HLS infodump - editionprevious >>16825075
https://www.spacex.com/updates#moon-and-beyond
>600 (SIX HUNDRED) cubic meters
>>16831719don't forget the 25 (TWENTY FIVE) launches, btw
>>16831717Hold up, did they just invent a new docking standard just for Artemis?
>Starship>doesn't go to the stars>can't even achieve orbitlol
let's see Jeff Bezo's proposal
In today's news>Tory being a fucking brainlet and still confused about Raptor 3>SpaceX HLS update
>>16831717https://x.com/SpaceX/status/198392685650497126820s video clip
>>16831728https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1983921001717997728
>>16831731PowerPointX
>>16831729This is genuinely cool shit because sensor fusion doesn't just have to be for fighter jets any more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuwgOlc-1AUThis guy is more lucid at 90 than the past two US presidents. Concerning.
>>16831729>those faces in the reflection
>>16831736Trump is pretty lucid is he not?Compared to Biden at least
>>16831729That's Raja Chari?
>>16831741Not really.
>>16831745Yeah, I think it is.
https://sxcontent9668.azureedge.us/cms-assets/assets/Prop_Transfer_4_K_83ce127002.mp4original is 88mb, this post has a very compressed video
China on the Moon in 2030. Done deal.
>>16831755
>>16831756>>16831728the space race heats up. well more like space marathon.
>>16831755How is the camera teleporting around like that?
That's nice. "Pats on Head*
How good was the first iteration of F9 relative to other launchers at the time?
Does Brilly realize there are zero spare SLS to test this system? Apollo had a half dozen missions before Apollo 11 to work out the bugs. But this guy wants to raw dog Artemis Mark 2?
>>16831728what the fuck is up with the captcha taking forever
>>16831765and when would EUS be ready? they aren't beating china with that planwhat a fucking joke, I really hope Trump doesn't get bamboozled by these people
SPACE SEXSPACESEXSPACE SEX
>>16831765>launching both orion and the lander on one flight of the SLSis he delusional?
>A report on Microwave Thermal Propulsion for space launch:https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20170009162
>>16831773Part of the old, original reasoning behind the EUS was that you'd be able to co-manifest part of the lander with Orion. If we were still sticking with a lander design like the old National Team proposal EUS wouldn't seem like such a complete waste of money.
>>16831771>"I'm ready to settle down and get crewed"
>>16831773no, he is getting paid to lie i.e. lobby for oldspace
>>16831765>Does Brilly realizeHe's literally a paid shill, retard.>>16831773See above.
>>16831777kek, its actually the depot that's the slut tho nice trips
>There's comparisons between propellant choices and ways to create SSTOs that only need 0.3-1 MW/kg to launch, followed by details of many successful small-scale demonstration flights.Love to see Boron compounds in the hunt.
>>16831776>part of the lander
Is there an official stream for this?
>>16831782>Part of the crew
>>16831784probably just going through the update >>16831717its pretty long
>>16831785I hope there is a vegan seat option.
Ngl HLS is very uninspired. Feels like NASA has a few bullet points they were looking for in a lander, and SX just went>hmm okay just put chairs and an airlock/garage–and the rest can just be open space… who gives a shit
>>16831790I still think it’s cool, though, for the record
>>16831790>who gives a shitIn this case, that's entirely valid. No point in shoving in shit they don't need initially.
>>16831717>The test series also measured the acoustic environments inside the cabin."The test was successful. We could barely hear the screams of the dying test subjects."
>>16831790It's the minimum viable HLS, it'll get better
>>16831790its up to nasa to put in the other stuff
>>16831790first lunar lander>broom closet>no space>claustrophobic>barely any room to hang hammocks acrosssecond lunar lander>multistory penthouse>so much space>expansive>room to hang a 6 meter circular hammock above the command deckIt's like poetry it rhymes
>>16831794>>16831796Yeah that’s the way I see it. It’s a flag and footprints, get the job done, pressure vessel. Like a skylab with legs and landing engines.It’s still amazing though especially when pitted against the grumman LM and the soviet LK lander
>>16831785It's missing is a small BBQ pit
What if Dragonfly fails to start its rotors upon EDL or the heatshield gets stuck after 6 years of travel?
>>16831721>don't forget the 25 (TWENTY FIVE) launches, btwThe sounding rockets? The carnival rides? The suborbitals?
>>16831766Why is there so much dust in space
>>16831804>6 years of travelgonna be like 1 or 2 with the meme drive
>>16831724new to SpaceX, they didn't have a two-way dock before
>>16831717>an androgynous spacex docking system capable of serving as the active system or passiveIt's over, trans have won..
>>16831717How do you view this? For me, the page ends after the "updates" picture.
>>16831725>Starliner>doesn't line the pockets of Boeing>can't even achieve cost pluslol
>>16831806No women up there to clean it up
>>16831813you can't scroll down? maybe test another browser or somethign
>>16831804Shit happens man, I’ve been obsessed with following NASA launches and missions since the early 00s. You get used to the huge expectations and even bigger letdowns.I used to think Delta II was big. I wore the pain of Mars Polar Lander failing. I was hurt when Deep Space 2 failed. I remember seeing Huygens losing its data uplink. I was completely ready for JWST to have a mission-ending origami unfolding error. If you’re a train autist, you get the luxury of timely arrivals and fun, predictable, dopamine. To be a space autist, however, one must emulate buddha and let go
>>16831817There is nowhere to scroll. Look at the scrollbar in my screenshot.
>>16831755I couldn't watch that without Blue Danube playing in my head.
https://x.com/TurkeyBeaver/status/1983989321859526827>spacex employees having fun and partying>celebration of west coast launching 8 per month
>>16831820i recognize that artist
>just let indian perverts hundreds of miles away into your home remotely saar>just let them watch your prepubescent daughter while you are at work saar>just let them take your credit card info from over your shoulder saarHAHAHAHAH HOLY SHIT
>>16831765>we're going to beat China to the Moonapparently 1969 never happened
>>16831813Looks like it's due to a bunch of errors.
>>16831824its not dead if it can pick up a rifle and be sent to the battlefield
>>16831821
>>16831828CSP was a mistake
>>16831824
>>16831824Wrong thread?
>>16831824AI remains the only problem in robotics.You could put a Kuka arm on a Segway and it would be equally useful given the same software.
>>16831823let me guesshe's famous for some sort of degenerate porn
Gwynne post
>>16831717https://x.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1983927985242583455
>"In response to the latest calls, we’ve shared and are formally assessing a simplified mission architecture and concept of operations that we believe will result in a faster return to the Moon while simultaneously improving crew safety."Whats it gonna be?
>>16831840>hugely extensivetone it down faggot
>>16831838OMG! she's part of the Artemis III crew
>>16831843dragon + starship
>>16831824those beady eyes are creepy as hellthe fact there's a jeet with a some degree of anonymity behind them is straight up nightmarishjust move to Qatar and buy yourself a Filipino with stolen passport if you are that desperate for a house slave
>>16831838https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1983988280434815073lol
https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1983965560569524489>I did not take photos on my last few visits to it, but I did bounce around a few years ago inside the shell, pre-build
>>16831824It's always>Actual Indians
I cannot understand being an EDSfag and a spaceflight fan at the same time. How can you not love SpaceX?
>>16831849Didn't she say at one time that she personally would rather visit the Moon than Mars?
>>16831854Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/49mA722IhMA
>>16831855I would to, cause you still get to look at Earth
>>16831854That’s kind of how I am with Bezos and BO. At this point I think I would be pretty much incapable of recognizing where any credit would be do.To be fair though, I think at this point I am still being reasonable because everything they do is retarded
>exit cuckpod>enter grand hall
space sex
>>16831875Spayed sex??
>>16831875It was all leading up to this. The sole purpose of SpaceSEX.
Mars, aside I have a hard time believing that SpaceX could fail to land on the Moon before China (2030). Even if Starshit V3 sharts the bed three times in a row like V2 did, they would still make it before them.
>>16831855You don't "visit" Mars.You embark in a long voyage that take years.
>>16831880the only real question mark is orbital refilling which I think gets catastrophized way more than it needs tois it actually a more difficult engineering problem than what SpaceX has already done? I don't really think so, seems pretty simple actually
>>16831889If you can dock to the ISS with a capsule, you should be able to dock two of your near-identical ships together, yeah.
>>16831891Ideas are easier than implementation.
>>16831893nice... but I feel like its missing something
>>16831893What's going on with these different Superheavy variations?
>>16831894But we have been rondeyvooing in space for decades. I don't see how this would be any different other than relighting your engines to create thrust, which we also have been doing for decades and is proven with Raptor.
>>16831889No they'll just let out the pressure from the depot and have the ullage pressure from the tanker push it in.It's not that hard.
>>16831896It's the same booster from the back.Let me guess, you cannot imagine an apple?
>>16831897We've also launched rockets for decades. Have had hundreds of landings with booster. Yet, Starship still had issues even with SpaceX own expertise. The ships are different. The dockings are different. Implementation will likely have some issues, more likely than not. Implementation is harder than ideas.
>>16831717I wonder if they've been so (relatively) secretive about all this because HLS publicity is actually a decent negotiating tool. I feel like the timing on this was explicitly to make Duffy look like a tool and strengthen the Isaacman renomination chances.
>>16831900>The dockings are different. It's literally not though. The launch vehicle is drastically different to what we've had until now, but once you're in orbit everything is pretty much the same. First docking and fuel transfer test will go perfectly as planned, mark my words.
>>16831900starship is something completely new for SpaceX (and in general), it isn't simply launching rocketsthey didn't really have that much problems with landing the boosterdocking in space is not new
>>16831903>Mark my wordsWho the fuck are you?
>>16831894Not an argument.
>>16831901>secretiveThis is just a case of lacking object permanence.How did you expect to see the landing leg demonstrations or ECLSS or crew cabin mockups?They're not in a place where you could see them.>timingYes obviously the Duffy shit prompted this post.
>>16831714Data centers in Mercuries orbit is the future.
>Ideas are easier than implementation.They caught a booster out of the air on the first try, clown.
>>16831906Mark. Who the fuck are you?
>>16831911They got lucky. Just because they did one thing does not mean they will do another thing.
>>16831914lmao
>>16831889Apparently they transferred 5 tons of prop in their intra-ship tank-to-tank transfer test last year.
>>16831717https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1983923841614111119
>>16831919EDS-sisters, our response?
>>16831843SLS-Orion replaced with Falcon-Dragon and expendible tankers to lower the number of needed flights.
>>1683192040 refueling flights muskrat
>>16831921how do you get back to the dragon in leo?
>>16831923you will never be a woman
>>16831899>It's the same booster from the back.There's no need to be nasty. I had thought that the arrangement of the HLS ship and regular Starships would be the same, but putting the HLS hardware "heat shield side out" makes sense in hindsight, since there's no need for boarding capability but all the autogenous, FTS, and data lines are still needed.
>>16831927>There's no need to be nastyI'm sorry sweetheart.The QD on the HLS ship is on the back because it would be in the way of the elevator tracks.
>>16831895Where are the radiators?
>>16831925jump
>>16831930no not that, I mean the webm itself....
>>16831932It's missing nothing. N O T H I N G.
>>16831930There panel you can see the cutouts when you zoom in.These will deploy Starlink solar panels and radiators probably.Or just dump waste heat into the big bath of propellant.
>>16831765https://spacenews.com/former-nasa-administrators-call-for-changes-in-artemis-lunar-lander-architecture/https://archive.is/8feBB>In a fireside chat at the American Astronautical Society’s von Braun Space Exploration Symposium on Oct. 29, former administrators Charlie Bolden and Jim Bridenstine expressed skepticism that NASA’s current Artemis architecture, using Starship to ferry astronauts to and from the lunar surface, can succeed before the first projected Chinese crewed landing later this decade.>“How did we get back here where we now need 11 launches to get one crew to the moon?” he said, referring to the multiple refueling flights needed for Starship. “We’re never going to get there.”would be really, really funny if the 11 launch thing gets resolved by just ditching Orion and the whole going into NRHO rigamarole
https://russianspaceweb.com/soyuz-ms-28.html>The Soyuz MS-28 spacecraft, carrying two Russian cosmonauts and a US astronaut to the International Space Station was set for launch from Cosmodrome Baikonur on Nov. 27, 2025. The mission was originally supposed to use Soyuz-MS vehicle No. 759, which was the next on the assembly line at RKK Energia's ZEM factory in Korolev, near Moscow. However, during routine post-production tests at ZEM's Checkout and Test Facility Vehicle No. 759 reportedly suffered major damage to its thermal protection system which could not be repaired in time for the Expedition 74 launch. According to one source the ship's main thermal control heat shield, attached to the base of the Descent Module, was accidentally jettisoned, perhaps by a stray signal triggering the pyrotechnic bolts, connecting the Frisbee-shaped structure to the capsule. According to another source, the thermal layers of the shield peeled off, as a result of botched thermal tests.>As of late October 2025 neither Roskosmos nor the official media had confirmed the fact of an incident, but the photos of the Soyuz MS-28 spacecraft undergoing processing in Baikonur, which accompanied press-releases about the launch campaign, showed No. 753 on the flight-worthy ship. That particular Soyuz-MS was initially reserved for "tourist" missions, but after the last hopes for commercialization of the Russian space flight had evaporated due to the quagmire in Ukraine, Roskosmos was free to press Vehicle No. 753 back into routine service for the ISS. The incident with Vehicle No. 759 provided an opportunity to use the mothballed ship, before some of its critical systems would go beyond warranty.
