Is psychotherapy a scam?
>>16820466Yes
>>16820466Yes. Any reputable shrink nowadays will set out a plan in your first few sessions. If you are going to a shrink on an open ended basis he is a snake oil salesman. Also most shrinks do Cognitive Behavioral Therapy now. Talking about your mom is so 1995.
>>16820466No
>>16820466lmao good will hunting shit
>>16820466It’s not TECHNICALLY a scam. For example, is calling a licensed plumber to fix your toilet after you clogged it with a big fat shit a scam? No… unless you have the skills, means, and time to fix the toilet yourself. After all, doing it yourself in an hour with parts you bought would cost significantly less than hiring a professional who tinkers around for two hours and is on his phone most of the time. However, if you CAN’T fix your own toilet, it’s not a scam, unless something immediately goes wrong with whatever they manipulated or it takes an exceptionally unreasonable amount of time.Psychotherapy is like that. Some will scam you by getting you addicted to medications only they can provide. Some will artificially induce stress to gaslight you into requesting their services. Some even force you to pay a deposit for “long-term care” and then don’t actually do anything to help you. But, that’s all fairly obvious, and probably not what you are asking.Beneficial psychotherapy, like fixing your plumbing because you shit too big, is a scam only if the therapist is providing a service you are incapable of performing yourself. If you lack introspection, awareness, and self-motivation, then a good psychotherapist can help you. If you have all of these qualities, then you would be scammed if you went to a therapist, since it would be more efficient to fix your mental state on your own.
Therapy only works on NPCs with no introspection. If you have introspection, therapy will probably just tell you what you already know.https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/men-will-literally-have-completely>If you have no ability to systematically think about and solve your problems, you should probably tell all your problems immediately to someone who does, and maybe this person could be a therapist.>But also: people vary really widely in their ability to do something sort of like hold a conversation with themselves - for example, some people totally lack an inner monologue. Nobody has ever checked if those people benefit from therapy more, and I don't want to actively predict that they would. But I know that I talk things over with myself a lot. Does this help me stay emotionally stable? Not sure; seems plausible. If I didn't have an inner monologue, maybe the only way I could get that same effect would be by talking them over with another person.>Other people obsessively seek external reassurance. I talked here about the phenomenon of hypochondriacs who go to their doctor to be told that their latest concern (maybe the 25th time they had a certain symptom) isn't worth worrying about, same as the last 24 times. They're not even asking for an x-ray or something! They're just happy to hear the doctor say the words "given that your last 24 symptoms were nothing, I'm assuming this one isn't anything either". Then they are delighted and go home! I sometimes think about this by analogy to "you can't tickle yourself" - some people can't reassure themselves either, and are very happy to hear thoughts they could have easily generated themselves coming from other people's mouths. Are these some of the people who benefit from therapy? Seems plausible.
Yes, especially in cases that actually therapy like mine (bpd, high functioning)Also all male therapists are dumbfucks desperate to get clients. Like, they are really, really stupid, but eith lots of fake cringe coincidence because they think they mastered the human mindFemale therapists are roasties but the only ones you should go to. Check their credentials before though>>16820474Cbt is psychotherapy too. Any sort of psychological therapy is psychotherapy (duh)Agree with the rest tho
>>16820466this person put it pretty well >>16820835 Therapy as a service was intended for rich and powerful men to vent their psychotrauma when they can't trust anyone else in their lives under threat of NDA or even death and a therapist that breaks that code is literally useless reputation wise now - so on some tony soprano shit. Seeing a therapist as a poor person is an absolute joke - the challenge also is most therapists/psychologists are women usually -- they do NOT empathize with average male struggles and the dude therapists could ALSO be up their own ass just by being a feminist/progressive dweeb sometimes and downplay your struggles if they are particularly bougie OR upper class. The only purpose of entering the mental health system is if you have actual neurological level problems that require medications. To actually talk about your feefees and emotional health is a waste of time , keep a journal , study a therapist textbook , ask the same questions they would ask to your previous entries , track improvement , thats it.
