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I've graduated with 100s of engineers from a half decent accredited school, and truth be told none of them could provide any value whatsoever.

The program was just 4 years of moderately easy intellectual masturbation, that most of them cheated their way through.
If life was fair most of them would be flipping burgers, but their degree allows them to join a tech firm where they sell engineering "solutions" to other engineers that are just as incompetent as themselves.

I have a hunch that 99% of people who are in STEM are like this. If you're not graduating from top 50 schools in the world, there's no meaningful technical work you can do.

You are just being recruited to be part of the parasitic bureaucratic class;
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Thank you for summarizing the browning of the west
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>>16819423
What'd you major in specifically?
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>>16819433
Electrical Engineering.
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>>16819434
What was your favorite course?
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>>16819435
It's been 5 years. I don't remember enjoying any of them much.

But I remember in communication class we used a voltage controlled oscillator to build a simple FM circuit and we hooked our phones and played music, that was perhaps the one and only time where I felt like I did something.

There were also plenty of fun MATLAB exercises in that course. Power electronics was also fun DC-DC, DC-AC converters where you draw diagrams all day.
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>>16819423
Schools are funny. Somehow most people past the tests but 5 years later they're useless cunts. I work with software """engineers""" who can't remember the first thing about how IEEE-754 floating point numbers work, they're unironically scared of putting any math in their code. Somehow you can shove random knowledge into people's brains long enough for them to pass a test but they'll still remain useless cunts, like they're not built for anything else.
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>>16819434
>OP summing up why the west sucks at building computer chips
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>>16819479
The world is kept running by a small set of very passionate, very dedicated people. People who code Linux, can build USB drivers from scratch or reverse engineer the PS3 for fun with their discord buddies.

And most of them get paid as much as senior "sales" engineers, and "solution architects" who you attend useless meeting all day and travel the world in their vacation.
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>>16819423
>I have a hunch that 99% of people who are in STEM are like this. If you're not graduating from top 50 schools in the world, there's no meaningful technical work you can do.
False
I also did the same, but I'm self-studying to actually improve

Top 50 schools aren't that different anon
The curriculum is the same
And you can't possibly grasp a technical area with just a few hours in a semester course
It's just about self-studying

The only difference is that to get accepted into top schools, you have to have proved that you are a giga-nerd to begin with
And so you will naturally self-study more than average people

But there's nothing stopping you from doing the same in a mid or low school or even without a school at all
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>>16819479
btw I just remembered that some hardware engineer told me to come over to his office because there's something very wrong with my post-ADC software filter. He input a ~100 Hz sine wave but couldn't figure out why my filter would output a mysterious ~0.1 Hz wave, he thought there must be something very wrong with my filtering code for this to happen. That's even though he was fully aware that the sampling rate was 100 Hz lmao, he couldn't figure out what was happening on his own.

>>16819494
>It's just about self-studying
True. I remember in uni we had a x86 assembly course and at first I didn't get it anymore than anybody else did, but then at home I downloaded some x86 simulator and played around with it until that made sense. The teacher was surprised that someone was getting it much better than the others.
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>>16819423
This is normal in recent graduates. They have to work to get good at it, the university studies are simply level 1.
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>>16819500
Oh yeah, lol a 100 HZ sampled at 100 HZ would give something close to a DC.
Nyquist says you need at least double the frequency to recover the signal.

>>16819494
Yeah, I get you. And I've downloaded the textbooks a couple times thinking ok, I'm gonna study this for real and actually get some useful knowledge.
I always end up giving up 20 pages in because I'm lazy.

But also there's a bigger perspective, Is this really ever gonna be useful? even if I got "good" at it.
I mean take coding for example, even if I were insanely talented, there's really nothing I want to build.
It feels like everything in software worth building has already been built. You might code AI or Linux to "serve" humanity but you need to be an absolute genius to do that meaningfully.

Point is even if you were a really good coder, genuinely competent beyond university standards. What are you gonna do with that knowledge? Get hired by a QUANT firm to do some Fintech bullshit? Be a backend/frontend dev for yet another social media or some garbage app.
And the other code monkeys and "sales" engineers ear just as good a living being completely incompetent and just playing the cooperate theatre.

