp drives in wh40k accurately be called meme drives because warp entities are psychological memes given physical formst. got entire knowledge of warhammer from shitposters on 4chan
>>16807177There's enough negative energy here on /sfg/ to build a fleet of warp drives.
>>16807184GAAN
>>16807249I hope some day all of Microsoft can be relocated to the bottom of the ocean
>>16807289war and colonization
How do you reply to this without sound mad?
>>16807299have you heard of Elon Musk?
>>16807389They already do this in data centers
>>16807679Yep that's trueAnd the "warp" really refers to how fabric is made of warp and weft, with the weft being our visible reality and the warp being the hidden underlying fabric
>>16807587Spaceflight is not compatible with Islam and the illiterate unwashed hordes of darkest Europe
>>16807685Just be glad the normgroid menace will stay on earth
>>16807236it is just a default mermaid style
>>16807654Do they have a backronym for cope cage to make it sound serious?>Contact Ordnance Protection Emplacement Meme drive could be>Mass-Electric Momentum Emitter
>>16807654lol
>>16807698>>16807654It already has the name horizon drive.Cope cages were unnamed.
>>16807698>Do they have a backronym for cope cage to make it sound serious?No, no they don't
>>16807692Why do Euros do this to themselves?
>>16807706lmao its actually real wtf
>>16807707Meh this comic implies the average euro is a hard worker who is beholden to, and held back by, the EU. That’s not the case. If this was instead a jap and the ball & chain was a japanese flag it would make sense. But the euro is boomerfied and tied down by NOT wanting to work, by vacations, by lax views on immigration and justice dispensation…What’s holding europeans back is the ball of le epic enlightenment and self-centeredness and fart-huffing culture
large article reviewing spacex's recent purchase of echostar's spectrumhttps://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/10/starlinks-ambitious-mobile-plan-could-be-trouble-for-apple-att-and-verizon/
>>16807716God PLEASE make xphone I would gladly shill out money for hardware and cell service that isn’t apple or microsoft or verizon or AT&T, everything is gay now and sucks
>>16807715>>16807707The hardest working Europeans are the Germans.A German once told me that his two months of yearly vacation wasn't enough, because after visiting his family he didn't have time left over for "a real vacation." He didn't say this in jest. He expected me to sympathize. It is impossible to overstate how inferior most foreigners are.
Sneed Drive
>>16807656>cranks are a dime in a dozenYeah but very few reach space
>>16807680real
>>16807727still a crank until proven otherwisei will get excited when there is actually some evidence
>>16807738fair enough, in the meantime its fun to follow along with it and try to speculate imo>meme drive daily updateit's... doing something, orbital period has stayed steady at 94.75 for the past week after months of dropping
>>16807743THE MEME DRIVE IS NOT DOING ANYTHING IDIOT. THAT IS BECAUSE OF SOLAR ACTIVITY.
Mike drop.
>>16807753not this crank again
>>16807750Okay if that's the case then why is this other cubesat also launched on the same ride (and without any thruster) continuing to drop off in orbital period while OTP-2 is remaining steady at the same time? Similar orbital altitudes and everything, I'm genuinely curious https://www.satcat.com/sats/63216
Avi Loeb is back and this time he bets it ALL on Atlas, says its a big deal if there are signs of technology!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YIXobFV-jU
>>16807756QI DOESNT WORK NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU COVER YOUR EARS AND GO LA LA LA. DARK MATTER IS REAL. TRUST ACTUAL PHYSICISTS.
>>16807758He's wrongLets see what Juno will see... oh wait, thanks incompetent congress
>>16807587When you posted this, it was midday, so people are probably at work or school
>>16807761Juno didn't see shit
>>16807764it has cameras/sensors/instruments it could still train on ATLAS, too bad some petty budget disputes got in the way
>>16807756well tell me anon? >>16807750I don't know enough about solar activity effects on the atmosphere
>>16807772QI ISNT REAL.
>>16807773It doesn't have to be for this drive to work, quantum mechanics is real, the Casimir effect is real, this drive is supposedly doing something akin to the Casimir effect
>>16807773Is an aproximation based on capacity for abstract thoughtThis goes there, weather control is a job of nature, nature bends to weird forces like rain drops, who are mind you very hard to math
>>16807777HAHA. IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY STUDIED PHYSICS YOU WOULD KNOW IT ISNT REAL. CONSERVATION OF MOMENTUM? THIS IS KINDERGARTEN STUFF
>>16807756Comparison between the SMA of BOTSAT and OTP-2, noticeable and obvious difference therehttps://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/graph-orbit-data.php?CATNR=63216https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/graph-orbit-data.php?CATNR=63235
>>16807779Energy isn't conservedMomentum isn't conserved
>>16807779>Energy Extraction from Vacuum: QI predicts that by manipulating these horizons or gradients artificially, energy and thrust can be harvested from the vacuum itself, similar to the Casimir effect (where quantum fluctuations create attractive forces between close plates) but asymmetrically for propulsion.
>>16807785>>16807787>>>/x/
>>16807794Look I know Einstein talked about spooky action at a distance but that doesn't make quantum phenomena paranormal
>>16807787I'm interested how this mechanism works.>>16807794c'mon man there was literally a fucking Veritasium video on this. It's known physics. No time symmetry means no conservation of energy. Makes me wonder why Tired Light hasn't seen more interest desu.
>>16807576>diapersthat's IDF
>>16807779I'm sorry but anon got quads, you must be mistaken.
>>16807463Damn Cassini, I wasn't familiar with your game. Was the Titan IV rocket just super overpowered or something?
I will remind /sfg/ of the expendable starship.
>>16807813Titan 4 was the peak of chemical rockets. Just look at this fucker. SRBs done right.Would have been a better rocket if the core sustainer actually used real fuel though.
>>168078145T to LEO aspirationaly. Realistically, one banana
>>16807815She might have been expensive, but damn was she sexy
>>16807815They weren't too confident with air started engines back then (J-2s being an exception). Hypergols are much simpler for this purpose. >>16807813Heavy lift rocket with a hydrolox upper stage is nothing to scoff at. If the Russians had a proper upper stage for Proton it would've had higher performance.
I need to get back on building my own casimir-effect-adjacent schizo drive
>>16807129I like how Callisto looks like the night sky
You bought it right?
>>16807815
I’m not moving on from the Astra BLM virtue signaling. Faggot company
>>16807840Juno?
>>16807844What caused this?
>>16807215By doing it anyway.
>>16807353advanced fabrication, cretincrystals, exotic organics, metamaterials
>>16807851eleon announced meme drive tesla roadster 2
>>16807322>>16807323Khonsu**
>>16807779nothing in QM demands or even vaguely implies conservation of momentumquantum tunneling is a thingtry to be less retarded next time
>>16807692>>16807707>>16807715>>16807719
>>16807862holy shit straight to >>>/pol/ do not pass Go
>>16807849Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
>>16807865gonna call it that from now on to piss off the devs until they add human astronauts
>>16807862post your country's flag on mars
Good morning r/sfg>>16807663This is extremely freaking badass
>>16807871Why does a Rover has gridfins
>>16807871First try btw. :)美国人是猪。宇宙属于伟大的中国人民。
>>16807880Based Chinese. WE LOVE YOU GUYS
>>16807880Yeah courtesy of JPL's data/files/secrets, you're not impressive, you're not welcome.
how many windows you want
>>16807862Kek I get your point, but America is still productive. Even our grift projects like SLS-Orion mog everyone else
>>16807885>those landing legsSomeone explain to me how, after the fuel tanks are run dry and all the mass is in the top of the ship, they are going to make this metal dildos stick the landing consistently?
>>16807890engines + engine skirt ballast
>>16807883keep shitting yourself you seething negroid
>>16807888It's sad but true. Ultimately it comes down to different cultures where America promotes excellence, hard work, and pride in your country, Europe is the complete opposite. WWII killed and sedated us but for some reason it had the opposite effect on Americans and nationalism shot through the roof.
>>16807893Hows Zhurong doing btw :) Haven't been any updates in awhile (1 year)what's wrong? :^)
>>16807880>first tryImplessive. How long did the rover last, or is it still going? The US rovers always exceed the original mission length, I wouldn't expect any less from the Chinee one.
>>16807880easily the fourth best rover to ever grace the red planet, but it does count. shame no one else can pull it off
>>16807895Tianwen is moving along nicely.How's MSR going?