>>16831936
>>16831929More like the windows and hatch and elevator are on the back (the heat shield side) because of the QD being at the leeward side.And they wanted to show the interesting side in the render.
>>16831936or even just boiloff itself being less of a problem than assumed for Starship, no one still knows how its actually gonna go yet, also SpaceX hinting at working on zero-boiloff too in the update
>>16831936even with 11 fueling flights with fully expended starships at 120M each it's *still* cheaper than sls at 4B a launch
>>1683193611 is already extremely generous, it'll be more.But SpaceX will be spamming depot refilling flights anyway independent of Artemis so it's fine.
>>16831941>fully expended starships at 120M eachThey can launch reusably faster than they can build new ones.Obviously.So they will be reused.
>>16831940>boiloff itself being less of a problem than assumedAssumed by whom? Trannies on xitter and reddit?Do they not know about the square cube law?
>>16831944No shit sherlock that isnt my point.
https://x.com/heospace/status/1984013693068214373>HTV-X closing in on the International Space Station. From orbit, we captured Japan’s new cargo ship carrying out its first rendezvous and capture. Congrats to JAXA on the successful first mission!
https://x.com/CharlieCamarda/status/1983946593540669893https://www.youtube.com/live/UE1Z0OBNDR8this dude (space shuttle astronaut) is worried about the heatshield apparently (which NASA has just handwaved away by saying they are going to fly a less intensive trajectory)
>>16831949A good character can be instantly recognized from its silhouette
>>16831946the retards saying it will be a problem and require not just initial 11 or 14 or 20 whatever launches but additional launches to refill due to boiloff if there are delays
25 launches in 2025 btw
>>16831952He's always posting like that and a huge Musk fan I think.Not sure how valuable his opinion is actually.
>>16831936Does the article point out their conflict of interest?
This does not bode well for Starliner
I have a business idea for the CLPS program. Sperm or Embryos to the Moon and back, then you can claim your kids were on the Moon.
>>16831952Is he retarded? Killing astronauts is NASA's job.
>>16831956Uhmm.. ACTUALLY IT WAS JUST the MAXIMUM According THE FAA! LOOK NOW YOU LOOK STUPID! BTW THE FAA IS HOLDING THE STARSHIP BACK! I AM VERY INTELLIGENT!
>>16831937They accidentally hit space bar
https://x.com/spoxspace/status/1983966311928733891>Super interesting (mostly nerdy) find about HLS is the Engine Diagram on the GUI. You can see the 3 sea-level engines, 3 vacuum engines, and the 6 packs of upper-landing engines. 4 of these packs have 4 engines, while the 2 others (opposite of each other) have 5.
>>16831965you're dancing uncontrollably
New Glenn is erected... Felon Huskies can't stop losing.
>>16831962Thank god this wont happen to SpaceX right... right?
I want nothing more at this point than for SpaceX to just do their own moon mission with just Starship.
I WILL take my last breath on the shores of Kraken Mare.
>>16831952it'll be fine>>16831964Need Another Seven Astronauts
>>16831970no they have competent management with aligned incentives as opposed to being run by wall street.
>>16831960no, not in the slightest actuallythey are only named as former administrators and when they had their terms (Bridenstine during Trump, Bolden during Obama)the absence of their current employment is made even starker when you are aware of the conflict of interest when you juxtapose it against the other names mentioned later in the article, whose current employment is very clearly talked about (this pic >>16831938 )Bob Behnken for instance is only named with respect to his current employment, it isn't even mentioned that he is a former astronautkind of makes me question the neutrality of Jeff Foust at this point to be honest and to top it all of, this article is behind a paywall
>>16831976>kind of makes me question the neutrality of Jeff Foust at this pointHe's probably just a retard like most space journalists.
https://x.com/tony873004/status/1984002706458263620>A quick trip through the thermosphere turns newly-discovered asteroid ST25J47 from an Apollo to an Aten. It is no bigger than a meter.
>>16831980Bergoid isn't the sharpest tool either.Captcha server shitting itself.
https://x.com/tony873004/status/1984020328746774853>The asteroid is now known as 2025 UC11. This animation shows where the observations were made
>>16831984He flip-flops between being sharp and sounding like he just started getting into spaceflight. I'm convinced he has multiple personalities.
>>16831976though apparently Bolden isn't actually getting paid for lobbying for old spaceI guess he does it for free
>>16831986Journalists write things people want to read, they don't write to boast about themselves.
>>16831989>Journalists write things people want to readdo they though
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984023032944525674
>>16831989>Journalists write things people want to readthey write things they want people to think retard
>>16831990At least they try, that doesn't mean you are the intended public.
JELLO BABIESthanks
>>16831980Most if not all journalists in general
>>16831785I hope elon is starting a woodgrain phase
>>16831849>nav lights are blue and red instead of green and redI dont know how I feel about this
>>16831991no starship pfp. it's so over.
>>16831869Do people here actually hate jeff though? I have nothing nice to say about him, but I don't even keep jeff or controversies during his legacy in memory. I just don't think about him much at all. I really only care that his rocket works so he can price war with spacex.
>>16831765>SLS to test lander>SLS for Orion>SLS for landerIt takes 2 years to launch a SLS minimum, So this plan would take 6 years after Artemis 2 minimum, right? So 2032?
>>16831871>No, no! All of you, you're the crazy ones! We have everything we need in the cuck pod right here. I'm staying right here where I belong. Just take my wife.
>>16832003its a cybercab panel and below it text that says "the future is autonomous"teslas shareholder meeting is one week away where shareholders vote (or have already voted) if Musk will get his 2025 compensation package (the trillion dollar package, though its not so simple)
So, Anca Faur Aldrin, wife of astronaut Buzz Aldrin, died at 66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJdAwzNLbg0
>>16831998Wait didn't that Japanese billionaire want wooden decorations for Dear Moon, but SpaceX said no because it was a fire hazard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHVgi5H5i1s
>>16832015just use wood that's already burned, problem solved
>>16832012what a disgusting age gap, she was young enough to be his daughter when she died
>>16831714Felon Huskies are afraid of watching the New Glenn static fire that is about to happen...
>>16832009anon, are you okay?
>>16832022
>>16832021>>>/ck/
>>16832001Those aren't nav lights. It's the space police.
>>16832022>>16832026can they static fire in the rain?
>>16832031I don't see why not.
>>16832034
HOLY FUCKING SHITASTRONAUTS PANICKINGARTEMIS 2 DEATH TRAP LIKE SHUTTLE
aborted static fire?
what *is* their endgame?
>>16832063Aesthetic and operations choice: look more futuristic (Elon's vision thereof), and show that EVs are good fleet vehicles. Or maybe see all the practical shortcomings from using them that way.
>>16832063cybertruck was a financial failure
>>16832067source?
Imagine if it just exploded>>16832004Yes he’s retarded and extremely incompetent and a net negative to the advancement of space flight
All that you need is a ticketCome on -- Big BoyTen cents a dance
>>16832063Rug-pulling the entire earth with history’s most overvalued stock and then escaping to mars
>Sandhill’s first meet circa 2022. Using Astro Society’s “Toilet Paper Solar System” to build a scale model of our cosmic neighborhood(Insert Uranus Joke Here)
>>16832091Respectable.
>>16832095turds are asteroids
>>16832090it's only a dime
>>16832095who the fuck still wears a mask
>>16832014https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1984068126062080070>New time is now something like 9:52 pm ET for Blue's New Glenn hot fire attempt. I believe the window can extend almost to midnight, if need be.Another attempt might be coming up
>>16831985"Up up -- and Away!"
>>16832106Valetudinarian rich white people who are also theater kids and leftist
https://x.com/dsshhh112/status/1984076799207502169>A Long March-7A has been transported to the launch tower.
>>16832111that woman and kid's skin tone is too olive to be white
>>16832110so thats how these fuckers go interstellar
>>16832113This is the one for Escape right
>>16832113what's up with the gator photoshopped(?) onto the fairing?
> Our findings suggest that the region holds around 1.2 trillion cubic meters of ice below the surface.Time for a Martian NHL expansion team.
>>16832122Yep
>>16832124thats where life is then, we wont be allowed to settle there
>>16832123I thought it was that jak squirrel at first.
>>16832124imagine a starship with 1.2trillion m^3 of pressurized volume.
>>16832129That's NUTS
>>16831726who do you think Jeff who blames for not being able to go to space?
>>16832113>>16832123
>>16831843No SLS, no Orion. Full Starship architecture, or at the very least, Starship + Dragon architecture.
>>16831925This is a good question and I havent heard a great answer. HLS as pitched should only have enough fuel to return to LLO as I understand. And if it doesnt have a heatshield, it cant do the return from lunar orbit. Dragon doesnt have a lunar capable heatshield either (doesnt need one if it stays in LEO). But barring refuelling in LLO with a second tanker (how is that fucker getting refueled?) I dont see how 50 Starship refuel flights makes a lunar missions simpler or faster execution
>>16831824This was obvious. The demo video literally had indians in a call center responding via the robot.
>>16831917Why did they (and NASA) keep this a secret till now?
>>16831936Et tu, Jim?
>>16832154lel
>>16831952honestly we should be killing more astronauts. it needs to be normalized
>>16832159does it need to be heatshield related? or can we can just have them shoot eachother while they're on the iss?
>>16832090They named their symposium after a fr*cking nazi?
>>16832106>2022lots
>>16832161Ideally ramp up the latter first, and they cant use guns, or they'll ban guns in space. need to use fists or essential objects like screwdrivers. then while everyone is distracted, ramp up heatshield deaths. then finally, ramp up space gun deaths.
>>16831952don't worry, somehow Musk will be blamed if they all die.
Spacex will land hls on the moon with raptors alone. no gay thrusters. zubrin will piss and shit himself
https://x.com/JeffBezos/status/1984093316657627215
>>16832123>>16832134photography niggers should be shot
>>16832188I genuinely like nooglin, I wish it had started flying in 2016
>>16832188i love you, alive girl
>>16832190it has the potential to be the second best rocket in the world, I really hope it can make that happen
>>16832188
>>16831726
>>16832190>I wish it had started flying in 2016this but SLS Orion
>>16832203reddit fanfiction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHVgi5H5i1shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I8Z36gytLIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hizfmyo2OaM
>>16832210wrong>“They’ve been very quiet about it,” Davenport says in the latest episode of the Fiction Science podcast. “I asked Jeff specifically about that at the New Glenn launch, and he didn’t want to talk about it.”>In the book, he quotes Bezos as saying only that “we are working on a vehicle that will come after New Glenn and lift more mass.”
>>16832214yes, New Armstrong was first mentioned 9 years ago. to this day there remain zero public specs, renders, or even DOD powerpoints. for all intents and purposes, it is fiction
https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/nasas-juno-mission-captures-lightning-on-jupiter/Slop account alerted me to this image from 2020 of lightning of Jupiter
>>16832216That quote is from this year. Also, Blue Origin and Bezos are way more secretive than Musk/SpaceX, of course they aren't going to reveal much of what they are working on, so your whole argument means nothing.
>>16832200Are those vibrations normal? I don't remember seeing them in spacex static fires.
>>16832113kino
>>16832124Phlegra Montes is 100% going to be the SX landing site. God I can't wait for when we start exploring Martian glaciers on foot instead of fucking highland craters for the billionth time.
>>16832217
>>16832221The quote referred to in Davenport's book took place 9 years ago. They are not more secretive, they simply don't have anything to show, and if they did, they would show it. Fanboys call it "secretive" but it's just cope. As soon as Blue had actual hardware, they've paraded the shit out of it, including mockups.
>>16832106Maybe the kid is sick.
>>16832280That's preposterous.
>>16832281Maybe the kid doesn't want to be identified
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLLGwaxEAxI
>>16832287
>>16832288
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJfAD1e8gEY>Who's in charge of terminating a rocket?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984141376133722469
>>16832294And Optimus with DECtalk TTS will be there. aeiou.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984174560410005757
the spacex update mentioned that Raptor V2 has run for 226k seconds and Raptor V3 for 40k seconds
https://youtu.be/a2CqnWdectEThis is the best YouTube channel
test
chinese launch to their space station in like 5 hourshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdKgnrcGDVU
>>16832296Notice no one at Ars could find the time to put up an article today about this rather big space news. Guess they didn't want to take the blowback from their Elon hating subscribers.
