>>16844826
No. But it is true that the same cabal that promotes such troonhumanist fantasies is actively working on ways to depopulate the planet but they need you to be deeply invested in a system designed to kill you, so they'll keep leading you on with eternal afterlife in soience heaven until the very day they cull you.

not with these faggots

>>16844826
yes (no).

>>16844826
You could make like compabilitists and change the definition of death to achieve immortality too.

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I could crack it.

>>16844826

>more immediate problems ...

First things first.

Bio immortality is possible but eventually something would kill you.

>>16844986
For actual bioimmortality you'd have to be confined to a pod made out of something that could resist every possible known natural and manmade disaster and it would need its own long term power supply, probably nuclear. It would also be a miserable existence.

what makes you think the wealthy would want to share immortality with the public?

>>16844826
THE FAKE IMMORTALITY PROMISED BY ULTRA-BILLIONAIRES ONLY SERVES TO HIDE THE TRUTH ABOUT THE WORLD FROM US. WE DON'T NEED THEIR BULLSHIT TO LIVE LONG, WE SHOULD RECONNECT WITH NATURE AND SPIRIT, REFUSED THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES' CRAP

>>16845000
>what makes you think the wealthy would want to share immortality with the public?
They were only joking about Malthusianism and eugenics and the need to depopulate the planet. Actually, they've always intended to build a utopia for you and make you immortal and reward you with an afterlife in their artificial heaven for being an obedient wageslave. I know things are looking pretty grim right now and maybe you feel like you have no stakes in the continuation of this socioeconomic order. But let's be reasonable here: if filthy goyi... I mean venerable citizens like you destabilize the system, your benevolent masters won't be able to finish the magical immortality potion they were just about to release. Such a rash decision would lead to the loss of infinity years of life . It's like infinite shoahs against yourself, so you better be a good goy just a little while longer and keep the system going until they're finished.

>>16844826
It'd be entirely possible if the proper efforts were properly funded. I think the most plausible method is similar to the OP, though it requires rejuvenation via a Ship of Theseus approach. Nothing so simple as changing the blood. Cloning, harvesting the clonal tissues, and then placing them within the body would probably buy some time. Simply swapping the brain or the head over to a fully grown body would probably be much better, but then you still have the issue of the toll taken on the brain itself by time, which would require going down a different avenue. So you could accomplish renewal or longevity, but it'd be hindered by the necessity of complimentary procedures that we're not really doing too hot on at the moment.

>>16845000
they'd have no choice

>>16845019
I think the reality is that it won't get properly funded because, ultimately, the process of accomplishing it would be risky and icky. So the rich will die because they want immortality in the form of a pill or potion rather than being willing to undergo what is required for an extra 50-100 years.

>>16845000
If the immortality work like an chronic treatment where the moment you stop taking the medicine you age again and eventually die they would yes, the amount of control you get over people with that would be massive. Assuming whatever the break through wasn't super easy to make, but if that happen they lose control of it anyway and everyone would have it in months.

>>16845030
>the amount of control you get over people with that would be massive
Why do they need more control over you? They already control every aspect of your life and they don't want you around so they're going to exercise that control by literally killing you.

Why does /sci/ want to live forever when the world is going downhill?

I'm not realy asking for immortality, just a few thousand years would be enough.

>>16845032
The control they have now is a bit finicky overall and looking over the last 16 years it's clear they are not satisfied with it, the biggest edge would be the "middle management" control they would get if you will. Situations where people step out of line would be far less an issue if you could just take their supply away rather than having to kill them. Humans are strange when it comes to threats and forces, I feel it be a soft enough blackmail/threat that people would fall in line without the scandalize risks or controversy of other types of threat or force.

>>16845034
1) self preservation is like breathing, for most it's it's very hard to just stop.
2) the world will go uphill over time too. The world was really fucking shitty in the 1920s to swing up in the 1940s, to swing down again in the 1970s to swing up again in the late 80s to swing down again in the mid 00s. In theory things will get better it's just a question of will you live to see it?

>>16845042
>the biggest edge would be the "middle management" control they would get if you will.
Maybe, but how many of the losers who post here are "middle management"? Anyone who posts here is on the cull list and can forget about the anti-aging meme no matter what.

