you were saying?
lin-qhttps://www.youtube.com/live/9u5i0t-Nr_w?si=OG6_RPxrNndNZOMf&t=5902
and off course, the superior alternative, for recreational use, and also military uset. I know there needs to be a front propeller to compensate
amerin*g*ers, I kneelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqXCHkByZKY
it's ok I guesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHVHSoEPljw
and then there's these niggers sleeping on the coolest bike prototype of them all, from a company with potential too"speeder" is the name of the baiku which is in sleep mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2I6HQcqO7cthe jets and the one after it, worthy prototypesall of these get my approval
what says (You), did my 0$ prototype outdo them all?>>16840328
nobody likes flying cars or what? this is a very strange phenomena, one would think everyone loves flying cars
>>16841410People only like what they are brainwashed into wanting.
Is there any consensus on what would be the safest type of aircraft?
>>16842463It's all extremely dangerous at it's core... As a personal vehicle that won't get enough maintenance
>>16842463Current safety regulations: keep airplanes and helicopters out of big cities. That renders all flying cars useless.
>>16841410People are terrible drivers on the road.>then we'll get rid of the roadsThat's fix it. Well done, OP.
>>16842463>consensusno idea honestly, but the way I see it:>duplicate minimal ammount of rotor + engines needed for flight>keep engine rotor combinations isolated and not shared for obvious reasons>emergency parachute and/or ejection seats like in fighter jets>consider wings to glide into emergency landing
>>16842829there are some theoretical solutions:>let computer handle routes, flight and trafficwell this is complicated, but I think it can be done, you know there are autonomos taxis/ubers around the world as we speak>get super trained pilots in charge plus let humans handle coordinating traficright now there is 0 traffic, so we got it easy for now>>16842458I think everyone likes flying cars, but for some reason 4chan autismos don't find my threads engaging enough, or clickbaity enough
>>16842954>there are autonomos taxis/ubers around the world as we speakWaymo Killed KitKot.But seriously, "autonomous" is a joke. So is AI.I bet you're HODLing crypto and NFTs too.
>>16842955>I bet you're HODLing crypto and NFTs too.I wish>But seriously, "autonomous" is a joke.it... just works, 3 workers can babysit over 9 thousand trillion vehicles, is an exageration but you get the picture
>>16842982Shit, I can run over pets and pedestrians with 0 employees and a free-tier AWS account. Nothing hard about that. Doesn't take billions to do either.
>>16842993Xd
>>16841410FAA made them illegal in America.
>>16842995who cares, they'll follow through once they get adopted elsewhere and start to get good enough
>>16842458>i am sooooooo smart!!!>i am above being brainwashed because i'm a super special snowflake>everyone who likes things other than what i like are brainwashed!!!>its a big conspiracy!!!
>>16843001nta, most of 4chan is heavily polarized and low key brainwashed, just look at trumpfags and anti-4chan schizos
>>16843010>>16843001I don't fully blame them though, the propaganda is pretty fucking strong and a constant
>>16842857The origami parachute design seems like it could be more reliable than a traditional shute.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rrDW6YIbXI
>>16843032looks like it has potential, but I think they're falling too fast and aren't there where they're supposed to be
Stupid boomertech.Invest in rail.
>>16843077US government is 100% anti-rail due to gas and car lobbies, just an example. rich (medium-rich, the mega rich are already taking helis) people can benefit from private commute to their office/work/business and that opens other doors, you know that cities get traffic choke of death at work times, and "rail" won't get you right into your destination's exact building
>>16843095>"rail" won't get you right into your destination's exact buildingNothing a few minutes of w***ing can't fix.
>>16843104>rich people>walking>all the way from the railway station to their destination
>>16843001“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”― Edward Bernays, Propaganda
>>16843191>Listening to a Jew>Unironically believing anything based off psychoanalysis>Listening to a marketer>Believing a marketer.You are probably the single dumbest nigger on this site.>Em-dashAnd a GPT nigger to boot.
reminder: actual topic is v-tols and not propaganda you filthy derailers>>16843444>>16843191make a separate thread to discuss propaganda please
>>16843518Someone ITT asked why there wasn't more excitement for flying cars. This is a natural answer to that question. Be happy your thread is getting bumps.