>>16832314probably just writing a longer article and/or asking around for what the proposals for hastened timelines submitted by SpaceX and BO are and if they in fact skip SLS and Orion entirely
>>16832225It's the camera vibrating
>>16832314They never go for the latest news they usually do it after a day with more accuracy.
>>16832213>tile the USA with solar panels. (embed)I hate solar fags so much it's unreal
>>16832305These stats doesn't take into account test firing for these engines though. Only flight time
>>16832306not gonna spend the time to watch this but consider how foreign a species that has knowledge of life after death would be to us. They would care little for individual lives, or ending them, and wonder why we care so much about staying alive.Imagine what a species capable of literal groupthink would be like. A virtual hivemind where every individual is connected telepathically (higher communication bandwidth) through the use of advanced technology. how would they view individuality?
>>16832330>These stats doesn't take into account test firing for these engines though. Only flight time. No, I don't even know Raptor 3 hasn't flown yet, completely contradicting my statement.
>>16832330it depends but according to grok they mostly do
>>16832329China will bulldoze your country and shit on you
>>16832335You couldn't sanity check that yourself? You needed AI?Found the Great Filter.
>>16832335Grok types like Elon
>>16832331I only seek knowledge of the xeno to better understand how they can be killed.
>>16832342the stats were from grok in the first place (or aggregrated by it)why the fuck would I waste hours checking on something that takes a minute or two with a LLM? are you retarded?
>>16832334Absolute subhuman retard, you think they all got the same source or some shit? Some engines have only flight time. Some have pure guesses of test firings. Some have both. You think grok is going to know how many seconds of test firings some Soviet 1960's engines had before it launched or some shit?
>>16832354>I'm still going to keep insisting that Raptor 3 has flown and you can't stop me!We can't, but you should.
>>16832192
>>16832347>Why would I want to not be wrong?
>>16832193no it doesn'tSpaceX will have both the best and the second best rocket in the world forever
>>16832347>why the fuck would I waste hours checking on something that takes a minute or two with a LLM?Faustian Spirit
>>16832360The whole SpaceX plan is to EOL F9 after/if Starship becomes operational. They're all about the cost down. They'll be a one rocket company with a family of variants.Theoretically.
>>16832362wasting time isn't the faustian spirit
>>16832347Because the LLM makes shit up
I'm just here to gloat, I told you retards a single starship design for LEO, Lunar landing and fuel launches was retarded.They are going to end up being completely different vehicles with similar external dimensions so Musk can convince braindead investors it's going to have low development costs.
>>16832363Is that New Gland on film?
>>16832367My assumption is that there will always be an operational and in development rocket or a phasing in and phasing out rocket.Elon is already talking about v4
>be me>giant flagship NASA rocket>everyone hypes me up for starting the next era in US spaceflight>design changes every year until engineers agree on a bullshit underperforming design>ground systems constantly redesigned>costs spiral out of control but can’t cancel me because i make jobs or something>first launch keeps getting delayed because of technical stuff>finally roll out to pad>scrubbed *again* for months because of a valve>try again a few weeks later>anotherleak.jpg>nobody cares, just send it>pointless demo mission accomplished>years later heatshield risks astronaut lives>be SLS>pic unrelated
>>16832379>everyone hypes me up for starting the next era in US spaceflight>shittle derivedNo one expected a hydrolox first stage to be great except shuttle contractors that keep getting paid.
https://x.com/AJ_FI/status/1984233205457911966>Shenzhou-21 is launching from Jiuquan at 1544 UTC today (11:44 am Eastern) with astronauts Zhang Lu, Wu Fei and Zhang Hongzhang heading to Tiangong space station.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj8oB84Twkk
>Venus doesn't have any water, just trust me broSo why is the planet covered in white clouds then?
>>16832387poorly run? how much should it be thenthey are building a lot of infrastructure
>>16832388Anon loves troll posts so much he spends hours on twitter looking for the worst to repost here
>>16832393the dude in that post works for lockheed martin, hates musk and has done these "debunking" style videos of almost each starship flighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiF2Jr50zOk
>>16832379
Uh oh
the SLS is legitimate in so far as it's a bargaining chip for dealing with elon.obviously spaceX makes better rokets, and has been for a while now.having their own rocket to fall back on means that elon can't charge whatever he wants for future missions.remember when he got mad at trump over the epstein thing and threatened to leave those astronauts on the ISS?that's what he does when you're crew draggin your feet developing a system that works.most of the time spaceX's shit is really good though.
>>16832396It must be miserable to live like this. They're constantly trying to exist in a superimposed state of never caring about the thing they're always posting about. The only people who can center their entire lives around something they hate are bitter shrews that have no soul.
>>16832400SLS isn't something you can fall back on, its basically useless for anything other than being a jobs programyou need actually something workable for a real bargaining chip, like another company that has some cadence
>>16832400SLS and Starship are both trash, Starship could be saved by ditching second stage reuse so the header tanks can be removed and it can have a normal fairing instead of the useless slot.
>>16832402>trannysky
>>16832405you're retarded
>>16832400>remember when he got mad at trump over the epstein thing and threatened to leave those astronauts on the ISS?I remember the opposite. With Trump threatening to cancel SpaceX contracts and Elon taking those as matter of fact and cancelling Dragon
>>16832407>we made a super heavy lift but can't launch conventional payloads because we made the same mistake as the shuttleExplain why I'm wrong.
>>16832387>блycкийopinion disregarded
>>16832410what's a "conventional" payload, and why wouldn't the shuttle or spaceship be able to launch it?
>>16832410a conventional generic cargo starship hasn't been seenif that requires moving the tanks away from the nosecone, then they will do that
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984250349436416234TOTAL SLS DEATH
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984249048107508061
>>16832414One designed to go into a fairing and can be paired with a kick stage inside that fairing if required.>>16832415The header tanks have to be at the top for CG control during the belly flop, move the tanks and you lose reuse.Given how many penalties second stage reuse applies and the history of shuttle refurb I just don't see it being worth while. Sure you can use 3 or 4 standardized tiles and get economies of scale to reduce refurb costs but as soon as it required header tanks it became a massive drawback.Maybe they can come up with a different second stage with the center of pressure moved further aft but as it stands it doesn't look good.
>>16832423SLS is really starting to feel like the N-1 in 1968. It's technologically suspect and all of the politically influential people who supported it in the beginning are gone, but it keeps staggering onwards on inertia alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCJyKadETRoCrew are all onboard, T-2:00:00
Member $20 epic bacon?
>>16832425>One designed to go into a fairing and can be paired with a kick stage inside that fairing if required.I've done that dozens of times with in-line cargo bays in ksp, clearly this is a skill issue.just push the payload out sideways so it's parallel with the launch sytem and fire the booster.or simply angle it if you're in a videogame where aiming thrusters at your launch system is not a concern.
>>16832425>The header tanks have to be at the top for CG control during the belly flop, move the tanks and you lose reuse.this is some kind of law of nature? lol please, assuming that the header tanks are even a problem for a conventional payloadyou just keep making these unfounded assumptions and then run with it
>>16832424How did the idea of data centers in space even start? Did someone say "solar panels are 4 times as efficent so it's worth 100x the construction cost"?>>16832432>in KSPPlease be joking, it's a great game and realism overhaul makes it a decent orbital sim but it doesn't have finite element analysis.>>16832433>this is some kind of law of nature?Yeah, if you need weight at the top you can't have a light weight top.
>>16832423I want them to land the first time as a test, and then robots come out and build a landing pad 100m away so that they can land the next time with full thrusters.
>>16832436>How did the idea of data centers in space even start?Remember solar freaking roadways? Probably something like that."We can do it IN SPAAAAACE!"
SLS and Starship engineers hate each other[0] when they should really settle their differences, compromise, and work together for the good of the country.[0] both see the other vehicle as impeding America's capabilities
>>16832441No, it's because space doesn't have NIMBYS that whine about power, water and pollution
>>16832436It's the same thing as space-based solar power. A lot of people wanted to build terrestrial datacenters but then saw just how much regulation and compliance bullshit was involved in doing that. Then they saw that almost none of that bureaucracy tithe was applicable to space-based projects, making those unnaturally economically competitive.
>>16832447astroonomers will complain real quick about blocking their view
>>16832448Space based solar still requires a lot of extra infrastructure on earth to receive that powerData center do not (relatively speaking)
>>1683245040k starlinks +40k compute hosting satellites with high speed inter-satellite lasers
>>16831765Is he retarded? Starliner can't get astronauts to the space station and bring them back and he wants them to build a moon lander.
>>16832424But the expert space engineers in /sfg/ insisted space servers are impossible. Because radiators.
>>16832451Space based solar was a viable idea when you combine the amount of regulation pilled onto nuclear power with the oil embargo energy crisis of the late 70s. Like with space data centers the conditions that made it attractive were all political creations.
>>16832443>what's the issue with in-line bays for cargo with a boosterIf you have massive doors like the shuttle you need to strengthen the spine increasing weight, if you have small doors you have a heavy lift that can only launch small payloads.>do non-reusable fairings do a better job at holding the little sensitive bits of the payload in place during the launchAny dropped fairing reuseable or not gets a decent chunk of mass staged off the rocket about 1/3rd of the way to orbit increasing deltaV and also drastically increasing payload to high energy orbits if you stick a kick stage in there. With fairings you can also fire the kick as soon as the second stage burns out increasing the Oberth effect.>>16832447>>16832448>space is easier than buying politicians to let you do whatever you wantDoubt.>>16832458Not impossible just not economically viable, cap this post so you can mock me when 1% of global compute is in LEO, my best guess would be about the time our 20th O'Neill cylinder goes up ie. 200+ years from now.
>>16832464That cargo door on HLS looks about shuttle sized.
>>16832436there are other ways to change the center of gravity IF that is truly the only way to do thisfor some reason you just assume this is the only way, it won't work and there is no way to fix it if it truly doesn't workall of these assumptions are unsubstianted BS
>>16831871This is like crossing the Atlantic on a rowboat, then when you reach the shore you transfer to a yacht to dock at a pier
>>16832465Yes and shuttle was second stage reuse, bay doored and shit.>>16832467For aerodynamic stability you need to have the center of pressure behind the center of mass, you can do this how the shuttle did by using large delta wings to push the CoP back or like Starship by bringing the CoM forward.The fact I have to explain this in /sfg/ makes me realize how /pol/brained this whole site has gotten over the last decade.
>>16832464Space isn't easier; that's the problem. People will suck a bunch of VC types dry because right now it looks like space datacenters are the more economical option, but building multi-kilometer arrays in space has a energy cost set by physics and something like starship can only do so much to get around that. Getting rid of political obstacles is much cheaper and will become fairly straightforward once there's a political incentive to do so (not get lapped by China in the datacenter race). But until then people are going to keep promoting the idea and they won't be entirely wrong in their arguments.
>>16832473yes, and there are many ways to affect the center of pressure and massyou seem to think that the only option is either have the tanks at the nose or not and thats fucking itnothing else they can do
>>16832476So the engineers at SpaceX were faced with this problem and the answer was header tanks despite all the drawbacks, what is your better answer?
>>16832477the header tanks were a solution for a starlink dispenser/tanker, like I initially said the conventional ship could be very differentjust like the depot and HLS areyou live in a box
https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/1984247953763295458>Soyuz-2.1a rocket for Soyuz MS-28 mission was assembled at Baikonur.
>>16832480>you live in a boxYes, know physics.
>>16832399spacex is probably one of many winners right? even if they arent building the sats they're going to get the contract to launch them because there's no other option. but if they are involved in sat production then they are probably one of multiple vendors who will have to work together.
>>16832481>>16832484She's old but I do love the R7 family.
>>16832399>>16832488SpaceX gets $100M deal.Lockheed get $500M deal.Amazon gets $1B deal.Headline: "MUSK SET TO WIN GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES!!!"
>>16832473>For aerodynamic stability you need to have the center of pressure behind the center of mass, Stable aircraft have been succeeded by modern unstable aircraft managed by computerized flight controls for over half a century. Get with the times.
>>16832458>spacex is going to be building data centers in spacewell i guess if anyone can figure it out its spacex
>>16832489She's got a bigger upper stage, modernized engines, and a digital flight computer, but she's fundamentally still the same rocket that launched Sputnik and Gagarin.
>>16832458I do like the idea of solar powered AI datacenters in orbit, but it won't be an easy venture. Doesn't mean that it should be done, I just don't think this will happen soon.
>>16832493>relaxed stability through control surfaces during reentery>>16832496It's funny that the soviets making a huge ICBM due to heavier warheads lead to a LV perfectly sized to be upgraded and used for half a century.I kind of wish the claps had kept playing with the Titan.
>>16832499Maybe you should do some reading on how Shuttled managed flight control on reentry. Bonus Round: Managing flight control with a shifted CG after payload deployment.
>>16832358why
>>16832503The statically stable shuttle with the CoP pushed aft by the huge delta wings?
>>16832399>Elon Musk's SpaceXhaha, they always say it this way when it's a hit piece.
