>>16830947
Good thing /sci/ doesn't code and every single person here has a PhD.

Nobody here is affected by layoffs because you're not coders, otherwise you'd be at /g/.

>>16830947

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Feel like this general is on life support or everyone lurks and laughs at the few who post

>>16831033
There's not really a lot to share outside of hiring season. Other than dooming and glooming about the absolute state of academia, what do we have?
Job-havers are busy with jobs.
Academics are abused cucks who keep going back to it despite the pay and conditions
That one math PhD is probably still unemployed and it's definitely a them problem not a math problem.

I guess there are the undergrads who keep coming here asking the same questions over and over again.

General question answers:
>how do I become a ____
You don't
>Is ___ a good path
No
>should I work in ____ field
You shouldn't, it's a trap
>is ____ employable
Ten years before you finished school, that ship sailed
>I am a ____ student
You fell for the meme, imagine actually studying ____
>I want to learn _____
There is no special trick, no magic lecture or video series, no easy route. You read textbooks and practice solving problems. If you do not do that, you do not learn. If there are no textbooks, you learn by doing.
>I'm interested in _____
Stop, go no further, actually learning to work with it will make you hate it.

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>have to start hiring for another PhD position next month

>>16830972
I don't have a PhD yet and I code. Well, last couple of months I've mostly been telling my minions to code actually, only writing some light embedded stuff myself.

>>16831033
I come here to bitch and moan, not offer or solicit advice.

There's a conference I'd like to present at and they're looking for an extended abstract (up to 800 words) in their call for papers but I'm not entirely sure what one is.
I figure it probably depends on the discipline but is it usually just a very short, condensed paper?

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Be honest. How cooked am I?

bros should i undergrad in physics, some discipline of engineering or computer science/engineering?
im leaning towards physics but i know ill need a masters/phd after but potentially more money. while engineering seems like i can get a job easier but the maximum i can get from it is much lower. and computer science is computer science.
plz help me decide which one will fuck my up life the least

>>16831749
if you aim for money/stability, then engineering is probably your best bet.

>>16831744
Looks fine to me and all the better after you removed those random correspondence course stints you did. Maybe a bit confusing that you have two careers in there (maths academic and software engineer) that you've hopped back and forth between. But I don't think it's a bad thing and I'd imagine the math academic part will make you at least stand out among engineers.

So now you're a current engineer at a well-known company, with several years of experience as an engineer and a math PhD/research track record. What's the problem?

>>16831744
remove the summary, it's a waste of space and nobody looks at it
use STAR method for your bullets, look at the engineering resume subreddit for examples
organize your bullets in order of importance, e.g. for software roles, stick your software shit at the top. if you dont, recuiters will throw your resume in the trash after about 3 seconds since they only look at your topmost bullets (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veFlfYjRo1Y)
remove worthless shit like your math teacher trainee thing, or at the very least, move it to the bottom of the resume

What bioinformatics certifications or licenses will make you more attractive to the bioinformatics job market?

>>16831744
Hey I've been to Lidshoping. Amazing place. You don't know how to suffer.

>get ghosted for basic bitch hardware design jobs that i'm obviously capable of doing
>get a response on an RF IC job that i'm completely unqualified for and will never get
okay

>>16832072
A PhD.

>>16832119
Are you kidding or are you serious?
Also what if you already have it?

should I just go back to being a bartender?

>>16832120
well what does it mean to get into bioinformatics?

you can probably get a job as a generic code monkey or something at a bioinformatics company, if you're very lucky or know someone on the inside. but you'll just be doing generic technician work. to do anything meaningfully specialized in any field you need a PhD or many years of experience in the niche (which amount to the same thing more or less)

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>>16832247
Yes

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Is getting into a technical specialist support role a dead end for my career? I don't have much ambition to go beyond a masters (which I hopefully will be able to do through my job at the university). Job seems okay (effectively a field physicist role) and I like it so far, just feel like after my band caps out in the union I'll be hard stuck and subjected to insane politic to get re-classified.

>>16831340
>hiring season
And when's that?

>>16832445
A masters is a bare minimum

>>16832445
look for the jobs you want and the desired requirements, work smart
t. Not really a knower

>>16832461
November/December (for a Q1 start) and May/June (for a September start). Depends on academia vs industry and also which country.

Is an industry PhD in metrology (semiconductors field) a good idea?

Is there any scope for instrumentation/automation engineers in japan
I'm also prepping for jlpt

>>16832644
without a PhD you're nothing in that field.

>>16832741
we already have superconductors like that
we make them very small and implant a chinese babies brain into each one for making the cpu cores

>>16830947
what about superconductors or sime kind of nuclear activator in the outside of a hollow radioactive shape like pyramid or ball but inside the ball theres loads of more fuel for the nuclear and the pressure from the initial massive explosion is making a next explosion which is even worse maybe we can find a way to impliment colors or make them do sound effects or different shapes ???

>>16832747
for example we charge a nuclear isotope of like 9000 and you can see the one atom we have inside this shell and an explosion the size of the whole world can be made into something the size of a coin which weighs 2 tonnes

>>16832751
perhals theres a charging threshold where the nuclear life is so short the big atom just explodes by itself probably
which means there is a limit on how small w e can make bombs which destroy worlds + we coukd be overnuclearating atoms to make these fission explosions instead of using the other type of ion to split a smaller isotope (more powerful explosions loads more)

when you do my nobel prizes make them for saturn anon and fucking throw it all in the ocean with some plastic

its all capacitors (diodes) it was all diodes (its all diodes) is nuclear magnetic or maybe alternative magnetic

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wjy dont you take like a de ionizing cone and just push the nuclear stick down it so fire comes out

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>>16830947
like a superresistor which can grow an atom on it when it ions are shot at it (electricity) (fusion)

>>16832644
If you make an effort you can definitely get employed. Semiconductors are and continue to be the backbone of massive industries and it's hard to see that becoming irrelevant soon. And because of the politics it's also one field where there at least is investment outside of the US. What's more, it is realistically possible to get a job where your PhD research and experience are actually useful for real.

But it is also quite easy to pigeonhole yourself. It's pretty easy to end up as basically a gimped engineer, doing that work but without the proper grounding or credentials. And it tends to get specialized enough that even if you are employable, there aren't a huge amount of places you can work at. It's not like an accountant or a software engineer who can probably get a relevant enough job in any city around the world. There's always going to be less fabs than AI startup grifts around. And for the amount of years and expertise required, the salaries can be pretty underwhelming, outside the US at least.