>>16820757"we can make a lot of love before the sun goes down"
>>16820466No but a legit Psychotherapist will rightly tell you that psychotherapy takes years which is why only rich layabouts and nepobabies can afford it
>>16820466It's a scam and in fact, it's not even about making you more mentally healthy (whatever that means), it's all about keeping you inside the workforce or getting you into it. Literally a manipulator with the goal of making it seem like what's rich peoples' fault is actually something wrong with your brain.Rat park has proven that even addiction is caused by poor life circumstances, not drug consumption in itself.All the supposedly good things therapists can do with you, can be done way better, more efficiently and without someone making sure you stay compliant to the state by yourself.Literally just:>journal>go outside>move your body>create things>get to know your local fauna and floraand you'll have significantly more antidepressive effects than even four meds stacked upon each other could ever give you
It's an hermeneutic on the meanings, desires, and fears of the subject. As such, pretending it to be scientific is plain retarded. You can't quantify meaning. But you can influence its change.
>>16820466yeah. and that's why we need to bring lobotomy back
>my psych keeps telling me a bunch of shit that would instantly get him investigated and losing his license like how he helped a client commit suicide>told me he put the barrel of a gun inside his mouth at one point>told me how he lost all his acquired wealth on a crypto scam>quite literally told me he uses the details of my life to feel better about himself (because I have a brain tumor)>he lets me stay an extra hour without charging if he doesn't have anything after we're doneI think I got the least professional psych of all time, I have no idea how he still has a practice.I pay him because I have no one to talk to other than AI and frankly he's only marginally better than AI at remembering details.>>16822686been going for a year and I don't feel any better
>>16825214They just do this with electricity now. When i went to a psych ward i saw guy being taken to the ECT table, a very nice nurse came into the room and told him it was time for his ETC.About therapy: It doesnt work. Venting doesnt solve your mental problems.
>>16820466Yes.
It's all mechanically-vague psychobabble attempting to label nutrient deficits as something else.Psychs should be jailed next to the pedos
Shouldn't /sci/ quote some studies?
>>16820466yes, read gell mann murrays thought on it in his book the quark and the jaguar
>>16820466women need someone to tell them how to feel
No.But there are caveats. If you got good introspective, you would already have gotten to it if it was surface level. And if its not surface level, then that requires legwork which a therapist phoning in isn't willing to do.You would go there for very basic shit, like trying to piece together what is your copium, and what causes you to seek the copium, and trying to piece together the mechanism that learned you that.But if you just spend weeks on week talking about your mother and your erectile disfunction, then its a scam. And if you get drugs, you are only suppose to be taking them when you are doing any kind of exercises/exposure to push you out of your comfort zone, such sa treating PTSD.If you are willing to read and take notes, you will most likely gain more from reading actual Freud. The dream book is short, and his actual book on psychotherapy isn't that long either.Also>>>/lit/24807410>>>/lit/24812972Just because you go to theraphy, won't mean that you aren't killing yourself because you are still living in worst korea. It is said that Baek Se-hee dies at 35 after all
>>16820466Yes. Therapists are taught to never actually influence the patient, concretely help them, or make decisions for them. They're taught to listen and to somehow help the patient help himself. The problem is that if a patient could help himself, he already would have. And if he can't help himself, therapy obviously can't do it either.
>>16820835Even if you have the skills, calling a plumber isn't a scam because thats how economics works
>>16820466>"doc, I am sad and my life is shit, what can I do?">"I'll prescribe you some meds that will make you feel good for a while, but completely destroy your libido and motivation after they run out">"thanks doc!"
DBT has been pretty awesome and life-changing for me.Clinical Counselling and Addictions Counselling has helped out greatly, even if at minimum it's just a useful way to sort out my thoughts out loud in front of someone who is forced to listen.You may have to put some effort into finding the right person to be your mentor; not all counsellors/therapists will be equally able to relate to your struggles.
>>16820466Yes, in a way that CBT, which is the most common type of therapy practiced, is about changing yourself to deal with the exploitative society structureNo, explorative therapy can dig into your traumas which can genuinely help you