>>16832507They always do when it's a private company with a majority stakeholder.https://gizmodo.com/nasa-may-let-bezos-do-what-musk-is-struggling-to-deliver-land-astronauts-on-the-moon-2000678930
>>16832509When it's about a 'success' that is difficult to ignore, like Demo-2 or the chopsticks capture, they simply call it SpaceX.
>>16832428T-60:00
>>16832512To be fair the largest donor to the presidents campaign getting government contracts should be news, I just think it should always be news if it's Bloomberg getting contracts from Biden or Musk getting contracts from Trump.We are reaching thirdie levels of corruption and everyone is fine with it.
>>16832513WTF THERE ARE WHITE PIXELS AT TOP RIGHT?!?!? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU
>>16832436My pet theory is that the whole datacenters-in-space thing is a way to raise Blue origin/Spacex stock prices by skimming on the AI craze.>>16832458No way that they are impossible, but you would have to radiate a lot of heat--which is the main hurdle. The upside would be plenty of energy and free real estate. A quick search tells me that the ISS generates 240 kW in the sunlight (or 84~120 kW average) with 20 year old solar panels and a 1,000 square feet datacenter consumes 10~50 kW. And you have to radiate all that.
>>16832519It's where the CCP hides their zero-click malware, don't hover your cursor over it!
>>16832520>Spacex stock pricesit's privately traded, the stock price is irrelevant
>>16832520>>16832522they still benefit from this effect
>>16832520>skimming on the AI crazeMakes sense.>>16832522While it isn't strickly "stock price" building hype helps him trade less of SpaceX for more VC.
Ars finally got an HLS article up. Unfortunately, by their "Actually I hate Elon too" space reporter:https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/as-pressure-mounts-spacex-insists-starship-is-fastest-path-to-moon-landing/
>>16832520You can do distributed compute constellations using starlink as the network backbone. making your data center one big satellite is retarded. more complexity, single point of failure, more vulnerable to space debris, etc
>>16832527Of course he had to use the word 'delays' in the title, of course.
>>16832494what musk is describing sounds like non-monolithicaccording to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink#v2_(initial_deployment) (the source is some FCC filing from 2022 in a table, scroll down) the solar panel area is 256.94 m^2 for a V2 (in 2022 bound for starship) which I guess is v3 in the pic from eyeballing the sizes roughly i.e. 8.1m x1 panel, 12.8m x 2 panels and 20.2m x 2 panels on the wikipedia tablethe 256.94 m^2 of solar panel area translates to about 71kW according to grok and LLM inference focused data centers are in the 50-60MW range, i.e. you would need about 1k V3 sized satellites to have roughly the same power as a big ground based data center, assuming the overheads for power etc are similarthen if you need a similar area for heat rejection, you would need roughly 2x the mass so can launch half as many compute-links or whatever vs v3 starlinks with starshipa 50-60MW data center is about 1.5bil with one third of that in chips, so launching 1k satellites would have to cost on the order of 1bil to manufacture and launch, which translates to 1mil per satellitecurrently manucturing + launching v2minis is about 1-1.5 mil in total with F9, launch is about half of that cost (lets say 700k), those are about 1 tonne each, a v3 is about 2 tonnes and the compute-links would be about double that again due to radiators, so with F9 would be around 3mil just to launchso if Starship can bring costs down 5-10x of F9, then maybe a compute-link could be competitive with a ground based data center (with massive handwaving)
>>16832528Putting data centers in space is retarded, even when orbital construction is common it'll still make more sense to leave the heavy compute on earth and just transmit the results to LEO.
>>16832520And we explained to you last time why ISS is not applicable to Starserver.
>>16832528Yeah, I was pondering that during lunch, would also save on assembling costs.>>16832535Been away from two weeks, so I'm not sure when was the last time this was debated (and I've never argued about it anywhere anyway). I just used the ISS as an example of how much power you can generate in space for a given size/weight.
Okay where is this joke coming from? Did an alligator really get blasted out of the flame trench in Florida?Or are BOfags just trying to be cute and astroturf a new esoteric in-joke
>>16832538it saves on way more than that. you don't have to worry about your data center becoming obsolete and you also don't have to worry about over/underbuilding because you can just scale with demand
Happy Halloween, /sfg/!
>>16832428T-15:00
>>16832544>I just realized that today is Halloween thanks to esefgeehuh, i don't know how sad that is.
>>16832546Chinese launch infrastructure looks so chinky
>>16832548Didn't you pick up any candy for trick-or-treaters?
>>16832527Musk gave his ultimatum now that they're cancelling the contracts.>Go SpaceX or go with National TeamSpaceX will build out a city of their own regardless and shit on NASA if they arent chosen
Pad b is a long way away, but still, I spehs
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984281903948775934
>>16832554I predict it will take them 2 years to rebuild the Pad B. Its impossible for them to build it faster
>>16832554lol this pic is like 6months old
>>16832555Alpha Beta the only choice
>>16832555Tycho Under
Things are falling off!
>>16832555Audacity-chads, we won
>>16832555>End Evour>Ad Venture>Odis Ayyy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXj4MFQmwvE
>>16832565kino!it sounds like China has added microphones to all their stages. Heard all the engines shut down before jettison.
>>16832565I knew it all along that moon was just a projection
>>16832555Minis Ithil, or generally just call it Ithilien.Moon Base Alpha is cool, but it sort of just evokes “international space station,” not an establishment/city intended to grow and house thousands one day
>>16832570partnership with nvidia to put compute on starlink sats
https://x.com/lrocket/status/1740872017371673026reminder for the doomers
>>16832573Elon "one way" MuskLuckily all this will be solved with alien antigravity tech (assuming they let us use it.)
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1984288194964398228>S/C Sep. Arrival at the Chinese Space Station in 3.5 hours.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/elon-musks-spacex-set-to-win-2-billion-pentagon-satellite-deal-c0a51325>SpaceX is set to receive $2 billion to develop satellites that can track missiles and aircraft under President Trump’s Golden Dome project, people familiar with the matter said.
>>16832573Is that the same Tom Mueller that is planning to use Terran R instead of Starship for his Mars mission?https://spacenews.com/impulse-and-relativity-announce-proposal-for-joint-mars-landing-mission/
>>16832589>they anticipate launching as soon as the late 2024 window for missions from Earth to Mars.LOLI doubt relativity will exist in 5 years. No payloads no launch heritage except for one shitty 3d printed test vehicle which proved 3d printing is a meme. Dead company.
You were warned they were Aliums. But did you listen? Oh nooooo!
>>16832554Pad A will look like this in Spring
>>16832592The window is from 2024 to 2029 so they have a few more years before they miss it.https://web.archive.org/web/20110902234053/http://www.marketwatch.com/video/asset/elon-musk-ill-put-a-man-on-mars-in-10-years-2011-04-22/CCF1FC62-BB0D-4561-938C-DF0DEFAD15BA
>>16832594why would they arrive in a fucking comet when they have mach 250 tic tacs
>>16832594You were told to take your meds. But did you listen? Oh nooooo!
>>16832589his system is launch system agnostic, so I don't see the problem
>>16832589>>16832604i.e. this is like OpenAI making deals to buy chips from AMD to try to diversify their supply chain being dependent on a singular company is not good however good they are, you are in a weak position in that relationship
>>16832573lol I was right, we gaaaan
>>16832594Would be bretty cool if true, I hope it slows down and aims right at us just so everybody panics. That'd be funny to me.
>>16832608Why do you think he left?Elon cancelled ISRU propellant production in favor of one way trips.
>>16832613or he finished the meat of the project and got bored with iterating on it
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303647241441296>To be clear, [Bridenstine] is a paid lobbyist
>>16832613any source for that wild claim? also, the only thing that mentions anything about the whole 'one way' trip is that ambiguous tweet by that jap astronaut some days ago.
>>16832613You're still going to want to ISRU water even if you don't want to make propellant at first.
>>16832615https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303647241441296>Like many Americans, we are thankful for Mr. Bridenstine’s service leading NASA at one point. He deserves credit for spearheading the creation of the Artemis Program. >After departing NASA, he created a lobbying firm called the Artemis Group, representing a host of aerospace companies vying for NASA businesshttps://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303650441736422>Mr. Bridenstine’s current campaign against Starship is either misguided or intentionally misleading. >SpaceX was selected to design and develop a Human Landing System for Artemis along with Blue Origin and Dynetics during Mr. Bridenstine's tenure as NASA Administratorhttps://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303653746839890>Starship was then selected by NASA for the Artemis III mission through fair and open competition after being identified as the best and lowest risk technical option – and the lowest price by a wide margin – by the civil servant team appointed to lead the agency’s exploration mission by Mr. Bridenstine himselfhttps://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303656557027475>The decision to select Starship was confirmed repeatedly following protest and litigation from the companies not selected which delayed the start of work on the contract for many monthshttps://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303662903279849>Mr. Bridenstine’s recent musings promoting a new landing system – going so far as to invoke the Defense Production Act – are being misreported as though they were the unbiased thoughts of a former NASA Administrator. They are not. >To be clear, he is a paid lobbyist. He is representing his clients’ interests, and his comments should be seen for what they are – a paid lobbyist’s effort to secure billions more in government funding for his clients who are already years late and billions of dollars overbudget.
>>16832615both jeff foust and stephen clark failing to mention this critical fact has been pretty offputtingmakes you think
>>16832615Big Jim’s scummy fall from grace is so unfortunate
>>16832617Yeah but it's nothing in comparison.If you do a Starship architecture with return the propellant production totally dominates your power budget and industrial capacity.It's always been unrealistic.You might do some returns but the number will always have to be way below the arrivals.
>SpaceX Starlink v3 (v4, v5... expected in future)>SpaceX km wide data centers in space by scaling Starlink satsWell the debate is over. SpaceX won over chuds who wanted to debate.
>>16832625viasat and then this Doing anything for money.
>>16832629selling his clout as a former NASA admin to the highest bidder
Space "ecnonomy" isn't real nobody is going to the moon or mars.All space is is defense you should be making missiles or golden dome and get over your interplanetary faggot fantasies.Stop wasting taxpayer and pension fund money
>>16832424>>16832570https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/elon-musk-on-data-centers-in-orbit-spacex-will-be-doing-this/
>>16832329>magic panels that you put on the ground and give you free energy make me sooo mad
SpaceX ain't playing round no mo'
>>16832634>misinterpreting elon's terminal longtermismhe is thinking about kardashev scale. there is not actually any near term space compute application that makes money so they won't do it.
>>16832634
>>16832619The question is what does Bridenstine have to gain by being a paid ULA shill.
>>16832643Money you fucking idiot.
>>16832643its his job now
>>16832632Yoir silence on this speaks louder than a thousand words.It's time to let go and focus on defense and things that actually matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4wBUysNe2k>Joe Rogan Experience #2404 - Elon MuskMusk on Rogan again, I think this is the fifth time? not sure
>>16832565damn they missed
>>16832652hey @grug, give me a 10 point tl;dw
>>16832652That roided lazy fuck doesn't put topic timestamps into his shit.
What’s Bill Nelson up to now? Essentially retired?
>>16832652
>>16832660
>>16832652Why is he laughing so much?
>>16832662Edibles? I don't do drugs so wouldn't know.
>>16832661
>>16832656if image is correct then it seems like the space topics are between 00:15-00:36
>>16832662>has never seen elon talk once in his lifegbtx
>>16831785Needs to look even more like the NX-01 bridge from ENT
>>16832615https://x.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1984310490298826907apparently they sent this out as emails as well
>>16832562but at what cost?
>>16832573fuck yesI voted for this
>>16832599I didn't know the aliens had photoshopthis changes everything
>>16832672>audacity got a new logowtf, i might kill myself now
>>16832671based call out that rat
>>16832658Are you kidding? It's Halloween. He's making fat stacks of cash scaring kids
>>16832632
We found him. The enoughmuskspam mod. The ultimate musk hater.https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/31/business/elon-musk-aaron-greenspan-tech.html
>>16832682There's many of these lolcows.
https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1984272534498668785>SpaceX is scheduled to launch its 100th Starlink mission of the year Friday afternoon. The Halloween launch will add another 28 Starlink V2 Mini satellites into its low Earth orbit constellation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnh6CvEPJfgT-1:55:00
>>16832682>“The idealist in me is a little bit dangerous,” he said. “It’s caused me to lose money.”So he retired rich, made a lot of bad calls on the stock market, and now is a full time salt merchant on reddit desperately trying to make his poor decisions retrospectively correct
>>16832652>Elon Musk wants SGI>Elon Musks says " I mean I don't I don't I don't think anyone's ultimately going to have control over digital super intelligence um you know any more than say uh a chimp would have control over humans. Like chimps don't have control over humans. there's nothing they could do"Felon Huskies.....
>>16832692>another cheap knockoffSad!
>>16832634>>16832639https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984309877217640501replying to a post from berger posting the data center article
>>16832638but Musk specifically talked about scaling up V3might not actually be that far awaythe actual business case is muddy still though, but Musk is familiar with building data centers so maybe he did some napkin math to get into a feasible point
What's the point in these again?