>>16832644
>>16832855

I did a PhD in basic semiconductor research trying to figure out how to make better ones, a postdoc that ended up being about developing measurement methodology, and am now employed at a small company in the semiconductor field. In my current job I ended up designing and building a prototype commercial measurement system which the company is trying to branch out into the measurement sector with.

I like the field well enough. It's varied and there's room for everything from fundamental physics to fucking around with a 3D printer and microcontrollers. I have a lot of autonomy, it's a field that values cold hard autism and shit that just works over fluffy grandiosity, and the stuff we do is relevant for real business or at least I can delude myself.

However something of a running theme from academia to industry has been that even though the subject matter is great, my career doesn't feel very rewarding in any sense of the word, and career moves almost inevitably require reconfiguring my entire life.

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Anyone knows this lab? Should I apply there?

>>16833445
>550k starting
no, you should not.

>>16833461
You think industry pays better?

>>16833462
No

>>16832741
Actually I myself know people who are something even without a PhD. It did require them to work quite a few years in the same company though.

>>16832855
Thanks for the answer anon
>But it is also quite easy to pigeonhole yourself
What do you exactly? You mean for example that working on a topic that is very nieche and has few ramifications could bind the rest of your career to that topic?

>And it tends to get specialized enough that even if you are employable, there aren't a huge amount of places you can work at.
I know and I have been thinking about this but it doesn't bother me. But maybe it should. I'm just a guy out of uni so moving anywhere in the world seems like no big deal, even somewhat exciting. But maybe I'll regret it once I'm a bit older.

>>16832874
Thanks for the answer anon
>my career doesn't feel very rewarding in any sense of the word
Why not? You say it's varied, you have autonomy, and you work on impactful stuff
>career moves almost inevitably require reconfiguring my entire life
You mean like moving to a new city/country?

>>16833538
>Actually I myself know people who are something even without a PhD. It did require them to work quite a few years in the same company though.
They can contribute while attached to someone with a PhD, but without a PhD they have no credibility on their own.

>>16833600
so if the spinner is meant to look like that chinese energy soerms picture or thats like a 2d representation of one
of those math torus jars which do spinning magnets
maybe inside out protons are electrons ?? inside out neutrons are rogue magnetic???

>>16833666
maybe the spinner having north charge makes it push and south charge makes it pull to spin ???

>>16833668
maybe its not spinning its just changing the charge are alternating maybe it is a clock maximum limit speed or different spinners can have different speeds
we should be doing thi s instead of the other theories

>>16830972
I code it’s fun
I have insane ideas and they’re worth too much to publish a paper on starting a fund soon

>>16833678
tell me please where does the binary become sensible why does the computer understand binary flashing input
i am aware that the flashing is incredibly fast but why does the flashing tell it something where does its core instructions occur + why that particar value with flashing ?

>>16833683
why is the binary flashing in a specific pattern telling the receiver to do something based on like an on off light what exactly are higher level languages telling the flashing light receiver in binary how does that work going back up computer levels ? why is instruction 1 and instruction 2 worth their particular flashing on off values

>>16833462
nobody will pay you 500k not even scamjeets

>>schizobabble
jannies do your fucking job aren't you paid enough?

why didn't live a normal sex having life instead of becoming a stemcel?

>>16834170
because you're ugly and physically weak

how do you get your foot in the door for a research oriented position? I've been working at the same lab for 2 years post BS and the company sucks ass. I want to get a PhD eventually and figured I could hop ship to a research job, pad my resume with experience, and then try to apply to a PhD program. But opportunities are few and the qualifications want experience with very specific techniques that I have no clue how to obtain.

how to get a job? mechanical engineer with no idea how i passed and did masters in engineering management. what jobs do i apply for?

>>16834489
>no experience
>learned helplessness
>worst job market since the 1930s
lmao your fucked

>>16830947
I'm 33, have been a mechanic for the last 12 years and there's an online course for an associate degree in engineering that I'm eyeing up as my escape from working on shitboxes.
Finished high school but I've probably forgotten all the important shit I'd need to know to dive into an engineering course. My question is, what's a good way of getting back up to speed with my education? Presumably I'll need to know stuff like calculus, statistics, and basic physics and chemistry (which I did in high school but can't remember much of it now), I just need a good refresher course on all that stuff.

>>16830947
>work as a community college assistant and grade papers/proctored work for a semester
>do an online class because need money
>half the of 90 students taking this course are clearly cheating and perform miserably on exams despite consistent 80-90% scores on all non-proctored work
The class isn't even hard. How on Earth are these kids struggling? None of them go to the instructor's hours or take up the free tutoring. I don't get it.
What the fuck do I do in this situation?

>>16834524
Textbooks. Read them, do some problems.
You just need math, the rest is easy to learn at college. Do a community college not online shit.

>>16834549
Set expectations clearly. Inform them that while they are free to cheat on homework assignments, this will not help them internalize the knowledge and they will fail the exam. Demonstrate the statistics from previous years. Say that the only way to avoid this is to do the exercises themselves with minimal ChatGPT involvement.
They are not dumb, they just think they can wing it. Convince them otherwise.

>>16834475
Apply to PhD positions directly.

>>16834675
I work full time and have a mortgage, going to university in person isn't on the cards unfortunately.

>>16834549
>How on Earth are these kids struggling?
well, are they passing? if so then there's your answer

people will converge to doing the minimum amount they can get away with

>>16834475
you can come to my eastern european shithole and get a job in my irrelevant research institute no problem.

your issue is that you're in an environment where there's no exploitable free energy in the system, you're competing with infinijeets for every posting

>>16834524
They teach you all of that in the classes. If you're going to do it then just jump in. You're already 33, you don't need to waste more time on "refreshers."

I'm 30 years old and recently got unemployed.
I have almost 5 years of experience.
Should I do unpaid internships at biotech companies while unemployed?

>>16834799
Honestly it doesn't seem worth it do do anything online. Never heard of them getting any respect whatsoever since you can just cheat like crazy, and the main purpose of an undergrad degree is to prove you can show up to class regularly and deal with bureaucratic bullshit for four years. Any learning is secondary.

>>16835096
>>16834799
>>16834675
There a two types of degrees.
(i) one degree that has to impress a hiring manager -- typically the case in engineering
(ii) one degree that just has to pass some vague criteria to get a license or raise

Online degrees work for (ii) but not for (i).

