Jared Isaacman is back - editionprevious >>16834121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVeu6bq9riw
>>16837796USA USA USA USA USA USA
He doesn't know what JPL does. That alone disqualifies him for the position.
with the dems sweeping this year's elections we're going to see pushback against trump gaining momentum, which means nasa's science budget will likely be making a big fat comeback
>>16837803JPL grifts money, next
oldspace contractors have been scamming NASA for 100bil in 20 years and delivered one unmanned demo of a under-powered small capsule, which didn't even have the life support systems on board
How dangerous is this?
>>16837811So dangerous that the crew may get stuck>t.correlation = causation fag
>>16837803What does it do?
>>16837813Is that TIE fighter coming from, or heading to, Jupiter?
I just figured out how we can beat the Chinese to a moon landing.We fake it.
>>16837817kek
ACCELERATEAt this rate they'll have 16 Million subscribers bringing in $30BN in revenue per year by the time Starship launches to MarsThen on the next launch window they'll have 60 Million subscribers/$100Bn+ year in revenue
>>16837820we *need* india onboard the starlink train NOW
>>16837822it just keeps growing
>>16837822too big, dial it down.
>>16837820prices differ and growth in different countries is going to fuck up revenue predictionsstill gorllions of dollars doe
minor insignificant news
>>16837814they take dirt from the martian surface and put it into a vial, which they then leave on the martian surface
>>16837832>Kwajalein mentionedI hope that's what they name the future tropical resort crater on Mars
>>16837811I feel that NASA hasn't done cool shit like this for my entire lifetime
>>16837840helicopters on mars?monkey costumes on the iss?
>Incredible conversation on Trump Force One with Eric Trump and Trump’s new NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman.
>>16837848Jared is one weird looking dude
>>16837849"bankers" (shift4) tend to look like that
>>16837849Cool it with the anti-semitism.
joint chinese-russian station when?
>>16837855As soon as they agree on an orbital inclination
>>16837852>>16837854Wow, more antisemitism on /sfg/. I'm Jewish, how do you feel about that? Should I go kill myself?
>>16837857polar would be best
>>16837861why polar and not equatorial?equatorial launches are cheaper, and you need frequent launches, so the astronauts always have fresh chicken wings to grill.polar orbits are for spy satellites and science runs in ksp.they're not going to do polar orbit glowie shit with a country as insignificant as russia (nigeria with snow).
>>16837863russia wanted their new station to be in a polar orbit
>>16837872was that in relation to a joint chinese one?it makes more sense in the context of russia making a purely russian space station to do adversary glowie shit in, after leaving the iss.if they let in chinese astronauts, why do they want the expensive surveillance orbit?is the russian economy doing so well that they can afford that?
>>16837820Is it just me or does a billion not even sound like a big number anymore. I'm not saying it's not, but it's like trillion is the new billion, maybe these evaluations and things have just gotten really bloated and I've totally lost track of numbers following this space stuff. If you have a hundred million, you can buy like one rocket launch and then you're basically broke again
>>16837877One billion is the minimum unit for big business and government projects these days.
>>16837877No yeah I get what you mean, it was a massive deal for a company to be a trillion dollar company, but now we have what, a dozen or so of them? Not to mention Nvidia is pushing a HUNDRED Billion in EARNINGS, not revenue, per year, soon be a hundred billion a quarter
https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1986225161884901403>Tonight is a Space Coast double header from SpaceX and ULA:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5A4tCYoHZs>8:31 p.m. EST (0131 UTC) - Starlink 6-81https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdsUu86_gdc>10:24 p.m. EST (0324 UTC) - ViaSat-3 F2
>>16837836you can't fool me that's a toy lightsaber someone thrown away at las vegas
>>16837820>Each subscriber is going to pay $160 per monthYou're off by a factor of at least two.
>>16837902>not accounting for the Maritime and Aviation subscribers paying high-5/low-6 figures
>>16837811no dangerous at all.
>>16837902>>16837908military as well
>>16835925>Artemis will have the first fatalities in space.Soviets beat us to it, actually.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_11
>>16837908So, show the math on your estimate if you like. Typing, "Grok what is Starlinks revenue?" doesn't count.
https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1986242221679452497>Both SpaceX and ULA are simultaneously loading liquid oxygen on the upper stages of their respective rockets at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station. Truly a multi-user spaceport kind of night.
starlink 3 bings
>>16837902So, show the math on your estimate if you like. Typing, "it comes to me in a dream" doesn't count.
Fun Fact: Over at NSF an old space grumpy grandad acknowledged:>FYI I have worked on every American docking system to date. Artemis II does not have a docking system because A) it doesn't need one, and B) it has to drop the docking system for CG on re-entry. So putting one on A-II would be a massive waste of money.Meaning, reentry is even more iffy than you thought, if Orion is stuck in space there isn't even a slim chance of rescue and most importantly all Lockmart cares about is the dollar bills yo. Very comfortable with letting AIII go up with an amazing untested configuration.
>>16837931no :)
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1986243900227363073>Crazy thing about the Viasat-3 launch tonight. It has a capacity of 1 terabit per second. Took 7 years and $700 million to build on contract by Boeing. Starlink v3 satellites have similar capacity. SpaceX will chuck dozens of them into space next year on every Starship launch.
>>16837932neither of these rockets excites me anymore
>>16837921Just because Soviets killed people in the past doesn't prove that they can kill people today. It's a whole new race now.
>>16837942starting to scare the shit out of me if I'm honest bros. the population is too space illiterate to understand the nuances, a mishap here would be disastrous for the public support of spaceflight
>>16837941>No you!Snappy comeback.Took the average public cost of $80 a month, and figured the gold tier plans and government mandated $15 a month EBT plans net out. That's the factor of two left.Now go ahead. Dazzle us with your insight.
Another one
>>16837957>the average public cost of $80 a monthcitation required
ViaSat-3 F1 launched on 1 May 2023 aboard a Falcon Heavy rocket, which successfully placed it into a near-geosynchronous orbit in the early hours of 1 May at an altitude of approximately 34,600 kilometers. Deployment of the antenna did not occur nominally and the satellite's performance was severely affected.[16][17] Viasat triggered a $420 million claim, a space insurance underwriter described the situation to CNBC as a “market changing event” for the sector.[18] Viasat suffered its biggest one-day loss in share price following the news.[18] In February 2024, Viasat announced that the crippled satellite is expected to enter commercial service in the second quarter of 2024 at less than ten percent of its 1 terabit per second capacity, and that a $421 million insurance claim had been filed.[19]
>>16837979if a starlink sat failed to deploy an antenna and was useless it wouldn't even get tweeted about.
>>16837987An entire batch fell to Earth and it was only spoken about here
>>16837952Did berger have an insider who tipped him off or do you think he’s secretly butthurt that he didn’t see it coming
>>16837957Anything less than an order of magnitude is irrelevant
>>16837979Viasat is the reason I didn't have internet on my cross-pacific flights multiple times and I will never forgive them. I'm legitimately switching from Delta to United for my flights because United is getting Starlink soon(tm).
Is we getting NEP
>>16838023too many radiators
https://x.com/WMstormchaserDB/status/1986257274776752547>Beautiful SUBSTORM in progress as of 9:15PM EST in Nunica, MIMight be a chance to see something if you've got clear sky tonight
https://x.com/landon_wx/status/1986261897121821119>Wow. What a show! DeKalb, IL
https://x.com/landon_wx/status/1986208806658011574>Large mid-latitude displays are possible this evening, but the aurora may be hard to see during recovery phase of substorms. Substorm pillars may appear as a very bright red to the naked eye.
https://x.com/LoganJusticeTCA/status/1986260103633191096>Mille Lacs central MN!
https://x.com/traveling_corn/status/1986260107701653734>Visibly aurora from downtown Minneapolis
>A substorm, sometimes referred to as a magnetospheric substorm or an auroral substorm, is a brief disturbance in the Earth's magnetosphere that causes energy to be released from the "tail" of the magnetosphere and injected into the high latitude ionosphere. Visually, a substorm is seen as a sudden brightening and increased movement of auroral arcs.>Substorms are distinct from geomagnetic storms in that the latter take place over a period of several days, are observable from anywhere on Earth, inject a large number of ions into the outer radiation belt, and occur once or twice a month during the maximum of the solar cycle and a few times a year during solar minimum.>Substorms, on the other hand, take place over a period of a few hours, are observable primarily at the polar regions, do not inject many particles into the radiation belt, and are relatively frequent — often occurring only a few hours apart from each other.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substormhmm
>>16837949its not about the rockets or even the payloads, but that they're both happening from the same spaceport within a short amount of time from each other. a rare event like this becoming more common is a good sign for the industry.
>>16838041earth is cool
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986266299463266365>Atlas V is fully fueled and configured for its commercial satellite launch. Clocks are holding at T-minus 4 minutes for a 30-minute planned built-in hold before final readiness polls and we enter terminal count. Our visibility graphic shows when the Atlas V rocket will rise into view for spectators tonight
>>16838054how many more Vs do they have again?
>>16838055XII
>>16837987IIRC something like 5% of every starlink sat fails in some way after being launched and gets deorbited (that was some years ago, dunno if got better or worse). They offset this by launching more.So a starlink failing to deploy is usual, but they have reserves.
>>16838055https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau/atlas-5.htm>Atlas-5(551) 5M CC SLC-41 xx.xx.202x Kuiper KA-04-27>Atlas-5(551) 5M CC SLC-41 xx.xx.202x Kuiper KA-05-27>Atlas-5(551) 5M CC SLC-41 xx.xx.202x Kuiper KA-06-27>Atlas-5(551) 5M CC SLC-41 xx.xx.202x Kuiper KA-07-27>Atlas-5(551) 5M CC SLC-41 xx.xx.2026 Kuiper KA-08-27>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.2026 Starliner 1>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.202x Starliner 2>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.20xx Starliner 3>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.20xx Starliner 4>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.20xx Starliner 5>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.20xx Starliner 6
>>16838060>starliner6LOL
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986267198139343316>The launch weather officer confirms that all conditions remain observed and forecast GO for liftoff at 10:24 p.m. EDT (0324 UTC). T-12:00
>>16838064cant wait for these oldspace rockets to go extinct
>>16837873>is the russian economy doing so well that they can afford that?they're doing pretty well considering they don't parasite billions of dollars in US taxpayer "aid" money each year, don't you think?
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986270692149706887>The Atlas launch team is assessing a technical issue at this time. The issue is being examined and troubleshooting is underway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZ_dyoLDmsoldspace doing a thing
Anyone know where to find a copy of the project Athena 62 page report? The summary that Berger wrote about is juicy, I want moar. Hoping for a premature end of sls and Orion, and dumping buckets of money into infrastructure to get millions of people living on mars.
>>16838073not even my boss at NASA has it, I asked him
>>16838074tell your boss at nasa I said hi
it's so scrubbed
>>16838069many countries don't, and they don't have a space station either.why would the US give an adversary nation aid? what makes you think they would?
ULA is a shitheap
>>16838077>why would the US give an adversary nation aid?we have every year for decades now
why does this ULA launch matter so much?
>>16838081it's not a starlink launch
>>16838072This broadcaster is so awkward
>>16837796>Might be able to resolve the issue by tonight This things gonna explode 3 seconds after takeoff isn't it
>>16838084On one hand, that'd be fucking hilariousOn the other hand, I'm stuck flying AA and all their planes are equipped with slow and gay viasat, so I have some interest in this launch going well because that means I get fast in-flight wifi
How embarrassing...
>We're having problems, please watch this ad
>>16838084I'm hoping for another strut malfunction.
>>16838092>In an unfortunate series of errors, Chief Engineer, Bill Kerban, has accidentally slipped and fallen into the main Solid Propellant tank and was welded inside the chassis. We are currently assessing if his bodily composition will effect the critical Delta V needed for liftoff
https://x.com/TamithaSkov/status/1986188658916073683>A whole train of big solar storms are on their way, along with some smaller storms hitting now, and some fast solar wind! It is an aurora photographers dream starting now and lasting at least through the weekend. Right now, the biggest of the storms should hit late Thursday or early Friday morning and is well-represented in NOAA's prediction model. You can also get a 3D view of the coming solar storm in my earlier post. G3 to G4 storm levels are possible by Friday.
Viasat is sure getting their money's worth from this delay, look at how much free shilling they are getting.
SCRUBBED!
SCREWBED
>>16838109WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE FORGOT TO BOLT THE ENGINE ON
>>16838112hopefully they bolted it on better than that UPS plane
>>16838114The UPS plane managed to take off atleast
imagine they start scrubbing E2E flights. real fast way to kill a business.
you now remember the OG scrubtober, what was it like 2017? dark times
Why don't they just scrub the stage that isn't working right and launch using the rest?
https://archive.ph/CHcosSeems like Bloomberg have Project Athena but are just drip feeding itCool part->In a section called “Vendor Focus Areas,” the plan lists out various aerospace companies that have worked with NASA and how they can potentially contribute to the agency’s policy directives. Listed next to SpaceX, the document cites the potential for a “Mars Discovery Base contract,” related to a new Mars program called Project Olympus that would test out technologies for landing humans on Mars.>Next to Blue Origin, the plan cites exploring the possibility of putting the Orion crew capsule on the company’s New Glenn rocket, for instance.
>>16838122Only 5280m/s of delta-v on the Centaur and a thrust-weight of 3.3 m/s2.
>>16838126they should tell us how he plans to make the europeans stop being useless
>>16838087I mean, you can fly someone other than AA.
>>16838131I live in DFW, my family in Philly, and my work sends me to London and Tokyo, two massive Oneworld hubs, what the fuck am I gonna do, fly united down to Houston and waste 5 hours transferring there?
>>16838126>Project Olympus that would test out technologies for landing humans on Mars>possibility of putting the Orion crew capsule on the company’s New Glenn rocket>I'm Bloomberg and these are bad
no refunds
>>16837931
>>16838132Well, for starters, no one should be living in Philly or Dallas.You're taking AA, so you clearly already hate yourself. Might as well fly Spirit domestically.Take Delta.
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986283881645920654>The launch of a United Launch Alliance Atlas V carrying the ViaSat-3 F2 mission for Viasat is scrubbed for tonight's launch attempt due to an issue encountered while cycling the booster liquid oxygen tank vent valve during final checkouts. The team will require additional time for troubleshooting and is setting up for a 24-hour recycle. The launch is now planned for Thurs., Nov. 6 at 10:16 p.m. EST at the opening of a 44-minute window.
>>16838140>Take Delta.Tim Dunn is that you?
>>16838141valvesthe nemesis of aerospace
In at least five of the 16 African countries where the service is available, a monthly Starlink subscription is cheaper than the leading fixed internet service provider.In Ghana, Starlink is half the price of the local ISP.
