What does a collapse of bee populations actually mean for the future?I've been reading climate change but I am skeptical about how much temperature increases affect us.I am told that pollinator populations are far more severe of an impact though.
>>16846092its wild bees that are dying (which is still pretty bad) but honey bees are mostly fine with human management and allif the worry is crops getting fertilized couldnt farmers just start putting honeybee hives in their fields? if he dosent give a fuck about the honey the bees can practically feed themselves if its not a fuckhuge field and they can get to surrounding plants inebwteen flowerings, and if it is that big of a field just give them some honey or sugar water
>bee me>die>world ends
>>16846521Sounds absurdWe cant replace a species with just hives in the corner of a field.
>>16846702This. We can artificially do farms, of course, because we know where they are. We can not save the wild honey tree however.
Bump. Interesting topic
>>16846092Honey bees are an invasive species like rats or pigeons. They’re not going extinct any time soon. Native bees are a different story
>>16848762Red pill us on the honey native dichotomy anon
>>16848833Native bees are a lot more susceptible to pesticides or habitat destruction than honey bees and are much better at pollinating plants native to their areas than introduced honey bees. Western honey bees aren’t actually responsible for pollinating 100% of our food like people say. The idea we would go extinct without them is bullshit. They can also be actively harmful to native ecosystems by outcompeting native bees, robbing nectar from flowers without pollinating them, and can even drive out larger animals like birds and mammals by occupying the tree hollows those animals need
>>16846521having some hives year round on your farm only works if there's year round flowers to feed them. industrial operations like to have giant retard monocultures. like a 1000 hectares of almonds or oranges with nothing but gras underneath. those are practically deserts for any pollinators and ecosystems in general. one huge bloom for a few weeks and then nothing for the rest of the year. they accommodate for that with commercial beekeppers loading trucks full with thousands of hives and trucking them from one end of the country to the other for the big commercials blooms. of cause that stresses them, moves diseases around and the monocultures are full of pesticides on top. kills of the bee hives and is even more devastating for the native pollinators.the solution is to grow food in smaller, more diverse systems with plenty of habitat for native wildlife and fewer agrochemicals.
>>16846521Its an insect brah it can speciate again easy as hell
>>16846092Wind does the same
>>16846092Bee popularism never collapse because humans make money from honey.Capitalism solves all problems. There are no market failures or externalities. All societal ills not a result of nature are managed by state regulations.>chinks eating rhinos, poaching of rhinos, rhinos going extinctGovernment regulations prohibit rhino farming, preventing sustainable supply of rhino horns for chinks to snort. Well done statist, played yourselves.
>>16851678>farm only works if there's year round flowers to feed them.Honey bees are well known for their intolerance to seasonal fluctuations in food supply and amassing their namesake, honey which they do for no reason at all.>one huge bloom for a few weeks and then nothing for the rest of the year.If only there was a way to store that energy.>they accommodate for that withHives cost money. The more you keep the higher your costs. You could keep your hive in one place all year and harvest a few weeks of nectar from orange trees, then gain nothing for the rest of the year.Or you could bus the hives to different fields as they bloom, ensuring a much longer honey building season. = more money per hive.>cause that stresses them, moves diseasesDomestic honey bees are predisposed to disease because they’ve been selectively bred to maximise honey production. Wild type honey bees are more disease resistant than domestics.Disease susceptibility of honey bees will eventually be solved genetically, be it selective breeding, genetic engineering, or simple natural selection wiping out domestic types like the Gros Michel banana.> the solution is to grow food in smaller, more diverse systems with plenty of habitat for native wildlife and fewer agrochemicals.I don’t think so. But so long as you don’t demand the state enforce your idea, I’m happy for people to try it out. I think robots and genetic engineering is the way. But perhaps your way will turn out to be the cheapest.Frankly I’m just sick of environmentalists using their religion to justify state intervention in the market.
>>16852226Yep. This argument defeats all “humans causing extinctions” complaints.
>>16846092this was a media hoaxhttps://www.google.com/search?q=bee+collapse+media+hoax
>>16846092Moths pollinate during night so its not THAT bad (it is but what can one do).
>>16851678Where I live some bee keepers roll around their hives to visit farmers who have something in bloom. Farmers get free pollination, bee keepers get more honey. This can work with mono fields to some extent.