>>16807896>How long did the rover last, or is it still going?347 of the planned 90 sols. pretty respectable
speaking of rovers, what happened to this piece of junk?
>>16807895Enjoy your fake Moon landing
>>16807900You know whats not respectable? Hacking into JPL to copy their Mars rover specs instead of doing the hard work to R&D and build your own
>>16807902It got arrested for breaking the speed limit
>>16807885should they go with F9 legs? seems risky. what if one or two fail to deploy?
>>16807902ESA will officially gift it to ukraine for use as a suicide drone against tanks, its a better use of it
>>16807905JPL is crashing out hard rn, not a great example.
>>16807911I mean the hacks and total network access to JPL was around like 2010 or so
>>16807911People do tend to be upset when you steal from them, that is the natural reaction. Naturally I wouldn't expect communist filth to understand.
>>16807851it's a day ending in Y
>>16807913Absolutely seething
>>16807912Not my fault you lost the technology to go to the Moon
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1974813068627697780
>>16807851Model Y cheapo edition
>>16807921other companies didnt have enough payloads to make reusability viable
>>16807880NASA did it on their first try too, 45 years earlier.
>>16807921>isn't just x - it's y
>>16807927did SpaceX? that sounds like an excuse
>>16807931em dashes (—) for good measure
>>16807931the worst part of this is that as people interact more with ai they start imitating gptspeak
>>16807871
>>16807921implications better be orbital construction rather than homogeneous mass-produced LEO satellites, which is not /sfg/?
>>16807929no they didn't
>>16807941Yes, they literally did. Viking 1.
>>16807932>did SpaceX?yes because they were expecting the demand to eventually come from large numbers of rides to mars so they had to develop reusability anyway
>>16806734>>16806741USSF generals on ULA's dime have been calling for entirely new class of satellites that uses the 'unique capabilities of the Centaur V upper stage'. Ha, take that FH!
>>16807950There's been a class of USAF/NRO brass that's been interested in the idea of space-maneuverable payloads for decades. There's an argument to be made for having spy satellites that don't show up overhead on a publicly posted schedule, but they're going to lose out to the "always overhead" capabilities being marketed by the starshield faction.
>>16807952I don’t understand the spook obsession with movable payloads, quick orbital changes, orbital servicing… seems like an autistic fixation. Like cross-range capabilities for the shuttle.
>>16807956If the Soviets know when your KH-11s are passing overhead, then they'll know when its safe to leave the new MiG prototypes out of their hangers because you're not overhead. The Area 51 crews had to deal with the same issues when Zenit and Yantar satellites were going over. Maneuverable satellites can let you catch the Chinese by surprise and maybe get some decent shots of their new sixth gen fighters when they're out for testing. Orbital servicing ideas are mostly a vestigial holdover from the KH-9 days when spy sats were all still using film. Sending up a shuttle to swap out the kodak canisters was theoretically cheaper than launching a whole new satellite on a Titan III after it ran out of film.
>>16807970We’ve moved on from physical film but yeah, there’s still interest in sending service ships to refuel sats and extend their shelf life instead of shutting them down just because they ran out of fuel for stationkeeping
>>16807970orbital servicing is important for orbital nuclear-pumped lasersyou do NOT want those things to re-enter atmosphere for any reasonyou DO want to refill the can of tritium with actual tritium every few years
>>16807947so no"eventually from mars" is a ridiculous point
https://x.com/Astra/status/1975174467254202592>Sound on! Here’s the recent hotfire of Astra’s most powerful Rocket 4 first stage engine.Still alive
>>16807983They specialize in thrust along the horizontal vector. Someone tell Mr. Chris Kemp that, eventually, they actually need to try successfully going up
>>16807987smartass punk.
>>16807921>Elon admits F9 production maxed out at a few dozen new units per year>Continues to claim he can make 1000s of new Starships for a one way trip to MarsThis guy is going away for investor fraud. Forever.
>>16808003I am taking a guess here but I imagine Elon was taking in to account a limited amount of customer demand and starlink launch needs. At a certain point you have "maxxed out" your factory output to meet the demand. It's not like they are going to just exponentially make more and more and more and more and then have a warehouse full of 1000 F9 cores gathering dust.
>>16807743You Mom must be glad you found a hobby. How about doing it somewhere else? Perhaps /x/ where pseudos belong?
Why didn't Orion end up doing anything for Commercial Cargo and Commercial Crew?
>>16807646>Why don't people want to talk about Flat Earth and the stars being embedded in crystal spheres in this space general? Just having fun guys!
>>16808014That's totally the same thing as an experimental propulsion unit currently on a satellite in orbit undergoing testing!
>>16808017Yes. It is. Pseudo Science is all the same.
>>16808020Then you just can't seem to see nuance, that's not my problem
>>16808014Oh shut up and lurk more. Meme drives and alternative thrust devices have always been a side topic of the general. Z-pinch anon, helicon double layer thruster autist anon, Mike McCulloch and quantized inertia is a long-time staple.
>>16808007Elon has said, and they've got him on tape, he's launching thousands of Starships to Mars every 26 months during a 29 day window. None of that lines up with the production or launch infrastructure he's building.
>>16808026>Erm, I think we landed in the wrong Sea of Tranquility
>>16808033Cool I like his ambition, also his investors are private and he isn't beholden to public investors (aka retards)
>>16808026Hopefully they add waves which toss you around, and real weather.
>>16808027Yes. Generals attract ignorant gullible fools who have found a captive audience for their fringe posts. You should not be proud of what you're doing. You should feel shame.
>>16808026>get your ass back to the ranger, now!
>>16808038impulse is NOT a conserved quantity, faggotsomeone will find a way to push against empty space, eventually. cease and desist your whining
>>16808033It's a bit hard to judge a Starfactory's line production rate when Starship is still in the incremental design phase. Once the design is frozen into a mass production model we can start making an assessment.
>NOOO HE WON'T LAUNCH THOUSANDS OF STARSHIPS TO MARS BUT ONLY DOZENS AT FIRST>THIS IS TOTAL FAILURE AND HE NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL
>16808053this but unironically.
>>16808033Nice bait. I'll take it.They're building two large scale factories with multiple assembly bays and lines for ships, and even with the design changing every other hull at low rate production, they're still producing significant numbers of units annually. They are making significant progress towards the production scale needed, even while a lot of hard work remains to engineer the vehicles and ground systems for this kind of operational scale and tempo.
>>16808043What's the plan to store and maintain those thousands of Starships for the 25 months he's not launching? What's the plan to land them all at once at Mars during a one month window? All that could be sketched out now, and would be if this wasn't billionaire outgassing.
>>16808060A lot of them are going to be carrying cargo, so there's no downside to loading them up and then parking them in orbit before their departure window. You only need to be quick when you're dealing with impatient cargo like people. The rest of your objections are just retarded.
>>16808060Anon… come on now. Are you pretending to be dumb? Sorry to be mean but this is such a dumb question lol
>>16808057Where and how is Elon going to store the thousands of Starships and hundreds of Boosters for 25 months waiting for the one month launch window?>I don't know but Daddy Elon will make it happen! Daddy can do anything!
>>16808068they will transform the useless salty wetland into a booster and ship staging ground
>Elon will store them in space!Dear Lord. The Elon Cult.
>>16808071Why is that a bad idea? It's not like you're going to run out of room in orbit, and that way there won't be a bottleneck with superheavy launches. It's a lot more practical than just building a really big warehouse, which would be the other option.
>>16807932>did SpaceX?Yes, SpaceX was already dominating the market before Starlink existed. Starlink only exists because SpaceX developed F9 reuse beforehand.
>how are you gonna like store them even?>heh what a dumbass to not spend your effort right now on building ten thousand concrete storage pads when you haven't even got one mars rocket to store>what are you going to do when on the way to mars you packed 1000 potatoes but all the crew prefer tomatoes of which you only have 200 and then they run out of tomatoes and refuse to eat the potatoes and starve?>bet you haven't thought of that billionaire guy!>i could do this so much better if I just wasn't living in my stupid whore moms basement
>>16808020>everything I don't like is Pseudo Science!
>>16808012Because 1) it is intentionally overweight to protect SLS and 2) an SLS-Orion cost several billion $ to procure.
>>16808075You plan before you build. You simulate before you operate. None of that is being done.The guy who burns your grilled cheese sandwich is going to manage thousands of fully fueled Starships in orbit for years.