>>16838144hehhehehehee'Benin'hheeehe
>>16838142I don't know who that is.What about Pan Am; let's imagine we're living in the '60s and people still give a fuck about space travel.
>>16838146people never gave a fuck about space travel.can someone find that yt video where that one guy says as such (going over like poll data from the 60s)? I'm subscribed to him but I forget what channel.
>>16838144Ghana should be a huge market. Not sure what the population is in Zimbabwe (Rhodesia)
>>16838147>people never gave a fuck about space travel.because there arent any good destinations. a view of earth is nice but so is a view of the mountains or oceans outside of a vacation hotel. people want things to see and activities to do. there's nothing to do on the iss. this is why we need gothic cathedral space stations.
>>16838151>there's nothing to do on the iss. this is why we need gothic cathedral space stations.lol, that went from 0 to 100. good taste, though.
>Elon finally realises a Moon base is a good idea>it's for the most retarded scifislop investorbait imaginableI don't know if this is even a monkey paw, it's just so fucking stupid. I hope we at least get some actual Moon hardware out of it before everyone realises it's bullshit or the bubble pops.
>>16838157>it's for the most retarded scifislop investorbait imaginableI'm sure it's a very meticulous 5D chess move by him, just you watch, this will be crucial in the long term.
>>16838157what if the deal to get isaacman into nasa required spacex to put more focus on the moon?
>>16837811This is insanely illegal
>>16837820>$30BN in revenue per yearwhat's their cost?>60 Million subscribers/$100Bn+double the customers, more than triple the revenue... how does that work? I get that corporate clients might pay more, but THAT much more?
>>1683817316 to 60 is nearly a 4x increase in customers not a doubling...
wouldnt data centers and AI want to use starlink since it can be much faster than undersea cables?
>>16838162You could do that in so many better ways than this buzzword bingo. Elon could've spent the last few days spamming Moonbase Alpha memes and it would've done a better job.
>>16838175>>16838173oh fuck, yeah, I misread and confused the numberstime to sleep, I guess
>>16838183goodnight :)
GOONIGHT
Good morning fellow Europeans.
buenas noches
>>16838192mein
Starlink is a scam. It will never work
>>16838078Absolute joke. I wonder if Tory is even able to feel shame at presiding over this decline.
>>16838126Who the hell do I bribe to get a copy of this fucking thing
>>16838157the only thing being farmed off the moon in the initial years is the oxygenmass drivers dumping tons of oxygen in LEO in depots which cut the launches required by starship for refuelling to ~ a thirdas for datacenters in LEO, the cheap energy part makes sense, if you put them in a SSO orbit along the terminator so it stays in the sun 24x7x365 and the other half of it faces the dark space (~150K black body assuming earth radiates at 300K)
>>16837836Imagine being one of the other institutions who bid on the hardware for that mission and got passed up for the sample caching onesendless seethe
>>16837952lmaoElon probably bribed the shit out of half of US Congress to get this going, and it was probably fucking cheap tooDonation disclosures don't go out for another month IIRC
>>16838075ok
i love you guys, dont forge t it, weare gonna make it..
https://x.com/AndrewKolvet/status/1986275357859979572Charlie Kirk dying inspired NASA administrator Jared Isaacman to pick up the bible. Inspiring
>>16838217fucking hell, gah
>project suncatcher>sundar pichaiholy FRICK
>>16837952This is the way. Star Wars future is fucking coming bros!!
ELON
>>16838079kek
>>16838221how is AI going to accelerate spaceflight?
>>16837448Clear bike when?
>>16838223HAL on ships, where it knows the systems, crew health, etc. ez.
>>16838157It's time to just accept that he's lost his mind and hope the momentum he built is enough
>>16838223Creepy, sinister robots like Ash
>work on starship >extremely technical and niche work with little public documentation >Elon tells you to start using an LLM
>>16838218Return to reddit. I'm not even an abrahamist, but you still have to go.
>>16838229you're a bad troll
>>16837811I don't get it. Why is this significant compared to what they eat on the ISS?
>>16838226Every time one of you retards starts dooming like this, things just get better.
>>16838224Check the archive
>>16837942
>>16838223By diverting the bubble money to launching rocketsWho cares if AI doesn't pan out, but the rocket tech will always be relevant
>>16838231It's chinese, so it has to be evil.China is our current enemy didn't you get the memo?
>>16837840They've grown chillies and eaten tacos in space.Please clap.
>>16838255Gravity is pretty strange when you think about itI can imagine that after a few days you'd find it normal that you can just line up chillis like that without them "falling over", whatever THAT means
>>16838231
>>16838246It already "panned out"The question is just how much better and how quickly will it keep improving. But even current levels of capabilities is going to transform the economyThere is just a long tail of implementing products and services for specific purposes that takes time
>>16838258Ah, a koolaid drinker is hereTell me how your blockchain investments are doing
>>16838255chiles lookin like a kpop group
>>16838260You're delusional
>>16838252CCP is the enemy of all mankind
>>16838268No, that would be the Jews
>>16838275It also delivers that capacity from Geo instead of LEO, which is objectively more impressive.
>>16838270and their minions, yes
Jared is Blue-Approved
>>16838279Not really
>>16838289Time to take oldspace behind the shed once and for all
Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Bechtel etc should be blackballed from NASA contracts due to scamming and incompetencethey are simply unreliable partners and contractors, they won't change (for the better) at this point, that almost never happens for mature old companies
>>16838301If Jared reads Casey's last article, he might sic NASA's lawyers on Locksneed. Cancelling SLS/Orion is not enough.
>Greg Autry still not confirmedWhat are we waiting for?
>>16838305We can hope, though I wonder how many of the lawyers are on the take. That's the problem with NASA, the rot permeates almost all of senior management.
https://x.com/davesgoldman/status/1986261780016894312https://archive.is/F0vg3>In a separate vote, the FCC also advanced a proposal to revise siting rules for Earth stations operating in high-frequency upper microwave (UMFUS) bands, aiming to make it easier for companies to build and license new satellite ground infrastructure.>“We’re confident that the changes we propose in this item will help Earth stations and terrestrial 5G operators use these frequency bands more intensively, while living side by side in their operations,” Carr said
>>16838270There are multiple enemies of man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpTVSdeb6Fg>"One last shower of flames from the old launch mount" | SpaceX Starbase
Here's what I'm thinking for the fastest Moon return architecture: 1 HLS Starship + heat shield (!) launched with astronauts2-3 expendable Starship tankers, refueling HLS directly (no depot)HLS > lunar equator (yes I know boo hoo but it's simpler)Short EVAs with slightly upgraded SpaceX EVA suits (or no EVAs at all on the first go if suits aren't ready lol)HLS return to Earth directly
>>16838332Lunar equator is worthlessWe're trying to lay claim to the south pole before the devious chinaman does
>>16838334Yeah I know, trying to simplify mission ops. Guess as long as there isn't a big prop hit, it's not that much more complex relatively
HLS moonship WILL have flaps AND tiles
https://x.com/RocketLab/status/1986202667199439006clipNET New Glenn is November 9
>>16838350https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1986201029621268574
kind of funny that neither Rocketlab nor Blue Origin mention the other company in their X postsalmost seems like both go out of their way not to mention that
Escapade is also an example of using commercial providers to build cheap satellite busesthere is a lot science that could be done with 25bil per year if it didn't go to pointless grift
>>16838350https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJpt0MPmr7Y
>>16838231The ISS has autistic anti-fire rules that basically outlaws hot food.
>>16838231They have to eat dehydrated, microwaved tendies and slop, rather than a full hog, succulent Chinese meal.>>16838363There is insufficient research on fire dynamics in space. More research is required.
>>16838339
>>16838268>US gov writes a piece of paper that sends China every job>China uses it to become a superpower >US gov says China is your personal enemy now >US gov changes every goal to competing with China >doesn't unwrite the piece of paper
>>16838376>More research is required.If only we had some sort of science platform up there to test that sort of thing.
>>16838384>China releases a bioweapon then lies about ityeah
>>16838387>US gov funded and run lab
>>16838390lmao, noWIV was and is 100% funded and run by the CCPShi Zhengli never received a dime from the US
>>16838391In that case >US gov responseThe only thing I'm capable of feeling about the racially homogeneous country with trains and manufacturing is envy. If my government really had a problem with them they would just revoke the laws that prop up their economy. They don't, which means everything (including you personally wanting to fight them and COVID) is according to plan
>Since the Trump administration took over and proposed deep budget cuts, there has been an exodus from the agency — with many of those who remain feeling demoralized and unsure about the future of their work.Oh, that is so sad!
>>16838397go live there if you think it's so greatin any case get the fuck off my boardthis is spaceflight general not china glazing general, plenty of those on >>>/pol/
>>16838399>sending me to /pol/You started it you jingoistic retard. Enjoy getting your penis blown off by a $4 chink drone because the jews told you to
>White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles reportedly told Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy to 'knock it off' after he made attempts to become NASA's permanent boss Duff bitch slapped.
>>16838398getting rid of the DEI dead weight is critical for the continued function of NASA
>>16838398>political activists make propaganda article about NASA
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/echostar-sell-more-spectrum-licenses-spacex-26-billion-2025-11-06/if this continues then buying echostar as a proxy for SpaceX might become viable
>>16838416if the sales go through, they would hold 11.1bil in SpaceX stock which would be over 50% of their current market cap
>Inspiring day in LA with future leaders in space and STEM! We joined interns from the National Indigenous Space Academy, currently at NASA JPL, and a delegation from the CSIRO’s Young Indigenous Women’s STEM Academy on visits to RocketLab and Varda Space Industries.>From satellites to cutting-edge tech, everyone gained incredible insights into the innovation driving the space industry. It was fantastic to see these brilliant young minds engaging with the next frontier - and showcasing Indigenous excellence in STEM.The indigenous students gave JPL a magic stick. JPL just gave the students a weird look back.
Good logo. Can't really make a patch out of it, but pretty sweet.
Wonder what there guys are up to...
Must be pretty awesome stuff....
>>16838350>>16838351>blue origin refusing to acknowledge rocketlab's role in the projectOH NO NO NO
LOL! Yeah that's much more impressive than Elon's 100 ton capacity reusable moon lander.
>>16838435>fat and retardedyeah
>>16837806>JPL grifts money, nextThis. I fucking hate the way JPL takes my tax dollars and does actual space exploration instead of blowing up a meme rocket repeatedly because of some pathetic space colonization fantasy dreamed up in ketamine haze. Fuck science and learning about our place in the universe, amirite?
>>16838432Looks like standard hotel lobby
>>16838439NASA does not fund any of SpaceX blowing up their rockets. In fact, NASA only funds the successful launches. Its payment on delivery. Not payment on failure. All the failures of SpaceX are paid for by SpaceX.
>>16838439>does actual space exploration one 10bil rube goldberg grift per 10 yearsthere are better ways to do it but JPL goes out of its way to actively block anything that might threaten their gravy train keeping actual advancements very incremental and minimalFuck JPL
>>16838398>(((Some say)))>(((Staffers told)))ok wapo
>>16838451Damn I forgot how good he was. Infinite word count has been a disaster
>>16838451lol is this real
>>16838455Amazon Washington Post is weak.
>>16838441Given that NASA takes spacex's word for it when rocket plunging into the ocean with a banana on board is a "successful flight", that really isn't saying much.>>16838443Go ahead and ask Grok right now who's had more successful missions to Mars... SpaceX or JPL. Go for it.
>>16838461You just wait until they develop their tech tracks, then you'll see!
>>16838465this isn't about SpaceX you retard, there are other companies out there >>16838351>>16838362also mentioning SpaceX in the context of a successful mars mission is actually fucking comical considering that JPL actively blocked red dragon from happeningwhich is the exact problem I was talking about in the first place
>>16838465NASA takes the word for it when SpaceX reaches performance metrics. The structure of SpaceX contract is setup so that its only paid on delivery. Where as with any legacy contract, the more you delay, the more NASA get bilked. All the failures for SLS gets paid for by tax payers. $100 billion dollars for SLS rocket is a scam
>>16838461>New Glenn will deliver payload to Mars before StarshipFelon Huskies are having a meltdown.
>>16838470>a Falcon Heavy clone is comparable to StarshipBlue Organoids in denial
>>16838472Starship is comparable to New Shepard, both are suborbital.
>>16838467You called JPL a "grift". So if it's a grift to successfully explore the outer solar system, what do you call launching bananas into the Indian Ocean when you were given money for a moon landing system instead? The comparison is enlightening.
>>16838469>All the failures for SLS gets paid for by tax payers.I'll keep that in mind for the first time SLS fails. Last I checked, it's first and only flight was a wild success. Unless you're trying to call a pair of scrubs a failure, which is a little unusual.
>>16838474SpaceX is paid on milestones reached, them launching bananas into the Indian Ocean is something they paid themselves and does not matter in this particular discussion
>>16838475it has launched once after being in development for 20 fucking years and cost 60bilits a fucking jokesimply launching something is not an accomplishment in vacuum
>>1683847520 years in development delays$100 billion in costThats the cost of failure. Now, each of SLS launch costs close to $7 billion per launch, fully expended each time.
>>16838479I swear SLS launch cost goes up everytime I see it quoted.
>>16838480They have to rebuild/research new ways to fix the heatshield tiles and MLC. Shits expensive and those costs extra billions, the MLC alone is now close to $3B.
>>16838480100bil is the whole Artemis program
>>16838480because the oldspace contractors keep the grift goingto point isn't to launch anything, its to suck as much money for as long as possible and they have been very good at that
>>16838481MLC was originally supposed to cost $500 million and its bubbled up from that lmao. Heat shield hasnt been accounted for yet, but I bet its close to another billion.
>>16838223people like to harp on AI but it genuinely has a place in the sciences as a way to accelerate discovery in the same way traditional computing has. That's where the real money is, not in the lame generative imagesProtein folding with AI is already huge. Material science breakthroughs and structural optimizations would help a lot, both of which can be done with large AI models
>>16838485they are also purposefully using very outdated heatshield material technology
>>16838486yeah and that is just one of the applicationssome people seem to have a really narrow view of what AI iseven the chatbots themselves are increasing researcher productivity and if they get good enough (they might or might not be there depending on the subject) they could basically work as a junior partner for a researcher, or a intern i.e. increase productivity
So Tuesday's election made Trump realize he needs Musk's support in the midterms?