>>16845047
>1) self preservation is like breathing, for most it's it's very hard to just stop.
Your obsessive fear of death has nothing to do with self-reservation.
>2) the world will go uphill over time too.
Not in your life time and not until the hyper-dystopia gets so bad that it collapses and kills most everyone. After that, anyone who so much as mentions the technological system would probably get skinned alive by the survivors just to make an example, if any survivors remain at all. :^)

>>16844826
yes but it’s for jews only

>>16845048
By that logic everything from the internet to basic services should have been cut off and price out for that group a long time ago. People are not kept around because they are useful now. They are kept around because they might be useful eventually. It's like a mechanic having tools on hand that he may never use his whole career but he still has them because he -might- you are using the massive assumption they are looking at the you right now and assessing that as a person to be used, rather than the idea you could be stored away and of use later. Look over how the MAID services is working, they are making sure to only take the most bent and warp tools get removed, they have refused people that have some semblance of use, even if it's just what little taxes they could get from them, that's better than cutting now.

Also their is the ego thing. Why cull thralls that will worship you? Soros has claimed more than one he would loved to be worship. Be an easy thing to get if you held the keys to immortality.

That's the thing to remember with all this: they are still human.

>>16845060
>By that logic everything from the internet to basic services should have been cut off and price out for that group a long time ago.
No, because that stuff helped them squeeze more use out of you but now we're nearing the point where you're genuinely useless. Anyway, the levels of cope in your post are insane. It reads like a parody of the bargaining stage of grief. Your fear of your impending death is delicious.

>>16845052
>Your obsessive fear of death has nothing to do with self-reservation.
passing on the assumptions made, it's easy to talk the talk when it's not facing you head on. After all: you are still alive and claim the world is doomed. Why stay alive?

Also It's somewhat arrogant to just assume you know the future on ideas you haven't seen unfold.

>>16844826
I don't think soon. Maybe if a benevolent general ai goes online during our lifetime, but otherwise no. But I think in a few centuries the lifespan will be at least much longer and we might be unlucky that we are bound to the typical 70-80 year lifespan

Then also it's probably one thing to prevent a 25 year old body from aging and a different one to prevent an 80 year old body from dying. And a totally different to get an 80 year old fit and reverse aging. So if the tech becomes available when you're just another 90 year old demented president shitting your diapers it might be too late.

Recently I wondered what if it becomes possible to upload your counciousness into a
/pol/verse how would you know that it's you?

At the end of the day maybe you just die and a copy of you lives on on some harddrive, you wouldn't know. So preventing the biobody from aging is the only way but then the chance to die from an accident approaches 1 the longer you live.

Some /sci/tards cope by telling you that time is infinite and that it's certain that one day the exact same atoms will be used to form your body and that you will get reborn but I think it's just a cope. Infinity as a concept was made up for 40 iq simpletons who are too dumb to handle large numbers.

>>16845069
>now we're nearing the point where you're genuinely useless.
I'd argue that happen about 65 years ago but again, humans going to human.
> It reads like a parody
That's how I'm feeling with your posts anon, I only lay out hypotheticals but you are straw manning something that isn't their.
Fears of it is pointless anyway, you can't feel it when you are dead so why worry about it when you are alive?

>>16845071
>it's easy to talk the talk when it's not facing you head on.
That's what I said, retard.

>>16844826
Be careful what you wish for.

>>16844826
>immortality
no, but the wealthiest will be able to increase their lifespans by 20-30 years and have much higher quality of life into old age in the coming decades

>>16845103
>the wealthiest will be able to increase their lifespans by 20-30 years and have much higher quality of life into old age in the coming decades
Only because you're too much of a coward to do anything about it. Or maybe you even think it's their natural right as your superiors.