>>16808079This is why people are calling you retarded. You don't need to keep them fueled in orbit. You just park them. I'd also like to know how you're so certain that no planning is happening, because that seems like an assertion without any evidence behind it.
>>16808082>You just park them in orbit unfurled!How do you fuel them all in space in a single month?>Shut up!
>>16808084You move them over to the fuel depot. Then you fuel them
>>16807956The real answer is that big, expensive satellites can easily be targeted by very cheap anti-satellite weapons, like a few mil a pop vs a billion dollar satellite
>>16808084A depot
>>16808093And any kind of thruster you could put on the billion dollar satellite will not make a difference to being hit by an ASAT missile
>>16808097that's why you park a whole bunch of cheap hydrolox interceptors in orbit
>>16808103I can see them leaving their upper stage in orbit after each Kuiper mission, waiting to be refueled for this purpose. But they need to ramp up their launches.
>>16808107They sound serious about *wanting* to do Centaur evolution concepts, but they aren’t nearly ambitious enough to try it unless NASA basically gives them a blank cheque
>>16808107there is another company looking at doing this but I forget the name. they are fairly new
>>16808097That depends on what kind of ASAT is being deployed. A STO impactor is going to have too much acceleration to be easily dodged, but those also only work against hardware in lower altitudes. At higher altitudes you're more likely to be using some kind of kamikaze satellite with propulsion that's comparable to what you could install on a military satellite as a defensive measure, and then you're into a situation where dogfighting would be possible.
>>16808091How do you fuel those thousands of Starships all in one month? How do you refill those depots in one month?>Shut up!
>>16808110They need someone to cut them a cheque. Vulcan is no where near as as profitable as Falcon 9 is and a lot of what ULA makes gets siphoned off to Boeing and Lockheed. Everything they want to do requires some sort of major funding from an outside party.
>>16808116the real answer to this is moon derived fuel and hydrolox tugs
>>16808116You fill the depots using these. The problem that orbital storage solves is not having to build a huge warehouse to keep your starship fleet in (which you didn't seem to like or think was possible), with the added benefit of being able to use a large percentage of your superheavy launches to moving propellant to orbit. >>16808119But I think something like this is going to be required if your going to launch a thousand starships. Using lunar oxygen reduces the overall quantity of propellant required by such a huge margin.
>>16808121Sure but My point was reduce ALL propellant mass brought from earth by docking with a tug that does your all or most of your TMI for you. it would reduce the amount of refueling flights you need to do
>>16808110Jeff should just buy them at this point and merge it with the Blue Moon concepts.
>>16808118ULA has actually done some pioneering work into ZBO hydrolox tech and they should be working with BO to develop it if they can't find funding from NASA and the military.
>>16808123That's actually not as impractical as I thought it might be. You could probably get the Starship-specific fuel load down to around a single refueling flight, but you'd also need to find a way to tank up something in the size neighborhood of a Saturn S-II for the departure burn. You might be able to use something based off of the GS-2 if you stacked a pair of them in series.
>>16808135You can fuel up tugs and launch them directly from the moon. No need for staging whatsoever. Moon has aluminum for making the tanks. If you want to get even lighter you can use those fancy non-flammable magnesium Alloys they are looking at using for EVs. Don't know much about their material properties at extreme temps though so don't quote me on that.
>>16808116You use a big depot, retard
>>16808116You fill up the depots during the months that you're not trying to send a thousand ships to Mars all at once.
>>16808121>lunar oxygenHow about a fleet of atmospheric scoops?
>>16808142How do you get the big depot up there? How do you get the fuel to the big depot? How do you get scores of Starships on and off the depot each day?There is a craft called Capacity Planning. There is a science called Queuing Theory. People who actually understand Operations have done both. They don't just say "Elon can do anything!"
So the moon does have Calcium in some abundance so a Magnesium Calcium alloy could be used for ultralight tanks but I can't find a free resource on the material properties of this alloy anywhere.
>>16808151You build the depot like any other station. You get fuel up there with rockets. You move the empty ships around with tugs. And SpaceX has enormously talented operations people. You're aware that they operate the majority of satellites in orbit and had exactly zero of them seven years ago, right? If people like you were in charge, not a single damn thing would ever get done.
>>16808152There's also titanium everywhere
>>16808156>Elon can do anything!And that's why the Elon Cult is a cult. They're just a delusional as the EDS sufferers.
>>16808068thats what you are worried about? fucking storage? lmao
>>16808151>How do you get the big depot up there?You launch the depot on superheavy. It's derived from Starship>How do you get the fuel to the big depot?Tanker Starships>How do you get scores of Starships on and off the depot each day?Dock them, then undock them. You're not going to have capacity issues there because you're going to need a lot of depots, so the number of dockings per depot is actually fairly small. Why are you freaking out over easily addressed issues?
>>16808159When you default to "I hate Elon" you are just conceeding that you have no argument.
>>16808152just as long as you don't start a Helvetica scenario
>>16808074the question wasn't about starlink, it was about developing a reusable boosterand they weren't dominating it when they started developing the reuse you retarded nigger
>>16808159There we go, you've run out of things to say. Why don't you go take a nap and we can get you a juice box after?
>>16808159fuck off retard
>>16808091If you attach two Falcon 9s to the side of the depot, you have a Starship shuttle.
>>16808169Back in the 1980s Martin Marietta actually thought about building a Shuttle-C variant without the cargo section for moving bulk quantities of hydrolox to storage at Space Station Freedom
>SpaceX is deorbiting about two satellites per day and expects that number to rise to five per day as older Starlink bird meet their end of life and are replaced with newer versions that have higher capacity. This might be bad for the ozone layer as it's postulated that the high aluminum content of satellites (for perspective, Bennu samples are only 1% Al), as oxidized Al2O3 particles in the stratosphere, catalyze chemistry that destroys ozone.Is this a real issue or just butthurt astronomers finding a reason to complain about Starlink some more?
>>16808172>Space Station FreedomDual keel design got me so hard.
>>16808157sure but the point is to lower the drymass of your hydrolox tug using in-situ materials. you aren't gonna get lighter than a MagCa alloy. The issue Is I can't find material properties chart so I have no idea if it is even suitable for use as a cryotank, especially for hydrogen. It might get too brittle at those temperatures or the thermal cycling might be bad etc etc
>>16808175Just make them out of steel.
>>16808175It's butthurt, but it's not completely without a scientific basis. The amount of junk that burns up daily in the atmosphere is pretty high, but a measurable change in the volume of certain materials burning up could have a measurable effect. It's still nothing that's proven.
>>16808175>might be>postulatedhmmmmmmm
>>16808180better make them out of wood instead
>>16808179also relative abundances here, magnesium wins out over titanium but not aluminum.
>>16808172The fact that they would need to do shuttle c to deiver useful tonnage to orbit really hilights how shuttle was doomed. This kind of high cadence multi launch campaign is exactley where a reusable craft should be economical.
>>16808177Please change the NASA logo in this picture to MAGA and then I will support the dual keel design as well
wouldnt it be viable to build bricks on the moon and send them back to earth? ithink they could be cost competitive with earth made bricks if done right.
>>16808185They expected (initially) to be able to do cheap, two week turnarounds with each orbiter. With a fleet of four that'd give NASA about 104 flights per year, each carrying about the same cargo as a Falcon 5. That's abut what SpaceX managed with Falcon in 2023. If the original projections had been anywhere near accurate it would have worked.
>>16808175meme drives fix this
Trump's buddy contractor is going to do a shit job cutting this fella apart for it to be sent to Tejas. It will be a sad day when Mexican welders put it back for display and the buddy contractor collects 200 million for the shit job. You will actually see the folds in the shell as it will just be covered with white plasture.
>>16808201Don't they still have the transporter plane for it? Use that.
>>16808201>plastureWhat balkan hellhole are you from?
>>16808161The scale of operations in question isn't going to be a small thing: this is going to be like D-Day, and it will only be reasonably planned out when they know for sure what the capabilities of their systems and technology are. Organizing it will be tumultuous, expensive, and will require years and years of planning to carry out.
> “Discovery is the most intact shuttle orbiter of the NASA program, and we remain concerned that disassembling the vehicle will destroy its historical value.”Any contractor willing to sell me some left over screws from the reassembled shuttle?
>>16808209>this is going to be like D-Day>Organizing it will be tumultuous, expensive, and will require years and years of planning to carry out.Good. It's about time we did something grand again.