>>16838465Grok -- who effed up a Mars mission? Most egregious example.>Sure thing! The Mars Climate Orbiter, built at a cost of $125 million, was a 638-kilogram robotic space probe launched by NASA on December 11, 1998, to study the Martian climate, Martian atmosphere, and surface changes. In addition, its function was to act as the communications relay in the Mars Surveyor ’98 program for the Mars Polar Lander. The navigation team at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) used the metric system of millimeters and meters in its calculations, while Lockheed Martin Astronautics in Denver, Colorado, which designed and built the spacecraft, provided crucial acceleration data in the English system of inches, feet, and pounds. JPL engineers did not take into consideration that the units had been converted, i.e., the acceleration readings measured in English units of pound-seconds^2 for a metric measure of force called newton-seconds^2.Thousands of JPL employees all missed that?>Yes!
Some Chinese space statistics
>>16838495Grok fact check and comparison in context
>>16838496Absolutely wrong numbers.
>>16838496It's seems quite inaccurate to label ISR as military/dual-use and comms/navigation as commercial
>>16838439Unironically this. Space exploration should wait until launch costs plummet and we have colonies on Moon and Mars. Then it will be much, much more efficient to do space science, too. Billion dolar rovers are just theft of precious taxpayer money.
>>16838469>SpaceX is only paid on deliverySpaceX is paid for reaching milestones on the HLS contract, and a huge chunk of the money is for early milestones that are easy to reach. The HLS contract is basically structured as NASA giving an interest-free loan to SpaceX. The longer SpaceX delays HLS, the longer they get to benefit from this interest-free loan. The way the HLS contract is structured, SpaceX has an incentive to delay HLS, up to just before the moment BO is ready to land.
>>16838505What the fuck are you talking about? The money is only awarded at the end of milestone. The longer they delay, the less valuable the money is when they reach the milestones as inflation eats up 20-30% of the monetary value.
>>16838305The NASA administrator has no authority to cancel SLS/Orion. The projects are mandated by Congress.
>>16838224I don't think it's possible with current technology
>>16838479>Thats the cost of failure.Whoa. You're so incredibly smart I totally didn't say how you altered the meaning of the word "failure".>>16838492Whoa. You're so incredibly smart I totally didn't see how you didn't address the original question at all.
>>16838498May we see the right numbers you have?
>>16838397China isn't racially homogeneous. You might be thinking of a different Asian country. It's something like 80-90% Han.
>>16838510You're getting fired fag
>>16838507From CNBC:>According to USA Spending, which tracks federal contracts, NASA has already paid approximately $2.7 billion to SpaceX for the “design, development, manufacture, test, launch, demonstration and engineering support” of the HLS. The agency is obligated to pay around another $300 million for milestones SpaceX achieved, and Musk’s company stands to earn a total of $4.5 billion (or another $1.5 billion) from the HLS contract if they achieve all milestones.usapending.gov link:https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_80MSFC20C0034_8000_-NONE-_-NONE-SpaceX got $3B for reaching easy early milestones. The actual building, testing and launching the actual lander will earn them just another $1.5B.
>>16838437kek
>>16838460https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1084627451983073280
>>16838514they have already built and tested many of the systems you retard
>>16838514>SpaceX got $3B for reaching easy early milestonesWhich easy milestones?
>>16838517>>16838517https://www.spacex.com/updates
>>16838513From what? I'm literally an objective Observer who can't help but notice the Chinese are beating us back to the Moon while your peanut gallery whines that JPL costs a lot of money to do very complicated things that's still haven't been duplicated by the supposedly cheaper alternative.
>>16838520我肏你爷爷的屁眼
>>16838520they haven't been replicated because JPL has been actively blocking them yesnot because someone else couldn't have done them
>>16838517SpaceX has so far done very little that they wouldn't have done anyway even if they had received no HLS contract. And still NASA structured the contract such that they got $3B for it. It's essentially NASA giving SpaceX a $3B interest-free loan. The sooner SpaceX starts spending heavily on work for the dedicated HLS aspects that have no Starlink applications, the sooner SpaceX starts to "pay back" the loan. Thus SpaceX is incentivized to delay dedicated work on HLS as long as is possible.
>>16838523this is simply false >>16838519
>>16838510Grok who are the worst villains in the History of Science?>Why that would be JPL again. JPL contaminated an entire planet with their filth, destroying any chance for the unambiguous discovery of Martian Life!See the JPL Troon Defense Force is out today. Guess having their bottom surgery during the furlough gives them time to post.
>>16838522That's a very nice cope, but I think the fact is that SpaceX just can't get the job done. They're very good at lifting puny payloads into orbit with their one-trick pony Falcon 9 rocket but when it comes to bigger missions, you're just going to have to pay for experience, lol. Or watch the Chinese win. guess that's the choice Trump just committed to with that Isaacman clown. Talk to you later, and please tell Mr Musk "thank you: for wasting my fucking tax dollars.
Grok did she deserve to die? Did JPL do the right thing by murdering her?>No! She was young and innocent. She had so much to give the world!
>>16838524I'm not saying they have done zero work. I'm saying that the contract is structured such that SpaceX is incentivized to delay the work that is expensive and has no applications outside HLS. Simultaneously SpaceX is, of course, incentivized to do all the cheap work as soon as possible to that they can get the milestone payments as soon as possible.How much of the work on that list looks expensive to you? Does it look like $3B worth of work?
New starship nosecone has the refuelling ports
>>16838530>>16838532you are wrong and retarded on all points
>>16838534I repeat: does that list look like $3B worth of work to you?
>>16838532>How much of the work on that list looks expensive to you? Does it look like $3B worth of work?well if we go by oldspace standards, then that is extremely cheapjust the number 2 on the list (docking adapter), would be 2.5bil if NASA went with Lockheed Martin
"Nah! I'm not interested in Space Day."
>>16838537
"I am now interested in Space Day."
>>16838536much more than 3b actually>>16838537>>16838539
>>16838537>Well at least the taxpayer is being grifted less than on the SLS and Orion contractsI agree
>>16838536$3B is, by the way, is 75% of the nominal standard amount of the contract
>>1683854610bil for a rover is ok3bil for a human landing system on the moon is too muchyou are demented
>>16838549All the work for the complete lander and landing is supposedly worth $4B, yet the stuff on the list is worth $3B?No, it's a $3B interest-free loan to SpaceX for several years, and then a final $1B. So the value is actually significantly more than the nominal $4B.By the way, I'm not complaining about the grift as much as I'm complaining about how it incentivizes SpaceX to delay completing HLS>10bil for a rover is okNo, it's not ok
Let's say a moon of Planet 9 would have life as intelligent as humans but their main livingspace is the ocean, how likely would it be that we would have detected them already?
>>16838305retard
>>16838514Seems pretty smart to tie payments to milestones. It would be a disastrous incentive if they just kept paying SpaceX even if the program slowed to a crawl taking decades to do anything.
Good morning sirs, I hate HLS and Orion.Seriously, this whole discussion made me think that by the total cost of these two debacles we could have paid 6 Curiosity missions. Or another Hubble telescope. Or a probe to any planet you would like (with spare change).
>>16838562>HLSMeant SLS. FUCK.
>>16838562the actual cost of the starship program to spacex has been something like 30b3b is nothing, NASA is basically getting a massive moon semi-truck for free
Rovertards are worse the SLShills btw
>>16838563>your hate is so fire that you used the wrong letterschecks out
>>16838564It was a typo, SpaceX HLS is fine, it's SLS that should be cancelled and every day that it still exists is another day that money is being burned.
>>16838560What would be smart would be if the amount paid for completing a milestone was in proportion to the cost required to complete the milestone, because then SpaceX wouldn't be incentivized to slow-walk costly-to-complete milestones.What would be even smarter would be if the later milestones where disproportionately lucrative, because then SpaceX was incentivized to complete the contract as fast as possible.The way the contract is structured now, SpaceX is incentivized to complete the milestones with low cost-to-payout ratio as quickly as possible, and then delay the milestones with high cost-to-payout ratio for as long as possible. Each year SpaceX can delay the costly-to-complete milestones is another year they de facto benefit from an interest-free loan.
>>16838570>What would be smart would be if the amount paid for completing a milestone was in proportion to the cost required to complete the milestone, because then SpaceX wouldn't be incentivized to slow-walk costly-to-complete milestones.this is something that you have simply made up but keep repeating like its a fact and then start building some theories on top of ityou pulled it out of your ass
>>16838562SLS and Orion have existed in one form or the other (let’s just say Constellation and SLS are essentially the same thing here) for twenty years. They don’t serve Artemis. They serve a vague notion of “some sort of lunar program” or “ummm a deep-space asteroid return mission”… that is to say, Congress doesn’t give a shit to expedite them for anything. SLS and Orion aren’t here to lower $/kg, they exist to increase the $/district
>>16838577$3B (75%)
>>16838508The NASA administrator can enforce all the penalties for failure to deliver that have strangely not been enforced so far
>>16838581with zero context of actually what has been achieved, you just assume that they have done almost nothing even if the evidence shows the opposite
>>16838583An anon posted SpaceX's own list above
>>16838570SpaceX employee compensation is easily +$1B a year. They don't have an incentive to pull the brakes on Starship. If it turns out that Starship becomes operational and starts shitting out Starlinks while HLS Starship keeps getting delayed then you'd have a point.
>>16838580>SLS and Orion aren’t here to lower $/kg, they exist to increase the $/districtAnd that's the reason I hate it, for that money there could be actual succesful missions with actual scientific value.And all we get is pork barrel politics.I don't care when congress spends another billion in a failed next generation fighter, but mismanaging science money feels personal.We could for example, have had a whole Mars surveying program (a bunch of probes and rovers) even at JPL costs. Actual science that would be helpful for a Mars base.But all we get is a bloated recycled rocket with a failed capsule.>Hate. Let me tell you how much hate I feel at this very moment...
>>16838584yes, they have done a shitload of ground testing on different thingsbasically the only things that are missing are the actual test flights (propellant depot and refilling demonstration and demo landing on the moon)basically what you are saying here is, there should be no milestones at all, they get paid when they do a demo landing and before that they get nothing? even if 90% of the hardware has been designed and qualified and so onyou know that SpaceX is actually an anomaly with the number of test flights it does compared to the rest of the space industry right?you basically want to start treating them with a completely different standard (in fact they are already if you compare what they get compared to other bidders, they get paid less for doing more)
>>16838592>basically what you are saying here is, there should be no milestones at allNo, I'm saying the milestones so far completed aren't worth 75% of the total amount.>yes, they have done a shitload of ground testing on different thingsIs it anywhere near a 75%-of-contract load?>you know that SpaceX is actually an anomaly with the number of test flights it does compared to the rest of the space industry right?Yeah, this makes sense to do when you already have production lines churning out hardware but your rocket design still isn't ready, so there is little opportunity cost in blowing the hardware up. And back in the day it made sense to sacrifice a small payload penalty to test landing with the spent F9 stages that were going to crash into the ocean anyway, especially if the margin wasn't needed by the payload anyway
>>16838595>I'm saying the milestones so far completed aren't worth 75% of the total amountWhat milestones have been completed?
>>16838597SpaceX's own list was posted above>>16838519
>>16838587>If it turns out that Starship becomes operational and starts shitting out Starlinks while HLS Starship keeps getting delayed then you'd have a point.We'll have to see what happens. I think a lot depends on whether Trump tries to exert pressure on Musk. Republicans' Tuesday disaster and the fact that Trump immediately after nominated Isaacman for NASA administrator suggests that Trump has decided that Musk's support in the midterms is more important than trying to achieve a moon landing before his term ends.
>>16838608if Trump truly wants that, they would have to let SpaceX do it completely by themselves
>>16837811The PR of "Chinese are grilling in space" is worth the risk of droplets floating around and stinking the place up. Expect Chinese astronauts on the Moon to film themselves golfing followed by a a grill party.
>>16838618>golfingToo American and bourgeoisie, Xi will demmand a ping-pong match.
>>16837811Should be safe enough, unless the station has a pure oxygen atmosphere, or exposed sensitive electrical components that could be damaged by droplets
Which would be the more ironic part of the upcoming Chinese tragedyThat they caused the debris that hit their space station, or that the space fence probably knew about it and wasn't allowed to warn them
The fact that Jack Parsons Laboratory is finally being dismantled heralds the return of the Christ
>>16838560kek
>>16838634truth
>>168386442025 YTD
>>16838644I know this data is sorted by country but SpaceX should be their own category nonetheless
>>16838644What happened to China?
>>16838634spaceflight no longer belongs to Moloch
>>16838387the vaxx was the bioweapon
>>16838651
>>16838658Not long ago, in 2021, they only had 31 launches. I vaguely remembering the Elon Musk goals of launching 100/y as unfathomable, but he did it.
If you haven't seen this go watch itApollo 13 Survivalhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt31852716/
>>16838658Damn. Go elon
If you haven't seen this go watch itGodzilla vs SpaceGodzillahttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109916/
>>16838682Why would I watch jewslop when I could just listen to the recordings and telemetry?
when spaceforce bros?
https://youtu.be/gPnSCcbEKL8
>>16838694get that delta wing shit out of here
>>16838694one of the stated objectives of the sixth generation fighter program is the ability to go on a sub-orbital trajectory with air-breathing engines.whether it will actually happen is still unclear, because the feasibility studies on this are hard to do in advance before you know what the rest of the plane is going to look like, but it would be cool.>>16838697what's your preferred wing type then? it seems like all the cool aircraft are going towards delta wing body nowadays.
>>16838698>one of the stated objectives of the sixth generation fighter program is the ability to go on a sub-orbital trajectory with air-breathing engines.Why? How does that help kill people/keep pilots safe?
>>16838693Because that documentary is 100% original footage and audio, and has some commentary by the people involved like Gene Kranz. It's not jewslop
>>16838701doesn't it help to be able to get higher than the adversary? you could escape through a sub-orbital trajectory where the other fighter couldn't reach perhaps, or insert directly into your target without having to fly through anti-air so basically jump right where you want to, either to the enemy or away from the enemy
>>16838701If I had to guess, if you're doing land-based force projection and need to get somewhere else (on the other side of an ocean) in a hurry you're going to zoom climb into space and come back down where you need to beThe fact that this would light you up on literally everybody's radar is probably a strike against it
sub-orbital jump -> bomb -> jump away
>>16838701>Potential capability for suborbital flight to achieve global reach, evade defenses, and satellite operations.[6]it doesn't mention air-breathing engines, so maybe they'll give it manuevering thrusters as well?I could see it being relatively safe to be on a suborbital trajectory, since it usually also means you're moving very fast.surface to air missiles have a greater distance to travel, and need to catch up with you.the radar signature of the fighter becomes more difficult to pick up across the increased distance, and it's already hard to pick up on, because they want to lean further into stealth.I remember reading about how the blackbird dealt with anti air missiles, which might apply here as well:>If a surface-to-air missile launch was detected, the standard evasive action was to accelerate and outpace the missile.[5] since they also want to use those sixth-gen jets as command centers for the cheaper more numerous other planes and drones out there, being high up would give it a greater line of sight for direct communication across the friendly UAV swarm, which is the actual thing the enemy will be in contact with.