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>>16845111
I'll give you some of a recipe to it *fairly* cheaply right now. This is *nowhere close* to a "billionaires only" type of thing. Bryan Johnson got some expensive-ass gene therapy to supposedly give him more muscle and he's still victim weight, so don't believe the most expensive shit is the most effective...
>Vitamin A 1.5mg
>Thiamin 1mg
>Riboflavin 1mg
>Niacin 15mg
>P5P 30mg
>Methylfolate 1mg
>Methylcobalamin 100mcg
>NMN 300mg
>Biotin 500mcg
>Pantothenic Acid 5mg
>Vitamin C 500mg
>Vitamin D 3,000IU
>Vitamin E 15mg
>Iodine 800mcg
>Magnesium glycinate 200mg
>Zinc 15mg chelated
>Copper 3mg
>Iron 8mg
>Manganese 4mg
>Chromium 50mcg
>Vanadium 4mg (dosed once a week)
>Molybdenum 50mcg
>Selenium 200mcg
>Boron 6mg
>Red ginseng extract 600mg
>Berberine 500mg
>Fisetin 500mg
>Meclizine 25mg
>Bromelain 500mg
>Turmeric 1g (30 days on, 15 off)
>Rhodiola rosea 500mg
>Elderberry extract 1g
>Ashwagandha 300mg (30 days on 15 off)
>Astaxanthin 20mg
>Banaba extract 60mg
>PQQ 40mg
>Alpha lipoic acid 600mg
>NAC 1,200mg
>Glycine 3g
>Sulphoraphane 400mcg
>Alpha GPC 650mg
>Phosphatidylserine 80mg
>CoQ10 200mg
>Uridine monophosphate 60mg
>Methylene blue 5mg
>HMB 3g
>Ecdysterone 600mg
>Cordyceps mushrooms 1g
>Chokeberry extract 3g
>Blackcurrant extract 3g
>Acai extract 3g
>Collagen peptides 15g
>Extra virgin olive oil 15g
You can probably afford this stack if your finances are at least a bit above bennie-bucks tier.

>>16844986
>>16844988
I think that's invincibility and not immortality. It would be expected that you could still die. Personally I think being invincible would suck. After the sun explodes and the earth is gone you'd just be floating around aimlessly in space

>>16845030
I think they could still control people now by taking away their blood pressure medicine or something if they really wanted to. Some people take that stuff for half their life

>>16845156
I'd be happy with just the chance to live for hundreds of years, rather than worry about mental and physical decline starting at 40. Eventually you might tire of this existence and choose to go out willingly, who knows. The kind of "be careful what you wish for" immortality a genie grants you and then you can't die no matter what isn't really on the table. I'd still go for it in a heartbeat, but that is a decision you might live to regret.

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>>16845156
>Personally I think being invincible would suck. After the sun explodes and the earth is gone you'd just be floating around aimlessly in space
>2 billion years to solve the problem
>first space probes to leave the solar system (Voyager missions) launched like half a century ago and successfully made it into interstellar space decades later
Unless we put Elon in charge of evacuating Earth and colonizing a new star system, I think we'll probably get it all figured out in time.

>>16845182
>the last question

how would immortality affect birthrates, birth laws and neomalthusian thought?

what population of immortals could earth support?

>>16845119
can you send this somewhere to a company that makes a custom pill for you? i dont want to take 100 pills every day

What if immortality is the last thing invented through science, and everyone who believes in God just lets themself die naturally and then all the immortals are left behind in their perfect hell just waiting for the day they all finally get sick of each other?

>>16844826
only if you get christed
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic

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>>16844826
No, "we" are not because, as you can see, everytime this topic comes up the thread gets shitposted to the bump limit with religionfags and schizobabble.
There is real research into aging process happening and we(excluding you) will reap the rewards but in order to learn more about it you would have to bother reading actual publications and maybe even attend a seminar or course in person. Things WE all know 99% of posters ITT(including you) will never do.

>>16845019

Neurons are probably naturally "immortal". Or long lived enough to allow for the very slow regeneration rate to do its work (stem cell niche management could be a long term issue). Now glial degradation and slow failure will be our main topics here.

>>16844826
yes look at my post

>>16845052
>hyper-dystopia gets so bad that it collapses and kills most everyone

ill take my chances

>>16846695
You're going to be killed in the next 10 years, 100% guaranteed. I'm not talking about you there. I'm talking about whatever genetically engineered slave class they keep around when they finish cleaning up the trash.