>>16808181Earth has been receiving about 500 kg Al from meteoritic dust daily for the last n billion years;Refs: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016703718304095 - 1% Al in chondriteshttps://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/meteors-meteorites/#:~:text=Scientists%20estimate%20that%20about%2048.5,seen%20on%20any%20given%20night. - 50 tons daily
>>16808201I only see redditfags and butthurt troons on spitter mad about this. I’m no ted cruz fan, but Shuttle was shitty and we don’t need to immortalize these orbiters. Chop it up and send it to JSC, I say. Expand the saturn v hangar and put a Disco next to it. These fags are acting like one little sneeze and the thing will fall apart and cease to exist
>>16808168We get it. You hate Math and have a shaky grip on Reality. But, as they say, Reality doesn't care about your feelings. The numbers always win.
>>16808201wasn't this mainly ted cruz, not trump
>>16808201And who is this mysterious contractor?
>>16808235Ted Cruz is Trump's puppet
>>16808234you don't even have a coherent argument and keep moving the goalposts when one retarded point gets demolished
>>16808237wrong, the white house wanted to cancel SLS after Artemis 3 and Gateway completely, Cruz was the driving force in keeping it funded anywayso at least in this issue they seem very opposed
>>16808161>Elon will build one giant depot!>Elon will build hundreds of smaller depots!>Elon will (insert magic spell here)
>>16808194Sure, if you could boost them indefinitely, that would be nice, but technology upgrades and equipment failures means there still would be a need to deorbit sats from time to time, though obviously far less frequently.
>>16808241No, no one ever said that Elon was just going to build one depot. You just thought that because you're retarded. Elon will build hundreds of giant depots. It's a lot simpler than building Starships since you don't have to worry about any of that tricky reentry business. They're just big 9m diameter tanks. What about any of that is implausible?
>>16808238>You don't have a coherent argument against my undefined incomplete illogical plan. I win!Save a copy of this thread. In 10 years, if there are hundreds of depots with thousands of Starships with hundreds of colonists in orbit ready to launch toward Mars, you win. Otherwise, you lose.
>>16808237Cruz, at least as far as space and congressional NASA-derived jobs are concerned, is pretty much a lone wolf on a jihad to keep up bipartisan support for long drawn-out programs
>>16808203Been in a static museum for almost 10 years. Following Houston tradition it has been left outside to rot.
>>16808246the more you post, the more retarded it gets lmao
>>16808240>>16808249I stand corrected
>if shit nobody argued for doesn't happen in this arbitrary time period I pulled out from my ass then I win this argument nobody is actually having with me
>>16808257Brutal
>>16808257who are you quoting
>>16808266Everyday Astronaut.
>>16808249And some anons thought when Shelby retired, that would be mostly over.
>>16808251At this point just seize the one in NYC its already in the Hudson Bay and take it by boat.
>>16808226>but Shuttle was shitty and we don’t need to immortalize these orbiters.That's not an argument for burning hundreds of millions to move it. Also a reminder: JSC lost the competition because their proposal was boring and low effort. All they were going to do is build a tiny little hanger
>>16808279
>>16808274That would be the least deranged option, but it wouldn't satisfy the texan egos. Enterprise isn't a "real" shuttle because it never flew in space. Hence the amendment specifying it had a space-flown vehicle.
>>16808286I'll write to our mayor and tell him to fund an expedition to recover the skull of the last Kazakh khan Kenesary Kasymov. Some autistic Kazakh business owner acquired rights to the last surviving buran orbiter when he acquired the rights, shares, and holdings of a random Energia subsidiary, and said he is willing to trade the shuttle for the skull
>>16808286they should just wait until a starship has flown and take that? Starship is native to Texas it makes no sense why they wouldn't just say "hey elon when you get done looking at that starship you just caught let us have it for a museum or smth"
>https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/AUPress/Display/Article/4250446/the-commercial-lunar-economy-field-guide-a-vision-for-industry-on-the-moon-in-t/did we look at this?
>>16808296LUNA10 is old and I've brought it up a number of times. There is basically a whole consortium of companies that are all organizing to provide services to each other and create a viable cislunar ecosystem. https://www.darpa.mil/sites/default/files/attachment/2024-12/dr-michael-nayak-luna-10.pdf
>>16808296>>16808300I like what they are cooking here>5 starships a year
>>16808300>Mining and ISRU: Sierra SpaceLunar Dreamchaser bros... WE WON.
>>16808302They also talk about re-ISRU which is basically taking defunct ships and robots and recycling them as a cost effective measure of obtaining materials. Neat stuff
Because NASA is shut down, it's up to citizen scientists or something.
>>16808307china has a space industry, europe has a space industry, japan, india, russia, uae...stop relying on the US to hard carry everything
they are already looking at scrapping starships for the juicy juicy steel
Behold! The wonders of Space!
>>16808312hmmm
>>16808310>europe has a space industry*Raffs*
>>16808310ESA drew a picture. Then crashed into Mars. Does that help?
>>16808313ITS OVER. WE ARE OFFICIALLY IN A PICKLE IN 2 MORE WEEKS.
Hey Bill, how many genders are there?
>>16808322>10 trillion genders is Real Science™>studying quantum throosters is pseudo scienceSorry but the science community is broken.
>>16808322guy is a millionaire, he could fund some space science on his own
Wearing your puppy play mask to the NASA protest. Odd flex.
>>16808322Wasn't Congress already indicating they plan to ignore the WH budget proposal and fund NASA science at a similar level to the last few years? Seems like the protests now should just be about reopening the government so said funding can actually go through.
>>16808325All of his millions came from NGOs and USAID, and he doesn't seem to be the kind of invest in anything other indulgences for racial grievance. I mean, really, Bill? All that crowd and there's only one black? It's going to be interesting to see where Bill's net worth goes in the next few years.
Guess "Whitey on the Moon" no longer a problem.
>>16808331>fund Nasa biglyI want bigger Nasa budget but I also want them to cancel stupid shit like SLS orion and gateway. Does that make me a space centrist?Anyway I personally think we should tap the DOW budget and use Space Force money for mutually beneficial projects like the strategic propellant reserve as that benefits both the defense sector as well as commercial space and NASA
>>16808335Yeah I think this is the centrist view. Cut the bullshit fat like 20 years of Constellation-SLS-Orion, Gateway, MSR grifting, etc. I don't necessarily want NASA budgeting to go down forever, but it needs to go down before it can expand. I don't intrinsically disagree with the message of these protestors on paper, but in reality they would protest anything because it's political to them.
>>16808335>strategic propellant reserveIs there a shortage of oxygen and methane?
>>16808339We have a ton of it down here in the gravity well. We don't have aliens running gas stations out at lunar orbit or low earth orbit at the moment, no. And it would be nice to have full tanks there
>>16808339It's for in space filling which is inherently cheaper than shipping it from earth. Even if you get full reuse on starship and get the *most optimal* launch price where your only cost is fuel (it won't be) still looking at ~3mil per launch of only 100-150t of propellant. More likely it will be something like 10mil+ per launchIf you are launching the same prop from the moon the lower gravity means you don't need a superheavy and associated fuel at all, so you can ship way more prop from the moon for cheaper compared to earth. That's the theory anyway
>>16808341Satellites orbit. They use thrusters for adjustments, but that's not a major constraint. Typically tech ages out before they run out of propellant. And it costs prop to get to a tanker or have a tanker come to you. Everyone, except NASA, is moving away from Battlestars to constellations of small sats.
>>16808344Pity there aren't pools of propellant sitting on the lunar surface waiting to be drained. Think they just hand waved away the cost of infrastructure and processing.
>>16808351There is going to be a high upfront cost no matter what. The cost to LEO is dubious though because starship even at 10m a launch can do 100$ per kg to LEO since it's 10m/100,000kg. Even at 40m it would be cheaper to launch from earth than from the moon if their price per kg is 500$
>>16808354wait no I read the chart wrong it' s way worse. They are saying like $4k per kg from the moon. Even if starship, fully reusable, launches at current day F9 prices of 70m per launch it's still going to be way cheaper to launch prop from earth. ULA boomers are delusional what the fuck. If they can't get the price per kg down to under $100 to LEO then they are completely doomed in that market.
