>Random ass dude in 400 BC postulates the existence of atoms>Everyone laughs it off and calls him a dunceCould this be happening today as well? Maybe some random guy in Malaysia figured out the theory of everything, and how the universe actually works, but nobody paid attention to him because he was far too ahead of his time.
>dude what if you can't divide things up infinitely and at some point you just get the smallest thingit's interesting that he had this thought but what's the point if you can't prove it?these days it's more mathematical though, if some dude in malaysia has a ToE he could easily show how both GR and QM follow from it, then people will pay attention
>>16822649So how many more weeks until we discover an atom in the sense he meant?
>>16822649what exactly did he think atoms were? if it was just some vague indivisible aspect of nature, then it's not a big deal
>>16822649Democritus' philosophical atom was quite different to the atom in physics. Democritus' was trying to answer a fundamental problem is mereology:>What makes two things different things?For example, if I have a cup and a plate, and I put the plate on top of the cup; have I made a new "thing"? Or are they still two things? Even intuitively you'd say that just stacking objects doesn't make them one object. However, if I was able to melt them down and reform them as a cup + a plate, then we'd probably say they were now one thing. And that's where democritus' idea comes from, this idea that objects should be composed of a fundamental unit.It has a passing similarity, which is why the name of the physical atom was taken from Democritus' atom. But they are very different in both conception and description.
>>16822674He lived around the same time as Zeno. I guess certain philosophers back then were dealing with the tension between the intuition about reality being continuous and logic wanting everything to be discrete, which leads to all kinds of infinite regress situations. It's not a "big deal" in a modern context partly because everything is compartmentalized and the way physics relates to logic is of no concern to anyone.
>>16822679So how were his atoms supposed to address that issue? If anything, it suggests mereological nihilism, especially given your example where the line between one thing and two things is essentially arbitrary.
>>16822691What? The idea of the atom was supposed to show that there is a fundamental unit of existence that separates one "thing" from another "thing". That was the point.
>>16822694>the atom was supposed to show that there is a fundamental unit of existence that separates one "thing" from another "thing".How does that work? In your own example, the main factor that decides if its one or two things, is whether or not the parts work as a unit with respect to something. In either case, you're dealing with the same "fundamental units of existence", whether you divide them into one or two sets.
>>16822697>whether or not the parts work as a unit with respect to somethingHere I mean the plate and cup (which can make a plate-cup), not the atoms.
>>16822697Clearly I can't explain the concept to you, so if you want to understand more you'll have to do your own reading.
>>16822701>Clearly I can't explain the conceptClearly.
Just read this, niggaz>https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/democritus/#2>Atoms, from the Greek adjective atomos or atomon, ‘indivisible,’ are infinite in number and various in size and shape, and perfectly solid, with no internal gaps. They move about in an infinite void, repelling one another when they collide or combining into clusters by means of tiny hooks and barbs on their surfaces, which become entangled. Other than changing place, they are unchangeable, ungenerated and indestructible. All changes in the visible objects of the world of appearance are brought about by relocations of these atoms: in Aristotelian terms, the atomists reduce all change to change of place.Honestly that's pretty good, better than I expected.Also they predicted solar system formation it seems>Clusters of atoms moving in the infinite void come to form kosmoi or worlds as a result of a circular motion that gathers atoms up into a whirl, creating clusters within it (DK 68B167); these kosmoi are impermanent. Our world and the species within it have arisen from the collision of atoms moving about in such a whirl, and will likewise disintegrate in time.
>>16822694The point was to be vague? Of course he's correct then. Meanwhile when we get to specifics, such as quantum field theories, the notion of an indivisible atom completely breaks down and he's wrong. But you'd have to actually understand the nature of the subatomic world to draw that conclusion.
>>16822710>The point was to be vague?Well, it is philosophy. What are you expecting? Rigour?
>>16822656>if some dude in malaysia has a ToEIts too bad some german dudes already proved that a ToE is mathematically impossible.
>>16822707>combining into clusters by means of tiny hooks and barbs on their surfaces, which become entangledSounds like a kind of primitive theory of chemical bonding. >>16822679 omits this part beyond the mention on melting things into one, failing to connect it to atoms.
>>16822714>proved that a ToE is mathematically impossible.Big if true.
>>16822714source?
>>16822649>Could this be happening today as well?Yes, in science, in philosophy and also in politics aswell. Remember how more than ten years ago it would be seen as the epitome of schizophrenia if someone said the government is spying on all of us and is building technology to control and change our thoughts while also actively manipulating us with glorified chatbots ("AI") so that the most uneducated, impressable masses are deceived to think that, for example, it's an organic popular movement to suck the USA's cock and not see them as the literal terrorists they are?
