What's the biological reason for the human brain to find AI stuff so revolting?It's not the uncanny valley because the uncanny valley makes you feel uneasy - AI shit just makes you angry.
>>16849833>What's the biological reason for the human brain to find AI stuff so revolting?It's not "AI stuff" that's revolting. It's the horde of spiteful mutants that keep peddling it. Just like animals kill deformed offspring or abandon their runts, so do humans with natural sensibilities feel instinctive disgust when faced with the miserable, deformed and talentless mass that cheers on the final step of the descent into a "culture" where anything human and authentic is not only replaced with cheap corporate ersatz, but taken to be as good as the real thing.
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>>16849833That's just you. Probably a learned association.
>>16849833eh works in my machine
>>16849865>>16849880>not having a real human brain
>>16849833It's just you. If AI art looks good enough, I don't feel any anger or uneasiness at all
>>16849887>AI artThis doesn't exist.>I don't feel any anger or uneasiness at allYou're probably an NPC, thoughbeit.
I believe that an essential part of art is a certain amount of struggle and effort. A creative act should not be cheap or painless. It should cost something. If you learned that Leonardo da Vinci painted the Mona Lisa in an hour and didn't care at all about the end result, or if you heard that he got a robot or artificial intelligence to do it for him, then wouldn't you feel cheated? Art should be the fruit of an effort. If there is no effort, it is not art. It requires practicing skills, identifying and nurturing talent, time, energy and commitment. Part of being human is doing things we care about; If the matter comes to us too easily, we have not demonstrated that we seriously care about it. If the thing we have created does not reflect the time and care that went into its creation, it is worthless - at least as a monument to human endeavor, because that is simply not what it is. What results here is a kind of propaganda porn. In general, AI images have an essentially pornographic character or "spirit," regardless of their content. What I mean by this is their glaring over-perfection, their hyper-realism in the service of exaggerated wishful thinking and extreme stimulating effects. In this context, the numerous appeals of online rightwingers to turn to a real, healthy, self-sufficient life close to nature are unintentionally ironic. Here form and content simply do not match. The memes present and propagate a pure, exaggerated fantasy world whose mechanical character is unmistakable. This means that they are also participating in the general trend towards the dissolution of reality through digital images and stimuli that are pumped into people's brains practically without interruption via ubiquitous screens.
>>16849833AI generated content typically has this very specific noise in it. Even when the noise isn't consciously visible it's still subconsciously present. When you see a video you don't expect noise, and when it's there it's usually because of a shitty camera, so we automatically associate it with low quality videos.
>>16849895Good art is effortless. "AI" art is an oxymoron.
>>16849833what the fuck kind of garbage thread is this?is anybody seeing this?
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>>16849889>This doesn't exist.You know what I mean.>You're probably an NPC, thoughbeit.Maybe. But there isn't any reason for it to make me respond with anger or uneasiness, so it doesn't
>>16849889>>16849932there aren't NPCs
as convenient as that would be
>>16849932>You know what I mean.Do you mean the meaningless slop generated by flawed statistical models of the way humans arrange and combine visual elements?>there isn't any reason for it to make me respond with anger or uneasinessYou might as well turn off the spam filter in your email service, then. No reason for mundane paragraphs of text to generate any kind of negative reaction, either.
dopamine shitflinging thread
>>16849833jews successfully convinced the goyim that ai is bad and that only gods chosen should have access to it.
>>16849946>jews successfully convinced the goyim that ai is bad and that only gods chosen should have access to it.This is an orthogonal issue. You can play around with the goymaxxed spam generator all you want. In fact, you're encouraged to do their bidding and pollute your own cultural/informational space as much as possible. Anything useful they will keep to themselves to ensure informational superiority over their cattle.
>>16849833>AI shit just makes you angry(YOU) issue. Seek free therapy online.
>>16849956>In fact, you're encouraged to do their bidding and pollute your own cultural/informational space as much as possible. Anything useful they will keep to themselves to ensure informational superiority over their cattle.this is true
>>16849861You sound like you lost everything on NFTs because you had FOMO after Bitcoin.
>>16849978>nonsensical and bizarrely specific accusationObvious projection.
>>16849900>Good art is effortless. Real Art takes struggle, Grasshopper.Real Artists make it appear effortless.
>>16849980>he knowsKek.
>>16849833There's no biological reason. It's programmed by so called aliens time traveling to prevent a bad future.