>>16808354Memedrive solves this
>>16808367meme drive would destroy any need for propellant in the first place if it can be scaled up at all
>>16808370throost output scales with power a bit and drives can be stacked for added throost, if it works its gonna be the only way to get around in the solar system but that's not a bad thing when Mars will be like 2 weeks awayWas looking at the moon just now, its 3-5 days away, thinking about how with a meme drive its potentially a couple hours away from being on its surface at least for a small payload, kinda crazy to think about all that we know about spaceflight and operating in space will change, makes it feel too good to be true, probably is
Memedrive is a meme
>>16808371>too good to be trueLets be real there are a lot of things that are "too good to be true"If you told someone from the 60s that phones would be mobile and also be computers that can do literally everything while being small enough to fit in your pants pocket they would laugh at you and ask what you were smokingIf it works people will look back and wonder why the fuck we didn't invent it sooner.
Rocketry is a meme >Moving around the solar system by exploding liquids together and ejecting the gases out the back of your little shipCome on now
ITS OVER
>>16808380>t.
Anyoney excited for Starship 3.0?
>>16808389Yes the three musketeer rocket is going to work, 200T to orbit, trust the plan
>>16808395v3 will be 75-80t
>>16808398Probably not
>>16808398>75-80tLol
>>16808395>Yes I am a poopy butt sniffer and I eat big shitsWhy would you say that?
>>16808404>>16808406Get shit on by facts
>>16808411How in the fuck is V4, HLS or otherwise, supposed to land anywhere except chopsticks? MF gonna tip for sure
big window? you mean header tanks lmao
>>16808411>factsSay that again when it actually flies.
>>16808415that again when it actually flies
>>16808411If SpaceX stuck with 12m, we wouldnt need to worry about cramming engines or pencil dick stages. in fact, they could probably easily hit ITS specs. 10000tf for V4 compare to 13033tf for ITS. Never forget picrel
Chodeship
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1975395657385984139New trucks for Starbase workers
>>16808425I work for a utility company and the boomers told me cybertrucks arent good work trucks. though they never included them in the pilot program so idk
>>16808426Boomers dont know what they dont know.
https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=99395746&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch>SpaceX>STARFALL>inspace manufacturing
just to illustrate how important it is to get the mass to orbit for starship as high as possible
>>16808425
>>16808432Just for reference even at 100mil per launch 200000kg to orbit is 500$/kg. Spacex could literally expend starship and still get better $/kg than falcon heavy.The best case scenario of 5million per launch @ 200t is 25$/kgMusk wants starship to be 2mil per launch.
>>16808434Sorry but Tesla isn't making these, it's a concept car. They'll never be street legal
>>16808436>Musk wants starship to be 2mil per launch.That was before Joe Biden destroyed NASA and the economy, before COVID
>>16808447Look the point im making here is it does not matter how expensive the launch cost ends up being. As long as he gets that 150-200t payload to orbit you are still getting a dramatic reduction in $/kg. Obviously lowering the launch cost as much as as possible helps too but its ultimately just icing on the cake if they can get to single digit millions. They could drop full reuse, launch at current f9 prices, and still beat out any other rocket on the market in terms of $/kg just because of payload mass alone
>>16807229What does this kanji mean?
Here are my numbers. Feel free to make fun of me if I messed up.
>>16808462F9 is here at ~20t @ ~80mil = ~$4000 which is about right.
>>16808432>high as possibleumm ackshually the chart says just get it around 80 - 100t and beyond that probably isn't worth the effort
>>16808472Depends on launch costs. If they never get full reuse working then higher payload = better. If they can demonstrate full reuse and get launch cost down to 5 million then yes 200t is probably overkill since you doubled your payload for a mere 25$ per kg saving over 100t
>>16808439They are literally illegal where I live.Which is a shame, since I would rather them than your standard truck
>>16808439>>16808506oh no, better never do anything, some jew lawyer might not like it!how about do it anyway and ignore the stupid jew law? why are you confined by jewish laws? fucking do whatever you want and stop worrying about stupid shit like "is it legal?"its an ugly truck, its in production, and its real, there is nobody that can keep you from buying onelawyers are the absolute scum of the earth
>>16808175Ten thousand tons a day of micrometeors enter the atmosphere daily. It's nothing.
>>1680842012m would have been a functional abre minimum, but SO fucking sad he didnt go for 18m to begin. Short sighted imho.The 18m ship today would be a fat chode with the dimensions closer to a flying saucer than a rocket, but you would have practically infinite room to scale the craft vertically with time without needing to retool anything apart from the upper stage GSE. It would have theadded positive of being completely impervious to windshear and stuff, kind of important if you plan on airline-like rapid flights.
>>16808428>Boomers dont know what they dont know.but they "know what they got"it's so tiresome
>>16808530these arebuilt of different materials than are commonly found in micrometeorites.
>>16808121>orbital storageIf you thought the reeeeeee from astroonomers was bad about Starlink, just wait until there's a few hundred of these babies in LEO.
>>16808345Is this a gaza thing?
>>16808541Im curious too, guessing a NZ thing because the city scape is first world and most of the people are whitebut still, no matter where, the Jews have ruined it
>>16808547>>16808541Yeah it's NZI think that's part of Auckland university.>Is this a gaza thing?No they're talking about total earther genocide
>>16808547>>16808550I meant whether it's over gaza, not in gaza.
you now remember there were a lot of people that unironically thought Adrian Dittman is Elon Musk and the account was some elaborate ruse
>>16808567is it not elon?
https://x.com/aarontburnett/status/1975381760579150064
>>16808568Are you retarded? No need to answer
>>16807382>sunken city in the atlanticThe Greeks did it already and better
https://research.33fg.com/analysis/starfall-intro-to-the-in-space-manufacturing-series>Take‑away: When Starship’s launch costs drop below $110/kg, DI (disruptability index) crosses 1, and the model suggests ZBLAN can be outright cheaper and better than silica for premium routes, exactly the sort of niche that an early Starfall capsule could start making ground on. At Starship’s aspirational $20/kg, DI ≈ 5.7, a no‑brainer.
>>16807880Your Chinese is bad enough that I almost believed you were Chinese
>>16808580>starfall is uncrewedwe sleep
when is the next shitship shart?
>>16808020>he doesn't know there are different kinds of tape to testembarrassing
>>16808580They have to do something about payload deployment solutions above Starlink but this is pretty exciting stuff.
>>16808595also, the engineer in charge of this program definitely mains a balance druid
>>16808592NET 13th october
>>16808592TWO WEEKS>>16808600more or less
>>16808580why would you want to have capsules instead of just doing whatever it is in the payload bay and landing the ship back on earth?
>>16808629because you want to use the ship for something else during those weeks or months
>>16808633but if you are building 1000 ships a year whats the point?
>>16808439lmao what
>>16808634is this a real question?
>>16808580>20$ a kgMy chart remains undefeated
>>16808331me at Habbo Hotel on the left>MOONS CLOSED DUE TO AIDS
>>16808634this guy is right. if you have an abundance of ships then you can just keep one or many starships in orbit ready to be loaded with 100-200 tons of downmasss. Utilizing starship for up and downmass is the most economical solution since it's fully reusable. Using other capsules or LOFTID type inflatable heatshields would add extra expense. The issues I can see are whether or not the product can survive the re-entry and landing forces. If no, then there is no point in making it in space. Utilizing starship for up and downmass is the most economical solution since it's fully reusable. Using other capsules or LOFTID type inflatable heatshields
so the QI sat is still losing altitude ever so slightly. It sounded like their experiment was supposed to raise the orbit which means the force it's providing is significantly weaker than expected.
>>16808506Weird, I've seen one or two driving around my little midwest town already this summer.
>>16808664The preening libs out here all traded in their teslas for rivians
>>16808663Magic Mike knows what to do. Trust the plan (tm)
>>16808662why do you assume the capsules aren't fully reusable as well? a full starship of product is a lot of product, also one product might take months to manufacture while something else might take a week, you might want variable gravity and so ontying up a whole complex starship for months doesn't make sense, not at first at least and there will probably always be some niches that can't use a starshipthe only cases where I see using whole starships is if the production cycle is short and the production quantities are massive, those are pretty big qualifiers especially if you are talking about something like drugs where you are talking about grams, milligrams or even less for single doses and a massive litany of different products
>>168084209m ships will work well enough to get this shit barely scraping by, which is ideal engineering. 18m ships will come when they're needed.
