Astrophysicists Sean Carroll says that ID is bad science. I can't see how we could have all the stuff around us that we do without some form of intelligent design. There's a fairly new paper that describes the extreme unlikeliness of life on Earth emerging from a single protocell and getting all the stuff we have around here todayhttps://files.catbox.moe/c9c8xb.pdf>Using estimates grounded in modern computational models, we evaluate the difficulty of assembling structured biological information under plausible prebiotic conditions. Our results highlight the formidable entropic and informational barriers to forming a viable protocell within the available window of Earth's early history. While the idea of Earth being terraformed by advanced extraterrestrials might violate Occam's razor from within mainstream science, directed panspermia -- originally proposed by Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel -- remains a speculative but logically open alternative. Ultimately, uncovering physical principles for life's spontaneous emergence remains a grand challenge for biological physics.But with Directed Panspermia, an extraterrestrial advanced civilization seeding our planet with life, has the unanswered question of how that life originated. Maybe they were from a planet with a stable orange dwarf and maybe a longer period where the planet was supporting for life? Or better still, God exists and He kicked the whole thing off. It just seems unlikely to me that prebiotic conditions on our planet would create simple cellular lifeforms, and also create food for that cell in probably salty hot water where said food would decay very rapidly. Then how do those cells evolve into eucaryotic cells? It seems very unlikely that all that cellular architecture could just evolve on it's own. We can also discuss the human mind as well and why we are self aware with a consciousness and not just automatons that survive and replicate. In the end, I believe we should all look to Christ.
We dont know the details, but it probably wasnt aliens.Love created us. Let us be kind to each other, love is the highest purpose of existence.
>>16823456So you agree that it was Intelligent Design?
Either life is natural (abiogenesis event within the natural chain of causation) or artificial (created by God in an event outside the universe's natural chain of causation). If abiogenesis within the natural cause of causation, then it should occur wherever those causes are present: i.e. there should be life all over the galaxy and universe per the Copernican principle. If caused artificially from outside the natural chain of causation, then it's the whim of the gods where and how they poke their finger down from heaven and stir the pond and life can be as infrequent or frequent as they like.It does beg the question of why God created such an enormous universe simply to have life on Earth though, a big cosmic flex. Or we simply haven't found all the natural aliens in the galaxy yet because they're not as loud and nosy as we hoped.
>>16823395>But with Directed Panspermia, an extraterrestrial advanced civilization seeding our planet with life, has the unanswered question of how that life originated.Okay, but then what caused those aliens to come into being?It's just kicking the can down the road. At some point you're going to have to acknowledge the G-word.
>>16823589>there should be life all over the galaxy and universe per the Copernican principleNot necessarily, it depends on what the probability of life evolving on planets. If it's a really miniscule number, we might be the only ones even if it's natural. >It does beg the question of why God created such an enormous universe simply to have life on Earth though, a big cosmic flex.One possibility is that it could be completely unrelated to humans. Maybe it's like a garden that pleases Him?>>16823617>Okay, but then what caused those aliens to come into being?Good question, I speculated in my OP that maybe they would come from a more stable star with a more stable orbit. For example our star might have only a 5 billion year period where it could support life, maybe they came from a star that could support life for 20 billion years and had more time for abiogenesis?
>>16823589>It does beg the question of why God created such an enormous universe simply to have life on Earth thoughthere's billions of galaxies, he could create just one "Earth" per and there'd still be billions of "Earths"
>>16823658>For example our star might have only a 5 billion year period where it could support life, maybe they came from a star that could support life for 20 billion years and had more time for abiogenesis?So in short, they had 4 times longer?If the likelihood of life appearing is so high that a mere 4x chance makes a significant difference, it's surely high enough that you can believe Earth got a lucky dice roll?
>>16823720>there's billions of galaxiesmore like trillions>he could create just one "Earth" per and there'd still be billions of "Earths"There's hundreds of billions of stars in the Milky Way, for only one Earth (in your scenario.)
>>16823971>So in short, they had 4 times longer? If the likelihood of life appearing is so high that a mere 4x chance makes a significant difference4X longer doesn't mean the probability for life becomes 4x greater, it could scale up exponentially. In my opinion, we just don't know enough about what caused life to form to say for sure. Plus the universe is almost 14B years old and Earth is 4.5B years old so it might be more like 3x instead of 4x but there could have been better conditions on the planet to produce alien life more rapidly. Who knows but I don't believe we should rule out Intelligent Design by God either. >>16823973>There's hundreds of billions of stars in the Milky Way, for only one Earth (in your scenario.)But not all the stars would be supportive of life and maybe only a small fraction could. For example things are pretty dangerous in the center of the galaxy with stars whipping around a supermassive black hole at relativistic speeds .
>And AIIs this the new buzzword that everyone is putting in their paper?
>>16824316Yes, I get annoyed at the use of the buzzword but they have a section in the paper:> One thing is certain: with the rise of powerful AI tools and mechanistic models, we now have entirely new ways of exploring biological complexity. Tools like AlphaFold for protein folding [35] and comprehensive whole-cell models [36, 37, 38] allow us to estimate the information content of life using Kolmogorov (algorithmic) complexity. This measures the shortest description required to reproduce a system—the more structured or regular a system, the more it can be compressed and the easier it can be made [39]. Here, by combining such complexity estimates with basic rate-distortion theory [40,41], we aim to shed new light on the plausibility of life’s rapid emergence.The best TLDR I can come up with is that scientist are going to use existing AI tools and maybe new tools to research the rapid emergence of life. I've heard the term "Kolmogorov complexity" and it seems like an intersection between computing and origin of life research. Does here anyone know more about this?
>>16823395Is this what counts as science these days?? Sabine was fucking right about this clown.
>>16823395You are engaging in a logical fallacy, argument from ignorance. For example, a detective not understanding how a victim could have been killed speaks to the detective's capabilities but not to the origin of the corpse.
>>16824534Sabine and Dr James Tour might be right about the scientific work behind abiogenesis. >>16824564Perhaps my OP was a bit hyperbolic but I look at it in terms of probabilities and abiogenesis doesn't seem very probable based on the paper.
>>16823395The universe is a big place, chemical leaps of complexity can occur beyond the planet without intelligent design. Intelligent designers need to evolve beforehand to be in a position of designing — ignoring the very first emergence of life without micromanagement is kicking the can.arxiv.org/abs/1304.3381
>>16824527Yeah, it is a retard that thinks you can work backward through intelligent analysis and assert concepts formed reality randomly.