>>16838708assuming both sides had eyes everywhere from satellites then wouldn't both sides know where all the materiel is at all times anyway?
>>16838712Yeah, but your materiel isn't moving on a ballistic arc glowing just about as hot as the sun, largest cross-section oriented normal to the plane of travel, straight at somebody with hypersonic weapons
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1986442955255632034
>>16838658>felon mustard > rest of the world combinedof course, every single time
>>16838582we're still strangely waiting for the other parts of Artemis III that it would need to integrate with
>>16838644>>16838658fellow country of europebros?
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/11/after-russian-spaceport-firm-fails-to-pay-bills-electric-company-turns-the-lights-off/
>>16838720everyone treats Europe like a country because each individual country in Europe is poorer and less relevant and a typical US State
>>16837840feel again
Odds on NG booster landing this time?
>>16838726Never tell me the odds
>>16838726cincuenta cincuenta
>>16838727everything is 50/50 either it happens or it doesn't
>>16838069>>16838721lol.lmao, even.
>>16838729Chud's postulate
>>16838722nonsense, we had our first astronaut in the 15th century (didn't make it to orbit)
>>16838732>he doesn't deny that Europe is a countryJust conglomerate the EU at this point it's just pathetic
i'm bored, any launches today?
>>16838733Conglomeration is the problem
>>16838736none of Europe's countries are relavent on the global stage aside from like germany and thats it. The whole point of the EU was to compete with the economic powerhouse that is the United States
>>16838738>aside from like germanyand france, and the uk, and italy
>>16838739>and the uknot part of the EU>italythey are at least doing some space stuff>francewet fart
>>16838738>none of Europe's countries are relavent on the global stageGee, they used to be, I wonder what changed?
>>16838740France has strategic nuclear weapons. That means relevance on the global stage.
Tesla shareholder meeting in 2h where we find out if Musk gets his 2025 CEO compensation package that would grant him 12% of the company if he reaches all the tranches and that would naively correspond to about 1T on paper in Tesla stock at that 8.5T valuationshould help with mars colonization if cash became a problem
>>16838752Moon industrialization*
>>16838753moon industrialization should be a money maker at some pointI still don't see a way to make money from Mars other than perhaps owning some stuff inside its separate marketbut it would mostly be a separate market from the earth-moon market and a net drain
Isaacman renomination wins support from much of the space industry
>>16838754I guess you could turn Mars materials into extremely expensive luxury items and ship it to Earth.
Luckily any cost overruns are paid out of pocket by SpaceX, unlike the Locksneed/Boing grifts
>>16838759that doesn't scale
new thing announced
>>16838732china still beat you guys to space
>>16838767https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G5Fu6EBbIAILl6F?format=jpg&name=large
>>16838770Built to provide a federated, rapid response capability in Earth orbit, the Diamondback can be outfitted to support both Tactically Responsive Space missions and carry multiple space-based interceptors to defend the world against ICBMs
>>16838657please go back to whatever shizo hole you crawled out of
>>16838721>After construction began in 2011, the project was beset by hunger strikes, claims of unpaid workers, and the theft of $126 million. >Additionally, a man driving a diamond-encrusted Mercedes was arrested after embezzling $75,000.amazing
>>16837796To prove you aren't a mindless Felon Huskie, say 3 positive thing about SLS.
>>16838721oh shit, I assumed this was their ongoing feud with Kazakhstan at their legacy spaceport in Baikonour. But no, this is due to corruption at their brand new site at Vostochny. Very embarrassing.
>>16838781It's very good to the pockets of politicians and CEO'sIt's reusing historic parts rather than let them gather dust at a space museumIt's been making people think about going to the Moon again
>>168387813 positive thing about SLS.
>>16838781It's long and hard like my cockIt's expensive like a high class escortIt's not premature and takes a while to launch its load
>>16838781It looks coolIt funnels money into the pockets of old white men (the most deserving group)It… no I guess I can only think of two
>>16838781it makes new space companies look good in comparisonit reminds people how much grift is actually going on in congress and the senate (if this is happening, what else is?)it ultimately resulted in a contract to SpaceX that made them do at least something with respect to the moon
>>16838781Big rocket classic NASACarries Orion which is less of a disappointment (but still one)PLUUUUUUMES
>>16838752Its only ~$60-70B in today's share, but if you take it to shares back 7 years or so, thats only like $7B. So its just 7 years of backpay in stock, moved forward to 10 years. Its kind of a shit pay tbqh, he has to do all these extra work for what he had already done 7 years ago, with no pay.
>>16838781I choke on Elon cock happily
>>16838752https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1LyGBXwkNlYxN
>>16838803>Big rocket classic NASAhttps://youtu.be/AbAYMRGyuEA?t=47I really wish that it was an actual rocket and not an anemic pyrotechnic show pretending to be one.
LRBs or SRBs?
>>16838701gotta go fast
>>16838812~$3.5B*
>>16838813i mean, if that got us to mars faster, i would unironically do it
>>16838843Yes, I've always said as such
>>16838849There's nothing wrong with it if it's for the cause
>>16838822LRBs. They're lighter overall pre-fueling, which means they're a lot easier to transport and you can use lighter GSE. Your rocket has a lower GLOW and you can liftoff with less initial thrust, and they're more efficient getting Ns/Kg. Solids are technically cheaper in some circumstances, mostly if you've got a well-established ballistic missile industry you can lean on.
>>16838822Large rocket boosters are obviously better than Small rocket boosters
>>16838752>8.5T valuationthat's a big if there.
>>16838871also requires 3 consecutive years of 400bil EBITDA, which would probably mean a much higher valuation than 8.5T
https://x.com/jeff_foust/status/1986529059468419252
>>16838878New Glenn will deliver payload to the Moon AND to Mars BEFORE Starshit.
>>16838878yeah sure, not happening
new gleh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_DFVnfB7Ms
>>16838888fake
THE DRAGON CALLS FOR AID
>>16838512(protip: the Han use their overwhelming majority to ensure that they have 100% of the power and total control over the 10-20% minority)
>>16838891>And the Dragon will answerno that doesn't work fuckit they can figure it out on their own
>>16838777>shut it down
>>16838893Are the docking ports even compatible? Not that it would stop SpaceX but this isn't happening to begin with in any case.
>>16838891>unknown object damaged their shipmaybe it was a piece of that satellite they blew up causing a huge debris cloud?
>>16838896Based on Russian Mir 2 designs, so I seriously doubt it.
>>16838891>A global plea is growing for Elon Musk to rescue three Chinese astronauts stranded in space after their return capsule was struck by an 'unknown object.'>'Send Elon,' one user posted on X. Another wrote, 'When you're stuck in space, who you gonna call? Elon Musk and SpaceX.'>Thinks is a Chinese official>Is actually just randoms on xitterI hate yellow paper journalism.Anyway, any new info? Pics? Even gossip? Even "My dad works at PLA" type of stuff?
https://x.com/whwire/status/1986539954734817669
>>16838759there's probably a market for mars water from ice, which has never been in urine
SpaceX stream is live
>>16838879>payload>LOOK WE SENT A ROVER AND A PROBE IN OUR FALCON HEAVY CLONE
>>16838880i wish blue moon mk 1 wasnt 10kg
>>16838912They seem to be always expending the center core with FH nowadays. It is not fair to call NG a clone.
>>16838822liquid fueled, if the same fuel as the boostersolid boosters only have two purposes:1. make up for the shitty thrust of your hydrolox or hypergolic core stage, a design fault2. helping with the economics of your country's ICBM industry by increasing volume of production
another successful booster landing
>>16838897that would be the ultimate karma. I hope it turns out to be true
>>16838903I doubt the chinese will allow any "rescue", that would be such a massive loss of face that they would probably prefer for them to die if it came to it
>>16838923>They seem to be always expending the center core with FH nowadaysThey literally have to. FH just doesn't work without expending the center core
Nuclear energy is key to American leadership in space
>>16838943Nuclear energy is key to American leadership period
>>16838945Nuclear energy is key
>>16838946Nuclear energy
>>16838947Nuclear
>>16838546SpaceX isn't spending enough money for this to be grift. Their CAPEX is on par with what the oil and gas industry spends on infrastructure at this scale.
Anyone else's algorithm on X showing you the exact opposite of what you want? The fuck is going on?
Solar is THE WAY. If you don't agree then you disagree with ELON MUSK!
>>16838949Clear
>>16838954N
>>16838949We did it reddit
>>16838952Solar beaming is awesome if pretty much sci-fi. Right there with space elevators.
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986550529569214854>The official Atlas V forecast calls for a 50 percent chance of meeting the launch weather rules at Cape Canaveral tonight. Thick-layered clouds over the launch site and rain showers in the area are the main areas of weather concern.
$1 trillion is approved.
Ian M. Banks mentioned
10 million Optimus factory in Texas. I wonder if Tesla can rent out their robot labor to others for cheap? Construction work? Cleaning? Maintenance?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1986549257277755874
>>16838969what if china makes it there first?it's their color after all
>what will spacex put on their space data centers?Tesla AI chips
>>16838904about time. its been almost a year
https://x.com/NWSSWPC/status/1986550851192730060>G3 Watch remains in effect for 6-7 Nov; and now a G2 Watch is in place for 8 Nov. The latest G2 Watch is for another CME that is anticipated to reach Earth as a partial impact.
>>16838891>A popular aerospace and science communicator, Yu Jun, who posts under the name Steed’s Scarf, said if the assessments determine it’s too high risk for the spacecraft to return, authorities would activate a “plan B”, potentially the deployment of a waiting backup ship on Earth.they dont need Elon. and are not asking for Elon.
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1LyGBXwkNlYxNtalking about space-based solarwith starship Musk sees that the cost could be lower than airflight
>>16838992They need Elon
>>16838998He said he sees a path for cost per ton on starship to be cheaper than cost per ton on a 737. Boing btfo
>maybe SpaceX should be public despite all the downsidesdidn't really sound like he was very excited, so still doubt it
>>16839004https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1986571504574755308
>>16839008>>16839004He doesnt want to turn SpaceX into a public company. I think the best choice is to have Tesla buy a stake into SpaceX, by supplying/trading them with chips/robots.
>>16838998man solar is so gay. JUSTBUILD NUCLEARWe should be accelerooting SMRs and thorium plants NOW NOW NOW!
>>16839011just build trillion dollar shitboxes bro
>>16839011Bro, just start a company to launch SMR and Thorium plants NOW NOW NOW. Its a trillion dollar venture.
The F-22 and the F-35 have aura, but Orion doesn't really. I don't know what to attribute this to
>>16839023w goons
lmao, this is the kind of mentally ill retards that visit this general >>16839011how sad
>>16838781It's from AmericaIt will eventually be cancelledJackie Chan
Arianespace is gearing up for a high cadence 2026, with 8 launches on the menu.
>>16839029Wow so 2 whole week's worth of SpaceX activity
>>16839029I'm feeling the same confidence as when ISRO releases some ambitious launch goals for the coming year. If Europe manages to launch 4 Ariane 6s I will be very surprised.
>>16839031This isn't even a joke or hyperbole. I just checked wiki out of curiosity and learned there were 15 F9 launches just last month, and 17 in September.
>>16839034The upper stage assembly team for Falcon is probably run like a slave shop lol. They went from producing 5 measly stages a year to like 200/yr, with exponential growth over a very short time. That kind of job with explosion in workload is probably difficult to grow acquainted with.
>>16838989kek
>>16839011@grok school this fool
>>16839011just, like... put weapons grade uranium into a civilian facility bro... it's safer because there are no meltdowns in the main reaction. nobody would ever steal the weapons grade uranium needed for the breeding, i heckin' love thorium!don't mind that it's more expensive than solar, wind or hydro either, and takes decades to build. you're just scared of radiation!
BA and Iberia are the second Oneworld airline (both owned by the same parent company) to introduce StarlinkPLEASE AA SWAP OVER DUMP VIASAT PLEASSSSEEEEEhttps://mediacentre.britishairways.com/news/06112025/british-airways-signs-major-deal-with-starlink-to-provide-every-customer-in-every-cabin-free-wi-fi-that-feels-like-home-another-big-investment-for-the-airline-as-part-of-its-7bn-transformation-journeyhttps://grupo.iberia.com/news/06112025/iberia-to-offer-free-high-speed-wifi-to-all-customers
>>16839036>The upper stage assembly team for Falcon is probably run like a slave shop lolSpaceX in general isThe saving grace is that it's just a factory at this point for F9 S2s, hopefully.
>to get the $1 trillion tesla payout, elon needs to sell at least 1 million optimus botsso thats why he's pushing optimus on mars so much. he's going to make spacex buy a million of them.
why did he make the robots humanoid?that's stupid. what's the point of having an awkwardly wobbling bipedal robot instead of one of those boston dynamics dogs with an arm or two coming from its back?why the chest and head?why was money put into constraining the engineers to make something human shaped, instead of having the form follow the function?who would buy an optimus to vacuum the house instead of buying a roombah?
>>16839056I can't fuck my roomba while it tries to do all the chores around the house
>>16839056because civilization is designed for humanoids.don't be dumb.
>a TRILLION (1.000.000.000.000) dollarsElon 'order of magnitude' musk does it again
>>16839062thats an order of magnitude more than he does now
>>16839056so that you don't have to redesign the whole fucking world around the robotsTelsa already makes non-humanoid robots: the cars
>>16839063order of magnitude of orders of magnitude
we must make robots in our own image
>>16839059that's quitter talk
>>16839004>maybe SpaceX should be public despite all the downsides??????was he on drugs while saying this
>>16839056You should start your own company and destroy Tesla with your superior ideas
the sky crane workedlike goddamn anonsholy shitthe fucking Curiosity sky crane worked
>>16839064but i don't need a robot that does everything, i need a robot that does a limited set of things, and the specialist robots for those tasks are significantly cheaper than one that can walk on two legs without falling over.they're not even done designing that one, and i doubt they will be within my lifetime.redesigning the whole fucking world around the robots is cheaper and easier than making an artifical human.making it human shaped is just investor bait again.>>16839074non-humanoid robots already exist, and it's a competitive market out there.functioning humanoid robots don't.