>>16835236
no one in engineering gives a shit where you went to school. half of this shit is practically automated anyways, they just need a warm body to sit in the cube

Just in case some of you forgot:
>City bosses warn on pay as minimum wage closes in on graduate salaries
https://archive.is/M3Efg
>City executives have warned that the UK minimum wage is bumping up against starting salaries for graduates at professional services firms, raising concern about the impact on hiring for accountancy, law and finance.
These are, of course, better paid than STEM graduates.
>Several chief executives have voiced their fears about the impact on recruitment if the minimum wage reaches pay levels for graduate positions in traditional white-collar jobs.
Doubt. They never really cared before.
>“Why would young people take on £45,000 of student debt if they can earn the same stacking shelves?” asked one.
True, but still no evidence they care.
>James O’Dowd, chief executive of recruiter Patrick Morgan, said that in areas such as audit, accounting and mid-tier consulting, pressure to raise pay to keep pace with the minimum wage was likely to accelerate automation and offshoring to cut costs as profit margins tighten. That, he added, would lead to “fewer opportunities overall”.
Pay peanuts, get monkeys. So the solution is then to eliminate what remains of relevant jobs. Ingenous.
>However, graduates still apply in droves to work for the Big Four firms, attracted by their rigorous training and brand prestige, which can help boost careers in the long run.
Alternative explanation: these never thought about leaving the country, became captive to the job dysfunctional market and applied wherever they could.
>While graduates joining City firms may start on low salaries, they can typically earn more relatively quickly as they rise through the ranks and gain professional qualifications.
... if you are a well-connected Oxbridge craduate, that is.

British degrees are still good, just make sure you leave as soon as you graduate.

>>16833538

>Why not? You say it's varied, you have autonomy, and you work on impactful stuff
As a postdoc and still in my current company the pay has always been quite bad. Money and career wise there is little chance of moving upwards without changing employers. Also at a part of my career where the obvious thing to progress would be to start managing other people but I'd be a bad fit for that. And the work does get used but it's not very high impact.

>You mean like moving to a new city/country?
Yes. It's fun in your 20s. Beyond that, not so much, at least not every two years.

Overall it's OK. Getting into personal blog territory but I guess as someone who was quite oriented towards career/studies for all of my 20s it's a bit disillusioning to see this end up in mediocrity.

>>16835096
>>16835236
It's either that or I start another apprenticeship in a more appealing trade, but then I'd need to find one that matches what my current job pays and I'm not too keen on that. I just want to get my foot in the door for any kind of job that involves something like plant maintenance/management, automation, manufacturing and design, really anything that's not working on cars but still a technical job that gets me off the tools for at least part of the working day.

>>16834697
>They are not dumb, they just think they can wing it. Convince them otherwise.
it was established that this is a community college, they almost certainly are dumb.

>>16833683
It isnt automatically sensible. its just logic gates based on physics that switch based on voltage conditions. put a few of these together and you get computation. Put billions together and you get what we have.

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>>16833683
>>16833687
1) Please learn how to write without sounding like a drugged up child
2) Everything you seem to want to know is answered in this book:
>Code: The Hidden Language of Computer Hardware and Software

It's fairly straightforward reading, if you struggle with that then I'd recommend putting down the bong and trying to find work in something more suitable to your capabilities.

>>16835236
So MBA works for 2

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>talk to engineer at career fair
>"oh yeah our interships, you can apply even after you graduate"
>look online
>requirements: currently pursuing degree
>look at entry jobs
>requirements: previous co-op/intership with us
i applied to both anyways, knowing full well that it will just be tossed in the garbage.

>>16836717
did you optimise your cv and cover letter towards the internship

>>16836722
no, i've already graduated so by their requirements, I can't get in.

>>16836734
have you tried splunk?
its 200k a year starting

Anyone here teaching HS math? Seriously thinking about giving it another shot.

>>16836771
I'd sooner NEET or an hero than teach HS

8 years in industry, dropped to part time at work (government science job), picked up a PhD full time. hand was forced to do both simultaneously as i'm an oldfag now with a wife, mortgage, and soon to have a baby. this shit is hard bros. just entered 3rd year, so about 1.5 years remaining. first paper was fairly bad, knocked back from ICML and neurips, i'm trying to find some time to do it up for TMLR. second paper is almost finished and feels like a much better contender for ICML in january. fuck knows what i'll do for the third paper although i'm hoping it comes easier as i know the field a lot better now. i'm basically running on the smell of an oily rag at this point and looking forward bigly to graduating and only having to focus on one job. shit is depressing currently.

>>16836914
You are living the life.

>>16837019
thanks mate. i know i'm in a good position relative to some other PhD students. still hard to contend with the burnout, lack of motivation (does anyone really give a shit if a bayesian optimisation method is provably convergent) and desire to kms when i'm finishing a work shift at 10pm then waking up again at 6am to squeeze in some PhD work before my shift starts again the next day. totally my own doing and i'm not blaming anyone. but yeah shit's rough anons. tell me your struggle stories too

>>16830947
They want you to believe this is about AI. It's not. It's about an unceasing stream of illegal spics and jeets. AI is the cover story.

>>16837222
Your job is shit if it can be done by a jeet.

>>16836914
>Look at me I've got pussy and I publish at the premier machine learning conferences

I've memorised your writing style. If you are at ICML and see a sickening beast in cut off shorts approaching you, run.

>>16837698
i'll also be in cut off shorts and boots. maybe we can make out. nah, i haven't published at all yet though. if you see a mid 30s boomer standing in front of a bayesian optimisation poster next year saying cunt a lot, you'll know i got lucky.

>>16836889
What about access to all the hot grills? It would be like making up for your lost youth.

>>16837739
It's a date

Why is everybody in ML/AI? Gayest shit ever.

>>16838615
there are levels
gayest shit: anything to do with LLMs
gay shit: we applied ML to this particular problem setting and here's what happened
passable: some topics rooted in applied stats/lin alg/optimization/learning theory/etc

>>16837218
How old are you?

>>16835236
>impress a hiring manager
engineering degrees don't impress hiring managers, they're just a convenient tickbox you can use to filter about 90% of the retards, leaving you with only a 10:1 retard:competent ratio rather than the original 100:1

>>16838550
>couldn't get laid as a muscular twink in the prime of his life
>somehow thinks he'll get laid as a skinnyfat balding unc

>>16838615
because that's what gets funded. research is a sales job. you get funding, use 80% of it to market your team to funding institutions to get the next round of funding, and spend the rest quickly making something that ticks all the minimum requirement boxes for your previous funding source

>>16838615
This anon has it right:
>>16839387
Speaking about condensed matter physics but 10 years ago you couldn't get anything funded without writing "topological" in the application. 5 years ago it was quantum computing. Today it's quantum computing and/or AI/ML.
I am tired of lying about the applications and usefulness of my work just to be given a crumb of funding. Every round the same humiliation ritual.

>>16839385
delete this

>>16831749
Is it feasible to do an engineering undergrad and pursue physics in grad school? Seems like the best of both worlds.