>>16808677if the product you are making isn't at scall you are better off launching with varda as a rideshare payload. I was specifically talking about Zblan here. It doesn't make sense to eat into starship's payload mass to pack in a bunch of return capsules when starship itself is a "return capsule"
>>16808681Starship can only be reused if it lands on a tower (or I guess you could add legs and land at a pad next to a giant crane and a giant ocean barge)Pods are for next-hour Amazon prime delivery directly to your doorstep
Starlink photobombing as Maxar satellite tries to collect intelligence. This is a problem.
>>16808684cool, who is ordering 200t of zblan on a tuesday?
>>16808684If you are doing in-space industry then delivery to the actual point of use is ridiculously unecessary, it's like having a private jet land on the road outside your house. Not to mention the sonic boom which would blow everyones windows out. The things manufactured in space can be delivered to a well prepared launch/landing site where they are then transported to the point of use by terrestrial means.The only use for these entry pods is for very non economical supply to crisis areas. Even then, Starship being ready to launch 24/7 at a moment's notice is pretty far away so you would be better using a plane.
>>16808681but this is basically what varda is doing, its just spaceXs version of it (though I doubt the capsules will be as tiny but who knows)I would imagine there is some minimum size you need to have full reusability of the capsule
>>16808681>It doesn't make sense to eat into starship's payload mass to pack in a bunch of return capsules when starship itself is a "return capsule"what if they want the payloads returned to specific locations like australia or saudi arabia?
>>16808685>ground imaging satellite flying higher than starlink slopNigger, what are you even doing.Maxar needs to be replacedI used a Maxtor HDD in like 2002, it was cheap after mail in rebate from Circuit City. It lasted as long as the warranty, 12 months exactly, then it died and I lost everything
idling starships for months costs a lot by leaving the asset (starship) there doing nothingstarships aren't free, they have a lifetimeits a big opportunity costhaving manufacturing capsules also allows the capsules to be launched as rideshare with random other satellites
Jeff Bezos follows the SLS weirdo on X
>>16808711Common knowledge newfag.
>>16808704If you aren't building starship catch towers all over the planet then you aren't taking in-space manufacturing seriously
>>16808426The original specs were good but as they've adapted the design for mass production, many of the compromises have made it meh. What I find really funny is that around here almost all the Cybertrucks are driven by soccer moms.
>>16808688>The only use for these entry pods is for very non economical supply to crisis areas. Even then, Starship being ready to launch 24/7 at a moment's notice is pretty far away so you would be better using a plane.They're intended to be orbited in advance and de-orbited on demand.
>>16808715ITAR
>>16808721You think ITAR covers the tech they already use to grab containers at automated Chinese ports
>>16808721why would that ever be an issue. SpaceX obviously is going to control every landing site and handle offloading cargo
>>16808726listen, i just don't want to talk to you.
>>16808729too fucking bad??
@grok what's Starfall
>>16808331b-but I thought that we had to fix Earth's problems first? didn't we all agree on that?
@grok respond
>>16808331I wonder if any of these dorks know the first thing about stuff NASA does on a daily basis. I wonder if they've even heard of Artemis, let along know the first thing about it.Cancel SLS and let JPL make 20 outer planet probes instead.
>>16808746Obviously they know about Artemis. To protest about NASA means you haveto actually know the most basic grazing things about NASA.
Readers added context:NASA is a meme
>>16808747>inb4 "Don't defund the Shuttle!" protest signs
@gork is this true
>>16808752yes, child
>>16808580>Why yes -- we can squeeze a semiconductor fab into a Dragon. Why do you ask?Glad Elon isn't making unrealistic promises again.
>>16808746SLS was optimized for outer planet probes thoughbeit
>>16808761Are they going to use it for outer planet probes?
>>16808760a unconfirmed leak is now a promise to you
>>16808761>Use SLS at $4 billion a pop to launch your space problemNot going to happen.
>>16808763And when Elon puts up the PowerPoint slide promising that at his presentation, you'll be right in front clapping the loudest. Probably crying happy tears too.
>>16808765>it was real in my mind
Are floating cities on Venus remotely realistic? How come no-one has built a floating city on earth
floating cities on jupiter tho
>>16808766did elon fuck your mom in a dream or what is going on herestop getting mad about imaginary things
>>16807871>machined plate and holesThat's probably the most expensive flag ever made.Chat how much do you think it cost?
>>16808770explain how they float
>>16808779I gave that contractor tree fiddy!
>>16808331A proper plan to fix NASA would be to cut most of it like 80 %. Let it shake down for a few years then slowly add people back that's better vetted. Isaacman could have done this
>>16808790Thats a plan to rape NASA and have it never recover.
>>16808556Most of /sfg/ is autistic. Please understand
>>16808796its been useless since the 80's
>>16808778>Stop saying mean things about Elon! *cries*
>>16808798This is really a comical level of delusion or trolling. NASA has been performing worse than would be optimal, yes.Congress constantly telling them to do 180s rather than focus and gain momentum in one direction is one issue.being one reason.Having been saddlied with shittle for 30 years is another.Those problems are compounded by lack of funding, meaning that no big initiative can get off the ground, and since nothing can get off the ground they waste so much time tinkering and rarely get to reap the rewards at the end of the proccess because the plans are already cancelled after 10+ billion of wasted dev cost on program x.All thos problems noted, NASA is not useless. Case in point, SpaceX would not exist without NASA.
>>16808798>>16808817And NASA ends up way over budget and behind schedule on programs... Just like every space company ever including SpaceX who were meant to be launching Starships to Mars in 2022 btw.
>>16808685I hope to see more of SpaceX cucking spysats
>>16808817>because the plans are already cancelled after 10+ billion of wasted dev cost on program x. >original price of program x: $1.5 billion
>>16808827Have a single example? Didn't think so.
>>16808831>MSR? What's that?
https://x.com/anduriltech/status/1975613430645285132https://www.anduril.com/article/anduril-and-raytheon-successfully-test-highly-loaded-grain-rocket-motor-for-air-to-air-weapons/
>>16808852https://x.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1975618329617572279
>>16808817>Those problems are compounded by lack of fundingMore like compounded by the boomers running nasa wasting as much time and money as they can get away with.
what does highly loaded grain mean?
>>16808858What does google say? My firearms based intuition telle me that means very fine grains of a powder that tightly pack together
>>16808858Denser propellant mix, one would naturally assume.
>>16808858Higher density solid rocket motors.>>16808861My intuition concurs.
>>16808861I tried googling it at first, thats why I askedthe sites just say its advanced and difficult and a big improvement, but not what it actually issomehow more tightly packed propellant to make it denser? something to do with the microstructure of the grains or something? I have no idea
>>16808866I'm borrowing from another field but usually this is best achieved by making the grains finer.
>>16808858you compress it in a trash compactor
>>16808855any actual numbers on % gain on range for what
>>16808856It feels like NASA wasted 50 years following Apollo until you realise how truly ambitious Shuttle was compared to how primative rocket technology was at that time. They went for SRBs in large part because they were considered safter than liquid engines, that's how undeveloped liquid engines were at the time. They aimed high and flopped. The first chance for NASA to recover from the Shuttle disaster was 2011 with the retirement of the SHuttle, but that was under Obongo who precluded manned spaceflight development. So the only real chance to start was 2016, around the same time SpaceX unveiled Starship.Which that context it is understandable.
"Anduril gots Highly Loaded Grain. It's what rockets crave."Looking at references, appears to be micro and nano sized particles of metallic additives to the usual mix.
>>16808875
>>16808852>>16808855Unrelated question, why my 4chanx shows these posts with that pink color and unloaded pictures? What does that mean? I don't remember doing that before
>>16808888doesn’t smaller metal particles just mean a faster burning grain? or is that smaller oxidizer particles?
>>16808894[REDACTED]
>>16808898The particles are coated to control the burn rate. Rocket Skittles.
>>16808885>They went for SRBs in large part because they were considered safter than liquid enginesTheres no way this is true. SRBs were the newer technology at the time. Liquid rockets had decades of development behind them. Not to mention on the face of it solids make crew abort basically impossible in case of failure with burning chunks of prop eating the parachute.
>>16808892>almost a 50% range boostthis is incredibly good what the fuck. That's increasing our effective range for attack by several hundred miles.Aim 260: 200km -> 280kmAim 120 160km -> 224km (big deal!!!)