>>16832707free real estate
>>16832707resoyurces
>>16832707Ugly moons will be used to construct giant O'Neills cylinders in a heliocentric orbit.
>>16832707God just had some leftover rocks and not much to do with them
Casey wrote a blog post about the Orion capsule. He madhttps://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2025/10/31/nasas-orion-space-capsule-is-flaming-garbage/
>>16832715>If you’re keeping score at home, Lockheed has been mis-engineering the side hatch for 15 years, longer than it took NASA to form, and then run all of Mercury/Gemini/Apollo to the launch of Skylab. In fact, Gemini went from first contract to first manned flight in 2.5 years, and the program was complete within five years. If Marshall Space Flight Center could design and build the original hatch in less than a year in 1959, why does it take Lockheed 15 years to make a shoddy copy of this hatch in 2025?
spacex is offshoring accounting dept to India. it's over https://www.spacex.com/careers/jobs?locations=Bangalore,%20India
>>16832682yeah that guy's a psycho fag lol. I remember years ago during model 3 hell he was pushing thethat Musk was terminally ill with cancer and his neck scar was from trying to get rid of a tumor.
>>16832721but is it for positions specific to India?the search includes some country-specific starlink positionsyou would want to hire a specialist on Indian tax law in India
>>16832725pretty much as you described
Not just Halloween, but 25 years of continuous human habitation of space today.
>>16832750https://issinrealtime.org
>>16832688https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1OdKrObLpvVGXT-4:00
I have a bad feeling about this. Don't know why.
space rats!
ghosts are fucking with the camera. spooky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6_VfR-CyuM>Elon Musk: 3 Years of X, OpenAI Lawsuit, Bill Gates, Grokipedia & The Future of Everythinganother long-form podcast from Musk, from the timestamps it doesn't look like they talk about space at all though
Another one
touchdownez
How do they do it
SpaceX
>>16832769witchcraft
by knowing its not easy and not treating it like it is
>>16832763its just debris
>>16832772I've been trying to land a booster on a barge in Kerbal for like 6 hours and the closest I got was within 600m. It really does feel like witchcraft.
>>16832776just run one mission, see where you splash down, put the barge there, and run the next mission exactly the same
>venezuela supposedly going to pop off soonwhat will the space force do in this war? it must be boring not having many adversaries that can fight you.
https://x.com/SpaceIntel101/status/1984362821535109493>Shenzhou-21 successfully docked with Tiangong space station just 3.5 hours after launch.
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2025/10/31/nasas-orion-space-capsule-is-flaming-garbage/
>>16832784they are basically signal corps with better marketing
>>16832789>One of my challenges in writing this piece is that the program is so old a lot of the primary sources are now affected by link rot, and I’ve had to resort to using Internet Archive snapshots!The Internet is dying
go big or go home
>>16832795lol I automatically read starliner as shartliner and had to double check what the picture actually said
>>16832791it's no different from losing embarrassing documents to fire and floodthe only record you can trust is the record you keep
whens the next hop
>SpaceX tweeted about Bridenstine being a lobbyist based
>>16832789until it leaves two astronauts stranded in low earth orbit for half a year, there's no way it's the worst capsule.
Is Artemis 2 likely to keep to the February 2026 timeline or will it slip
https://youtu.be/uFI5WpK2sgg
>>16832819Honestly, the fact that they even moved up the launch date from April gives me hope that it'll launch in February
>>16832619This is crazy
>>16832652Elon looks terrible. Like he aged 10 years in 1
>>16832835The joke is that their heat shield will experience severance :/
>>16832835lmao
>>16832835heh
Atlas news is being held up by the shutdown
I vant to suck your roggs
It's time to discuss Callisto.
>>16832868i don't wanna tho
>>16832835Sometimes Britt Lower is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen, other times she looks like a strip of beef jerky
>>16832868It’s a prime contender for the “next great colony” following Mars and earth’s Moon that our great grandchildren can consider. For us? Idk not much to do. A dedicated mission would be cool. But it’s only an interesting solar system body if you’re currently a geochemist or geophysicist or armchair spaceflight fan who just wants to see more missions happen
>>16832599The Atlas aliens are orksThe TicTac aliens are eldar
>>16832868>>16832875Since it's considered an "icy moon," how easy would it be to extract useful water ice once you're on the surface? Would you have to drill down to a certain depth, or could you just scrape regolith from the surface? At any rate, it is probably the best place to start a colony/research station after the moon and Mars.
>>16832879Easy to harvest, off the top of my head I think it is currently believed that Callisto's surface structure is characterized by reflective cones/spikes, essentially stalagmites, of sublimated water that re-crystallized into cones
>>16832879Nothing but ice. No metals or anything worthwhile. Those iceballs are a noob trap.
>>16832875Isn't it outside Jupiter's radiation belts too? I remember hearing that one of the big moons wasn't a radiation hell.
>>16832885>radiation hellis it even radiation hell or just LNT hyping up perfectly safe radiation levels
>>16832682Fixed
>>16832868The best Galilean for human colonisation simply for radiation purposes. seriously its like 10 times less than Ganymede. roughly the same everything else so that will be the deciding factor.
>>16832888Io will kill you in 1 minute without some sort of shielding (electrostatic or otherwise)
>>16832778It's not that easy in rocketry.
>>16832892ah ok. at least mars radiation is well within safe limits.
>>16832836Thanks anon, this is a cool idea for a fanfic.
>>16832896crop circle from 2001interesting case. 4 separate formations. worth looking into if you like this kind of thing
>>16832875>It’s a prime contender for the “next great colony” following Mars and earth’s Moonwrong. That would be Ceres. Next would come Callisto, and that's a big maybe, if humanity doesn't cuck itself and decides to settle the Asteroid Belt (Vesta, Pallas, Hygiea, etc.) first instead.
>>16832900
>>16832836We didn't receive that lol
>>16832905it's a crop circle from 2001was accompanied by an image of the supposed alien radio telescope as well as a picture of a face. Was it a hoax? who knows, It's still a cool premise. There was also a followup in 2002 which had a rather spooky message about bearers of "false gifts" you may have seen that one before
>>16832643>>16832646It's more than moneyIDK if this is gonna hit as "i'm 15 and this is deep" type shit but Elon truly is ruining a good thing.Bridenstine is representing companies that can only run off of prestige and the privilege afforded. That privilege being a slow paced, corporate, office based development environment. NASA and the US Govt basically cannot question timelines and cost because no one else but a few select companies can build shit and they all operate this way.Elon is fucking this all up. SpaceX work culture is outright grueling both for workers and engineers and this culture kicks you out should you fall behind. The old space workforce who are actually pretty old cannot compete with this energy and development structure. SpaceX was given a pretty good pass in the falcon era because an RP1/LOX rocket that took cargo and people to the ISS is something the Russians could do. The deck was stacked and it almost didn't happen but everyone was generally on their best behavior.Now that SpaceX does seem to be making headway with Bridenstine and co knowing full well how far in development HLS is, this is the last time a company like Lockheed can get a chance to take the crown of going back to the moon. It's the only way relevance can be kept.If SpaceX with a bunch of retarded newgrads can do literally everything cheaper and quicker then there is no point of passing anything off to heritage companies
>>16832890gerstmaxxing
>>16832907it would be such a dickmove of real aliens to respond to our message with a picture of how we imagine fake cartoon aliens inside a crop circle, which is how we make fake alien hoaxes.maybe SETI should do that to another alien species if they ever find one.
>>16832924if there is a communication embargo that might be the only way to send a message. interstellar graffiti basically.
>>16832884Water from a shallow gravity well can still be a useful trade product if the belters can find other useful stuff.
>>16832926just use directional antennae or send it from a probe and deny that it was yours.or use something that's easier to deploy from orbit, like a laser.i don't see why crop circles would be inherently convenient or the first thing that comes to mind.
>>16832929>from a probe and deny that it was yoursread The Ophiuchi Hotline
>>16832929>just use directional antennae we would have to be actively listening for that which we aren't. everyone makes a big deal about seti but the reality is no one actually cares about SETI and we haven't been searching all that long or all that much. >send it from a probe and deny that it was yours.consider you are dealing with a civilization that is likely capable of mind reading. there is no way to hide the origin of anything you send and any non-dubious signal could be met with immediate termination by planetary protection agencies or whatever. We are approaching the technology for primitive mind reading ourselves thru machine learning algos.
>>16832933why wouldn't they be able to read your mind and punish you for going to earth and making a crop circle then?did you take off your mind reading helm while you did it?I don't see how this is a case for crop circles as a method of interplanetary communication.you can't send a radio wave or a light beam, but you can get away with going to the surface and fucking with the local flora?and SETI has been listening for almost as long as the Arecibo message has been around.it's not a universal pattern, a message structured like it would have to be a response to it.or a hoax.where would those all powerful radio forbidding aliens even come from? what's 27 light years away from earth in the direction of the Messier 13 cluster?besides earth, that's the only place where the signal went.
>>16832938>why wouldn't they be able to read your mind and punish you for going to earth and making a crop circle thenambiguous signals are less severe infractions than definitive ones. you don't execute people for minor offenses. >you can't send a radio wave or a light beam, but you can get away with going to the surface and fucking with the local flora?see above. It's very clearly a difference in severity. if you were to outright contact a civilization and breach the prime directive that is grounds for severe punishment. fucking up some plants in a funny way is far more ambiguous. >where would those all powerful radio forbidding aliens even come from?Either they exist and they are here or they don't. no in between. they have had plenty of time to find earth using their telescopes. Earth has been visibly habitable for over 2B years.they would be aware of the signal because they were here when it was sent.
>>16832905Yes, we did, right after Halley's Comet crashing on Luna.
>>16832942these are a lot of assumptions about a very specific kind of civilization with particular rules tailor-made to making the arecibo answer seem plausible.what if interstellar travel just isn't that attractive?would you want to be the first to settle an uninhabited planet with god knows what kind of aliens on it and no existing culture to enjoy and take part in besides the one you bring on the colony ship, which will be inherently inferior to the one you left behind?FTL isn't real for the same reason perpetual motion machines aren't. they do not have it and never will. same goes for ftl communication.if you leave your home star, all that's left of everyone you ever knew is an irc chat with a ping of 200 years.If i had the choice between exploring some random fuckass planet in the middle of nowhere or NEETing it up in my post scarcity orbital habitat around my home star, i know what i'd pick.
we need to nuke the aliens before they nuke us
>>16832946>what if interstellar travel just isn't that attractive?not a universal trait. if there is any difference in individual members of an intelligent race then there *will* be some of them that want to do interstellar travel. See: this fucking thread. Even more true when dealing with civilizations numbering in the trillions or more individuals.>FTL isn't real for the same reason perpetual motion machines aren't.assumption>they do not have it and never will. same goes for ftl communication.assumption>if you leave your home star, all that's left of everyone you ever knew is an irc chat with a ping of 200 years.not universal. some might not care.
>>16832931Aaaand into my to-be-read list it goes
>>16832948if ftl communication or travel is not impossible, then why don't I know how to do it?it violates causality by allowing messages to be sent back through time.if anyone ever invented it, there would have to be at least ONE who would broadcast it through the entirety of the universe (not just the observable universe, since observability is a consequence of the limited speed of light).who cares if there are laws against it, not everyone is a rational actor.there is no FTL because there hasn't always been FTL everywhere since the beginning of time.
>>16832951>if ftl communication or travel is not impossible, then why don't I know how to do it?average /sfg/ poster
would assembling a dedicated lunar trip spacecraft in orbit via starship drop-off a better move or no?
>Flight software is highly non-trivial. That’s why Boeing outsourced their Starliner software to a sub-sub-sub-contractor in India and then acted surprised when their capsule failed in flight three times in a row. Wheres the post where an anon speculates the time set in the Starliner capsule was for Indian time zones due to the maneuvers being performed earlier than expected on the first test flight, may be true lmao
>>16832955If SX can launch Starships fast enough, or at the very least figure out a simplified refilling process or depot process, then the wager should be on Starship itself being the better option. If you're doing any orbital assembly shit you would probably have an easier time justifying doing it with FH or new glenn or perhaps Vulcan
>>16832948>not a universal trait. if there is any difference in individual members of an intelligent race then there *will* be some of them that want to do interstellar travel. See: this fucking thread. Even more true when dealing with civilizations numbering in the trillions or more individuals.also, what if one of the infinite amount of aliens is suicidal and just doesn't care about being punished for violating the prime directive?the ol' reliable noose and stool won't work in microgravity, after all.shouldn't we be drowning in superluminal signals directly interfering with our brain waves from schizophrenic glorpians before a single one arrives here? please don't tell me you've been talking to them.
>>16832959Ftl doesnt need to violate causality idiot.>BUT WHAT IF SOMEONE BREACHES PROTOCOL There is an associated time horizon for such events. One could have happened in the past and we might not even know it. Great way to bury evidence of your existence is kill everyone involved and force humanity to start over from scratch. All that would be left is myths and legends.