>>16843644it was me asking for the record, I just don't want the thread derailed, but perhaps it is true that I need to lrn2 4chins engaging post
>>16840325seeing OP's pic got me wondering, what's the minimal or in it's defect, foldable length of wings one would need to:>provide the vehicle with gliding capabilities>enhance flight (forward) modeI say this because the vehicles can benefit from gliding capabilities in an emergency landing context, can (probably) benefit from wings in forward flight mode, BUT, need to be compact in the landing a few vehicles in the same relatively reduced space which could be a building rooftop
hmmmhh... 3d traffic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fev5M_7Wnwlooked into this one "volonaut", the fuckero didn't show any insides of the engine, he censored them on IG even when the prototype was being built, so it's hard to tell what's doing really, I don't think it uses conventional rotors, but maybe those air-jets or some kind of jets, seems to have an intake on the top partnext I'll post the first ever flying bike that I ever saw
this one is really oldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9UkjwcdIA0no updates on it to follow up in years, shame how these things don't get funding
cheeky bump
take a look at v-tol prototypes ITT for a change, and when you're done, chegg this>>16840485
Will science give me wings?
>>16845837I'm not a seer, but it seems unlikely imo, if science kept progressing, at some undetermined point in the future, it might give you wings, in the meantime there's thisit's OP as a motherfuckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNaZCDhvh88
>>16845837maybe diabetes and a heart condition
I'm once again inviting you all to discuss v-tols
you have no idea how drunk and willing I am to dsicuss v-tolsshame on (You)
>>16847992no no no no, fuck your jewish and /pol/ and /jewpol/ and whatever it might be, let's talk about v-tols instead, fuck them
what's your favourite v-tol, how do you see v-tols in the near or far future? I think they make an OP as fuck transportation utility, they're really a better helicopter
>>16848707I watched video on YouTube telling that they are unreliable.
>>16848712the cost to pay for having a better heli, doesn't mean they can't improve in the future>>16848712which ones specifically? some have elegant solutions>>16840469>>16840462>>16840482I personally like the concept of re-directing airflow from a single source like front side propellers but you merely angle the flow downwards, off course I'm not an engineer but something tells me that it could be done even if it is challengingas far as I know the US deployed vtols in latest wars, because guess fucking what, helis are very slow and vulnerable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut6yROuQ8pc
300 km/h iirchttps://www.redbull.com/int-en/worlds-fastest-filming-drone-build
why is the US sleeping on commercial non military v-tols?
>>16848793article about the model in particularhttps://verticalmag.com/news/lodd-autonomous-hili-heavy-lift-cargo-drone-completes-first-flight-in-abu-dhabi/jkt0x
this would have been dope several years ago, but not now, not capitalizing on forward flight mode is just sillyhttps://verticalmag.com/news/airbus-unveils-cityairbus-nextgen-prototype-ahead-of-test-campaign/
>>16840325>some negative claimRotors and propellers are generally more efficient the longer the blades are up until you hit transonic rotor tips. More than two blades loses efficiency however thrust increases with more blades and it makes sense once your blade length is constrained by tip velocity or physical impracticality.Also you're a guaranteed ESL retard and are probably hinting at tiltrotor because V22 osprey bad. With turbine-electric powering brushless DC or even improved AC motors the naucelle weight and drivetrain cost plummets.PWM and MPPT electrical systems can keep losses lower than mechanical linkages.
>>16842463Cessna 172
>>16840325this thing looks like a pain in the ass to maintain and really good at killing it's passengers and people on the ground
>>16843095>US government is 100% anti-railIncorrect. The US government heavily subsidies passenger rail so much that an empty train drives by my house at 5am every morning. US politicians ensure the taxpayer pays for empty passenger trains to daily go between DC and their home district. The cost of passenger rail is more than a plane or bus ticket and more inconvenient. Large cities all have light rail and busses. You're ignorant and wrong.
>>16848793>why is the US commercial market sleeping on vaporware that never delivers?They're busy dumping boomer's IRAs into the AI bubble so finance bros can collect commissions.