>>16808852>warfightersAstronauts to be renamed as spacefliers
>>16808908I forgot to list about the surface to air and sea launched but yeah this is a big deal
I thought I understood space but this filtered me so hard I uninstalled it after 15 minutes and went into a depressive state for the rest of the dayhttps://youtu.be/c57YFwIAuKs
>>16808915Try Orbiter
>>16808908how big of a deal is it?
small golden dome updatehttps://xcancel.com/sentdefender/status/1975632896062071147#m
>>16808905With the vertical launch glider spaceplane they designed it was impossible to do crew abort anyway, so if a single booster engine turned off at any point for any reason then it would mean a loss of crew. Back then there was no such thing as a mature engine design, especially not one that could be the booster for the shuttle. From that perspective solids were safer because they never turn off when lit. The solids would put the craft fast enough and high enough that there would eb some chance to abort if the liquid fuelled main engines failed.
>>16808885NASA went with SRB for the Shuttle because Congress and the crossover with long range missiles. Remember that this was during the height of the Cold War.
>>16808948thats part of it but they also went with them becuase there was no liquid fuelled engine that could do the job safer.
>>16808831>jwst
>>16808861With SRBs, the entire block of fuel is considered as a single "grain". If it's segmented like shittle SRBs, then each segment is a grain.
>>16808933
>>16808948it was to keep Thiokol engineers employed so that they could keep supporting ICBMs
>>16808964It's over Golden Dome bros...
>>16808915eh at surface level the avionics look similar to well, an airplane's. I guess you have to know how to fly a plane in a decent sim like X-plane as a base so you can feel a bit more comfortable. Looks cool
>>16808885Shuttle started as fuchuge with giant internal tanks. Then external tank with LRB. Then finally with SRBs. SRB was the cost cutting camel's nose to get the program approved. NASA then kept tying to get a fly back or refurbishable LRB started, but could never get Congress to sign off.
>>16808965This is the actual answer. Plus they were incentivized by the fact that LRBs would be way thinner and would die with a slam into the ocean, whereas SRBs would he a hell of a lot thicker and [on paper] facilitate easier reuse
>>16808976What engines were intended for the Shuttle LRB?
>>16808980Since the designs were all paper studies, there was a stack with every possible variation of propellant, engine and mode of operation.
>>16808980https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19910013061/downloads/19910013061.pdf
Have we considered not creating new a new /sfg/ until an actual launch is nearby? That would prevent schizos and that one tranny who hates Elon Musk from ruining every thread with their seething
>>16809011I think our pace of new threads is actually slower than F9 launches
>>16808976Why were SRBs cost cutting though?They were cost cutting because no engine existed or was even close to existing that could have done the role. Suhc an engine would need to be developed and then extensively tested, moreso than any of the Apollo era engines becuase it would need to pas a much higher reliability bar.
>>16809011No and gb2x
>>16809011It's October we are allowed to be a little schizo. There is also nothing wrong with entertaining the unlikely so long as everyone is aware of the null hypothesis.
>>16809014>F9 launches more often than /sfg/ stages
>>16809015>Why were SRBs cost cutting though?NTA, they were cheaper than doing the r&d and production for LRBs and had more “known unknowns” than LRBs, which had more “unknown unknowns” with regard to reuse
Big Mike Drive Update? Are they just not doing any throost tests or what?
>>16809029THE DRIVE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!
>>16809027Exactly the point. Today we are coming to a point where liquid rockets are mature, but back then it was a big question mark and would definitely kill crews (as opposed to SRBs which had the potential to never kill crews).
>>16809034Well duh, we’ve seen insane profess since 2015 (mainly from one company, I guess I’ll throw BO in there as well though). Propulsively landing a liquid booster is insanely good return, and extra bonus points for using engines like Merlin or Raptor or BE-4 that facilitate optimized reuse and fast turn around times.A thing /sfg/ used to argue was whether or not you could land an orbital booster in the 90s or 00s. Lots of anons used to claim the computing power just wasn’t there. Idk if that’s true or not, but what is unequivocally true is that NASA and the old guard never tried it and Musk took a chance and won big. People were laughing at spacex even when they began landing boosters back in circa 2015-2017
>>16809037>NASA and the old guard never tried ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXcTFfV3LsThey did try it but the issue was to get funding you had to 'one up' shuttle, ignoring the fact that shuttle didnt work. The reason was that the space launch market was just too small for reuse to be worth the initial development cost, so everyone was vying to get the big contract from NASA fro the shuttle replacement. The logical next step for the 'shuttle 2.0' was to make an SSTO of some kind, which of course was doomed to fail.SpaceX werent stuck to that constraint and developed booster reuse because of the singular vision of Elon Musk, and then they made it make sense after the fact by coming up with a reason to launch boosters onece every other day.
>>16809027It was less a question of maturity than up-front development cost for a given quantity of thrust and delta-V; a liquid booster would cost more create than a comparable solid, but everyone knew from the outset that their operating costs would be higher than liquid boosters for the same job.
>>16809051"Every other day" is still less than the capacity they're aspiring to or what there is market for now; the creation of this rapid launch capability made constellations of satellites viable.
>Flight 5 = Flight 6 = Flight 10 = Flight 11Entertainment bros.....
>>16809067Inshallah we shall leave this wretched V2 era soon
>>16809034>the potential to never kill crews>kills crew anyways
>>16809077Hahahah
>>16809015SRBs are cheaper because they're a tube full of solid fuel with a nozzle. Simplicity is cheaper -- until the Utah contractor puts on the squeeze.As for engines for a LRB, there were existing choices, there were development choices and clean sheet choices. Again, these were proposals not programs. And there wasn't anything outrageous being asked from the engines. The Shuttle Main engines were the serious development problem.
>>16808993>>16808980>6 expended RS-25
>>16809102dreamchaser lets goo000
>>16808922I've been told it's the biggest of deals, let me tell you, I know about deals, the best deals in all of history.
>https://x.com/astro_Pettit/status/1975689151467938057>My best sighting of a Starlink satellite "train" from orbit!Absolute kino
imagine the Starship 50+ Starlink train
>>16809119Children don't remember when they used to launch 60 at a time
>>16809117Pettit is an all-timer. This is insane
>>16809117posting this vid without context on /pol/ and saying its UFO's
POOH SHISTEY RELEASED FROM FEDERAL PRISON.ELON MUSK NEEDS TO LINK UP WITH HIM.
>see neat space startup>check careers page>they're only hiring senior engineers:(
https://x.com/ProjectKuiper/status/1975671301286039845>Our KF-03 payload is on the move. Launch with SpaceX is currently set for Thursday, Oct. 9 from Space Launch Complex 40 in Florida.
>>16809140must really suck for bezos to be forced to launch on falcon 9 lmao
>>16808663If there's any force whatsoever then this is a world-changing discovery. I still don't really believe anything is happening at all.
>>16809148Mike will explore alpha centauri with the error bar drive soon enough
>>16808685>out of my way, glowie fucking shits
>>16809140>forced to use falcon 9humiliation ritual
>>16808685>look our sattelite happened to be over a chinese base>please buy our imageryThis is at best supplementary intel the defense agencies pay for to help keep them solvent. The NRO has better stuff.
>"Care to comment on the recent OTP-2 trends?" Yes, I would, but not yet. We are being very cautious about claims. My biggest thing is to root out any & all false positives during LEO testing just like we did during terrestrial testing. When it's right, we'll share clear results!IVO CEO post
>>16809158What's interesting here is that they are clearly still testing their drive on OTP-2 now, not any other thruster
>>16809159We must explore the thin line between hopeful optimism and delusion
>>16809161I'm really good at that, the trick is to have healthy self doubt, this could turn out just like LK-99 did and I'm prepared for that
>>16809164>LK99lol I forgot
>>16809158It isn't working but they can't admit they are a scam.
>>16809014We're becoming the New Glenn of generals...
>>16809117Where will we get our orbital time lapse kino after ISS deorbits? There should be a manned cupola in orbit at all times. >but that's a waste of budg-SHUT THE FUCK UP RETARD WE ARE A SUPERPOWER
>>16809186one of the CLD stations will stick around
Okay. Thanks.
>>16809195hell yeah
>>16809195>CNNSo there's no news, then
>>16809195"actually planet Y is an alien spacecraft"- Avi earLobe probably
>>16809204real>here's why its REALLY different this time!
>>16809214Man it would be really embarrassing if aliens just sort of showed up and immediately get confused as to why we thought a regular ass comet was them
>>16809215>umm why does your spacecraft outgas co2 and nickelThen further embarassment for asking such a dumb question.