>>16846700
ill live

>>16846707
LOL. No. I can almost imagine the shitting, pissing, vomiting, crying, screaming, begging and frothing that will ensue when you're forced to confront having to die soon.

>>16846718
the Indomitable Human Spirit
will keep me moving forward

>>16846756
>the Indomitable Human Spirit
Saying this about anti-aging copers is outright incoherent.

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>>16846758
>anti-aging copers
>when a metric fuck-ton of mouse papers have been published showing lifespan extension using largely interspecies sequence-conserved signaling pathways
>2025
kek'd

>>16846718
nta but living for only another ~50 years is what makes me not care about dying. It's such a ridiculously minuscule amount of time, of all the things a human can do and learn and see and so on I'm only going to be able to experience like 0.000001% of it. Even something simple like wanting to watch every movie that exists is impossible because you'd die before you got anywhere near the end. For whatever reason some people think that's how it should be, I have no idea why. If the human lifespan was 1000s of years then I'd probably care about dying much more

>>16844826
Yes.
Total Defeatist Death

>>16847178
>if only i could consoom more i would die happy
The Westroon mindset is sub-infantile.

YOU'RE ALL IDIOTS!! DON'T YOU REALIZE THIS IS NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA?

>>16847252
pretty hard to do anything in life without consuming things. I suppose you could just sit and stare at the wall all day until you die if you find that more mentally stimulating

>>16844826
Immortality is not ever going to be a thing. You can push human lifespan higher, but there will always be a hard limit based on brain chemistry. You can upload all of your thoughts and memories into a computer, but this is not you - it only mimics things that you would have done. This is all for the best, humans need to die so we can collectively inch forward. Sorry Westworld bros.

>>16847288
Eternally malcontent human cattle doesn't learn from the past.

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>>16847293

>but this is not you

Yes and? It has other interesting implications ...

>>16845000
Any treatment would first be tested on thousends of normal people to see if it works and is safe.

>>16847293
If you can rejuvinate any organ you can also rejuvinate the human brain.

>>16844826
>The magic robot will become God and send us all to Heaven
yes bro it's totally happening, and you know it's real this time because it's science. Buy Tesla stock

>>16847426
>Any treatment would first be tested on thousends of normal people to see if it works and is safe.
Under strict NDA, a violation of which will ruin not only your chance at rejuvenation but also the rest of your life. And it's safe to assume you won't be called in for the clinical trials.

No, we'll need to sacrifice billion more souls to moloch for the next few centuries in order to achieve this

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>>16847252
>>if only i could consoom more i would die happy
>The Westroon mindset is sub-infantile.
Unironically consooming a whole bunch of prophylactic pills can increase athletic performance, healthspan and lifespan if you're smart enough to look up which of them are snek oilz.

>>16847483
No assumptions are safe anymore. I just get on PubMed and look up bitchin-ass new research chemicals to start eating when they have favorable toxicology literature, fuck IRBs, kek.

>>16847601
>Unironically consooming a whole bunch of prophylactic pills can increase athletic performance, healthspan and lifespan
It doesn't matter. By definition, anti-aging copers will squander any additional chances at youth exactly the same way they squandered the first one. You are programmed to be miserable and to serve your masters in a desperate attempt to alleviate that misery.

>>16847613
Why do you hate life?

>>16847661
I don't hate life, but I do hate your dysgenic cult of eternal malcontents who will destroy everyone and everything just for another coom, always thinking the next coom will finally fill their void.

>>16847664
I don't get it. Are you Christian or something?

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>>16847678
>I don't get it.
Yes, because you lack basic self-reflection. Keep serving your masters and see what kind of reward you get. They're working real hard on all fronts to construct your technological heaven as we speak. :^)

>>16847681
>Keep serving your masters and see what kind of reward you get
i don't know what that means. I doubt the world is ever going to be perfect, I don't think anyone is expecting that.

I don't really why people think longevity medicine would only be available to wealthy people for evil purposes, there's medical treatments to help people live longer now that aren't restricted to the elite. Like why would they let anyone have diabetes medication if they wanted everyone to die? Or why would billions of dollars go to Alzheimer's research and so on.