Don't get me wrong, I highly salute those of you who pick up a textbook after university and want to learn, learning is an honorable pursuit for its own sake.
But my life situation it's really just not clicking.
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>>16819517
>Nyquist
Yeah and the funny thing is that he remembered the theory after I pointed out to him that he was looking at aliasing, he was just unable to put the two together on his own.
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>>16819517
>It feels like everything in software worth building has already been built.
Correct. Theres basically nothing more to write, except copies of mainstream windows programs in chinese and russian operating systems. They want a program ecosystem to decouple from windows
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>>16819423
Academia has become over bloated and overrated. You do some math, get told how to think and in the end you get a certificate of some kind and everyone claps.
Don't mistake it for a path towards truth or power. Those have always been kept secret.

>You are just being recruited to be part of the parasitic bureaucratic class;
And honestly, most of them are better off just being a gear in the machine. A docile and conform life is preferable to most than the brutal struggle of carving out your own path with unknown outcome of success.
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Most of undergrad is shit that should and could be taught to the 75% attending school in middle school
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>>16819544
My family wants me to do a masters, but I once had the opportunity to serve as research assistant.
And they just gave me some obscure EM simulation software and told me good luck, I sat there with the professor and his students and they were just showing him math symbols that meant absolutely nothing and some neat looking MATLAB graphs, discussing real life scenarios and previous approaches.

It all just felt like theatrics, like they were all lying to each other and posturing. I mean they are not posturing, the students are miserable, they probably believe that what they are doing is meaningful science.

I couldn't do it for more than 2 weeks. And here's the thins, our university is accredited, this professor studied at some of the best universities.

If it's this bad here, how bad is it everywhere else? or maybe I'm just stupid and the math makes sense, and these students are very smart.
For the project I was given, it felt like the classic quote "It's not even wrong".
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>>16819517
>And the other code monkeys and "sales" engineers ear just as good a living being completely incompetent and just playing the cooperate theatre.
anon how do you think these useless people stay afloat?
by bootlicking and cocksucking (literally)

the point is that you will get to earn a good wage while maintaining your dignity, unlike these people you mentioned

if you had a job you would easily see the difference between these 2 kinds of people
and which side you would rather be on

do you even have the "social" skills to advance with no skill?
I bet you don't or you wouldn't be here
so either get good or stay poor

plus the ceiling is infinite
if you get really really good, yeah you could even hit partner in finance shit and make double digit millions every year
or become a crypto god, with the whole planet licking your boots, cause everything depends on you
unlikely but still possible
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>>16819569
Well for now, I'm not eager to become rich. But tell me about you experience, have you become really good at what you do? Has it helped you maintain your dignity? are you surrounded with incompetent "engineers"?
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>>16819423
You totally missed the point of school if this is your takeaway
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>people go to school to get jobs instead of masturbating to their midwit IQ like OP
Color me shocked
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they're trying to pay the bills anon
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>>16819423
The world is a better place if you are less critical.
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I graduated with a bs in mech. Engineering years and years ago. I did enjoy many parts of the experience, not necessarily the costs of student loans, but the actual scientific learning process of logical thought. One of my favorite classes was all about efficiency, mass balance, continuous energy in a dynamic system, etc - loved that one, still think about it. The math became routine and boring but the late night smoke seshes with the boys over sci fi and homework (seldomly) was some of the best social time I could ever ask for.

Anyway, after college I worked in retail management for a long time, then unsuccessfully got into real estate, mild success in finance, decent success in audio engineering, and now after all is said and done at 35 years old I own a gas station that I also work at lol. I can buy lots of weed and audio equipment as a result and my wife is like a solid 8/10 30 yo.

I think if you’re super passionate about a discipline, STEM or otherwise, you’ll find a way to succeed to a level of which you can fully explore this passion. Hard work aside, some of it is luck sure, or credentials, but your own obsession is what drives you.

My obsession with paying off my loans started in retail and mutated into an obsession with music that was fueled by many business ideas. I don’t think engineering was ever a passion, but it as an experience and I don’t regret having a piece of paper I never use.
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>>16820333
Do you have the book name of that class



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