>>16839076you have a smooth brain, unironically. you can't see the big picture.you are a humanoid, you can do all human tasks. therefore a humanoid robot can also do them. ONE robot. idiot
>>16839076you are subtarded
>>16839076ok, please explain how a SINGLE humanoid robot that can dice carrots, load dishwasher, get mail from mailbox, weed the garden, dust window shades, etcetcetcetcetcetcetc is worse than... whatever the hell you're thinking of? please explain to the class your idea of a specialist robot for dicing carrots. remember it has to get the carrots from your veg drawer, cut them, dispose of the bad bits, and place them in a container. sounds like a humanoid robot to me, palyou're ngmi
>>16839076>but i don't need a robot that does everything, i need a robot that does a limited set of thingswhat's your personal budget? if it's less than a few tens of billions of dollars, your personal preferences are irrelevantgiven that you're likely on public assistance, your net negative robot budget is doubly insignificant
>>16839076i didn't read your post, but i see that all the other anons are insulting you so i'll agree with them: retard.
>>16839083
remind me to shit talk humanoid robots if I ever want instant and easy (You)s on esefgee kek
Meme McCulloch drive status?
>>16838998>space-based solarthis is the guy that would fire people for talking about space elevators. sad
>>16839087degassing
at this point the mechanical design is pretty much solved, if you mush the best bits of the 12 or so competing humanoid robot companies's's designs's together you get something that can do everything but like complicated soldering or removing those tiny 1x1 smooth studs on LEGO sets.so the main thing left is the software, such that you don't need ActuallyIndians tele operating em. Is Tesla really the right company for that aspect of it? FSD is nice and all, but this is orders of magnitude more complicated
>>16839088elon space based solar is not for you, filthy FUCKING earther
space paternoster
>>16839081>what's your personal budget? if it's less than a few tens of billions of dollars, your personal preferences are irrelevantwho cares what the petrodollar retards in dubai want?sure, they'll buy the optimuses, they'll replace their house slaves with ten times as many house robots, because they have infinite money and were retarded enough to fund dubai and neom.doesn't make optimus or neom or anything else they like a good idea.it'll get funded, it'll get built, it'll suck, and mohamed bin salman will behead you at the embassy if you say that out loud.a lawnmower robot is cheaper than a human sized lawnmower, even without the humanoid robot.a vacuum robot is cheaper than a human sized vacuum, even without a human moving it.there are no good robotic chefs around yet, but that's because it's a weird niche.food can be utilitarian or it can be art, and if you want it to be art, you don't want it to be cooked by a robot, but a person, for the same reason nobody appreciates AI art.if you want your food to be quick and easy. there are industrial machines that can chop and freeze vegetables for you, they are much more efficient than anything human shaped could ever hope to be, and factory-made food meets most people's standards, seeing how the food that the burrito taxi brings you is mostly stuff that came frozen in a bag from the food factory produced and packaged by the cooking robots that have been around for decades.if you are willing to spend money on a tremendously expensive humanoid robot to bring you the mail and chop your carrots, you can afford an entire harem of human slaves to do so as well, and you probably own some already, since you're from an oil producing country in the middle east.they don't make people that rich and dumb where i'm from.
>>16839023Man will build cathedrals in space
>>16839096>remendously expensive humanoid robot to bring you the mail and chop your carrots,you don't get it. It will be cheap as shit. A base Tesla is like $35,000. An Optimus has 1/10th the raw materials. Less cost to ship it to you. etc. It will be ungodly cheap.you really really just don't get it
>>16839096You have no idea how much I'm willing to pay for convenience.
>Optimus, please refer to me as 'Massa' from now own
the Hawthorne SpaceX-adjacent airport has been bought by this company https://www.investors.archer.com/news/news-details/2025/Archer-To-Acquire-Los-Angeles-Airport-As-Strategic-Air-Taxi-Network-Hub-and-AI-Testbed/default.aspx
>>16839099when?when grok knows how to do those things?do you think AGI is around the corner?if AGI is not the answer, every single one of those specific tasks would require its own specialized software.that shit's expensive. usually a lot more expensive than the hardware.they haven't even figured out how to make teslas drive autonomously through the vegas loop, and you think that this is a project that can succeed in your lifetime?a human-piloted optimus could be useful on a space station maybe.or in a country where slavery is illegal, but an uplink to a remote slave is not.is that the trick here?>>16839103build a guest bedroom for your house and sign up for an au pair.you'll get a free maid who will cook food and replace the bags of your roomba in exchange for getting to stay at your house.your mileage may vary, but au pairs are real and robotic maids aren't.
What happens if GOP gets rinsed in 2026? Will it mess up Isaacman's plans to enact significant change at NASA?
>>16839107>humansno thanks
>>16839108nothing. >>16839107if you don't think AI systems will be able to chop carrots by 2028 you're dumber than a rock
>>16839111chopping carrots requires more intelligence than driving a car through a marked circle, and some of the brightest engineers in the world have been trying and failing to do that for the past 10 years.they're making waymos helplessly stop in the middle of the road by putting a traffic cone on the hood, but optimus will know not to stumble over the dog on the way to the fridge?with what tech? AI is already stagnating.get a thermomix. that's as close as you're going to get this decade.the first carrots chopped by optimus will secretly be chopped by an indian pilot, mark my words.
I remember when this thread was about spaceflight and other space-related thingsnow it's about some rich guy and the stuff he "plans on doing" and LEO and sat internet and some experimental rockets that haven't even reached orbit and probably never will get anywhere else without sending more than a dozen of themsad.
>>16838954Finally pared it down to the essentials!
>>16839117this thread began with starhopper tankwatching you newfag touristback to r/Space or spitter or whatever else shithole you crawled out of
>>16839116my Tesla can drive though 'marked circles' just fine.
>>16839093Software has always been less impressive than hardware. FSD isn't perfect, and that's basically just sending a rectangle along a clearly delineated path. I doubt we see this problem solved. The human brain is more complex than people imagine. "Simple" tasks involve so many variables that are automatically abstracted out subconsciously. I honestly doubt we'll see anything significant this century.
>>16839117The general was created because some rich guy wanted to go to mars.
>>16839119I remember when I made that quadruple-launch launch thread that was part of the proto-/sfg/ pre-history many moons ago.... ahh how the time flies. I wonder how many of you have died since then.
>>16839076>One robot that does everything>vs.>one hundred robots at 1/10th the price but they can only do one thingretard
even this simple task, what I call 'moving shit around', is itself a bazillion dollar value https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYwekersccY
>>16839126Jeez. Boston dynamics really fell off hard
>>16839117Here's an idea, instead of bitching, how about YOU post non-spaceX related news, rumors, or topics to discuss.
>>16839117rich guy simply mogs everyone else
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986595694770004268>ULA Launch Director James Whelan authorized cryogenic tanking operations to begin as today's Atlas V countdown proceeds on schedule to launch the ViaSat-3 F2 satellite at 10:16 p.m. EST (0316 UTC). However, weather is currently red due to thick clouds.
>>16839117We need to start focusing on the problems of Earth before we can think about space
>>16839133Those damned clouds again!
>>16839124I can't believe I've been in this general for almost 5 years. My goodness, I've wasted my life... meh, we gaan
https://x.com/innospacecorp/status/1986587322708832469>Our first commercial mission, “SPACEWARD,” is targeting launch on November 22 at 3 PM (BRT). HANBIT-Nano will lift off from the Alcântara Space Center in Brazil to deploy customer satellites into low Earth orbit (LEO) at 300 km altitude and 40° inclination, while also carrying experimental payloads for in-flight demonstrations. >We are Go for launch! Stay tuned for more updates.
>>16839139First successful orbital rocket from alcantara?
>>16839146And first first orbital flight of a hybrid rocket, since Gilmour isn't getting back to the pad any time soon
>>16839137some of us have been here for all of its almost 7 years
>>16839161interesting design for a water tower
>>16839164flashbacks to the Boca Chica development thread at NSF. I would refresh that page several times a day for new pics by bocachicagal.
>>16839161ah the nomadd and Mary days
>>16839164
>>16839166behold, a time capsulehttps://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47022.0
>>16839164lol where's that screenshot
>>16839133>ULA scrubbed tonight's attempt to launch the ViaSat-3 F2 mission. The company said this is "due to a reoccurrence of the issue with the Atlas V booster liquid oxygen tank vent valve.">"The team will evaluate the hardware, and we will release a new launch date when available."
>>16839044>just, like... put weapons grade uranium into a civilian facility broThere are nuclear reactors on college campuses. you are a retard
>>16839133amazing launch
>>16839177thorium. i'm talking about thorium reactors, which require weapons grade uranium, not just any run of the mill nuclear reactor.they're not letting you walk in and out of a facility that handles weapons grade uranium.it costs a lot of money to not let people in and out of such a facility.renewables have less problems and are cheaper, and the storage problem is mostly a question of efficiency, which is not a problem if you produce an excess of power.
>>16839179i hate you, i'd rather have the ARCAspammer back
>>16838352Rocketlab is just insanely annoying about it every time someone buys a bus from them or contracts their services.Even Boeing isn't out here shilling for themselves so hard.
does rocketlab collect the lithium batteries their electron rockets jettison during flight, or are they enjoying the safe and legal thrill of dumping batteries into the ocean?
>>16839044>solar, wind or hydroThese are not serious power sources
>>16839186>enjoying the safe and legal thrill of dumping batteries into the ocean?think of the poor dolphins
>>16839181I don't hate you
>>16839188why not?put solar in the desert, and wherever there is room, power through the grid what can easily be powered through the grid (low density areas, mostly).cities would require too much fucking with the grid, i agree.that's where you can use the excess hydrogen you've been producing, to beat the duck curve.you pump that shit to a gas power plant in the city.at atmospheric pressures, hydrogen carries more energy by volume than natural gas, and natural gas power plants are tried and tested.also:>hydro is not a serious power sourceyou didn't mean to post that, right?it's no longer a significant power source in the US, but the EU gets 30% of its power from hydro, so does china, the place that makes everything in the world.I know not every place has the geography to build a three gorges dam, but where applicable, hydro kicks ass.sucks for the people displaced by the reservoir, but they'll get over it. or under it.
>>16839196>a giant kettle TO ORBITwhy haven't we thought about this before?
>>16839201>>hydro is not a serious power source>you didn't mean to post that, right?I meant exactly that.It's highly situational, and only a few locations can make any use of it.>the EU gets 30% of its power from hydroAnd that's all it's going to get. There's no more room to expand hydro.As for solar, clouds exist, as well as the diurnal rotation of the earth.
>>16839205there is one there already russell's
>>16839205we would, but Romania has a huge leadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSLBJXJpF4s
>>16839209I don't believe in all that.
>>16839210>4 years agoThe ARCAmania was a strange chapter in the history of spaceflight.
Clear Indian launch streamhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=nlsHqcAMKcU
>>16839121>my Tesla can drive though 'marked circles' just fine.And cyclists, and trains, and painted tunnels on walls.
>>16839219I'd trust these people to fix my water boiler.
>>16839219god it would have been so much more sovlful if they weren't simultaneously doing a crypto scam and talking up the environmental impacts of their "eco" rocket
>>16839223rockets are a little too big
>>16839206>It's highly situationalhaving a mix is fine.hydro is still good if it only powers 30% of europe and china.>As for solar, clouds exist, as well as the diurnal rotation of the earth.clouds and nights are only a problem if you don't have storage and excess power production to fill that storage sufficiently during sunlight (or while the wind blows/your hydro reservoir is full).it's also less of a problem if you have a mix of power sources instead of going all in on only wind or only solar for some reason.concentrating solar power plants are less efficient and kinda suck compared to photovoltaic, but they take care of their own power storage, which puts less stress on the other storage mechanisms.there's also a resurgence in sodium ion batteries for grid storage, which seems like a better idea than doing the same thing with lithium ion batteries.solar energy being cheaper than nuclear already includes the cost of storage and downtime during cloudy weather or night.I'm sure there will be places where nuclear is still the best option, because you're in Norway, for example, and the sun won't rise for another 3 months, but that makes it more of a last resort than the superior option.in the end, it's not a competition between nuclear and renewables though, but a competition between keeping fossil power around or building new power plants.
>>16839176the same fucking valve...>>16839179...warrants a v_lv_ inspection
>>16839234lel
slow comfy night on esefgee
>>16839244Can't say there's any apparent rhyme or reason to the order on the iceberg there.
>>16839244want to argue about the color of planets?
>>16838892That's not what racially homogenous means though.
>>16839252Mars isn't red. Its yellow-brown.
>>16839252Neptune and Uranus are the exact same color, except Neptune is darker due to where it is located.
JARED ISAACMAN: THE HERO WHO WILL DO WHAT BIG JIM FAILED TO DO
>>16839256the real bottom of the iceberg knowledge is that neptune is actually lighter that uranus
>>16839252>Ceres
The FAA is setting a curfews for launches due to the shutdown
>>16839258unless he gets it bleached
its over
>>16839257Project Athena has an entire chapter dedicated to Nuclear Pulse Propulsion
>>16839265We can finally wipe our ass with the OSS
>>16839264>night launch kino by decree
>>16839172This one?
>>16839268god
>>16839261>>16839264so this is how duffy responds... he lost the nasa chair so now he's taking it out the industry by restricting when they can launch.
>>16839272of course! It's all so simple!
>>16839272what is is
>>16839280space aids
>>16839252sometimes I get freaked out knowing that earth is just a place. like theoretically ayys could just show up and land in Mexico or China or something and they would see the same planet we see. I want to feel hidden but we're surrounded by the universe. fuck someone build a cloaking device!!
>>16839268hahahaha yeah
>>16839280Project Suncatcherhttps://research.google/blog/exploring-a-space-based-scalable-ai-infrastructure-system-design/
>>16839287for me its that the other bodies are places. The moon has always been an infinitely far away, immense sphere. but if I stood on it I would be standing in a normal sized field of boulders.
>>16839271>I think there should be a limit on wild speculation
>>16839294For me, it's that the different gravity and the day length are real things that take placeYou could go to sleep in your little moon cabin and when you wake up it would still be daytime, but the sun would be maybe 5 degrees further up the sky
>>16839011>SMRs and thorium plantsBoth are memes if you want large scale nuclear grid. Thorium is the ultimate midwit trap in nuclear
>>16839056>why did he make the robots humanoid?>that's stupid.because that's what people want, tard
>>16839180>which require weapons grade uraniumYou can start it with HALEU not weapons grade, but thorium is a meme anyway
>>16839261Hopefully New Glenn won't be scrubbed... They should think about the Europeans who want to watch it. I am American and I think we should apologize to Europe.
>>16839254obviously, autist, I'm just surprised you didn't cut and paste a definition from dictionary.com
>>16839244>astronaut ice cream never eaten in spacewtf!!
