Is this board labeled "Science & Math" to emphasize the fact that although these two bad boys overlap, they are not actually from the same tribe? I wonder how often some of you forget this simple truth. Math will never be scientific because it doesn't refer to anything physically real, and anything scientific will never match the imaginary rigor of pure math because physical reality is more messy and less precise than abstract numbers or formal logic.So in the end, if you have to choose, are you a mathfag or a scifag?
math and science are essentially constantly 69'ing, so it makes sense to group them together
>>16831958the problem with defining math as not being science is trying to define anything as not being science , and thats were the autism gets you.but then I can't post history here , even though thats a science.not even stuff like paranormal stuff , even though(somehow) thier is a wierd parascience that legally exists.they could call it /nerd/ , but then isn't that just this site.I think math isn't a science so long as thier is something you could use math for that isn't a science.but is thier something like that?
"science" is the collection of knowledge generated using the scientific method (as specified by philosophers like aristotle and francis bacon), with characteristics such as:>falseability>can be used to make models that predict phenomenonsso the folowing:>physics, chemistry, math, biology, history, geographyare all sciencesbut>philosophy, theology, astrology, queer theoryare not
Math is the language of science, and science is the language of math
>>16832078>astrologydoesn't this had both of this , is just very stupid.but in theory , you could get your theory "debunked" in astrology.
>>16832098ackchually, math is the language of all abstract concepts, constructs, objects and their relations as well as properties, which includes science.Mathematics is abstracted abstraction; mathematics are the things that remain if we abstract away everything but isolated properties.Mathematics is scientific in an artifical way, meaning that its hypotheses are tested on arbitrarily true axiomes and presuppositions while not having to hold true to, for example, physical phenomena.Mathematics could be described as the art of clean, flawless thinking. Yes, I'm a mathfag.Mathematics.
>>16832059>history here , even though thats a science.It isn't though. How does history use the scientific method?Consider the fact that you'd have to have, as a lower bound, 24 hours to somehow recount the entirety of the last 24 hours from your own experience. And that's hand-waving the act of recounting. Now extrapolate to all the billions of people currently living, and we haven't even gotten to last week.So we summarize and make things tidy, and as we just keep making more of it, we keep tidying and repackaging. History's necessarily a work of "fiction", but I don't say that in a dismissive way. It's important and its study is beautiful and profound. But it's not science.
>>16832078Math is not a science. It has no interest in the scientific method. It's a set of some fundamental axioms that you choose, and some set of logic that you can also choose. And from your axioms, using your logical tools, you derive lemmas and theorems, and use these to make more lemmas and theorems. There's no empirical study or scientific method or falsification.History is also not a science >>16832317and geography? why would you use this as an example, are you in grade school? Culture/economics/politics are also not sciences (though beautiful and profound to study, like history)Also philosophy is important and closer to math than you probably realize, I'm assuming you're in grade school still.
>>16831958>Math will never be scientific because it doesn't refer to anything physically realMathematics models all the physical observations related to there being more than one thing in the universe. :^)
Mathematics is the science of patterns
Mathematics is the language of patternsVarious sciences use this language to express themselves.