>>16849981The process of mastering an art form can be a struggle, to a degree exactly proportional to your ignorance and lack of artistry. You have not mastered the art until it becomes effortless.
>>16849990The moment your art became effortless is the moment you stopped making art, Padawan.Self-derivative, maybe. Commercial success, possibly.Art?Kek, no.
>>16849990Lol you are so dumb. Yeah, Michelangelo didn’t put any effort in.
In 1994, school children met aliens and were telepathically given feelings about technology, that it's something dirty, bad.
>>16849996>>16849997>retards who have never mastered any skills spouting their head canon about how dead people and imaginary artist characters in their head felt while making artVile.
>>16850012>max cap in all stats>suck it newbs>my kd ratio hangs lowsHysterical.
>>16850015Anyone who has ever mastered any skill can immediately tell you're a mentally ill retard. You're really just banking on the fact that most posters here are human trash like you and can't call you out.
i'll kill everybody in here
>>16850016But you have never mastered any skill.You know not of what you speak.Bitch.
>>16849833Ingroup vs outgroup biasing. When you use chatgpt you're consenting to permit it into your personal ingroup. When it violates every ingroup norm your social flag is activated, prompting you to cast it into the outgroup. The problem is that this is an omnipresent individual whom you cannot exile. So your anger is coping. Not an insult since it happens to all of us.
>>16850021Name one skill you’ve mastered besides being a retarded faggot, that one I see comes naturally to you
>>16850021I've mastered the piano and cello to a concert level and composed music good enough to win competitions. I'm also fairly competent at an assortment of random shit. I'm more than qualified to inform your retarded ass that if you're exerting yourself, you either don't know what you're doing at all (which is fine and inevitable for a beginner getting his bearings), or there is a flaw in your approach (and the beginning of a bad habit that will cripple you down the line), or you are lacking in some more fundamental skill. Never in my life has my practice benefited from "trying harder". Instead, I've discovered time and time again that if I treat effort as a problem to be solved and simply address the root causes of the underlying physical and mental tensions, it not only makes my practice flow effortlessly and my learning more effective, but the lightness of body and mind make it possible to lose myself in the activity and spontaneously perform feats that seemed almost impossible before.Now, I'm not a fucking Beethoven or a Da Vinci, but you have to be an imbecile to suppose that their process was less like the graceful states I've experienced and more like the beginner's tedious fumbling.
>>16849833>What's the biological reason for the human brain to find AI stuff so revolting?There isn't. You're probably some tranny furry artist who's mad that AI took your """"job""""
>>16850042You’re describing a genius like ramanujan or von Neumann… I assure you that you’re nowhere near them lol
>>16850042So you are "good" at a few things, and admit you could do "better" with more work and practice.Quite the apprentice, you are. You might have a seat on this council one day.
>>16850052No, retard. I'm describing what it takes to achieve a high-level of mastery of any skill. Granted, not everyone masters the art of practice itself to the same degree. Most will never completely unfuck themselves from the mental self-abuse prescribed by Western ideals and continue to treat themselves like the unskilled beasts of burden for whom those ideals were intended. But anyone doing anything at a high level could attest to situations in their own practice where my words perfectly apply, as well as to the fact that their frequency grows with mastery. The better you get, the more you realize "effort" is a fallacious concept that conflates tension and frustration with dedication and persistence. What good can resentfully trudging through self-prescribed chores do for your art? What possible logic can support this? It's pure delusion.
>>16850064>t. jealous cretinSpiteful mutants like you, with no skills or talents of any kind, simply like the idea of their betters suffering and wish they could take away any joy and comfort from the process of creation.
>>16850064>>16850075Come to think of it, you even stated as much at the beginning, with that mindless diatribe about how you only value art if it was a chore for its creator. This is the kind of drivel you hear from middle-class malcontents trying to simulate idiotic blue collar mentality.
>>16849833Here's an explanation I just made up: when a human makes something, there is a feedback loop, as the creator perceives the creation. This allows for refinement to a sort of local maximum, or a resonance if you will, in some vast and many-dimensional space. Technical skill allows the resonance to be more closely approached, but the initial vision and the creator's characteristics determine what resonances may be approached at all. An AI lacks this. It doesn't know where the resonance is, because there is no feedback, because the "AI" perceives nothing, even if it was initially trained on quality material. It can't possibly refine its "creation" to reach a high point where it becomes good and activates neurons. The result is, instead, something that a human would never create, which seems rather dead/wrong/soulless/weird to us. Or at least to some of us...