>>16848824>V22 osprey badno, it looks good to me, v-tol combined with forwads flight mode is where it's at for me>rest very interesting info, wish I could comprehend it betterabout electric engines, what worries me is the range, the range seems very limited in elec, specially when compared with gas
>>16848830have to agree though, but there's some strategies to follow:>>16848824>>16848824idk pham I'm very interested in intra/extra urban traveling v-tols, and this V22 doesn't seem like the best fit for me mainly because it seems too fucking big to land a few of them on a building and must be making a lot of noise
>>16848831US "people" are very anti-rail, plus this is silly, who wants to take the train here? we're talking about taking a vtol on your work conmute
>>16848856>better about electric enginesPWM is pulse width modulation. You supply current to a DC motor in pulses at a constant voltage. This is a way to reduce power to the rotor while maintaining electrical efficiency. At 100% throttle there's no efficiency gain, but it allows efficient and precise throttle control to a much lower power setting than would be achievable by using a single shortened pulse or by lowering voltage.MPPT is a power controller circuit that limits power draw from an electrical source using the same idea as PWM to match the power curve of the generator or solar panel attached. While a generator will notionally provide a certain amount of power, the load's impedience might be too high or low resulting in transmission losses. The mechanical equivalent is how a transmission matches the speed of the tires on the road with the engine's ideal RPM for maximum power.>what worries me is the range,I am specifically speaking about a 'hybrid' design with a turbine driving a generator.
>>16840325If you're not investing in this stonk you honestly lost the plot.
>>16848882>'hybrid' design with a turbine driving a generator.that sounds dope, I think one of the prototypes posted ITT or some v-tol I saw somewhere was applying a similar or same concept> This is a way to reduce power to the rotor while maintaining electrical efficiencyAt 100% throttle there's no efficiency gain, but it allows efficient and precise throttle control to a much lower power setting than would be achievable by using a single shortened pulse or by lowering voltage.this is super cool first time I hear about this conceptI've noticed some alternative "aviation" prototypes like jetpacks and so on, use some kind of "air" jet, aka it doesn't throw flame, what do you think of this system? I like italso pic related systems, I think it's something like a turbo and some physical phenomena that makes tha air goez fazt, I think it is super coolthere's also alternative air flow methods being developed, all in early stages, but I wish we could some day see a solid state jet engine (no moving parts)
>>16848958*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXRxjckDYgU>>16848941sounds very risky, like 99% of these will flop, maybe one is left swimming, airbus and lockheed martin seem to not betting hard on them
>>16848941which ones would you invest in?>>16848941>>16848882btw, what do you think of my take? here: >>16840328
this drone cool as fuck toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA1ENhxLqTo
and off coursehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5gwxTMYqts
552 km/h/ 354 mph, apparently world record
>>16849106* 585 kmh/363 mph
>>16848830meant to quote these:>>16842857
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>>16848958I like this design so much it's unreal, but the weirdo thing here >>16840482 is also fascinating, not as sci-fi and cool like the other one, but impressive nonetheless, something tells me they got the idea from somewhere else
look at these flying things
>>16841410We have helicopters
>>16851813But these are literally faster helicopters, and potentially more silent and secure
>>16840462>not real>renders>"release of our latest model"this is all so tiring
>>16852006all of these are irl>>16848993>>16848976>>16848739>>16848707>>16845874>>16843957>>16843953
Jvv,, h,, v,,,h,,v,hc,,,,z>>16840325EVTOLs are dead and finished OPhttps://cleantechnica.com/2025/11/18/electric-vtol-aircraft-industry-crashing/amp/
>>16852271>crashingit never took off, it's still a better helicopter regardless
>>16852271>literally AI main picslop, probably written by gpt too
it's vtol party time boyos!