>>16832964When is it launching and will there be an associated blue origin bike booty
>>16832789The milking going on is outright criminal.
>>16832947if there are aliens we've never met them. size of the galaxy and the distances involved.
>>16832970>muh distancesFtl is real
Why are they bringing in so many cyber trucks to starbase?https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1984344898242498942
>>16832963>Ftl doesnt need to violate causalitywhich of the following two statements do you disagree with and why?>FTL implies time travel>time travel violates causalitythe only argument i've seen against the latter would be, that time travel only goes back to the point when it was already invented and no earlier for some reason, but universal FTL travel (of either mass or information) would either not obey that restriction, or have an exploitable weakness based around that.if ftl travel was real i'd travel back to the big bang and tell the great creator to fix his shit.
>>16832978warp drives do not violate causality. t
>>16832965Pretty unlikely desu
>>16832979nuh uh
>>16832978Going from point A to point B quicker than light can is not time travel.
>>16832990the speed of light is not just a limit to light or mass, or signals, but all universal forces and causality itself.if you outrun the speed of light, you outrun causality.you could take the next step and pretend that all the observations pointing towards that are false as well, and that there is a fifth force of the universe that travels instantaneously to uphold causality somehow, but i don't understand why falling for some hick's crop circle prank in 2001 would put you on such a path.
>>16832998Starship tower catching is essentially aerobirthing if you think about it
>>16832996That was my first post. I'm just saying speed of light isn't absolute.
>>16833002i don't see what would make you say that, when every single thing enforcing causality is moving at the speed of light whenever it has been observed thus far.spacetime isn't just a theory, that may be discarded without a trace. It can be observed and needs to be accounted for in communication to and from probes within the solar system.and just to be clear, by speed of light i mean The Speed of Light, not the speed of light in a medium that slows down photons specifically, which does exist.I agree, that you could outrun such slowed light without violating causality, but that wasn't what the conversation was about.
>>16832998We nened to have more angled solar panel designs
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1984449693146103940>Mengzhou manned ship (No man onboard with the first one ) plan to launch by CZ-10A at Wenchang LC next year to dock with CSS.>2026年将组织实施天舟十号、神舟二十二号、神舟 二 十 三 号 、梦 舟 一 号 等 4 次飞行 任 务, 中 国 载 人 航 天 工 程办 公 室 现启动年度飞行任务标识征集 活动。>In 2026, four flight missions such as Tianzhou 10, Shenzhou 22, Shenzhou 23, and Mengzhou 1 will be organized and implemented. The China Manned Aerospace Engineering Office is now launching an annual mission identification collection activity.https://x.com/SegerYU/status/1984447143927824490>3. Mengzhou-1 mission>1.Launch location: Wenchang Spaceport>2.Docking method: The Mengzhou-1 manned spacecraft (codenamed MZ-1, unmanned state) is docked to the radial port of the core module after launch.>3.Main tasks: For the first time, the Long March 10A launch vehicle (codenamed CZ-10A) was used to launch the Mengzhou-1 manned spacecraft, carry out unmanned flight tests, and complete the first flight of the Mengzhou manned spacecraft. The Mengzhou manned spacecraft is a new generation of manned spacecraft fully upgraded and developed on the basis of the Shenzhou manned spacecraft. It adopts a modular design and consists of a return module and a service module. It is used for round-trip transportation between heaven and earth on the space station.This flight test mainly verifies the working status of the whole system of the Mengzhou manned spacecraft, including environmental evaluation equipment and supplies, technical verification products and resident materials, application field test modules and research devices.
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1984453284615381397>2. Shenzhou 22 Manned Mission and Shenzhou 23 Manned Mission>1.Launch location: Jiuquan Spaceport>2.Flight crew: composed of 3 astronauts>3.Docking method: Shenzhou 22 manned spacecraft (code name SZ-22) docked to the radial port of the core module after launch; Shenzhou 23 manned spacecraft (code name SZ-23) docked to the forward port of the core module after launch.>4.Main tasks: One astronaut of the Shenzhou 22 flight crew will carry out long-term resident tests for more than one year; implement astronaut exit activities and cargo airlock exit missions; continue to carry out space science experiments and technical tests; carry out important activities such as space station platform management, astronaut security-related work, and popular science education.One of the Shenzhou 22 crew staying on Tiangong for a full year suggests that the rumored Pakistani cosmonaut will be launching with Shenzhou 23 and retuning with Shenzhou 22 after the handoff
>>16832975They have a lot of rental fleet trucks that they're replacing.
>>16832975E2E deliveries soon
>>16832975>Tesla Cybertruck sales have significantly declined, with only about 16,000 units sold in 2025, far below the expected targets. In the third quarter of 2025 alone, sales dropped by 63% compared to the previous year, leading to concerns about the vehicle's future.They've become unfashionable but are still perfectly functional, especially for a restricted use in a confined area. Tesla gets some money for leasing or selling them to SpaceX while SpaceX gets a good deal on covering their vehicle needs. It's a win-win for both companies, assuming Musk didn't put his finger on the scale on either side of the deal.
https://youtu.be/SH5FfQU-MXM?t=4978
>>16832715https://x.com/CJHandmer/status/1984445115520389505>Did you know that NASA's Orion program has spent over $30b in 20 years and still>-hasn't flown people>-has a fundamentally unsafe heat shield>-hasn't tested life support yet>-is too heavy to go to the Moon, or pretty much anywhere >Why are we putting this useless boondoggle on the critical path for the Artemis program? >1400 days until China takes the Moon.>12000 juicy words below.
>>16832920If they can't compete, they should fuck off and do something less difficultIt's as simple as thatGrifting the government for billions is bad actually, there are plenty of other new hungry companies with young hungry engineers that could use that contract money going to SLS, Orion etc for something actually usefulIn short, fuck off, retire
>>16832920>there is no pointYes, that has been established decades agoThese bloodsuckers have kept back the development of spaceflight for decades
>>16832920>then there is no point of passing anything off to heritage companiesThat's the entire reason why everything's in a rut: there ISN'T a point, and the machinery of State is being used to prevent us from moving on to better things.
https://x.com/realhomerhickam/status/1984460056054612328>Just for accuracy, Jim Bridenstine did not conceive or create Artemis, VP Mike Pence did, much to Jim’s surprise, in a speech in Huntsville in 2019. I know. I was there on both sides of the curtain. Both men went on to screw it up, Mike by a failure of staff work and due diligence with Mr. Trump who never grasped what Artemis was or its importance, and Jim by tossing away the open field Pence gave him to create an efficient workable program and instead just dusting off old plans that led directly to the present Rube Goldberg nonsense of SLS/Orion/Gateway/HLS. Also both of them were focused on how and not why. If you don’t know why, and there’s no urgency, the how is just make-work.
>>16831771
>>16832715>Lockheed was unable to internally provide any mathematical basis for the weights and balances used in its Orion Preliminary Design Review in late 2008. wat
we are about 2 years away from the first sex in space btw
>>16833105I would fuck the everliving shit out of that previous little whore
>>16831775
>>16831775did they get a blue origin engineer to design that nosecone?
hear me out.... space elevator cryogenic fuel pipeline/depot
https://spacenews.com/spacexs-dragoneye-navigation-sensor-successfully-demonstrated-on-sts-127/
>>16833118add pascal's barrel to the list of catastrophic modes of failure of a space elevator
We had Galileo to Jupiter. We had Cassini-Huygens to Saturn and Titan. When is Herschel to Uranus and Le Verrier/Galle to Neptune and Triton?
>>16833138Mike Brown to Planet 9 (he's manning it)
>>16833138Sadly they've given up giving them cool names. We're on JUICE and Europa Clipper now.
remember that infographic made by ULA or whatever old space company where they showed the cislunar economy based on their shitty rocket? 1000 people on the moon or something. wish spacex would drop something like that for the brutal mogging.
>>16833148
>>16833155thats the one
>>16833074>another 17 billion to test out heatshield redesignlmao
>>16833148I member.This one is the original, not the meme edit with all the expendable launch vehicles.
>>16833185>distributed liftwat
>>16833190Meme Drive
"Hey Hey! It's Fat Albert!"
>>16832765https://youtu.be/j6_VfR-CyuM?si=k5O3XIEz8qE3WXnr&t=5091talking about solar powered AI satellites
>>16833195>no soi face thumbnaili aint clicking that shit
>Those of us who actually pay attention know SpaceX has filed multiple patents related to cloud computing on orbit, so this move is not a surprise:>https://x.com/seti_park/status/1805947439767253104>https://x.com/seti_park/status/1972888018265731271why didnt we know about this? i thought we actually paid attention to spacex?
>Dr. Schulz and his co-authors estimate that there are different ways this “space waste”, as they call it, can affect the environment. One risk would be the radiative effects of particles in the atmosphere. They could either reflect or trap heat from the Sun, cooling or warming the atmosphere in difficult-to-discern ways."Elon's cloud of Death Satellite debris will do something -- or its direct opposite. We can't be be sure."
>>16833198We knew that we didn't need to, since space data centers are impossible due to overheating. Looking into it further would be a waste of time.
>>16833198from 2023, maybe it was thought to be so out there everyone ignored itor just one of the many applications that starship would open up
>>16833199radiators nigga
>>16833198>patents mean something is good>patents mean they're going to build it
>>16833203>impossible due to overheatingAre they, though? Sure, you'd need big radiators, but "impossible" is a stretch.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/31/science/nasa-moon-lander-spacex-blue-origin.html"Now let's see Paul Allen's Moon Lander."Absolutely no attempt to get any details from Blue or Lockheed's Team Old.
>>16833199>trannies are causing problems in spacei fucking knew it
>>16833210>Absolutely no attempt to get any details from Blue or Lockheed's Team Old.Even if they were less than perfect ("negative mass margins"), they should at least be mentioned.Always remember that you can't hate them enough.
>>16833199>pay no attention to the space rocks that enter the atmosphere every day>just look at these tiny things
>>16833199Time to test it experimentally I guess
>2 NOV - indian launch>4 NOV - ariane>6 NOV - atlas>9 NOV - new glenninteresting days ahead
>>16833215mfers on the plane thought we were getting invaded by ET
>>16833216https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/rideshare for F9 tomorrow as well
>>16833219
>*stares at u*
>>16833219thats not interesting
What happened to ZhuQue 3?
>This all-female team undertook NASA’s challenge to design, build and test a “Star Shooter” capable of attaching soft goods between old components and new components for thermal protection at the boundary between the two. >The team’s process for completing its device included many rounds of brainstorming; modeling with the program SolidWorks; 3D printing component parts to test them; ordering food someone else paid for, taking selfies and calling the other girls bitches when they were out of the room.
>>16833224When are we going to collectively realise women are less capable than men and stop giving them these silly pretend jobs to make them think they are doing something productive?
>>16833224Glad to hear they re-invented the sewing machine
>>16833224>double ultrawide curved monitors at every deskwhat fresh hell have they unleashed?
>>16833230It's futuristic
>>16833226Without Shotwell Spacex would no longer exist.
>>16833199Andy Tomaswick is not a real journalist, and should not be treated as one.
>>16832786the chinks have laser weaponry, are they attacking the iss?
>>16833250
>>16833251>>16833250This thing is gonna tip the fuck over
>>16833251>astronauts puking their guts out
when do we find out the crew of artemis 3 anyway? we've known about artemis 2 since forever.
>>16833251>Shoves moon dirt straight up the jacksey.Oh, they're not coming back.
>>16833254Jared Isaacman
>>16833254NASA will announce the crew for Artemis 3 after the funeral for the crew of Artemis 2.
>>16833223likely delayed due to the ZhuQue-2E failure. They share a lot of systems, including the one that failed.
>>16833223Nothing? There is wet dress rehearsal and static fire ahead. Then some more dicking around.
Wait, SSTO just fucking sucks? Like, period, no matter what?
>>16832652He’s growing more chinese by the day!
>>16833198WOW ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT 5 THREADS AGO
>>16833265Yes. You seem surprised?
>>16833281I never looked closely at it, so I naively assumed "well if some people still like it then there must be something good about it" and not "if you could do SSTO it would still be better to use those same technologies for TSTO".
>>16832677>>16832562reminder to use a fork like darkAudacity, regular Audacity is spyware now
>>16833265Chemical rockets inherently suck. More news at eleven.
>>16833265The tyranny of the rocket equation. There was the argument that SSTO space planes could reduce costs but it died and was buried once reusable rockets were perfected.
>>16833283The cold tyranny of the basic Rocket Equation. There's a reason chemists kept looking at wildly exotic fuels to get that last nudge of ISP to increase the payload mass fraction.
>>16833291>Two independent and sequential posts mentioning "the tyranny of the Rocket Equation".Spooky. Also, Jinx you owe me a Coke.
>>16833283>>16833295surely rotating detonation engines will save us
Nothing has happened in so long I tunned out of the Space Race.Has Blue Moon Mk. 1 left yet? Did it explode.Has Starship managed to go past suborbital flight yet?Where is Artemis 2 in development?China?