>>16844826
Fuck, kill

>>16847483
>Under strict NDA, a violation of which will ruin not only your chance at rejuvenation but also the rest of your life. And it's safe to assume you won't be called in for the clinical trials.
Not how it works. You can't have a trial with thousends of random people (can't preselect as you need genetic diversity to test safety) and not expect details to leak on such a therapy.

>>16844826
Yea probably within 20 years

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>>16844826
>2041
>and all deaths are either murder or the product of a combustion reaction

>>16847748
gonna be lots of murdering once people start getting bored

Just speculating, but I think everyone that is already born are cooked. It will take genetic manipulation of the egg/sperm for bioimmortality

>>16847762
If we have the tech to manipulate genes to make fertilzed eggs immortal then we also have the tech to make existing people immortal.

>>16847764
You change the genome in one cell, then as it grows it spreads with all the cells. How would you change the genomes for all human cells? Ink ow about gene therapy, but that's localized and doesn't change the entire genome of the person

>>16847748
to be precise there are appointed scythes whose job is to kill in order to stabalize the population

>>16844826
40 years away from being 40 years away. Maybe if we put more resources into researching immortality than phone aps and gambling we might get there one day.

>>16847765
Whatever target you modify to address aging can be also be addressed with small molecules or peptides. An example of this would be the Yamanaka factors which, by themselves, can completely reverse aging in a given cell but we are already capable of using three out of four factors to partially reverse aging (in some organs at least for now) in mice.

>>16844826
guy on the right is 77

>>16844826
also immortality is a curse.

>>16847585
>china and india exist
we can do it

>>16847888
this meme needs to die

>>16847888
ok fag, just kys then

>>16844826
So what biology field would be the best to get into to help out in pursuing the reverse aging feat?
Genetics? Cell Biology? Molecular Biology?
Stem Cells seem to be out since funding for that is a mixed bag apparently due how easy it is to cause cancer with those things.
Which labs are worth following? What papers are worth reading?

>>16847967
Genetics for sure. And that goes hand in hand with molecular biology

>>16847955
explain why you think it isn't?

>>16847968
Yeah figured, and molecular is a no brainer. I keep forgetting that they lead to biogerontology.
Don't want to treat you like a LLM but is there any universities/labs that would be good to pursue long term? I heard that guy from Japan who won that Nobel prize ten years ago for stem cells lab was good but he retired and when the head of a lab retired well... ha.

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>>16847765
>How would you change the genomes for all human cells? Ink ow about gene therapy, but that's localized and doesn't change the entire genome of the person
CRISPR/Cas9 and viral vectors already get *fairly* close to this with CAR T-cells. But I'd stick to small molecules and peptides for anti-aging prophylaxis until that technology is *much* more mature.

>>16847779
>Yamanaka factors which, by themselves, can completely reverse aging in a given cell but we are already capable of using three out of four factors to partially reverse aging (in some organs at least for now) in mice.
Dr. Sinclair was co-author on a paper back in August claiming downstream GSTA4 induction is ack-shilly the rejuvenation mechanism and you can just skip the schizo yarmulke factors themselves. I'm cycling some GSTA4 inducers but not done looking for new interventions, kek.
>Reprogramming Factors Activate a Non-Canonical Oxidative Resilience Pathway That Can Rejuvenate RPEs and Restore Vision
>https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.08.30.673239v1.abstract

>>16847955
Immortality will never happen because physics. Negligible senescence will be slowly rolling out over the next century or so.

>>16847967

Senolytics and tissue niche remodeling. You want to get rid of chronic inflammation further, repair "scarring" from senescent cells (and kill any you find). Depending on the case you might need to stimulate the existing stem cell niche ... or not, it might just resume its normal job again. Rest is cancer monitoring but that is almost trivial.

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>>16848258
>Senolytics
>get rid of chronic inflammation
Both pretty useful.

>cancer monitoring
Also useful, but... how are we still stuck on this 90s meme!? Personally, I'm already on over a dozen chemoprophylaxis agents targeting everything from pussy-ass basal cell carcinoma up to the final onco-boss glioblastoma multiforme (and yeah, my OTC cocktail beats TMZ!). Ain't waiting for no damn vax, kek.