>>16838550
HS is used up slut territory
if you want cute girls best shot is MS

>>16839575
It is but it's not the best of anything. You will be under prepared for physics grad school and have a tough time getting in. Also, your engineering background is unlikely to be useful for almost anything.

>>16839575
No, physics professors are extremely arrogant and will look down on your engineering degree and you will be gatekept hard because they know you could just go into industry while academia is one of the only places for physics grads to go. I'm not even joking.

>>16839658
It's because you engineers think you do real physics in undergrad. You don't.

>>16839682
You never get to do real physics. Like 1% of engineers get to do engineering.

>>16839682
Real physics has never been tried.

>>16839740
real physics doesnt exist
we're a 2d hologram on the surface of the universe

>>16831744
Explain why I should hire you over LLM agents like Kosmos that can do autonomous science research. What do you bring to the table other than a higher rate of errors and a smug sense of entitlement? This goes for any researcher, not just you.

>>16839907
They don't have a PhD and I do

>>16839907
>Just use great Soviet LLM agent called Kosmos, comrade
retard

Last night I dreamt that I ran into my old supervisor and gave him a life changing injury. I woke up with the biggest smile on my face.

I have one more paper left over from my postdoc that ended a year ago. Didn't finish it at the time because the PI decided to fuck his group over and leave for a better job in another country, cutting my postdoc short of what it was supposed to be and wasting half my time in setting up/packing up the lab. Partially because of this I pivoted to industry since I didn't yet have the profile for getting my own group and doing another postdoc was too daunting.

PI asked me to send over the data, presumably so he could fuck me over and have someone else take my work. I never did. I wrote a first draft which is ass and I have very little time/motivation to finish it. I've now been ignoring his emails for several months.

Is it more valuable to have one more paper or to tell this guy to go fuck himself?

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What is a good job where you can just show up and they will tell you what to do and when they need it done?

>>16840407
McDonald's

I'm doing research for my STEM degree and I have a stupid question: why are doi's in articles always referenced as the string after the doi.org/ ?
Are the people doing writeups of these journals getting paid by the typed letter or some shit?

>>16840407
Define good? If you live somewhere cheap fast food pays pretty good and you just have to show up and follow checklists, essentially.
I work for the government in a job with responsibility and some fast food people make more than me.
Sheetz pays well and gives bonus pay for overnight.

>>16840316
Just send him some incorrect/made up data.

>>16840407
>>16840416
>>16840480
I actually thought I would get tasks and assignments at my engineering job.

>>16840442
There are length limits on submissions.

>>16840442
I don't understand your question. Are you asking why they don't include the doi.org prefix?

>>16840664
Yes.
It's a web page, so there are no real limit lengths since it's their web page. And when it's put on the article pdfs its put on the header that I assume whoever hosts the article puts up.
There's no reason to not just put the whole thing instead of the suffix.

>>16840630
If you're in engineering you're getting paid well. Learn to think.

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>>16840316
Just ignore him, block his email and report it as spam. Nothing good can come from associating yourself with someone untrustworthy. If you have to deal with him in person look him at the eyes and in the most serious tone say his emails looked like scam spam. If he ask for the data say all is gone, and it was his fault. He could have set up a gitlab, github, or something else but he didn't.

>>16840704
I'm only paid like $61k. I thought engineering jobs would be task based.

>>16840723
Unless you made the utterly stupid decision to live in a city, $61K is plenty.

EEfag that failed upwards through calc-diffeq via memorizing practice exams with B's and A's (go to a no-name Midwest school with jeet professors that inflate grades) and still don't know if I'm a mathlet or not. Is real analysis a good heuristic to see if I can handle graduate level math, or can normies still BS their way through it at shitty state schools like mine?

>>16840754
Real analysis is very different and has nothing to do with what you're looking at. It's actual math instead of computation.

>>16840754
>graduate level math
who cares. go do something fun or, at the very least, something that will help you get a job, instead of jerking off to pointless math that you'll never need in your career

>>16830947
Im getting a PhD in Chem from a top 10 institution but have decided academia may not be for me. Im not doing organic or physical chemistry. Im doing electrochemistry, so the job market looks like mostly start ups. If I wanted to make a shift and work in semiconductors or fusion for example, would those companies hire me if I told them I self studied electrical engineering or plasma physics? Or is the only hope to try and demonstrate this by doing projects and publishing science that incorporate these sort of skills?

End of an era

https://open.substack.com/pub/bojan/p/the-phd-reckoning

>>16840994
Try getting past the first year before asking such dumb questions or ask your advisor or a grad student closer to defending, assuming you're even actually in grad school

>>16841089
>no STEM restriction
Useless and off-topic

>>16841089
>liberal arts
who gives a fuck

>>16840754
I took a series of mathematician undergrad real analysis class for shits and giggles in grad school (for no credits but also for free due to how the uni system works in my country), it was actually quite useful.

Didn't learn how to do any computation I couldn't already, but I did get a ton of practice in proving theorems and a stronger intuition for the field in general that made me a lot more confident in modeling problems at work.

t. originally engineer, now researcher in a different field

Am I the only one who actually has a career here? Seems like we should change the general to stem grad school general.

>>16840994
Self-study helps develop skills but by itself does not count for much from an employer's point of view. It's hard to evaluate what your efforts actually amounted to without a tangible output, be it a degree, a paper, a project or something like that.

With a chemistry background there's much more useful overlap with semiconductor industry than fusion.

>>16841426
why would people who are already way up in the career ladder and basically set for life participate in a job seeker general?

academicians really not beating the retard allegations

Haha I'm employed now. I got mine. Fuck you.

>>16841426
post your resume so we can judge your so-called career

>>16841447
freak status: bodied

>>16841447
I'm just saying the thread is called stem career general yet 95% of the posts are about going to grad school. Being a student isn't a career. I'm not sure why this had made you angry, but it would be better if the thread topic was actually aligned with the content.

>>16841497
Being in grad school doesn't mean you don't have a career though? I'm working through a master's program but I have a full time job as an electrical engineer, with my employer paying for my degree.

>>16841497
phd is literally an apprenticeship job

>>16841497
>I'm just saying the thread is called stem career general yet 95% of the posts are about going to grad school.
NTA but in many cases such as Physics, you need a PhD to get an interesting job.
> Being a student isn't a career.
True, though media makes it out to be a lifestyle.
> I'm not sure why this had made you angry, but it would be better if the thread topic was actually aligned with the content.
I am open for career discussions for STEM degrees without having to go to grad school. I did a PhD and the FAQ is heavily skewed to grad school careers, but I am open for all inputs here.

t.FAQ editor

>>16841499
You're extremely privileged. Probably the top 0.00000001% of Humanity.
Employer's don't do shit these days.