>https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1986673038696632335Does he mean:a) I'm not actually sure if this is possible, it'll take several miraclesb) I know this is possible but I am going to work myself to death doing itc) Tesla has been concealing some bizarrely advanced R&D and we're about to make it public
>>16839325The milestones don't seem that dramatic. Tesla could probably reach most of existing trends continue, with no new tech. 1 million optimus robots sold is another story. It would probably have to be demonstrably useful to achieve that
>>16838541Why is she sitting like that?
https://excursionset.com/blog/2025/11/lost-in-space-new-zealands-30m-participation-trophy/kiwis were scammed 30 million by "environmentalists" to launch garbage into space
>>16839325All robotaxis and Optimus bots will be networked through starlink, accessing a globally distributed common brain. They'll have up-to-date high resolution footage of huge swaths of the world. Tesla has been AI-generating realistic outdoor street footage and traffic scenarios for years now. What happens when the training data for those models is live-updating? That network might become almost prescient in high-coverage areas depending on how much compute they can launch. What if Starlinks have been launching with overkill processing hardware for years, and their orbital datacenter is already built and constantly growing, just waiting to be connected to the fleet?
>>16838682Just finished watching. Thanks, it was neat.
Open the podbay doors gronk
>>16839325You people are ridiculous
>>16839261>The FAA is setting a curfews for launches due to the shutdownSource?
>>16839325optimus bots are ripe for military contracts. just get some jeets to remotely pilot them for pennies and you're good to go. boom. 100k drone troops ready for deployment on the cheap.
>>16839351DoD contracts are good for billions. You need dominance in a very large global market to hit hundreds of billions for any single industrial/commercial sector.
>>16839318Why does it move like a Vtuber?
>>16839271Wasn't ITS a thing at this point?
>>16839360ITS was two years old by this point.
>>16839359Same technology
>>16839073Just a fan pestering him about and he was trying to be polite would be my guessIt's not happening
>>16839186>>16839191not my problem
This is reckless. I doubt Tesla even has $1 trillion available.
>>16839395It's based
>>16839395did you read the picture you posted? he only gets it if the company value is increased from 1.5T to 8.5T and its in stocks over the next 10 years.
>>16839397>its in stocksso its not real money
>>1683939899% of elons net worth is not real money
>>16839325You just haven't been paying attention, for instance FSD is really, actually, unironically months away nowIt will drive demand in vehicles and it will allow Tesla to expand the robotaxi network very rapidlyOptimus is the much harder question and is still many years away
>>16839395It's in stock, not cashLearn to read
>>16839317Chinks are getting into thorium now.https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/25/11/05/0052206/china-achieves-thorium-uranium-conversion-within-molten-salt-reactorhttps://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3331312/china-reaches-energy-independence-milestone-breeding-uranium-thorium
>>16839398>so its not real moneyEvery super-mega-billionaire on Earth is rich in stocks. None of them have real money.
>>16839397>did you read the picture you postedNo
>>16839401How? The shitty tesla lidar keeps making the cars crash or stop on railroads, people don't trust them, and they are illegal in like 49 states.
>>16839431Google Translate and/or an LLM or are you just that out of touch?
After the last couple of launches and Elon's HLS update, this seems -- possible.
>>16839434I literally haven't heard a single good goddamn thing about this piece of shit since it is creation, but go off kind. Tell me how in two more weeks self-driving won't be a meme or cockblocked by regulators
>>16839431Lmao
>>16839437Well get ready to be surprised then I guessResearch it if you like, I don't really give a shit
>>16839440>Well get ready to be surprisedI won't be, because nothing ever happens
>>16839437Tesla's entire FSD sensor net became vision only in 2022. They eliminated radar from all of their vehicles in 2021. Their entire strategy while developing FSD is choosing to register it at Level 2 so they aren't responsible for anything that goes wrong. They're getting ready to switch over to being responsible for the outcomes and accidents while driving, and they're already doing road tests with full self driving vehicles in Texas and California.
>>16839431>They're illegal in 49 states!Grok is she right?>No way! Here's a list:States with current self-driving taxi servicesArizona: PhoenixCalifornia: San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, and parts of Silicon ValleyTexas: AustinGeorgia: AtlantaNevada: Las VegasMichigan: Detroit, Ann Arbor, and Grand Rapids
>>16839443>they're getting ready to switch over to being responsible for the outcomes and accidents while drivingSo drivers will be jailed forever if their car decides to run over a pedestrian? Sounds like a day-one buy
>>16839431
>>16839445Other way around. Tesla will be liable.
>>16839448Okay
>>16839444grok is wrong again! we have them in dallas too
>>16839452Dallas isn't America. As you might have noticed.
Is the landing gonna be successful?
>>16839445No, Elon will be liable so he'll just give the next of kin 10 million dollars to leave him alone.
>>16839460They didn't give a reason for the failure. Can't even begin to guess.
>>16839325d) I need to POOOOOMPHe's literally telling you in writing that he's going to deceive you
SpaceX is too dominant with 170 launches this year. There is no chance for competitors. I propose all SX competitors get together and work on MEO constellations (~5000km) with fewer satellites instead.
why does the Space Startup News guy sound like shrimp from smiling friends
>>16839469who?
>>16839470https://youtu.be/aKufpZD94rw
>>16839471sounds like a brit
https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/1986233288554373431
>>16839401>FSD is really, actually, unironically months away nowWe've heard that every year for the last decade, how is now different? V14 is currently looking at best a couple times better than 13, meaning it's still several orders of magnitude from safe driverless operation and they're already backpedaling on Cybercab having no steering wheel. I'll believe it when I see it.
>>16839325This means he’s going to march in to his slave shop and tell them, yup, we’re going exponential yet again. If you’re already struggling or doubting with your current workload then maybe just quit or kys because we are accelerating yet again
>>16839474Thank you, Mr. Jones, very good reporting sir! Patriots in control.
>>16839481yes and thats based
>>16839482this is a plot to keep the alien info hidden
What's Thunderf4g's take on the return of Isaacman?
>>16839492crying and shitting his pants no doubt, its always the same with anything connected to Musk in any way
>>16839492I don't think he understands there is a connection or cares who the NASA administrator is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWfBZ8ZGdmc>Starship V3 Stacked + Gigabay Updates! | Starbase Flyover Update 105
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>>16839503
>>16839492I have a custom search for seethers
>>16839505
>>16839509
>>16839506
>>16839511
>>16839514
>>16839506>spacegay5a well known seether
>>16839516concrete berm demolished
>>16839325Rumor is that Musk has been keeping Tesla's stock price up, despite the insane PE ratio, by tying it to the eventual SpaceX IPO. If you aren't a large, long-term holder of Tesla stock, you won't be able to buy any SpaceX stock. Investors seeing far more upside for SpaceX than for Tesla, are holding Tesla just for access to the much better deal.
>>16839506Has spaceguy5 ever acknowledged that berger has been right way more often than any of the engineers seething at him, including himself?
>>16839521>SpaceX IPOthat will never happen, though there will probably be a starlink ipo eventually
>>16839391throwing garbage into the ocean is the defining characteristic of spaceflight
>>16839431proof that we need to bring back bullying retards
>>16839397>over the next 10 years.Hate to sound thunderfootish, but there's probably about a 25% chance that Elon Musk isn't alive ten years from now. Medical issues and state sponsored assassination both are real possibilities over that time frame. Also wonder what this means for SpaceX if Elon is spending a lot more time at Tesla. Isn't Shotwell retiring soon?
>>16839474>feud is overSo, does that mean Elon made up the Trump is a pedo stuff or Elon now is ok with Trump being a pedo?
>>16839522
>>16839523Well, it's a message board rumor so might be complete made up shit but tying Tesla ownership to access to Starlink spinoff stock is also a possibility.
>>16839537>erm I normally do not like Berger btwNext time he should just say “I’m a huge raging faggot,” it saves a lot of breath
>>16839538this is why it will never happen, can't let the (((merchants))) decide what spacex will do
>>16839549so long as he keeps 51% of the shares, he will be the only (((merchant)))
>>16839540That too is redundant since his username is visible
>>16839549It really is mindboggling how bad the consequences of this decision have been. So many companies have been ruined by chasing shareholder value.It is ironic that trying to maximize shareholder value is the worst way of maximizing shareholder value.
>>16839561the problem is really maximizing short-term shareholder value to the detriment of much higher longer term shareholder value
>>16839563The problem is shareholders are gullible and always fall for it.
>>16839351Aha! That must be why he's kept the Ukraine conflict going, because he needed a testbed for drone ground troops. He'll turn the meat grinder into an industrial shredder for the million bots he is required to build for his $1T payout.
>>16839561>>16839549Its a fairy tale meant to fool children like you. The real story is that Ford owned ~60% of the company, he had already doubled the industry standard pay for his companies, Ford had a huge $60M war chest (1919). Dodge brothers were also the stock owners ~10% of the stock for the Ford company and were suppliers to Ford. Dodge brothers were also competing with Ford with their own car company. Dodge brothers had plenty of incentives to take the money for their own company/investment portfolio. Ford's argument that it was just to invest back in the company/employees doesn't make a whole lot of sense when Ford was already paying 2X the industry standard and was extremely profitable. Ford likely wanted to deny all the profits from the company to his rival Dodge and also shareholder.
>>16839409>nowanon, China raided the LFTR research at Oak Ridge nearly a decade ago. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. I'm just glad someone had the balls to finally implement it. (Have we had a reaction from Kirk Sorensen yet?)
>>16839576As was fords right and the government should not force ford to give money to a competitor.
>>16839549>can't let the (((merchants))) decide what spacex will doAre you stupid? Didn't you just see the massive compensation package that got approved? Raising employee wages with Tesla profits wasn't on the top of the agenda.
>>16839576why doesn't it make sense? using peers is lazy
>>16839485UAP disclosure act has failed to pass several times in it's entirety and it's mostly because of defense contractor lobbyists
>>16839587But Elon was receiving compensation... The average Tesla employee just got an extra $1 million or so
Are the Chinese astronauts really stuck in spess?
>>16839585It was share holder's right. Not just a single person's right. As a public company shareholders, or the owners of the companies, should be the benefactor when all things considered about pay raise to keep talent, growth, etc. Being way above the market means arguments about paying to keep talent, growing has much less leverage? Who are they competing against with 2X pay? No one. So the profit from the company belongs to the shareholders because other legitimate reasons for growth/competitive edge/margins were already addressed by the company.
>>16839610against other industries for example you retard"industry standard" is pointless if the industry is basically completely new and created by you
>>16839610are you jewish?
>>16839615In the end, the industry was moving and Ford was way ahead in the lead. Dodge was a distant competition. But Dodge car company also owned Ford, so they wanted the money from Ford to grow Dodge as a company. Rightfully, with excessive surplus on Ford, the money was for shareholders to be given back, since that was the reason Ford was able to grow in the first place.
>>16839615>"industry standard" is pointless if the industry is basically completely new and created by youFord grew due to Dodge, not only because they invested in Ford, but also Dodge was supplying Ford's growth with parts needed for the company.
>>16839409>Chinks are getting into thorium nowIt doesn't make it any less of a meme fuel. None of the advantages of thorium midwits like to repeat are even true. Right now the Chinese are going through the "try everything and see what works" phase of nuclear, like the USA did during the cold war. Which isn't a bad thing and with modern technology could easily surpass the USA. If the US remains corrupt and slow in nuclear.
>>16839616Again, children like you get confused. This isn't one company v random share holder. Its 1 company v its suppliers, its share holders, and also its competition all in one package. Money from Ford would help Dodge grow. Jewish Mc Scrooge Jew that hates palestines lives matter isn't in the talking point except in your childish head.
>>16839621so what?
Where are the Canadians THOUGH?
>>16839617>Rightfully, with excessive surplus on Ford, the money was for shareholders to be given back, since that was the reason Ford was able to grow in the first place.this doesn't make any sensewouldn't it be in the shareholders interest in general to not give money to a competitor? 90% of the shareholders were not Dodge
>>16839626the more info you give me about it, the more retarded and short sighted the courts decision seemsits making me more against the decision, not less
China’s Tianwen-1 orbiter has captured an image of 3I/ATLAS during its fly-by of Mars.China released their image. NASA still refuses to do likewise -- if they actually tried to get a snapshot.
>>16839617>>16839634in other words, what you are implying here is basically that Toyota should have been able to force Tesla to start paying dividends after they got model S online instead of investing that money into model 3the fact that you disagree with what or what isn't creating future shareholder value is pretty irrelevant here, you bring up some 2x pay vs "industry standard" but it could be any other issue that some minority shareholders disagree aboutwith the same logic you could say that google should be able to force SpaceX not to develop Starship beacuse its risky, not to develop Starlink because its risky and they should instead just start paying dividends directlyits such a fucking retarded decisionif the dodge brothers wanted cash, they could have simply sold their shares, simple as fucking that
>>16839639to add some more, I can easily argue that increasing the pay past 2x is much better than starting to pay divindends1) you can expect more and longer hours from the workers with more pay and a higher standard2) you can start to recruit from some areas that are way beyond normal factory workers, i.e. some people might come become technicians or whatever instead of going into become a doctor if the pay is high enough, or whever else3) giving any money to your competition is bad and quite directly would affect the future shareholder value of the stock due to more competition
>>16839087Fa(i/l)ling.
>>16839264Wow this is going to be so disruptive for ULA and Blue Origin!
the decision is partly why many companies are not going public anymore and why spacex probably never willbeing on the whims of retarded short-termist shareholders will destroy your company if the business plan isn't simply about squeezing as much money as possible in the following 12 months out of your current business and then directly giving that money away (either through buypacks or dividends) instead of creating much more shareholder value in the long term through investing into the futureVCs investing in startups understand this and increasingly later stage investors also understand it when they invest into hundred billion dollar private companies
>>16839264New Glenn is safe since it is a government contract.
>>16839644sneed
>>16839509They're sure getting that thing built quick. why doesn't america just spam them all over the country and solve the housing problem?
>>16839656The housing crisis isn’t solved by building megablocs, the answer to this issue has more to do with expelling certain people… but I’ll leave it at that
>>16839661Anons from their mom's basements?That would only increase the housing problem though
>>16839610As i see are a bunch of normative declarations about how things should be without even trying to refute how shareholder value maximization has actually played out in reality. Why are all the best, most innovative companies private instead of public? Why are all the worst companies, such as boeing, so self consciously pursuing shareholder value maximization?
>>16839656>They're sure getting that thing built quickNo way they would allow housing to be built so quickly, I'm sure regulators would come up with 100+ reasons why it isn't a proper living space just to stammer the project.> why doesn't america just spam them all over the countryBecause the problem isn't people living all over the country, is that a lot of people want to live basically in the same place (cities where the jobs are).Add the fact that people see housing as an investiment (which drives house prices up and prevents cheap housing), nonsensical zoning rules, nonsensical building codes (especially where they're needed the most), poor public transport (and it's needed, no way a bunch of people can live in a small space and move by car only) and so on.