>>16844988
Aren't crabs essentially immortal but not invulnerable (eventually molting kills them, but not actual crab disease or old crab age).

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>>16844826
>Is it true that we're going to achieve immortality soon?

Curing baldness is 1,000,000 times easier than curing aging.
You see lots of 95 year old men with thick dark long hair?

>>16848280

Well, poisoning any abberant cells sounds nice on paper but these little fucks usually learn early to ignore any death signal. Right, at a certain dosage nothing will survive, not even the patient, right? The "logic" of chemotherapy is a bit laughable, might as well use leeches instead. Now as for prophylaxis, I doubt there is ... well, perhaps not an inhibitor specific enough to block certain genomic instability events from occuring, but rather one that does not have a bad set of off target effects. Generally, the whole medical sector is still stuck in the infancy of chemistry ... and the recent RNA approaches were nothing but a ridiculous attempt to push it more into biochemistry. But no need discussing the global competency crisis here ...

>>16848282
there's an immortal jellyfish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii

>>16844826
It really doesn't seem unfeasible, to be honest. Obviously the cultural and social implications will be utterly transformative - but the actual process itself does not seem remotely beyond our ability as a species, at least conceptually.

>>16848334
>Well, poisoning any abberant cells sounds nice on paper but these little fucks usually learn early to ignore any death signal. Right, at a certain dosage nothing will survive, not even the patient, right? The "logic" of chemotherapy is a bit laughable, might as well use leeches instead.
Lel, no. There are plenty of really toxic chemos that probably shouldn't even be FDA-approved, but there are also some really safe OTC supplement ones. The logic here is to rotate a large number of very non-toxic OTC chemo cycles targeting many diverse mechanisms of action, then your odds of ever having a tumor resistant to nastier chemos should go way down.

no

>>16844826
Never, immortality is fundamentally impossible. Everything must end. We will extend life span somewhat, but that is not the same as immortality.

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>>16849245
you know what he's saying, you're just retarded.

>>16849028

Ok, you make it sound not entirely unfounded. With a clever enough strategy it could make sense to broadly hit the organism periodically with compounds that would push cells gone off their program towards self destruction, or into a state where effective immune clearance could occur. Might even help clear senescent one from their niche.

>>16847483
yeah nobody has ever broken an NDA before

>>16847613
seems like you're mad at something other than people interested in anti aging

>>16848285
baldness is cured. A lot of men don't care

>>16844826
I wouldn’t try for it have fun though I prefer hell gulag don’t worry I’ll dump you on the moon

>>16844841
>depopulate the planet
Meanwhile others say "cabal" is promoting population growth using mass migration of retards who breed all day so they have their goycattle. Which is true?

>>16847967
>>16847995
The truth is that no one is too sure at the moment and there are researchers from pretty diverse backgrounds, all doing important stuff. My personal view is that, fundamentally, we need to discover or engineer drugs/therapies that will make us healthier, and so lab sciences focused on methods of discovery that actually use biological models to validate their ideas are the way to go. More specifically, this usually translates to "labs that test drugs for life extension in animals like worms, flies, or mice." "Drugs" could mean small molecule drugs or more experimental stuff like RNA therapeutics or other genetic interventions. The Peter Attia episode with Matt Kaeberlein and RIchard Miller is a good layman's intro to this sphere of research.

On the other end, I believe that organ replacement might be even more effective than "traditional" drug discovery in the short term. There are many labs working on, for example, immunologically engineering pigs so that we can put their organs in humans without rejection. I'm less familiar with this sphere but the Belmonte lab at Salk had some really cool studies in this area.

Are you an undergrad looking to pursue the topic? Specific fields I would recommend are Molecular Biology, Biochemistry, Physiology, Pharmacology, Systems Biology, etc. Computer science/computational biology are both great and these people do really important work, but most of them are stuck theorizing about stuff and not able to actually test ideas unless they have enough clout to get lab people on their side and do stuff for them. If you really want to make a mark, I would lean towards lab sciences.