>>16852852claim you vtol-fu ITT
>>168528564 me it's my own creation, not even star wars was thus level of sci fi>>16840328
>>16852220those look like military applications/drones/jetpacks, those are different applications
>>16852864well obviously, first comes the military version, main priority is to die for israel, always
>>16852864last 3 aren't military, last 2 are jet bikes, they don't seem to be good at forwards flight, but for first models they're pretty radical
Claim your vtol-fu
>>16852904bottom left seems closer to a car but upper left seems more feasible
>>16852910>closer to a carimo that's irrelevant and probably a bad metric>but whybecause cars weren't made to fly, you need wings for security landings, and aeroplane bullshittery>upper leftit accomplishes one deed greatly, no need for extra moving parts to switch between flight modesfor me it's my own prototype (center bottom), self evident higher degrees of flight maneuverability, but I have a special thing for top right
>>16852916>imo that's irrelevant and probably a bad metricno it isn't. cars interiors are designed for maximum comfort while traveling, while being in control of the vehicle. that's the whole point for me in a flying car, being in control of it. else it's just some flying pod/public transportation thing.airplanes are not compact due to wingspan. a car's relative dimensions are simple to account for, mentally, when driving. you know where you fit and where you don't fit with it. a flying car makes sense to be similar shape of a regular car, from that perspective. plenty cases where airplane/heli pilots are clipping wings/rotors in all kinds of shits. compact is nice
>>16852927>being in control of itmost likely you won't unless you become a pro driver for elites or racing>but whyself driving, automated, special pilots, etc>compactyou raise a valid point, specially for landingbut that can be achieved through compact wings or collapsible ones, when on hover mode you don't really need them, just for emergency landings on flight mode and I imagine to increase efficiency and maneuverability during flight mode
>>16852291Disk loading's lower in a copter. Cope.>>16852668They didn't pay crappy artists. Cope.
>>16852930why wouldn't it be dumbed down driving? have AI take care of most things, just like regular cars have ABS and all that extra assist so you don't wipe, but for flying? like...instead of having a full flight simulator setup, have an arcade mode with arrow keys and that's that. why wouldn't that be possible, or allowed?
Flying cars can't happen because we don't have enough air traffic controllers. The dumb fucking public can't be trusted with them either. A lot of people don't maintain there cars well, if we had flying cars, all those poorly maintained cars would be raining from the sky
>>16852937>copeyou sure are
>>16852938because urban flight is not easy, specially considering that you have to fucking land there
>>16852946>>16852938try to factor in that you might not be the only flying car in the air, and that humans are untrustworthy as fuckif you look at it from the über rich, well he'll have a super luxury room right near the office and that will be it, no flight required, some others will fly from their mansion, with a pro pilotbut when this hits mass production, it'll be an uber for those with hella cash, there's more factors to the equation that I won't reveal, but basically take me from medium far, to the office, is the thing here, or from the office to the airport, or from x to that ebin restaurantthat's what is mostly going to be used for in the early stagesyou piloting these things, well you better have cash for burning and the licenses, eventhough all are saying "no license required Xd", that won't "fly"
>>16852952>>16852938>>16852946there's also planes and helis you have to factor in>why can't I just fucking flybecause my man, because
u mad bro?
maintenance bump
>>16852946>>16852952as I said, have AI control all that nonsense. you want to go up but not allowed? nothing happens when you try to go up, simple as. guardrails to what you are allowed to do depending on where you are. still a lot of freedom to fuck around
>>16853184sounds silly 2bh, why not have it decide the optimal path for you right away? fuel efficiency, distance efficiency, and so onbut if you want to say that you can pilot the damned thing I can only symphatize, these vehicles are too cool and sci fi for us to not be given the freedom to freely fuck around in them, maybe the turbo rich can, and maybe we plebs are given some sort of "tracks" or fuck around areas
>>16853580>>16853184and btw for irl prototypes, the prefered fuck around areas of choice seem to be lakes or bodies of water for obvious reasons
>>16853580>>16853184>Yes! The aircraft is indeed currently in an unrecoverable tailspin! Good job noticing it! I apologize for controlling the aircraft like it is not about to lose control in the previous queries, now for the unrecoverable tailspin, this following video demonstrates how to recover from a flat spin:>[a Dyson ad]
>>16853652that's when the ejection seat must be set off
first time seeing the real deal, this is an F35's engine, it can switch from forward to horizontal flightyou see the arch in the back? it can be straightened up mechanically, and the other on the front? it is connected to the one in the back and it is only operational in vertical mode
>>16853883here you can see it integrated in the f35https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_LiftSystem
>>16853883>>16853886who in here has the balls to spot weaknesses in this system (probably most advanced vtol in operation) and suggest improvements?