>>16833306its been like a week since the previous starship flight
>>16833306get back under the rock you crawled out of
>>16832715>>16833074https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984618959283581278
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984630006174384135
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984630963239076131
>>16832424>>16832570https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984635767931748683
>>16833310Where it went to Orbit? That would be pretty big if true.
https://x.com/dfuji1/status/1984025968437293284>Last night, a lunar impact flash appeared on the night side of the first quarter moon! It was a flash at 20:33:13.4 on October 30, 2025 (270fps, 0.03x speed playback). Since the moon has no atmosphere, meteors cannot be seen, and it lights up at the moment a crater is formed. Based on the impact area, it may be derived from the Taurus Southern Meteor Shower or Northern Meteor Shower, which are currently at their peak.
>>16833314>>16832715>Too heavy to go to the moonThank you, man who owns a ship that needs 20 orbital refeuls to go anywhere.One rule for thee, one for me is it.
>>16833317lmao
>>16833330complete non-sequitur you disingenuous faggot
>>16833317Wanna bet he ordered the highest trim Cybertruck too instead of a $50k F-150 Lightning? Whatever it's his prerogative.
>>16833329Where do the photons come from in an impact like this? Does the impact generate enough energy to make dust particles incandescent or something?
>>16833342Wait! But Cybertruck made more money than the F-150 lightning, so it's a better car despite being less functional.
>>16833350what do you mean less functional?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984640583252787450
>>16833321what did I say? a distributed compute platform for in space assets would have demand. here we are.
>>16833354Too bad Grok fucking sucks
>>16833271Why has he never impregnated a woman that's not white or Jewish, maybe he has but won't claim them. It seems like a messed opportunity to see how his genes mixes with Asian genes
>>16833354How hard is it to detect space based data centers that are in other star systems?
>>16831757SEXO
>>16832951>it violates causality by allowing messages to be sent back through time. Ftl being associated with time is just physicists being so far up their own asses they start making shit up
>>16832091highly based
>>16832133he doesn't blame anyone, he is on an endless hopium/copium cycle that closely tracks his TRT cyclein his mind, he's beating Elon to Marsvery slowly
>>16833388Gross!
>>16833251Why would it come in at a steep angle like that?
>>16832951>it violates causality by allowing messages to be sent back through time.Only in simplistic relativity
>>16833412That's mean
>>16833354b-but esefgee told me that data centers in space were a meme
>>16832527they will make a version with a cargo bay and put the cuckpod inside it and fly it to the Moon and land it there insh'Allah
Everyone is going on about Orbital compute when the reality is that we can now start to think about upgrading the decrepit DSN with a distributed V3 array in orbit
>>16832566>TRISOwhy does the nuclear establishment refuse to, you know, innovate?
>>16832951>it violates causality by allowing messages to be sent back through time.Horse shit. I've already invented FTL communications and I'm not even the first to do so.
>>16833424I'm a mean person. Mean people look gross. So I can identify grossness.
>>16832951things MOVING at FTL implies time travel, so just pick any FTL system where the central conceit isn't literally just "go faster" (all of them)
>>16833299pulse detonation is unironically THE way to do a scramjet
>>16833283well you do get diminishing returns or just splitting the thing into more stagessomewhere out there lies a planet where the optimal number of stages to orbit is one that's just not gonna be earth
/sfg/ should start a small launch companybase everything on rd triprop
>>16833344>does an impact get hot?yes>do hot things glow?yesseriously having trouble understanding what you can't understand
>>16833468>somewhere out there lies a planet where the optimal number of stages to orbit is one It's Mars
>>16833472mass drives desubeit
>>16833344what the other guy said but also objects that move fast enough will vaporise on impact along with a chunk of the impacted objectthat's why most craters are circular even though the impactors come in on a variety of angles
>>16833474/sci/ divegrass in ~15 minutes for those interested >>16833474
>>16833483anons don't actually control the players ight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuUDWb3shzk
>lunar starship ASS
>>16833488I want it to land on my face
>>16833486Nope. Ai vs Ai.
Muskbros.... our response?He's making fun of us again....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU6aJHqQKuU
fuck off
so people are honestly committed to believing that starship can't even do a 1% payload to orbit?
>>1683350530 tons take it or leave it
>>16833472>Has an atmosphere>Doesn't have the lowest gravity in our solar systemSeems inoptimal.
>>16833508V3 will be 80 tons
>>16833505I see no evidence that Starship will ever he able to take 0% of its payload to orbit
>>16833321some estimates put the cloud market around $1 trillion in annual revenue. if spacex got even 1% of that, its $10 billion a year.
>>16833509I don't like airless bodies. They're less interesting and not as cool looking. All the best planets/moons have atmospheres.
>>16833519I don't see how you liking it, has any bearing on it being optimal for 1 stage rockets.
>>16833505Saarshit has not even delivered a single payload to orbit and is likely years away at best of even delivering a tiny ass load.The entire program is hype and failure to actually deliver results
>>16833525delusional
>>16833520Sir! Sir! Can I have some of these! Surely this would be optimal for launches!
>>16833525a tiny ass loadfor a 5000 ton rocketis still 100+ tons
>>16833503Have you ever been so delusional that you called a real guy a fake version of a fictional character? If so, you might enjoy lighting toes.
Offworld colonies are a good thing for people who want to take a different evolutionary path to homo sapiens. I'm sick of being just human.
>>16833542lightning toes, even
>>16833543Genetic evolution is not meaningful at the level of the individual. Individuals don't evolve.You want something like transhumanism.
>>16833546no reason to become "trans"human.
>>16833548Okay, but you can't "evolve" either, at least in the common sense. It's a category error. You could at least theoretically castrate yourself.
>>16833503he's STILL seething about Starship? lmao, what a clown
>>16833552merging with machines is the false road. we all already have immortality we just don't know it yet
>>16831757>>16833401I miss the ass2ass
https://spacenews.com/semiconductor-startup-to-fly-payloads-on-falcon-9-boosters/Just use the booster. It's that easy
>>16833557What do antipsychotics taste like?
>>16833557>we all already have immortalitysource?
>>16833566more complex. with back to back they can hook up the lox to the lox and the methane to the methane without having to run long pipes to the ass end>>16833570consciousness transcends our reality.
>>16833251watch out for that boulder.........................
>>16833527>Saarshit has not even delivered a single payload to orbitThis is litteraly objective true
>>16832662laffter is the best medicine
>>16833210this dude has crypto-EDS he tries to hide it but its obvious especially if you hear his questions during the NASA briefings
>>16833557NTA, but I'm just waiting for humanity, or whatever our descendants are, to eventually achieve omnipotence in the far, far future. I'd be long dead of course, but they could bring me and everyone else back à la Roko's basilisk.
>>16833572>>16833557
>>16831752>Not really.like your manhood
>>16833588BEGONE FOUL MACHINE SPIRIT
>>168335151T today and its growing massively, by some estimates its the only actual thing growing at the moment in the US and without it there would be a recession (though then you could say if the hyperscalers weren't putting this much capex into data centers and AI, then they could be putting it towards something else)
>>16833572>>consciousness transcends our reality.proof?
How it started
>>16833605>by some estimates its the only actual thing growing at the moment in the USthats clearly wrong since we know spaceflight is booming
>>16833610How it's going
>>16833608die and find out what happens after
>>16833612massive improvement in both aesthetics and the lack of locksneed
>>16833613before that
>>16833611the launch industry is tiny
>>16833612this but its starship sized
>>16833614This is how it looked like in July
https://www.astronomy.com/science/did-aliens-watch-1950s-nuclear-tests-maybe-studies-say/anti-UAP bros...... what the fuck is this
>>16833620i was thinking more broadly for spaceflight to include more things than just launchers, but yeah the market is tiny compared to AI but its still a growing market
>>16833622HIDEOUS
>>16833623just plate defects pay no attention to the alien behind the curtain
>>16833622looks like some kind of bug, but also cool because its focused heavily on science and payloads unlike vast
>>16833612Ditching the inflatable module was a great decision. That sort of design is best left in the timeline where we're still forced to pack everything we launch into 4m cylinders.
sending humans to the moon or mars is baby brained bullshit in 2025.Just fucking send a robot. You don't need life support. You don't need to feed it. You don't need to take care of its shit and piss. You just put it in a rocket and send it and it can do whatever you want it to do.Putting humans on Mars or the Moon is a fruitless, pointless exercise in dick measuring, and it's already been done on the moon anyways. If the chinks want to do it themselves, who gives a fuck. I'd rather send some robots to search for minerals or collect samples to return to Earth from Mars or some shit, something that actually makes sense to do. Hell you can even just send robots with built in labs to do all the analysis for you, which we've already done with perseverance / curiosity. We are wasting so much fucking time and money designing shit for humans when it's completely unnecessary. If scientific exploration is the goal, you don't fucking need humans anymore, it's not the fucking 1950s! We have machines, robots, fuck we have AI now, just put together an autonomous robot that can think and let it do the science for us. There's no other reason to go to the moon or mars again unless we're going to suddenly develop portable fusion energy and can have an unlimited energy resource to go anywhere in the solar system and exploit resources and shit. We don't have that, so just send the fucking drones.
>>16833625And this one is from April
>>16833627plate defects ruled out actually
>>16833631>That sort of design is best left in the timeline where we're still forced to pack everything we launch into 4m cylinders.9m class inflatables are 5x the ISS internal volume. >>16833633kill yourself faggot
>>16833635NO NO NO NO IT'S PLATE DEFECTS IT'S NOT ALIENS IT'S NEVER ALIENS WAHHHH WAHHHH IT''S NOT ALIENS SCIENCEMAN TOLD ME ALIENS DONT EXIST IT'S NEVER ALIENS AHHHHHHHH
>>16833636have fun when nothing ever gets achieved and the chinks dominate space because we're so obsessed with transporting meatbags millions miles for no reason other than muh dick. Eventually everyone will realize I'm right and we will stop wasting our time and money on this bullshit and just build more advanced robots that can explore further and faster than the ones we're using now.
>>16833637ayyy lmao
>>16833634*tips hat*
>>16833649Most kino flame trench ever
>>16833253Just move the cockpit to the bottom and the fuel to the top, EZ.
>>16833623"Aliens" are human offshoots from the pre-flood era. They're looking out for us, it's all chill. Never mind the strong possibility that they caused the flood in the first place.
>>16833656>"oh look they're already on the same path we were before the flood"kek, that'd be funny
>>16833633>If scientific exploration is the goal, you don't fucking need humans anymoreIt isn't, retard. The goal is colonizing.
>>16833657>>16833656I don't buy that theory. even the nordic types may not be human but using some perceptual trickery to make people see them as human. their true form could be the tentacled chtulular from planet Zorbon and we wouldn't even know it
>>16833622Shitty science is what it is. Pic related is a part of one of the plates in question. It is fucking littered with crap, which even the team accept are mostly defects. These plates sat in cupboards for 4 decades before being digitized. And what was scanned wasn't even the original, but a copy plate, with it's own errors and defects. But sure, if you see something strange, it must be aliens.>>16833635Nope. The team would like to claim that, but they have absolutely no direct evidence that these things are real. None of these miraculous sources are detected in any other exposure. Even one taken less than an hour later.
>>16833661It's about 1000x easier to live permanently in Antactica, to build a bunch of warehouses down there to grow food and make it self sustaining than it would ever be to put humans on Mars to """colonize""" a planet where you can't breathe the air, where soils for growing crops don't exist, where the temperature is literally colder than the coldest night in antarctica on the majority of the surface most of the time, where months-long sandstorms rage across the planet, where you can't walk outside without a hermetically sealed environmental suit that is insulated to deal with the frigid temperatures, where you have basically 0 protection from solar radiation since there's no magnetic field, where the gravity is less than half that on Earth and we already see what happens to humans spending months in microgravity after they come back from the ISS. The human body is simply not capable of adapting to long term survival on Mars or space in general.It's a pointless, fruitless endeavor because some retards read too many sci-fi shitposts about people becoming "multiplanetary" and think that could be our reality. It's not. The technology doesn't exist for humans to colonize Mars. It's a stupid fucking fantasy headed by a grifting con-artist (Elon) that has zero ability to make any of his pointless promises come to fruition.
>>16833679>Even one taken less than an hour later.thats literally the whole point. they are transients
>>16833664Nah man. Earth is the only place that has developed intelligent life so far because it was the original creation of Atum. Then humans expanded the scope of the universe by asking too many questions, so it retroactively got larger and older until it ended up where we are now. Life elsewhere is either unintelligent or just started emerging from primordial soup a couple thousand years ago, depending on how the metaphysics work.
>>16833681
>>16833682Being a transient doesn't mean something disappears immediately. Supernovae and GRBs are transients, they don't fade that quickly. If you only have a single exposure it becomes difficultly to establish if a source is real, or an artifact like a cosmic ray for digital detectors or a plate defect in old data. You can only guess based on the profile of the source, and these objects don't follow the same profiles as the stars, they are narrower than the natural resolution of the image. Another warning sign.To confirm they were real transients you really need another detection of the same source.
chances of them launching the first gateway module since its already built and ready?