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>bachelor's in chem e
>work a job for 8 years, 50% travel and many other uncomfortable aspects of it going from refinery to refinery doing contracting work
>get a master's in CS hoping to change careers
>that industry is in the gutter
>oil is $60/bbl, also in the gutter
I just make great decisions fr fr. There are positions open for my previous role but I really hate travelling. Other option is I would need to move which also blows ass...and working in Texas City sounds like hell. Didn't want to breathe in that nasty ass air for my whole life. Fuck m8. Job hunting really is about knowing SOMEONE to vouch for you.

>>16841804
Keep refining oil it's better than unemployment.
If not then do a PhD. You're ripe for a 3 year PhD.

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>>16841807
if I cant find something by jan I might have too. Would suck moving 40 minutes east away from inlaws and shit but...those positions would easily pay me $150-$200k. Texas city has enough work they shouldn't ever need to move me to other sites to help them out...but the problem is they know I'm competent. I've worked at every single one of their fucking sites (salt lake, detroit, el paso, garyville, etc) and the guys they currently have are of questionable skills.
The struggle.

>>16841810
You are willingly unemployed to get a fake engineering gig?

>>16841813
my old job paid $200k and I lived well below my means and invested well. I wanted to change careers but it's looking like it isn't happening.
So sort of, yes. It might be time to go back to the oil patch, bros...

>>16841711
Thanks, I'll make sure to check my privilege.

>>16841426
I've got a career, though lately it feels like that died but I have a job anyway.

Like other anons said, once you're gainfully employed there's not a huge amount of reasons to post here. One reason I still lurk and occasionally post is that I'm looking to pivot out of this job sooner or later.

It feels pretty bleak.

>Engineering interview at Amazon Kuiper tomorrow
>Mostly for test operations shit (basically a glorified technician)
>One line of the job description was about doing some test automation stuff
>I figured it was writing some little fuckass 30 line python scripts
>I was honest in round one that I'm basically a beginner with python and that I'm familiar with some specific test software but on a conditional basis and that I would need to do some homework before being willing to do it for work
>They said that's fine no worries it's more of a preferred qualification
>Today
>Get email from recruiter with interview schedule and there's a whole hour devoted to live coding in Python and LabView

I'm gonna fucking kill myself dawg I'm fucked

>>16841497
>grad school.
>Being a student isn't a career
what do you think PhD students do, exactly? Don't know about the US but I worked full time as a researcher at an institute the entire time I was in my PhD program, and it's a similar story for many of my peers in Europe (though not everyone manages to avoid teaching duties)

a STEM career in any field other than codemonkeying, ME or EE will likely require a PhD anyway.

>>16842538
well at least you're getting interviews. I've never been able to hear back from a western tech company even after like 8 years of trying

>>16842548
In the US it's pretty common to do 2-3 years of teaching, sometimes more. But that includes the Masters, so many do their PhD only portion fully on an RA which is essentially a full time job, but splits of how much of the work is relevant to your thesis versus just for the lab vary dramatically.

>>16842567
>masters
>phd portion
as you're surely aware, in most countries a PhD program only accepts people who already have an MSc, so it's typically 4 full years on top of a 1-2 year MSc.

regardless, the teaching + research work split is universal. if you work at a uni they will force you to teach. if you manage to get a job at an independent research institute while doing your PhD like I did, you only need to do enough "teaching" to collect the necessary credits, which is hardly any.

the split between lab work and thesis work depends on your boss and your thesis topic. many smoothbrains pick a topic that is only tangentially related to what their lab does and end up having to do it all on their own time, leading to delays or failure to graduate. most people are savvy enough to find something that overlaps with their day job, and most supervisors will at least try to help you get tasks you can use in your thesis

>>16842585
What field are you in? Physics? Chemistry? Engineering? This varies a lot by field.

>>16842205
>Like other anons said, once you're gainfully employed there's not a huge amount of reasons to post here
I am comparing this job to tech workers general on /g/ and that thread is full of people posting about their job. The idea that there's no reason to post is nonsense, people post about literally anything all the time.

>>16842927
i meant thread, not job

>>16841426
I have a career too, have had one for well over a decade.

>>16842869
What part of this varies by field, exactly? The only variable is how much research funding is available. More research funding => less focus on filling time with teaching duties and working on your own time, more research focused positions available.

tfw I got into construction inspection and for half the year it's a very lazy job.
Thanks /stemg/

https://www.jccf.ca/ (Canada)
The fuck is this shit?

>>16842945
Teaching is basically not a thing in many fields, e.g. medicine. Same with random grunt tasks helping in the lab do not exist in theoretical fields.

>>16843824
>teaching is not a thing in many fields
>e.g. medicine
So what are the guys in medical school doing? Jerking off for a few years before they go to work in hospitals?

>>16843824
I'd argue medicine is sufficiently different from everything else to be considered separately. You've got the whole medical practice thing packaged in that simply has no equivalent in most sciences.

As for grunt tasks, there are grunt tasks in every field, you can be bloody sure of that. If nothing else then teaching is one of them :^)

ACADEMIA OR PSYCH WARD CALL IT

>>16843936
how do you even get into a psych ward nowadays? i'd be doing literally anything else if i could, but alas i'm stuck with a public sector research job

Does starting medical school at 27 make sense? I have mechanical engineering degree but the pay is shit and it does not look like it will get any better in future. I wouldn't have to pay for it because europoor here.

>>16843950
>how do you even get into a psych ward nowadays?
Be a young woman or a genuine basket case

>>16843960
Come to think of it, the same applies for getting into permanent academic positions

any advice for being even remotely happy?

>>16844001
Wife, kids, hobbies, leave at 5.

>>16844001
Read a good book while enjoying a nice cuppa tea.

>>16844037
Ah, straight to the hard mode.

>>16843950
Involuntary commitment, usually.

>>16844037
yeah sure but what about things you can actually obtain in the real world?

>>16830947
How can I get into the energy industry with a degree in systems engineering?

>>16844423
project management maybe? though good luck getting your foot in the door without nepotism

why does everyone keep saying we need more AI for science? we need less of it. robots arent free to take my job.

>>16845573
Science is largely a waste of (taxpayer) money, likely including you. We shouldn't be wasting resources, even if that means replacing your job. Otherwise we end up with shit like tons of illegal immigrants flooding countries to pic crops rather than machines or unionized dock workers getting hurt and slowing down shipping because automating the process would cost their jobs.
Automating things is generally good. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be standards or supervision, but if your job can be replicated by a machine your skillset isn't worthwhile, and you are a drain on society.