>>16809218I figured it out guys
>>16809137no one gaf blud
>>16809137>POOH SHISTEYHis name is Pooh Shistey?? I've been saying Poo Shistey. Oh I've been making a fool of myself!
>>16806861The CEO of the company said back then it was powered on to test electronics but not thrusting. Now he's saying maybe. RaMansell on xeeter.
>>16808977the SRBs were probably the best things that ever got strapped into that abomination>>16809128based>>16808688MOBILE INFANTRY, OOO RAAH!
>>16809327>MOBILE INFANTRY, OOO RAAH!STEEL RAINhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4om7AuID6BY
>>16809195Fucking millenial planet
>doinkThis graph elbow will be in history books.
>>16809333looks like it outgassed and now it's running out of whatever it was outgassingeh. good enough to con another batch of investors I guess
>>16809158>Yeah guys this thruster effect that is under our complete control has such a weak signal to noise ratio we can't be sure if it's working or not. We need your money to fund a bigger mission to make sure.
How will thunderf4g cope if the meme drive works
>>16809343nu-Thunder hasn't been busting pseudoscience for ages.
>>16809333It would be nice to finally find an exploit in our world that didn't involve Alcubierre level scifi. We've boiled a lot of water and gotten really good at Newtonian mechanics, but the fundamentals seem absolute.
https://x.com/AndrewCFollett/status/1975609620552180141>One of the ladies who approved these grants told me the Mars airplane project I was on "was overly white." >It was one of 4 finalists, but wasn't selected and got defunded for more global warming satellites.>Why I left science and entered politics.
>>16809335>good enough to con another batch of investors I guessfpbp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4zS6elBOIU
>>16809195Planet? Fuck right offIt doesn't exist, but if it did the astroonomers would explain why it can't be a planet and CNN would claim it, too
>>16809419Oh no Mike Brown set up this whole thing so HE can discover a planet. He'll make sure planet 9 is counted as a planet.
>>16809356Nuke NASA, gut NASA, strip academos at NASA of their titles and authority
>>16808770I see floating boobs there
That time X-37b launched on a FH
>>16809446For some reason it feels like that happened in the same timeline where Halley's comet crashed on the Moon.
I've been gone for a few weeks, did anything interesting happened?
>>16809467meme drive is still a meme
why is new shepard's stream so cringe?
>>16809467SpayseX ordered the immediate scrapping ofall Starship upper stages and are moving to disposable upper stages only.
>>16809470Because benzos is cringe
>>16809356Oh is THAT why we never got Ares?>sorry but u rong coluh, NEXTOf all the nonsense, fuck's sake I remember watching the demo vid and the one scaled drop test they did.
>>16809469is the current cope that they're still "testing" it?
>>16809470I wonder who the mystery passenger was. we'll see
>>16808201I don't care about museum junk.It's not an operational spaceship it can go right in the trash fwiw
WTF I JUST MISSED THE NEW SHEPARD LAUNCH... /sfg/ APOLOGIZE!
>>16809487
>>16809487/sfg/ ignored it because there was a black girl on the "club of the future" poster after launch. Also because it looks like a dick
>>16809487not spaceflight related, fuck off
>>16809489it landed on a cow holy shit.
>>16809487it was a cringey waste of time. they kept us waiting for interviews and to see who the secret passenger was then just abruptly ended the stream
>>16809494>abruptly ended the streamSome 80 year old onboard got hurt or what?
>>16809487I've watched this thing go up and down a bunch of times already, the last time I was interested was when Shatner was on board.
>>16809489whats this even showing? one of the crew falling down? who gives a shit man, plus its not even from this flight>>16809496nah audio issues
For tomorrow is there a chinkanon here that can record it or is that super forbidden?
>>16809499It’s from the time Bozo’s gf lauren sanchez went up back in April of this year. Jeffy ran over in excitement and ate shit tripping in a hole
Was reading about the russian woman on the shepard flight.>Karagussova brings more than 25 years of experience in media, distribution, and event management. She is the co-founder of Portals, a project that combines digital self-regulation tools with science and art.lol what even is that loud of bullshit. >digital self-regulationis that like some productivity keyboard tracker or something, or some shit that blocks the internet during work hours?
>>16809500>getting near and recording a military/space launch site>recording it>Chinathink anon, THINKalso its way down on Hainan island, chances of any chink here living there is almost zero.
>>16809503I wanted to believe, i think chinkrockets are kino
>>16809502Sounds like a no-fap help app
>>16809501LMAOOO
>>16809501maybe he just wanted to do some push ups all of a sudden.
>>16809356
>>16809513the plane is stupid and helicopters or multicopters are better for planetary exploration.maybe something like the zipline drone to still get the efficiencies of wings with VTOL
>>16809356> One of the ladies who approved these grants
Anyone got the gif of New Glenn's liftoff?
>>16809515planes are way more energy efficient than drones/helis
>>16809515>the plane is stupidYOU'RE stupid
>>16809513All climate/global warming/weather sats should be handled, overseen and funded by NOAA with NASA only doing the launching This is the way
>>16809338kek, real
>>16809523I will never understand why people want to turn nasa into a redundant noaa
>>16809523NOAA got defunded
>>16809518>>16809520How does it land on unprepared terrain?
>>16809525Lack of ambition
meme drive or bust
>>16809527You're not familiar with the mission profile if you expect it to land and take back off again.
>>16809536NO!!!!!!!!!
>>16809537it's so over
>>16809503>population of 10 million>nobody lives thereuh, okaynever met any chinese people who cared about spaceflight, though
>>16809536https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ9eL6kxAdM
>>16809530space BELONGS to 3M
must be rollout day or something
>>16809547geez every rocket is falling over
>>16809543is this for the launch or
>>16809536>>16809537Notto dis shitto again...
>>16809547GAY
>>16809542Last couple of launches have all had livestreams. Anyways your best bet is this guy: https://www.youtube.com/@ThatSpaceDogeGuy/streams
>>16809548heheh
who will make it first, its a literal booster race
>>16809547is that a grey finish i see on the GS1? sexy asf,
okay yeah Spacex wins, no Gradatim ferociraptor here
>>16808492
>>16809558so is flight 11 reflying a booster?
>>16809567Yes.
>>16809559No just the lighting.It's the same brown-goldish
>>16809567yes duh, reflying Flight 10 boooster
>>16809558>booster racespacex has already reflown superheavy once before. they literally already won.
>Booster 18 Slow Glenn
>>16809558https://x.com/Blobifie/status/1975948596475465923>engine covers falling offLMAOOOO BOSISTERS WHAT IS THIS?
>>16809579this post was a draft, it was never supposed to be post, I just realized its Booster 15-2 too
>>16809479No actually the meme drive seems to be doing something (abrupt shift in rate of chance of SMA) and the ceo of schizo says it looks good but they're not jumping to any conclusions yet
>>16809580best engine cover no engine cover
>>16809580Is there a concrete launch date for this yet?
>>16809585No, it's got a deluge system
>>16809587heh
Mike McCulloch@memcculloch·59mSorry. Something is happening but I can't say.
meme drive bros... it's happening...
>>16809591>The thruster itself is simple. Testing it in space is not.Okay Mikee boy… we are waiting
>look at booster rollout pic>think for a second why is it so dirty near the top>oh yeah they caught itcant believe its already so normalized I forgot that
long glenn
Starship launch next week? The last test flight really snuck up on me.
>>16809597Nice SLS mini in the background.
>>16809195We do not need another blue fartball in the solar system.
>>16809597the future is here bros
>>16809608Superheavy lift rockets launching overweight modules/probes/payloads/whatever fitted with meme drives Envision it
Staging>>16809613>>16809613>>16809613
>>1680954210 million is like 0.7% of the Chinese population, as you know. that means even if by some miracle one was in this thread its a very low chance he will be on that island
>>16809478>>16809356>Oh is THAT why we never got Ares?Nope. The guy has left out some details. The mission which was selected was the Phoenix lander. Which was not a climate change satellite. They lost a competitive opportunity, that is not being "defunded". They lost.Also, the mission selection happened in 2003. When you had GWB in the White House and Reps controlling both houses of congress.FYI the Planetary Science budget was never cut to fund Earth Science. It almost doubled from 2012 to 2018.
>>16809633oh so he's just a grifter/persecution victim complex
>>16809642no wonder politics was more his calling.
>>16809583It still could be tape outgassing I guess.