>>16833637yeah, it's literally never aliensthat's correctit has never been aliensit's not aliens nowit's unlikely to ever be aliens in the future
>>16833701>To confirm they were real transients you really need them to not be transient
>>16833719Not what transient means. Try reading.
>>16833656I think a reptile race that managed to escape earth before the asteroid hit sounds more reasonable.
>>16833681Thanks for the insight deepseek
Why did the Gemini capsule have so much aura compared to the CSM
is this some kind of joke?
This is just nonsensical looking and silly
>>16833748>>16833749Draw and show us what you want it to look like
>>16833752sorry I'm not paid to do shit, but I would expect it to look more like the ISS with a lot of shit all over the place not this slick soulless waste of space shit. i mean you would want things to be out in the open so that if something goes wrong you can easily fix shit without having to remove a bunch of panels and shit
>>16833749Nonsensical that it ain't bigger, you mean?
>>16833748The other day I was watching "It! The Terror from Beyond Space" and was thinking about how silly having a metal staircase in your rocket would be and yet here we are
>>16833755see but that actually looks like a real space with a bunch of shit on the walls that is obviously necessary for the ship to function. Starship looks too clean and silly, it's like it's not tested at all, it's just made up shit.They have to go through so much R&D and testing for a crew cabin to find out what the best configuration is, not just some ridiculous render. Like they need to create 1:1 scale of the interior and then test people in it for months to find out what works and what doesn't
>>16833748>the hate for physical buttons continueGIVE ME A FUCKING AC KNOBI don't want to fiddle with a touchscreen when I'm going 90 down the highway.
>>16833760they wouldn't even need ladders at all, maybe just some hand grabs so you're not flying all over the place when navigating around the ship
>>16833764>they wouldn't even need ladders at all,I'd put a drop-down Jacobs ladder just to be safe.But just handrails in normal use.
grok seems to have become somewhat unhinged
>>16833754nigga if it's full of shit when it lands on the moon, it's going to tip over.
>>16833684big if true
>>16833701explain the increased correlation between their appearance and nuclear testing days
>>16833704Launch it straight into the FUCKING LUNAR REGOLITH MOTHERFUCKERR
>>16833704why dont they repurpose it into a lunar surface base since that's what everyone wants anyway
>>16833752
>>16833782>LEBENSERHALTUNGSSYTEMEjesus christ what is wrong with this language
>>16833749In the same way Skylab is
>>16833782why isnt the seating system like that for hls?
>>16833752>>16833782
>>16833787>space shuttle was larger than a 737wtf
>>16833787https://www.humanmars.net/2019/08/cutaway-diagram-of-spacex-starship.html, here there are lots and lots of speculative designs made by enthusiasts.And this was the official interior design for ITS back in 2016, 12m in diameter, an absolute behemothhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvSLG6sIbwA
>>16833783We do the same thing in English, we just leave the spaces in for compound nouns.E.g.>massivemultiplayeronlineroleplayinggameGerman orthography kills the spaces and then acts like they're doing something special because Krauts are nuts.
>>16833701>If you only have a single exposure it becomes difficultly to establish if a source is real, or an artifact like a cosmic ray for digital detectors or a plate defect in old data.They are not visible in the shadow of the earth, indicating that the are glints of sunlight.
>>16833782>SOUR STUFF instead of OxygenThey need to quit playing around and get with the program
>>16833760>>16833762>>16833764>>16833769it's a moon lander
>>16833786same reason dragon isn't, g forces are down, hoisting yourself in and laying on your back is retarded and it makes crew entry and evac slower
https://youtu.be/mHkPHd_eOXInew kino dropped
>>16833820
>>16833820here's some real kinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpXaBVKO8r8
>>16833822greys aren't chads they are literally cuck jannies who watch people have sex and clean up puke shit and piss
>>16833649>rusting already
>>16833829dont worry reversed engineered alien supermetals will solve this
you weigh literally 10% of your normal weight on the moonwhich means you can jump 10 times as highwhy would you need a ladder
>>16833762The difference is SpaceX is installing drywall while Skylab is your typical unfinished garage
>>16833773what makes you say that?
>>16833773I always hated the name 'Grok'. Sounds grotesque, and like something straight out of the planet Vogsphere.
>>16833850inb4 'it means to drink/understand in Martian', my point still stands, sometimes Elon has bad taste.
>>16833851>>16833850read heinlien you retard
>>16833851Elon has dogshit taste period
https://spacenews.com/latvia-signs-artemis-accords/>Latvia has signed the Artemis Accords, which outline norms of behavior for safe space exploration, joining a group of now 60 countries.
SLS/Orion have burned through $100 billion so far.
>>16833748art-deco bros... when is it gonna be our chance?
>>16833853grimes_with_unibrow.jpeg
>>16833852Not him, but of course I know it's from HeinleinDoesn't stop it sounding like shit.
>>16833855Saturn V cost 60 billion (adjusted for inflation) should we have canceled that for being too expensive? Let the N1 go to our moon instead? What is more important than Space flight? Isreal and Argentina, some shitty telescope that can't even photograph dwarf planets let alone contribute anything useful about exoplanets.
>>16833861Fuck off right back to Washington DC you disingenuous faggot
>>16833704Pretty good, but did they fix the engine module?
>>16833861Saturn V went to the moon and put humans on the moon. SLS and Orion has never put a human on the moon and will NEVER put a human on the moon. Further, SLS/Orion will require another 40-50B to get the program continued through 2030.
>>16833866>Saturn V went to the moon and put humans on the moonNot without tens of billions already invested into it.
>>16833872(You)
>>16833861sir, this is the /SaturnV Fans General/ - sfg
They considered putting little SRBs on the Saturn V first stage. Imagine like 200T to LEO lmao. What a beast rocket. Shuttle was somehow worse. And SLS even more terrible
If Saturn V was so good, then where is the 3-core Saturn V Heavy?
>>16833831I can think of a few reasonsYou need to be able to build the interior, train the astronauts, and do ground check outs on earth. You can remove the ladder before flight if you want mass autism. And maybe ladders are easier for tesla optimus to climb or something.And grasping at straws, but if something really goes wrong in space, if you're missing one thing you need you're fucking dead. So let's say you somehow injure yourself or just get sick on the moon, or you're incapacitated and your crewmates need to move you up there, and you need to get to your seat. You can't just master chief jump up there or get chucked by your crewmates, and at the point bringing the ladder was worth it. Stuff like that also makes me think they need a way to climb to the ceiling hatch even though there's no reason to use it on the moon. What if it leaks or something and they need to flex seal it or die.
>>16833885you're asking too many questions.
>>16833885It's not that easy in rocketry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wScmezQZ5NAT-1:15:00
>>16833923bandwagon RTLS. this one is worth watching anons
>>16833923It seems like Haven-Demo is actually aboard this one? Vast hasn't put out any xeets but the payload deploy timeline on the SpaceX site suggests their satellite is onboard.
live>live
the collage
max-qute!
Lol insane footage
One of the best jellyfish interactions yet
How long does it take to 'safe' RTLS boosters and how do they go out and recover them?
>>16833960I defer to the range authority
did we ever figure out what Zuma was
>>16833855Pretty weak it's not Benjamins
>>16833854>Thai ladyboys on the RussianSpehsStasionNice
>>16833844Increase in emoji and calling me a retarded nigga
>>16833976Stop being retarded then
Mars before and after erosion modifier. The days of rolling hills everywhere are over.
>>16833916>get chucked by your crewmatesYou'd weigh like 12kg and the gravity arc would be much higher than on Earth, of course you could.
>>16833831~16.5%
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984868748378157312
>>16833802>They are not visible in the shadow of the earth, indicating that the are glints of sunlight.Incorrect. There are still transients in the shadow. The team claim there are less, but the statistics they use to establish whether or not it is statistically significant are inappropriate. Those statistics assume that all the events are uncorrelated and randomly poisoned, which the rest of the paper shows is false. The events cluster together, which is also expected for defects on a bad plate. This clustering means the noise is far higher than estimated. Unfortunately they did not publish their full catalog for anyone to check. >>16833777Much of the testing went on in Nevada, which is not far from the observatory at Palomar. It could be something as simple as good weather in both places on the same days, for testing and observing. But as I said, I don't really trust their statistics. They did not account for the fact that the amount of observations done each day will be different, they should have measured the rate of transients and not the total number. A general problem with the paper is that they throw out these incredible claims, and then entirely half-ass the analysis. Not only using simplistic statistics, but not going any further or doing any deeper testing.
>>16834015relax elon, there are more important things to work on than some pop sci fwocka fwocka satellite rail gun
https://youtu.be/FIONXPbIkVo?si=D7Df9bU0rs1VG4Bf&t=1526working as a subcontractor for Lockheed on Orion (so a subcontractor of a subcontractor), getting absolutely no guidance for anything at all and just told to design this particular thing by himself>I took the system from years behind to ahead in 9 months, they told me to chill out for a few years>this is supposed to take 15-20 years>we were supposedly 3 years away from launch at that point
>>16834020it really sounds like they were supposedly dragging their feet on purpose on these thingslike the engineer managers (that don't actually do any engineering) know what the con is and are in on it and when someone actually does something they get upset because the point is to drag things along as long as possible to just get money for nothingwhat an absolute fucking farce
>>16833754>sorry I'm not paid to do shitYet you take the effort of posting retarded takes here.>I would expect it to look more like the ISS with a lot of shit all over the place not this slick soulless waste of space shit.You new here? If you took as much as a glance as Dragon 2, you would have known that this would never be the case?
>>16834015Hopefully he will forget Mars.
>>16834027Looks tasty
>>16834021orion, like many locksneed white projects, is just a front to funnel money into their black projects.>"oh we are behind schedule and need another billion dollars, thanks congress :^)"
>>16834036well it sounded more like there are a lot of people that actually don't do anything at all for yearslike literally don't accomplish anything, they are simply too incompetentthen they have a rotating roster of subcontractors (like this person) that does something sometimes while there are 20 people sitting around going to meetingsso the money is going to the salaries of a massive cohort of middle managementwhen this is the competition then its actually not that surprising that SpaceX (and others) are actually doing somethingkind of amazing that lockheed achieves anything at all if that is the culture there
>>16834038If you look into contractors this isn't at all surprising. Like I said, most of these programs are meant to drag on for years or even decades because it keeps the money flowing in for the *real* projects which are all black budget off the books type stuff. I joke about alien tech but it very well could be that, or at least some kind of crazy ultra secret breakaway technology.
>>16834042sounds like cope and completely unsubstantiated
>>16834048you'll be surprised at what comes up while dredging those waters, assuming anyone allows that to happen in the first place
the fact is lockheed and similar oldspace/MC contractors don't have any magical tech they are working with in the darkwhat you see is what you get, they have become complacenet and incompetentthis is the natural end state of big bureucracies if there isn't constant creative destructionthis is why Anduril seems to have accomplished so much in so little timethey actually do things, engineers are able to talk to middle management and the structure is functional instead of completely dysfunctionalpeople who don't do anything get fired
>>16834048they just need to die and be replaced by new startups
>>16834049I'm being too pessimistic. But I strongly believe inefficiency has been cultivated so much that basically every aerospace prime is incapable of delivering more than 50% useful work to every 50% useless work and fraud, and it would not surprise me if the useless/fraud rate varied from that 50% to up to 99%.
>>16834050>contractors don't have any magical tech they are working with in the darkwhistleblowers are continuously saying otherwise.
>>16834052yes, the cost+ incentivizes this directly which probably speeds up and makes the rot even worsebut I don't think its the only reason, a big contributing factor though
>>16834053Schizos
>>16834056"Accountability" initiatives inflate bureaucrat egos while generating tons of paperwork that literally nobody will ever read ever while using up huge amounts of time to get less work done each day but the highly paid engineers and all of their middle managers need to get paid anyway so as far as the beancounters are concerned it's win/win while everyone else silently dies inside to the meaninglessness of it all.
>>16834071How are you supposed to play this without all this shit cluttering up the screen. No wonder SpaceX pushed for hiding everything in menus.
Please do the needful rocket sir
>>16834079soon
>>16834081Blue Origin poised to crush SpaceX Transporter missions.
>>16834071holy fucking SEX
>>16834076You will be able to scale and move individual UI elements and even move them to seperate screens.
>>16834071>simple gemini capsule>presumably on dev hardware>64 FPSIt's over
https://x.com/xdNiBoR/status/1984946213116932581
Staging >>16834121>>16834121>>16834121
>>16833749So are (you).
>>16833783that's only 5 letters longer than lifesupportsystemsdoes the absence of spaces confuse you that much? presumably you're american. you know how to use imperial units. you would be able to handle this as well, if you tried.
>>16834015this is the guy that seethes about space elevators btw
>>16833203Its not rocket science