>>16841410I don't want flying cars at all, nor a flying car just for myself. I want to:1.(best) Be where I want to be.2. Want to be where I already am.3. Move to where I want to be, both safely and pleasantly enough.Flying cars won't provide #3 in my lifetime, certainly not to substantial numbers of people, maybe not ever.
>>16853918you can't see flying car uber in a mid-time future?honestly is hard to tell, but let's be real, neither you nor me were going to catch a heli to the airport to go on vacations on a business flight, so maybe, this is preferable? idk, I just want flying cars even if they're for the rich, I just like flying cars and I think they're coolbut lest not forget the main selling point, it is a better heli
>>16853883>>16853886pretty cool 2bh
>>16852941Obama caused the ATC shortage by using DEI hiring so the only people who went to academy were not capable of graduating.
>>16852941they're going to be for richfags in the beginning, at later stage they'll have enough technology so the car doesn't even start if a mechanical fault is detected
>>16841410They're kinda cool but I dispute whether they count as flying cars, or as just a different form of helicopter
>>16854158yes that's totally understandable, one can argue for or against the name all the sameI think "flying cars" is merely a common name in popular cultureI don't care about the name honestly, this>>16848958doesn't look like a car at all, yet I fucking love it all the same, imo they have to break fully with the "flying car" as a concept, these just need to land and take off verticallyI believe the proper name is "vtol"
and for a second example of moving parts in propulsion system here's the GOAT>>16853886>>16853883so the argument of "moving parts" in propulsion are not very effective, takes a dentI agree though that non moving parts are kind of more reliable, however that means duplication of propulsion systems which poses new problems
pic related is my favorite, called jetoptera, after my own concept (here >>16840328), but there's no footage of it in forward flight, which is worrying, however I have a good feeling about it, love their design, wonder if these compact wings wold do work or are just eye candyhttps://www.youtube.com/@JetopteraInc
>went all in on big drone designthey must feel retarded now, that they know that that shit is trash and slow
if anyone here wants to discuss this or check my take on it, I'm here
>>16855752ping
>>16855752These things have to be near silent or the general public won't allow them. Same goes for delivery drones. Maybe they should rise vertically and then glide to their destination. This minimizes the noise window to take-off and it diminishes quickly as the craft gains height. Gliding lanes comprised of large fans in the ground could generate artificial thermals that let craft fly for extended periods. That way they only need enough battery for take off.What do you think?
>>16856503>Maybe they should rise vertically and then glide to their destinationin5eresting take for sure, but that would imply big wings or something I thinkI.think it might make sense as a way to optimize energy consumption, but I somehow don't see it happening as the main way of workingI believe shit like this:>>16854728might not be too noisynoise reduction will be a challenge for sure since these vehicles are neant to be intra urbanThe gliding thing, would be energy efficient, but I don't see why not merely boost it with forward propulsion, it's nit kike energy is super scarce to begin with
ping
last bump I guess, if somebody wants to talk about vtols I'm here q;^)
hol' up just got brand new ammo, will be posting some shit soon
So there was this Taiwan aerospace fair recently, and they showed a few interesting drones, this one (don't know the name)
>>16859532
>>16859533/end of dump
>>1684141090% of people on the road are complete fucking retards who are one text message or spilled slurpee away from causing a pile up that kills dozens of peopleNow imagine they're all in fucking helicopters.
>>16859535>90% of people on the road>on flying cars>they're actually driving thempick none
>>16859536Public reactions to tests with autonomous vehicles have already pretty conclusively shown that people aren't going to accept vehicles without some kind of manual override option. Which means there will always be people out there flying manually who shouldn't be.
>>16859546it's pretty epic how you guys manage to get in the most fantastic and unrealistic corner cases1) for "middle" class, aka "rich"autonomous uber-like 2) for the truly richpro pilot that will drive the thing
chegg this outin recent floods recently in south asia