Science should probably go back to being a hobby for the rich

>>16845641
>>16845604
science is a business like any other. your primary product is hype and prestige sold to people with the authority to spend other people's money to advance their own careers (politicians, middling corporate managers or executives), delusional richfags (investors) or other self-perpetuating extractive institutions (university boards competing for customers)

>>16830947
Recently got a (shit) job as an embedded SWE in aerospace and all of my colleagues have masters in aerospace engineering or physics. They're all doing docs or manual testing, quite depressing.

>>16846332
It's privilege to even have that job.

>>16846332
which company? one of the big primes?
aero work is boring as shit paperwork 80% of the time, might be better at a smaller company though
if you ever leave a design role for test/manufacturing/anything else you're never gonna get back into design

I’m in grad school rn and have realized I have no talent for mathematics (what I’m studying) I still enjoy it but I’m already at a tier 3 school and don’t feel like I have any marketable skills.

I’m actually a much stronger writer than I ever have been a logician I just find math beautiful so I stuck with it.

I spent a fair few years after undergrad working retail just to make ends meet and am at a loss.

Where do I go from here if I realize I won’t get a job in academia, industry won’t want me because of my poor performance in comparison to my peers, and I don’t enjoy teaching.

I wanted a career doing applied research in industry but those jobs are very competitive and as I’m nearing 30 I have no real work experience.

I don’t feel as if I’ve leaned any marketable skills from my time in school and while I don’t have too much debt I’m not seeing a career path for myself.

What should I do?

>>16847584
how far along in grad school? if you're in too deep might as well get the piece of paper. can't say it will do you any good though.

>>16847584
Apply for a weenie engineering job for defense contractors, they have no standards. I've seen liberal arts majors and IT degrees in "engineering" roles, they do not give a fuck.

>>16847606
>>16847584
this. please consult my resume for proof.
>>16831744

>>16847669
>systems engineer
Aside from being a foreign national, any defense contractor in the US would scoop you up. They are infatuated with "systems engineers". Try applying for Saab AB or BAE Systems Hägglunds.

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has anyone here managed to escape eastern europe after getting a degree in their home country?

I can't find a single example of a person managing to leave my country if they didn't enroll in a western university right after high school

>>16847749
You don't need to leave Poland because all the software jobs are there.
There are unreal numbers of polish remote jobs.

>>16847776
I am not polish. I would perhaps even consider going to poland if I could get in

but ideally I just want as far away from russia as possible to avoid dying to a drone

>>16847793
>russian
i'm sorry but you're fucked

>>16847492
Airbus. Tech stack is straight from hell. All of these guys came from smaller companies doing more interesting work for less pay

>>16847939
yeah that's why. not much else you can do with an aeroeng, or god forbid, a physics masters. they're probably happy to be employed at all lmao
likely too early to do since you just got hired, but seriously consider trying to get into something that'll get you a clearance. that's like, the only benefit you can get as an SWE stuck at a defense company, other than a paycheck and some resume filler

Just got a CS degree from the best university in Australia for CS with good grades and can't find a job. What I do now? Is there any point getting more education, and if so what should I study?

>>16830947
What a shitlist. Big multinational corporations firing people lol.
UPS union is fully extorting the company. They are done.
Intel is a processor maker that can't make processors. Done.
Amazon and Accenture are pushing AI migration. Sorry, if a robot can replace you it wasn't a job anyways.
Nestle is Satan, net benefit for the people who left it.
Novo dropped 20+ billion in bids on companies in the last couple of years. Sorry dead weight leaving a company is not a bad thing.
Microsoft? Bill Gates see nestle
PARAMOUNT? Death to pedowood.
APPLIED MATERIALS someone is just trying to fud
META? You mean 600 employees is an issue after burning hundreds of billions on failed projects? More should be fired for the clusterfuck in the last decade.

So you have salesforce, a company that has been about downsizing other companies as they saas your job.
Target, go woke go broke.
so that leaves PwC and Kroger. 6600 jobs
Wasn't the number like 10k per day retire in the US alone?
Yeah, nothing ever happens.
Nigger nigger faggot nigger.

>>16847971
Move to ADELAIDE

>>16847938
I'm not russian I am from a country too close to russia

>>16848188
Bad spawn you can always try to reroll but nowadays odds are you get Nigeria or India

>>16830947
>Accenture and PwC shredding people
Have Deloitte and EY been able to hide their job massacres?

>>16848794
I never see them in the news, so i guess so.

>>16848794
I don't know what the point is, whoever doesn't fire anyone will be doing much better.

Putting the finishing touches on a set of fake emails between Jeffrey Epstein and my Supervisor... Enjoy explaining this one away...

>>16849064
MGS2 predicted this

>>16849064
don't do this. he will be forced to release the real ones, implicating the entire faculty
>>16847939
fuck airbus niggers. didn't pick my technology module in an ESA tender after giving very encouraging feedback and egging me on to produce a ton of documentation for it, still salty about it

Just got a staff scientist position (PhD in chemistry) at a national laboratory in the American southwest. Bretty comfy but I wish I made more ($150k). Should I move or stay? I do have plenty of room to move up at the lab where jobs start paying $200-250k or more. Downside is that I have a long commute and NM is kind of a shithole. No kids or wife either (I'm an incel at the moment).

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>>16849623
>comfy but I wish I made more ($150k)
if I ever see an american claim to svffer I will personally skin them alive

Dream jobs: (1) Research mathematician; (2) Teaching mathematics to adults. (3): Crazy idea: Pivot to quantum information/quantum computation in the defense sector.

Already have a math PhD and I am currently working on MEd in Higher Education and MSc in Physics by distance learning. Will not finish before 2028 by which time the job market will probably look better. Any advice?

>>16849623
Why do you need more money if you are an incel?

>>16849832
So you went all in on your 2nd dream

>>16849623
>incel at the moment
stfu stolen valor fakecel poser. you can't be an incel "at the moment", you either are one or you're not.

>>16849832
>Teaching mathematics to adults
ChatGPT exists bro

>>16849623
>$150k
I mean Santa Fe is kinda pricey and Española is aggressively terrible, but maybe just enjoy where you're at and put your excess energy and ambition into something else. Taking up art will help expand your social circle in Santa Fe and give you something to strive for and improve upon.

>>16849879
He might be at Sandia, and ABQ is a shithole.