>>16839656Aside from the usual NIMBY shit at all levels it's not that easy to scale because of the labor intensity. Harder to tap into great economies of scale like in manufacturing. Likewise Tesla Solar relies on skilled installers doing custom work and that's a big part of the reason why they're struggling.
>>16839661Supply and demand faggot
>>16839639Tesla wasnt making moneyToyota doesnt own a controlling Tesla sharesTesla isnt a monopoly in car market
>>16839681tesla was making money briefly after Model SDodge didn't own a controlling stake in Ford either you retarded fuck, but both had an about 10% stakeirrelevant and in fact you could say they were a monopoly in the luxury EV market at that point
>>16839669yeah, the MBAs ruined boeing with their short-termism
Grumpy Grandpa snarking about Elon and lying about his own accomplishments.
>>16839694Better go defend Elon from him.
>>16839691>brieflyMeans nothing. Tesla was a debt ridden company for majority of its existence. Even now, the competitive environment is very harsh that it would be hard to argue that Tesla is in a very comfortable position or has any sort of monopoly.
>>16839698both things are completely irrelevant
What industries have the highest barriers to entry?
>>16839694Never missed a deadline in 32 years is a funny way to say you have never done anything hard. Congratulations on being a fucking loser, I guess.
>>16839700Oil refining
>>16839692Why did they do that? Probably because of a legal regime which makes it illegal to do anything else, or at least opens you to lawsuits if you do otherwise.
>>16839699It was relevant because Ford had 50% of the car market share and was a monopoly at the time. On top of that they were making huge amounts of money as a result of this monopoly, wasn't in debt, and didnt have any obligations. The only thing left was to pay back the money to their initial investors who wanted their money to build up their own company. The initial fairy tale argument about good company v evil shareholders is nonsense you swallowed. The real world is just people with different interest fighting for their money.
>>16839709Again, All I'm hearing is normative statements with no examination of the consequences of the policy. I have 3 guesses as to why you're avoiding that conversation.
>>16839713All you said was good v evil fairy tail, which had no basis in reality. Your fairy tale is fit for kids under 12, who havent developed their brains yet.
>>16839709all of that is irrelevantbeing forced to pay dividends is insane, regardless if you are making money or not
>>16839717Keep dodging the question. What are the consequences of shareholder value maximization?
>>16839721No need to wonder, we live in this world where "shareholder value is maximized" as you want to make a strawman argument. We live in this world right now. Healthy competition, healthy supply chains, healthy market, healthy competition. The judge and the courts rightfully judged all the variables to the question and gave a nuanced answer that your strawman question failed/refused to quantify.
>>16839722>All is for the best, in this, the best of all possible worlds!
>>16839722>Healthy competition, healthy supply chains, healthy market, healthy competition.Lol you don't actually believe this right?Why are the best, most innovative companies all private instead of public? Why do companies get noticeably worse when they start pursuing shareholder value maximization?
>>16839726Jewish sharedholders of Ford wanted to pay for Palestines right?
>>16839722judges should not be controlling what companies do or do not do, the majority of shareholders shouldand if you are a minority shareholder that disagrees with the direction the company is going, sell and fuck off
>>16839731and of course I mean here with respect to business decisions, which this was purely about
>>16839731The courts are the arbiters that decide between what is fair/right/etc when there's huge conflicts like this. The other share holders didnt get involved in this particular fight.Alternative case study is Tesla vs one share holder that held like 5 shares. Where the judge decided Musk was paid too much and share holders werent informed. The initial share holder vote was something like 70-80%. So Tesla went back to its shareholder and voted again after this judge made the decision, Tesla share holders voted ~3 times to pay for Musk with nearly the same overwhelming support. In this case, the judge was clearly in the wrong and share holders repeatedly rebuffed the judge's decision. In the case of the Ford v Dodge, shareholders didnt pick sides, they would win in either way, so they didnt care. It was judge that settled the score after both sides put out their argument. Other share holders didnt disagree. So it was the right decision all along. Only later did your fairy tale get spun out for the fools as a means to push a certain ideology
>>16839743Why are the best, most innovative companies all private instead of public? Why do companies get noticeably worse when they start pursuing shareholder value maximization?
>>16839532>25% chance that Elon Musk isn't alive ten years from now.I'm scared that he will die from stress. The guy does like a thousand things at the same time, never takes a break or goes on vacation, and disrupts industry after industry; I don't know how he does it, apart from using drugs of course. I wish I had a mere fraction of his dedication to never give up, cause I'm a chronic procrastinator and a depressed retard myself.
>>16839748Just use ketamine bro it's easy.
>>16839743huh? what ideology am I pushing here?and the fact that Ford owned 60% of the company and its sure as fuck that he disagreed, so in fact the judge in that case did go against the majority of the shareholders again
>>16839709Were you planning to splerg about Ford Motors a century ago all day, in a space thread, or are you about done?
>>16839748>I've become afraid of mortality after another drug binge, which is why I'm opening lifeXtension (tm) to develop a cure for mortality. The end goal is uploading my brain to an Optimus (tm) robot. See you in Mars (by way of SpaceX (tm)).
>>16839750Tyranny of majority needs be balanced with Tyranny of minority. Thats what the case is. It was who had the merits, or rather which made reasonable and legitimate case
>>16839755You do realize we're talking about shareholders in a company right?Fucking tyranny of the majority, you're a clown.
>>16839755this is why companies don't go public anymore
>>16839759i.e. companies have to be paranoid about who actually buys their stock these days because "tyranny of the minority"lmaojesus christ
>>16839759Ford is a public company. There have been millions of public companies since Ford company. Not sure what you mean. Courts wouldnt need to exist, if only the majority vote would be the deciding factor for all decisions.
>>16839763there are many other things besides pure business decisions that a company makes
>>16839754He's repeatedly said on record that he does not want to live forever. A shame, that's one of the few things that I disagree with him. One should strive to extend their own life as long as possible, even if that means either genetically engineering one's body, or uploading their consciousness into some machine.
>>16839766Not only that, he thinks cure for death is a path towards evil because once you have immortality, you effectively create an even more power concentration. Right now death resets all of that, but when death is an option, power continues to accumulate towards the old, creating extreme power balance issues. Further with extreme longevity, there is extreme punishments
>>16839748Trump is like that too. Never sleeps, works all the time.And he's still alive.
>>16839766He wants to save the world and Jesus dies on the cross, he doesn't retire.
>>16839770I get where he is coming from, but we as a species we'll eventually have to reach a point where immortality is the norm. If we aspire to be literal omnipotent gods who can manipulate all matter and energy at their whim, then we need to be capable to live forever. Maybe his successor (one of his sons?) will be more inclined to this idea.
>>16839773>Trump is like that too. Never sleeps, works all the time.cultists say the funniest things!
>>16839777Immortality is reserved only for those who have surpassed humanity, not before, otherwise we get hell on earth.
>>16839777>Maybe his successor (one of his sons?) will be more inclined to this idea.Thiel is already on it.
>>16839777The son of man, the son of Musk, Grok.
>>16839780immortality is for gods and fools. Humans can only ever be the latter.
>>16839633??? Canada is only composed of asians and indians and indian asians (indonesians)
>>16839785Gods are legacy of humanity. If we're bound by gods, then we havent surpassed them. Only when we surpass the gods is when we will have surpassed humanity.
>>16839779TDS seethe. This is well documented.
>>16839787So you are a fool then.
Really a lot of off topic posts in here.
>>16839793biggest topic should be curfew of SpaceX Starlink launches. But knowing SpaceX, they will continue to launch at night by squeezing more double/triples
>>16839795Nothingburger. Shutdown is ending soon.
For me it's the exosomes faggotschizo that posts his naked asshole under spaceflight xeets.
>>16839804havent seen nothing like that, seems the X spam filter is working
>>16839804what?
>>16839810>>16839814newfags
>>16839815Not a newfag at all, I simply don't browse twitter anymore since it now requires an account. I still remember the dodge ram guy who always replied to Elon back in 2018 lol
>>16839815half of spitter (professional and shitposters alike) probably have him muted by now so I've never seen him under any posts desu
>>16839798yeah? how soon is soon?
>>16839825
>>16839790so are his golf trips and vacations
>>16838781It makes a lot of jobsIt makes a lot politicians richIt makes a lot of lobbyists rich
>>16839795Starlink is fine, they can reschedule them all to night launchesit is SSO launches like Transporter-15 that are shafted. You need the "Sun" in SSO. It is launching right on the curfew start date, so maybe it will get an exemption (unless this injunction is specifically targeting that launch in a bit of lawfare against SpaceX).
>>16839523>there will probably be a starlink ipo eventuallyWhy would they IPO their money printer?
>>16839839>(unless this injunction is specifically targeting that launch in a bit of lawfare against SpaceX).hard not to feel that way
>>16838781it worksit didnt explodeorange
>>16839849Wait, are you talking about SLS or Trump?
>>16839856both
>>16838223@Grok build a rocket [math]\text{}[/math]
>>16838621All particulates on the station are going to end up somewhere, either in the filter system or somewhere you don't want them to be. The grease will permeate the cabin, get into things, and it will feed bacteria and mold.
>>16839656>he thinks the asset owners want to devalue their assetseverything that happens is on purpose and suffering can't be quantified on a spreadsheet
>>16839856Trump doesn't work
This is definitely the poster that loudly claims to be j*wish all the time >>16839610
RIP Frederick Hauck
Explain how Phlegra Montes is better than Deuteronilus Mensae.
>>16838418Are there any other publicly traded companies with ownership or is that potentially the first?>>16839137>wasted I regret nothing about all the time spent making shitty mspaint pisslock designs
>>16839836obama is the real golf champ, wouldn't let a stupid hurricane in flyover land keep him from the links
>>16839881Space shuttle three times. great astronaut
>>16839893google has something like 10% of SpaceX, but google is so big that the 10% stake is pretty insignificant compared to the rest of the market cap (less than 1%)then there are some ETFs with holdings in SpaceX but just one of manyand then when you buy another company or ETF that holds SpaceX, they could sell it at any time so you can't really control your exposure
>>16839610>It was share holder's right. You only think that because you've been brainwashed by that very court precedent
RL is flexinghttps://x.com/RocketLab/status/1986867262196961640>We can confirm launches from LC-1 in New Zealand are unaffected by the restrictions, as these launches do not operate in U.S. airspace. We also expect minimal impact to launches from LC-2 in Virginia.
https://x.com/latestinspace/status/1986911249750213085>Northern lights could be visible in 10 U.S. states tonight (Nov. 7) due to strong storms: Alaska, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Maine, Washington, Idaho, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Michigan
KSA is getting metal tanks as part of the base game.
>>16839929
>>16839929Wasn't it supposed to release this week?
>>16839933Pre alpha Tuesday if it all goes well
>>16839929Cool, I guess. Please tell me that all parts in this game are procedural and we can also edit the textures. This way one can basically recreate any rocket, or engineering project whatsoever. KSP's parts were very lame, as one had to scroll through dozens of variants before finding the right one, and even then you still couldn't realistically recreate many launchers, such as Starship.>inb4 modsYeah, but with that kind of reasoning you end up installing a myriad of mods for the game to even be playable.
>>16839938>Please tell me that all parts in this game are proceduralFrom what I've read they're not going the procedural tanks route, but they're doing this "sub parts" system. So for example, you have your 3m diameter tanks, but you also have variants of it, like tall, medium, short. And this is just one part, you don't have to go looking for it like in KSP or have to install a dozen mods, this would be part of the stock game. We've already seen it with the RCS tanks. Instead of a billion variants which have little to no difference you get a few options and then you can customize them freely. This means you no longer have to clip your RCS nozzles into your ship just to get an inset look.
>>16839922Upon hearing the FAA News, my first thought was>yeah this probably doesn’t affect people overseas like rocket labMy second thought was>but who gives a shit about rocket lab
>>16839881Fly high sir, one of the greats who flew on STS-7
They have little MMUs.
>>16839960chonkerino keanu chungus wholesome 100 kitty
>>16839943>>16839960go back to discord
>>16839961Cats are aryan.
>>16839881we need one of those survivor graphs like they made for the Apollo astronauts, but for the Shuttle instead.
>>16839960meowed myaneruvering units
>>16839535Elon made it up, but Trump forgives him.
I can't wait for Jacklyn to sink
>>16839506Here's another one
>>16838781It's the product of a monop—uh, waitIt's an efficient use of m—ohIt delivers results in a timely fash—shit
>>16838781High energy
rocket lab is mostly a bunch of women and gay guys
>>16839987source?
>russians cant afford to pay their light bill>americans cant afford to pay for air traffic controllerschinese are laughing their asses off rn
>>16839459no but DFW is 2.5% of the entire US populationAnd larger than 39 states
>>16839989look at any of their PR videos
>>16839991>do nothing>winI kneel, 中国果然是第一!
space traffic controllers would solve this
>>16840006They're called Guardians, chud
>>16839960Just fucking lazy, anything but kittens. So reddit coded
>>16840006been saying this we need a FSA
>>16839908Yeah fuck that isn't the sort of company I was hoping for haha, it's a drop in their ocean.
>>16839460I’m hoping the launch itself is unsuccessful, sorry
Shouldn't have had that bbq in space Taikos, them ULA snipers are everywhere and muskie ain't coming to help
>>16840036cluck around, find out
>>16840036chinonauts don't even use the same docking mechanism they use the soyuz derived one dont they?
>>16838891>>16840036I think it’ll turn out fine, but hypothetically:let’s say Shenzhou really is fucked up, and in this scenario they don’t have a backup ready in time for a logistical rescue mission. Who would China call first? Russia, or America
>>16840014Saying coded about anything is reddit coded though
>>16840038iirc they use their own, but it’s russian-derived. Spacex could build a compatable one and slap it on a dragon in 2 weeks unironically
>>16840038No I don't think so, it would be le epic Martian >science the shit out of thistype thing to get docking sortedMaybe it's really not that hard to do though I have no idea désu
>>16840038China uses an IDSS-equivalent system that would match the dimensions of Dragon's docking port. There's probably some active side vs. passive side communication issues that would fuck up making the connection, but it's at least theoretically possible.
Wait what's happening with the Chinese Space Station now?
>>16840046We're letting them cook.
>>16840039They literally are not compatible or reachable (different inclinations)
>>16840046Shenzhou 20 was supposed to depart the station after they had their barbeque and command handoff with Shenzhou 21, but the spacecraft got winged by some debris and now China investigating if they have to launch Shenzhou 22 early as an unmanned rescue mission.
>>16840046Ate too many tendies and they can't be bothered to reach for the capsule controls. Now China has to send their mom over to bring the controls to them.Some sort of debris hit their return craft and they may or may not be stuck there. No other info beyond that AFAIK.
>>16840046Return capsule is damaged by space debris, no inoperable, they have to wait for rescue missionI assume that means an extra launch to their station for the replacement too.