>>16850072>It's pure delusion.You’re rambling about art and effort on a science board. Do you know the second law of thermodynamics? There is no such thing as effortless. You’re retarded.
>>16850096I mog you at science just like a mog you at everything else, but maybe if you put more effort into it, your receding incel jaw will finally develop to its full potential, Mr. I Was Smart But Lazy.
>>16850097You’ve got me confused for you. I crushed my smart but lazy peers through diligence and study. You peaked in high school and brag about how you won 2nd place at a piano recital 10 years ago.
>>16850101Two More Weeks and you'll start putting in all that effort you keep talking about and finally turn your life around. Maybe you can even blame my demoralizing influence to explain to yourself why you're putting it off again instead of committing fully to the sigma grindset. Nothing like a jealous and contemptible retard to remind me that you either have it or you don't and that's it.
>>16850115Erm, try 20 years ago, not 2 more weeks. I’m not jealous you effortlessly beat your peers in Wisconsin in a ballet dance you fag. It sounds like you’re a big fish in a small pond. I’m sure you’ve been called a big boy before, haven’t you.
>>16850021>>16850028>>16850042>>16850097>>16850101>>16850115>>16850123shiiiiiiet nigga
>>16850123>I’m not jealousYou sure are. But it's ok. Two More Weeks and you'll master a skill or two, then we can discuss this as equals. In the meanwhile, go watch another motivational video, obvious loser. Either way, my point stands completely unchallenged: trying hard never helped anyone accomplish anything and there's not a single, logical reason why mastering a skill, let alone practicing a skill you've mastered, should involve any tensions and frustrations.
>>16850131t. 15 year old that got into Sam Hyde 10 years late
>>16850140>another low IQ bants attemptDon't care. >>16850042 and >>16850072 stand unchallenged.
>>16850142Beethoven was deaf and composed music. I’d like to see you paint while blind.
>>16850145not rlyhe went deaf but he learned how to compooooose while he could hearnot really surprising he could still "hear" it in his head, I'm a very dogshit musician and I can do that, frankly there's no real need for an elite composer to hear shitim not your gay friend from the last 50 posts btw fyi desu fr
>>16850145Your point, retard?
>>16850151You’re the one that said Beethoven had an easier time with music than you, and the man was deaf. I think it has to do with your small brain perhaps.
>>16850154but he wasnt deaf when he learned all that shit, please reply to my frogpost you silly faggot, lest you be plagued by additional frogs (rather biblical, if I do say so), it's a very pertinent and indeed sublimely important point
>>16850154>You’re the one that said Beethoven had an easier time with music than you, and the man was deafMhm. And your point, retard? Expressing anything substantial is too much effort, huh? :^)
>>16850158For you obviously, but you make a tremendous effort to use the keyboard despite your obvious mental disability. Oh wait, it comes effortlessly to you Mr genius
>>16850172>mentally ill retard keeps going back to his 80 IQ attempts at bants Don't care. >>16850042 and >>16850072 stand unchallenged.
>>16849833Animals are wired to be cautious of shit that doesn't look or sound quite right because it's usually indicative of a predators, disease, injury, etc. Unease about AI slop is just a symptom of that.
>>16850196>AI slop is indicative of diseaseChecks out.
>>16850191I already obliterated you by tricking you into admitting that it took effort for you to reach Beethovens level. You’re literally 3 replies behind btw.
>>16850204>I already obliterated you by tricking you into admitting that it took effort for you to reach Beethovens levelYou sound legit psychotic. No amount of effort is ever going to make me a Beethoven, just like no amount of effort is ever going to make you as good as I am at the things I do. Effort does nothing.
>>16850207Okay, but science says otherwise. Your children will be slaves to my family mind you, and we will extract effort from your bloodline and they will be thankful by the way.
>>16850212>psychosis peakingAbsolutely mindbroken.
>>16849897Rather than noise it's a distribution of frequencies in the image. Real images have a specific statistical distribution, there are even actual algos based on it that do a surprisingly good job reconstructing images from very noisy data (iirc Applied Science on youtube has a decent video about it) but I guess AI makes it too close to perfect, and while we're not equipped to directly perceive it, it's still a pattern we can tell, so with just a bit of experience it becomes easy to tell most AI slop from real pictures even if you can't put a finger on what exactly is wrong with it.