>>16850070
Albuquerque new mexico is amazing, they said so on breaking Bad

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>>16831033
it's my first time posting here

>>16830947
I have an option to make a PhD in quantum computing OR neuromorphic computing.
In both cases my job is to design and fabricate devices that can be scaled up to a proper chip.
Which direction should I take?
Both imply nanoelectronics engineering

>>16851009
must be nice to have options you bastard. I've been applying to phds since july and gotten nothing yet.

>>16851013
Where and in what field?

>>16851016
bioinformatics sweden

>>16851018
I heard Bio-stuff is having a hard time and the PhDs there are generally underpaid, therefore good luck with it anon! It can definitly take a while as it took me over half of a year to get to the point where I'm getting offers and my field is more approachable.
Are you looking europe-wide /worldwide?

>>16851020
>It can definitly take a while as it took me over half of a year to get to the point where I'm getting offers and my field is more approachable.
how did you do that?
I am looking around this area because I can't move, otherwise I'd move immediately.

>>16851021
My field is materials science and electronic materials. Therefore I have already a clear field I can apply to.
First it was difficult as I applied to places that somehow kinda fit in my profile while not being really relevant to me, such as some phd about direct plasma reduction of iron oxide. They even invited me for an interview that i horribly failed (although now if i think about it I should have been easily able to answer the questions they asked)
I also asked my supervisor of master thesis for recommendations where to apply.
Over time I started looking for positions that fit my profile more directly, but also spend a lot of time preparing specifically for their topic. This way the application letter itself, and subsequent interview was already on some professional level.
So like instead of writing "dear sir or madam" to 100 different positions, pick those that really speak to you, look at the background of people, read through their papers. Then you can kinda address the things in the application they want to hear, adjust your presentation to what they want to see.
Look at job lists of universities and check institutes themselves. Often they dont actively list but they have something like "we are looking for phd students apply by email". You can also write to their professors if you really like what they do and think you can fit, theres a high possibilty they can hav a spot.
Basically write an email, "yea im interested in doing phd with you on this topic because ..." add cv and diploma in attachements
So TLDR instead of sending generic applications to 1000 people write very targeted ones to 10

>>16851024
but the only way to target your application is by changing your cover letter and nobody reads that

>>16851026
Make it short and straight to the point. Then people will actually read it.
Introduce yourself
>"I finished XY with this specialization"
Say why you are applying (very specific please!)
>"I am highly interested in microfabrication of 2D transistors as the field of TMDC is something I have been looking into since my studies..."
Say what you have to offer (also very specific!)
>"During my thesis/research work at institute XYZ I worked on CMOS processes. Therefore I posess practical experience with cleanroom processes and analysis techniques such as SEM and AFM which I am looking forward to utilize"

And make it short, third to half a page. This is why your 2nd and 3rd part needs to be VERY specific tailored for the position itself. You worked on many things but you need to name the extact thing they want to hear. And to know it you have to read what they were working on. If you write a long cover letter nobody is going to read all of that shit. Cover letter is important to catch attention. It should be short and impactful.

>>16851028
Yeah I've already reduced it from 500 to 350, but maybe it should be 250 words.

>>16851029
My last cover letter (that led to an offer) had 167 words. Including stuff like "dear xxx" and "sincerely"

>>16851018
Oh and check here
https://jobs.ethz.ch/job/view/JOPG_ethz_hFwUp5iB45MPyJkCe4
I don't give a fuck that you cannot move. Apply anyways. That's your training

>>16851037
You expect me to get into a PhD in the richest city in europe?
This is like applying to a company in San Francisco

>>16851068
It's Basel not Zürich, and it's 100% funded position so you'll manage

>>16851068
>>16851072
But if its TOO EXPENSIVE for you apply here then, there are jobs that seem to fit your direction
https://www.fz-juelich.de/en/careers/jobs?targetGroup=promovierende

>>16851073
Are those remote?
Those are a lot.

>>16851072
well a swiss salary will probably let me commute by air I believe or something.

>>16851076
I don't think in such places you can get a fully remote PhD. The ones with computing offer usually home office though.
Shame my PhD requires a lot of lab work so remote would not really be possible for me

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I did a PhD in inorganic chemistry. Wtf can I do now? It was so fucking hard, it took me forever. I had to learn like 20 kinds of spectroscopy, computational chemistry, crystallography, and make a bunch of nasty synthesis work, and I got poisoned by toxic gas a bunch of times. Now I'm going to die and I'm not employable in either chemistry or physics. Should I kms?
I have a whole storage locker full of KCN. I could even make it spicy and use a fancy derivative of KCN like a cyanated molebdenyl or something. It would probably still work.

>>16851024
>My is materials science
How hard is it? Can I become a materials scientist somehow? Would they take a chemist as a postdoc?

>>16842538
I forgot to make an update on this. I didn't get the job. 3/4 of my final round interviews went perfectly but the hiring manager was a fucking asshole and made me suffer through an hour of python live coding despite me repeatedly trying to tell him that I don't know much python (as previously discussed with him) and that I thought it was only a minor preferred qualification. He responded by telling me that at Amazon, every interview is supposed to be conducted "in an information vacuum" and that he wouldn't be acknowledging any previous interaction with me during the course of the interview. Luckily I don't have a cooldown period since the role is specialized but I'm still pissed.

>>16851189
>How hard is it? Can I become a materials scientist somehow? Would they take a chemist as a postdoc?
One of the hardest majors out there and my uni decided to make it extra difficult because fuck you. It is very disciplinary so you had to to learn shitton of various things from metallurgy to condensed matter physics and somehow same subjects you take as physicists only gives you 3 credits instead of 5 so you have almost twice as many subjects to pass.
Of course you can, whether you are chemist or not does not matter, what matters is how your skills fit to the specific job description. Think less about what major did you do but instead of what kind of techniques you can do, surely with computational chemistry, crystallography and xrd there's something you can apply to

I graduated with my BS in math in 2023. I now want to return to do my MS. To apply to the program I need 3 rec letters. However, for my last year and a half (upper level classes), I basically only had two professors.
Prior to that my math professors were during the COVID semesters, and so classes were online; they didn't really get to know me. Should I still ask 1 or 2 of the profs in these classes for rec letters? I got an A+ in all those classes.

>check postdoc job listing at any european institute or university
>requirements: degree from top university
>requirements: outstanding publications in leading journals and conferences
so it really is impossible to continue a research career if you didn't go to a T100 university, right?

I'm from an eastern european shithole, even the best university (degree) and research institute (employer) in my country are no-names globally.

What a colossal waste of time this whole affair has been. Only the kids of richfags who got sent abroad right after high school after securing a bunch of pay-for-play certs get to make it out of here.