>>16840051Russia can't, but Tiangong is actually in a 42 degree orbit which makes it a bit easier to get to from the cape than the ISS.
>>16840054pshaw. They just need to do a spacewalk, slap on some Bondo and a lick of paint, and it'll be good as new!
>>16839960LITERALLY the same proportions and everything. Shameless rip
>>16839960he cute
>>16840040kek, based coded (I don't know what that means)
>>16840058it's not like they're pretending to do anything else>hey we bid to make as sequel to this game but they didn't let us so we're gonna do our own legally distinct version, here's some pics>what? It looks LITERALLY the same, SHAMELESS RIP OFF
>>16840046They're dead. Station depressurized and currently tumbling.They're currently filming using body doubles of the departure on the ground training station and prepping the fake capsule at the landing site. They will not show footage of the capsule streaking through the sky since it'll show pieces falling off as it breaks up or just use old footage.
>>16840067>body doublesIs that even necessary?
>>16840070Hahah
https://x.com/rpg571/status/1986935120637366667>In a frustrating setback for United Launch Alliance (ULA), the highly anticipated launch of the Atlas V rocket carrying Viasat's ViaSat-3 F2 communications satellite was scrubbed for the second consecutive night on November 6, 2025. The mission, originally slated for November 5 from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station's Space Launch Complex 41, faced an abrupt halt just minutes before liftoff due to a recurring malfunction in the rocket's first-stage liquid oxygen (LOX) tank vent valve. This valve, critical for regulating pressure and safely venting excess LOX during fueling and ascent preparations, failed to operate as expected, prompting Launch Director James Whelan to call off the attempt out of caution for crew and vehicle safety. With the issue mirroring the previous day's anomaly, ULA teams have rolled the 197-foot-tall Atlas V back to the Vertical Integration Facility for in-depth troubleshooting and potential replacement, delaying the mission indefinitely as of November 7.>Engineers traced the valve failure to a mechanical anomaly that prevented proper closure, likely exacerbated by the cryogenic temperatures of the LOX propellant, which can cause components to contract and bind. While such valve issues are not unprecedented in launch operations—similar problems have delayed missions in the past—the double scrub underscores the aging infrastructure of the Atlas V, a workhorse that has flown 99 successful missions since 2002. For ViaSat-3 F2, this means a prolonged wait for the 6.4-ton satellite, designed to beam high-speed internet across the Americas and bolster global connectivity for commercial and defense users. ULA has targeted a potential 24-hour recycle, but with repairs underway, liftoff could slip to mid-November, buying precious time but heightening pressure on the payload's integration schedule.
>>16840078Valves are the great filter
>>16840044>Dragon can dock with a Chinese capsule for a rescue>Dragon can't dock with Artemis II because Lockheed left off the docking adaptor, so the ship doesn't burn up on reentry -- and to save moneyIt's a funny old world.
>>16839991>Chinese space debris hits their capsule
>>16840081Romanian century, glory to ARCA
>>16840079There was a Nova episode this week about ISS constructionWhen they tried to add the first real station module an ammonia connection leaked and popped off, and the valve was being a bitch to closeThen the guy had ammonia all over his suit and had to sit on top of the module for half an orbit watching everything go by while the sunlight evaporated the ammonia.Well actually that part was pretty kino, sitting outside in an EVA suit just watching the urf turn.
>another nsf talking head is leaving to a space startupis the path to the industry working at nsf?
>>16840088i wonder if he's going to be the presenter/communications guy for vast
>5 of the recently launched kuiper sats likely failed and will be deorbited
>>16840098beta testing
>>16840087Just saw that today good shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-89awEEF0g2nd ep in a week
>>16839960Yup, I fucking hate it.
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1986985646661980418>Per insiders, sounds like a decision on how to get the Shenzhou 20 crew back (including possible contingency launch of Shenzhou 22 w/o crew) will be made pretty soon. Here are safety slogans @ JSLC that came w/ the hinting tweet (including 1 from ex-PRC premier Zhou Enlai):
>>16840111>New info (maybe) soonFinally
>>16839960reddit, the game
>>16840109god I hate the style of TV documentaries
>>16840109>not available in your countryahhh how long is it. I may try to yt-dlp it
>>1684012155min
>>16840109>The uploader has not made this video available in your countryInvidious only has short previews. Any link for non-US viewers? My usual proxies fail.
>>16840111soon
>>16840123 (me)Found these instead:Toxic Ammonia Leak Threatens ISS Crew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc0UzKAkvo0Space Station Live: Fixing an Ammonia Leak on the Station https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx3Gjjefoy4Station Ammonia Leak Prompts Spacewalk Preps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQREC9-zkY0Space Station Ammonia Alarm - Quick Response Explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmTvPiecRJo
>>16840111>The CHINESE are more concerned about astronaut safety than NASA.
>>16840143the NASA is growing weak. The gweilo spirit is dwindling, like elves leaving middle earth
>>16840111Translate it, weebs.
>>16840152>can't read chink moonrunesunironically ngmi
>>16840152
>>16840156WowIt's fucking platitudes
>>16840152from right to leftseriousthoroughreliablenot a single failureSZ22 it is.
>>16840157Welcome to the last 80 years of "advanced political thought" from chinky china
>>16840157CCP is very big on slogan. You should see some of the slogans written for their one child policy.
>>16839036At least Merlin production is still reasonable. Before the reuseability steamroller got going, they were producing about one Merlin a day, which produces a full stack every 2 weeks. Once booster reuse kicked in, required Merlin production dropped off, and is only now starting to approach what it used to be.
>>16840156I think I like the version where I accidentally left it set to Japanese more.
>>16840168>It's okay to compromisekek motto of the alpaca lander
>>16839960I was neutral on kittens, but I'm starting to like them because they get people mad.
>>16840186they get me mad
>>16840078>Atlas V, a workhorse that has flown 99 times since 2002>Falcon 9 already surpassed that in the last 10 monthsActually insane how much the F9 has changed everything.
propane rocket
>>16840186You'l notice that all the wrong people seem to hate cats (browns, animal haters, psychopaths). They've grown on me also because of this reason, but if a tardigrade mod ever comes out I'm switching immediately.
>>16840168What's the difference between Chinese and Japanese, despite having the same symbols?
Why's Elon so stingy? He doesn't fund any probes or fuckable catgirl robots. Only thing he's spent money on is 250 million to trump only to mess it all up with epstein slop
>>16840126unironically whats happening here and is she going to be ok with those rapey gay sharks lurking about
>>16840219they don't have the same symbolsthe 3 different types of moonrunes are very noticable to the casual observer (not you)google translate is just attempting to fill in the gaps
>>16840126Did anyone ever find her onlyfans?
>>16840219Katsu curry slaps
>>16840222confirming the crew is alive and attaching the first of the recovery ship hooks
>>16840224I mean Kanji vs Chinese
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AahWyakg7DQlooks like vast's command center is operational
>>16840232what do you mean the crew are already safely in the water
>>16840257command what
>>16840109and there's going to be another one next week>>16840117I noticed right away how they were using clickbait style subtitles. That's not normal for Nova, but in the past few years they've been getting lots of pozzed shows, including some from BBC. (redubbed with burger narrators of course)
>>16840219it's like asking what's the difference between Latin and Spanish and Italian despite using the same alphabet. Language evolves differently in different places.Japanese started out as its own Polynesian-style language before it imported words wholesale from Chinese. (like how English imported from Latin and Greek) But it didn't have writing, so they evolved katakana and hiragana as an alphabet from chink runes.
>>16839191>think of the poor dolphinsFuckers probably lick them to get a buzz.
The future is near.
>>16840219Chinese uses strictly the pictograms, Japanese mixes in two different lettering systems to make it way more legible as well as reduce the amount of pictograms.
>>16840359>Chinese uses strictly the pictogramsGrok, is she right?>No! She's very wrong because she spends her entire life on a faggy animu board. The term is Pictographs, symbol representing a physical object, but Chinese also has Indicatives representing abstract ideas, Phonographs which are a rebus based on sounds and much more!
>>16840111>1 from ex-PRC premier Zhou Enlaiuh ohsome chinky rocket scientist is gonna get disappeared
>>16840058they are ripping off their own workit's pretty based tbqh
>>16840050brutaldo they at least have russian style connectors on their tofu dreg taikonaut canisters?
>>16839960They're horrifying.
>>16840222She's a trained sub so I guess she knows for example that those are dolphins.
>>16840235PRO TIP: kanji is the Japanese pronunciation of hanzi (汉字) which literally means Han (Chinese) charactersThere are differences between traditional and simplified Chinese characters and the characters used in Japanese due to different simplificationsThere are a very few characters that were actually created in Japan, such as 込
>>16840373Wow, a misspelling from when I woke up. You sure got me, grok.
>>16840403Can't just admit you're completely wrong. Instead you double down. Embarrassing.
>>16840410>EmbarrassingIt's way more embarrassing to ask a chatbot than misspell.
>>16840111https://weibo.com/1971177973/QcUQx9CY0北京蓝龙's (insider from the Beijing Flight Control Center) latest post (a Su Shi poem from the 11th century) seems more positive, and maybe there is a chance Shenzhou-20 may reenter crewed.
VGH, Evrobros... What could've been...
>>16840411>She thinks all Grok posts are actually from GrokYou are just so special!
https://x.com/_starbase_/status/1987133476999471383
>>16840451No. We have Dyna-soar at home.
>>16840454
>>16840454it is an omenthe taikonauts will burn on reentry if st. Elon doesn't save them
I am forgotten (and that’s a good thing)
>2025 and people still think first contact will be by finding radio signals
>>16840401Korea calls them hanja but barely uses them anymore thanks to their unique phonteic writing system.
>>16840475what do you think it will be?
>>16840483star trek style. they just show when we are ready
>>16840483One day a human setting foot on another world will feel something squash beneath his boot.
>>16840483When Solomon Epstein's yacht reaches them and they come and visit this Sol system from which it came
>bong launch in 30 hours and possibly the first non-spacex booster landing>no one is talking about it
>>16840495As if it's not going to explode, please temper your expectations
>>16840495knowing bezos and dave “can’t get it up” limp(dick), it will not be launching tomorrow.
>>16840495What's there to talk about. The company is more opaque than a lot of Chinese startups.
>>16840495the most annoying thing about BO is their stream casters are 40+ year old women with communications degrees and not working engineers in their 20s and 30sutterly sovlless
https://x.com/C_S_Skeptic/status/1986854813284638815?s=20I wonder how this guy, thunderfoot when y etc are going to explain robotaxis start printing mone
>>16840519The best part of spacex streams (especially starship) is when Dan Huot locks in and just starts going in to details about the engineering technicalities BO streams feel like an HR meeting over zoom with that fake woman millennial kindergarten teacher voice between two women who secretly despise eachother
Why not skip the dangerous belly flip maneuvre and just land Moonship horizontally so you don't have to use the elevators and the cargo bay is right next to the ground.
>>16840524I turned off the BO stream as soon as those roasties started screaming at liftoff. I want to hear the engines roar not the emotional shrieking of talentless whores.
I like the Ariane lady though, her voice is very soothing and she doesn't scream like a crazy bitch. Shame Ariane launches twice a year.
>>16840495>bong launchThe uk finally got a rocket!?
>>16840537Mate we can't even make steel anymore
>>16840527will Moonship even bellyflop? there's no atmosphere so it wouldn't even help
>>16840553>will Moonship even bellyflop?Not on purpose but yes
>>16840483Aliens suddenly land on Earth and have sex with me out of nowhere.
>>16840401sfg - /Sino-tibetan Family General/
>>16840570>t. Antonio>Shortly after this, Boas claimed that he was joined in the room by another humanoid. This one, however, was female, very attractive, and naked. She was the same height as the other beings he had encountered, with a small, pointed chin and large, blue catlike eyes. The hair on her head was long and white (somewhat like platinum blonde) but her underarm and pubic hair were bright red.[8] Boas said he was strongly attracted to the woman, and the two had sexual intercourse. During this act, Boas noted that the female did not kiss him but instead nipped him on the chin.
>>16840524Just say you hate women
>>16840570i know some of you fuckers unironically fantasize about this shit. how can a man find something that is not human attractive is beyond me.
>>16840450Is this a fake chinese drama or is the capsule genuinely damaged? Also, how comes there is junk flying at speed near the CSS?
place your bet. successful landing?
>>16840597>successful landingpfff HAHAHAHAH no
>>16840597all landings are successful since you get data!
>>16839325In the Isaacson book he talked about how it feels like needs to keep pulling rabbits out of hats over and over or everything falls apart (this was back when SpaceX and Tesla weren't established yet). So he's pretty much just referencing that old line. So a mix of A and B
>>16840604
>>16840597Starting with 50/50 having observed one failure 1/3.
>>16840597Either it will happen or not
>>16840597no, but if they get lucky it might smash into the droneship
>>16840584>how can a man find something that is not human attractive is beyond me.Just needs to meet some extremely loose requirements.>"feminine" features >soft hole>something that will pay attention to them
>>16840584
>>16840575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44xJ8RQGp5k>Nvidia-backed start up Starcloud sends AI-equipped satellite to space
>>16840584>the desire to spread your genes is bad, actually
>>16840620I hate the japanese for eating them
>>16840576I hate women
>>16840620I can see it, yeah
https://x.com/davill/status/1987199530396160228>NG-2 is vertical at LC-36.>One step closer to Mars!
>>16840650>Never Tell Me The Odds50/50?
>>16840570>>16840575Literally every abductee has a dedicated alien waifu given to them to procreate with. It's in the literature.
>>16840612Missing one last more important requirement that's difficult for human women>be nice
>>16840656>>16840658Divegrass soon* for those inclined
>>16840657merely acknowledging a man's personal existence is enough, even if it's to rip their dick off being nice is a stretch goal
>>16840576
>>16840636you can't spread your genes by jerking off in or on aliens
>>16840657i wish i could cry my eyes out, open up to a woman, and tell her about my problems and traumas, but once I do that there's no going back, she would never see me the same way and would certainly leave me afterwards. maybe elon could revolutionize the woman industry, too.
>>16840730In elon’s eyes, roasties are just IVF meat sacs. Very derivative!
does /sfg/ like Plurb1us?
>>16840735it was ok, remains to be seen if it goes anywhere interesting
“We’ve got several more New Glenn boosters already in production,” Limp wrote.wow SEVERAL
Best of luck Bozo.
>>16840762oh, so they've got two more, nice
>>16840257Looks small, half-vast even.
Staging>>16840782>>16840782>>16840782
>>16840724No, but my dick doesn't know that.
>>16840584Depends on the xenogirl
>>16839960I don't like that face. I've seen it before. A certain 'jak.