>>16822728It's still the epitome of schizophrenia to say those things.> the government is spying on all of us You mean keeping an eye on us to keep us safe.>building technology to control and change our thoughts You mean building systems to inform us and protect us from harmful Sino-Russian propaganda.>actively manipulating us with glorified chatbotsYou mean nudging online discourse in favor of freedom and democracy.>an organic popular movement to suck the USA's cock and not see them as the literal terrorists they areStop waging Putin's online war, chud.
>>16822732This is what becomes of you when you go to therapy, either a mindless retard or a mindless retard with an extra step of "irony" (it being ironic being what you soothe yourself with after realizing that what you just said is nothing more than CIA cocksucking)
>>16822740>CIA cocksuckingYou mean showing appreciation for our national security experts.
>>16822732Come to think of it, all this is yesterday's paradigm. The current one is more like:>The CIA Will Probe Your Rectum (And That's A Good Thing)
>>16822649>some random guy in MalaysiaKen Wheeler has mentioned the ancient Greeks had "theories of everything", which ofcourse did, but they could grasp "infinity/s" just as you could but what youre "measuring/demarcating" from is what changed.How it connects to your frame of reference is where the one, uni, in university (is supposed to) come from, the schools largely chose the "other uni" perspective.
>>16822707For a more poetic explanation read Lucretius. The main hurdle for this was the existence of void iirc.
>>16822707This describes photonsThe only difference is photons are not created or destroyed. Time and matter are derived from energy gradients.
>>16822649>Could this be happening today as well?Yes but consider how many things said in 400 BC, and the years between then and now, that were revolutionary and completely wrong. There are some things being said today that are revolutionary, correct, and ignored/ridiculed. There's even more, by many orders of magnitude, that are simply wrong.
>>16822718>>16822725I think he's thinking of Godel's incompleteness theorem and is stupid.
>>16823333you misspelled the word Gödel
>>16823342I don't have blowjob face on my keyboard.
>>16823363not an excuse to butcher the German language. Apologize
>>16823364No
>>16823364>butcher>germanHOFFKINOFFENHOCKSTEINWENFRANKEN
>>16822649>Everyone laughs it off and calls him a dunceBecause they already proved him wrong lol. He should have counted himself lucky they didn't drop him in a river tied to a millstone.>>16822919>Ken Wheeler has mentioned the ancient Greeks had "theories of everything"Now tell us what his username on youtube is and what does it actually mean?
>>16823364>butcher the German languageGermans are the ones who made the word for darkness 'Dunkelheit'.
>>16822656Nobody cares about theories of everything, you can just have multiple theories, what matters is that they dont contradict each other, theres no reason why one must follow from another.Who planted that idea in your mind and why do you allowed it tp take root?
>>16823364I took a shit in germany right on the street and wiped with a german flag. I also denounce the talmud
>>16823400>Now tell usWhat it means? Yes. It means "theory of everything" can be intuited now as equally as then, I have one, others do, its basically a hyper-dimensional map to restructures your organ perspective you see life from, theyve studied developmental cognition for thousands of years, back to caveman times too. Literal War in Heaven.Flint is basically an Applied Physicisist and Engineering anyway. His citation is history.
>dude the universe is comprised of indivisible objects called atoms>scientists thousands of years later find 'indivisible objects' and name them atoms>turns out they actually were divisiblewhoops haha
>>16823754Every German did that at one point in their lives
>>16823752please quote the piece of my post where I said I care about ToE
>>16823752>you can just have multiple theories, what matters is that they dont contradict each otherIn the limit this it is a single theory
>>16823851Why?What is their society problem?, public bathrooms are a need not an inmigrant shelter
>>16822732>You mean nudging online discourse in favor of freedom and democracy.But when I post data from my country's census bureau I'm a "russian bot" and a "fascist" trying to "ruin the country".
>>16823860Unlike you Americans, true rural Germans don't give a f about>muh Prussian central government in Berlin 500km awaythat's why the flag, simply the Prussians' way of saying "we control this ancient Germanic land", is used as a toilet paper in some villages. We don't even have the police around here, they just don't drive here. Stay mad, Americuck, but bowing down to a state with your pants pulled down to your ankles is neither patriotism nor anything a non-inbred human would unironically do
>>16823749i too only know German words from Burzum tracks
>>16822732You are the definition of schizophrenia.