>>16851073
>>16851072
>>16851037
>>16851018
man it pisses me off so much to see you nepo fucks have options like going to ETH just because you were lucky enough to be born in a good country

>>16851412
But I'm not going to ETH, im going to RWTH
I'm just suggesting the other anon to apply

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Went from embedded systems industry to academia (support role) cause mega recession coming up and honestly I broke my neck at the change of pacing. I am constantly filled with anxiety at the fact that my supervisor has zero tangible deadlines for me and the most interactions I have with her is hello and her lurking in teams. Two senior guys who have been here for decades know the architecture so well that I feel like a toddler asking them simple questions after trying to understand a codebase spanning those decades in a different language than I worked in. Only tangible thing keeping me sane is the fact that my position is field deployment centric and they don't want to leave their office so they won't fire me (I hope). Granted I'm only two months in.

Is this normal? Am I going crazy? Maybe I'm actually mentally ill and should be relaxing at the fact that I'm now unionized and in public sector during a downturn.

>>16851392
You should ask whoever knows and likes you. Your grade isn't relevant, the worst letter you can have is:
>This student took courses X, Y, and Z, and got As.

>>16851412
We don't. Eth is extremely competitive and it probably just hires indians

>>16851411
>What a colossal waste of time this whole affair has been.
amen brother

>>16851463
Not sure how you figure that being in academia is a good thing for job security in 2026 .

>>16851489
We're extremely well funded into 2030 and support staff is unionized in Canada, at least where I am. Beats being let go to pump some adminfags bonus I guess. Thankfully the projects have defense sides so doubt we will get defunded randomly.

I'm planning on doing an online MSc in Physics this fall while working. 100% free in my country. Good or bad idea?

>>16851470
Ok, thanks.

What do people who can't get into a PhD do?

>>16851583
get a job, start family, have sex, have hobbies, do a second msc

>>16851411
The PIs I've met who are really that pigheaded about rankings tend to be underwhelming.

Most likely it just means that Ranjeesh who graduated summa cum laude from a diploma mill and published 19 papers in predatory journals gets their resume shredded.

>>16851587
I decided to do an mba

>>16851009
In short, both good options so pick the one you like the supervisor and location of more.
Quantum comp is a more employable right now depending on the type of qubit you will work with. Neuromorphic is currently a bit of a fad and meme but arguably will have more staying power. Even if a scalable quantum computer with enough logical qubits to be useful never happens, neuromorphic circuits can still be useful. With either of them you can also get yourself into nanofab.

>>16851623
Location is pretty much same distance from me in both cases and both supervisors are very big in their fields and quite nice.
Its interesting to hear that quantum is more employable, I heard usually the opposite opinions.
With neuromorphic they want to create new type of memristors that would allow different type of logic and computing in memory chips to exist which should be way better for AI
No real clue about quantum though or how it can actually be used.

>>16851278
I want to keep doing quantum materials research. I was trying to do quantum materials research in chemistry. I was studying electron spin dynamics in molecular and supramolecular systems with ESR, Raman, XRD, and various magnetic spectroscopies and synchrotron techniques. But the problem is chemical systems are ultimately just kinda shitty compared to isotopically purified solid state semiconductors. I think photonic quantum computer on a chip approaches are probably the future, but my expertise has way more overlap with solid state defects (vacancies) and semiconductor quantum dots. Ultimately, I would need to get good at nano fabrication to work in any of those fields tho. I just don't want to have to do any more degrees. My PhD already fully ruined my life. I need at the very least a postdoc, or, preferably, a job. What I was thinking is maybe I could do a postdoc at a solid state physics lab that does nano fabrication of quantum materials involving spin and I could sell myself as a spectroscopies that can develop microwave pulse sequences or do synchrotron stuff for them, but I just don't know if anybody like that would hire a chemist that doesn't already know materials Science methodology.

>>16851009
>>16851711
I wish I was in your position anon. I got into quantum in 2020 when I had already started my chemistry PhD, but tried to make it work with my chemistry PhD cause there were some chemistry people trying to do quantum, but it's just not useful. I learned a lot of cool fundamental theory stuff, but what I really need to do is just learn nanofabrication.

>>16851411
Brother you are a fucking clown.

>>16830947
The layoffs are only affecting US workforce because it's overpriced. At our local branch nobody got affected.
t. europoor

>>16851711
My opinions about quantum employability may be somewhat skewed but for context: My research is in nanomechanics, low temperatures and superconducting devices and I regularly get contacted by quantum computing startups as well as the big name quantum companies with job offers. They're also where my peers from PhD and masters have ended up after leaving academia and where my current students are looking for jobs. I'm also European if that changes anything, can't speak for the American market.
Personally I believe it's a bubble and have doubts about anyone achieving a true quantum volume but right now they're starving for workers and the salaries are insane. Ten years of earning like that and you won't have to worry if it does all come crashing down, just comfortably retire.

>>16851411
Every university is filled with east europeans who take our PhDs and jobs.

>>16851411
>Postdoc
So I talked to my professor (Germany) about it. He said that there are basically no postdoc positions. The system is designed in such a way that only people who don't have a degree (PhD students) can be employed and once they get a PhD or 5 years of work they are done and can't be hired again which is also ass from the point of the institute as they don't have access to an already experienced worker.
Therefore specifically post doc position is extremely competitive and unless you made a big name for yourself it will be almost impossible to get it, be it in eastern yurop or not
I myself don't have great interest staying in the academia but it's still good to know

>>16852018
After your PhD you've gotten to the top of the ladder and there's no other credential above it.

>>16852031
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>>16852018
To prevent abusive contacts in general (but also enternal postdocs) a law was made mandating that after X years on temporary contracts a person must be offered a permanent position for the same work. There are similar laws in most European countries. In France the limit is six years, in Germany it is two. A two year limit is massive constraining so to avoid running afoul of the law most places avoid hiring postdocs outside of short durations for very specific purposes.

A second compounding problem is that many profs and institutions don't advertise for postdocs unless they already have a candidate in mind and rules force them to publicly advertise the position. I and most of the postdocs I know had jobs created for them after meeting a researcher at a conference or reaching out to them with the help of other contacts.

>>16852134
Yea but there are nowhere close enough permanent positions for each PhD.

>>16843960
you literally just need people who are worried enough

There's fucking nothing, I have a CS degree with 3 years experience and theres NOTHING, only director and senior roles.

>>16851920
unless you explain how, I don't think I'm going to take your word for it

>>16851955
must be the ones whose parents sent them out of the country before undergrad because I don't know anybody who got into a western uni after getting undergradb& here

Im at Applied and they fired a bunch of people then told us how great the year was and the next etc

>>16853103
I have seen them