>>16850183
>Is Calculus really treated as its own subject in American schools?
yeah

American schools generally cover calculus at three levels:
Calc 1 is limits, differentiation and basic integration
Calc 2 is techniques for integration, series and convergence
Calc 3 is multivariate calculus, partial derivatives, vector theorems
These are generally limited to college courses, but I'd say around a third to a half of US schools do offer the equivalent of Calc 1 to advanced students.

>>16850183
>>16850192
>90% of the angloidsphere doesn't know what a derivative is
Kek. No wonder Russia and China and taking over.

>>16850188
>>16850192
Interesting. Makes me wonder why the UK education system put so little focus on calculus. Are we a nation of retards or is it just not all that important?

>>16850197
Calculus isn't a standard requirement in China or Russia either. I think there's like one or two countries in Southeast Asia that require it to be introduced, but it's only assessed on college entrance exams.

The exception is private, technical high schools which may make it a required part of the curriculum, but schools like that are found in every country.

>>16850197
Almost like it's bullshit irrelevant to 90% of peoples lives?

>>16850205
>Calculus isn't a standard requirement in China or Russia either
Wrong. Calculus is standard in most of the developed world for highschoolers. Hopefully one day the angloo sphere pulls itself up by the bootstraps and joins human civilization.

>>16850201
It's just not regarded as a critical math skill for people graduating secondary education in any country except for students planning to pursue technical degrees.

Personally, I'd argue that secondary education is a bit too proof-heavy and we'd be better off focusing on introducing ideas from calculus as well as concepts from statistics that get glossed over by high school classes.

Proofs are important for a lot of complex problem-solving skills, but shouldn't come at the expensive of pretty fundamental concepts in mathematics (rates of change, accumulation, local minimums and maximums, probabilities, distributions, expectations and variance, etc.) that have farther-reaching practical applications.

>>16850201
im american, always assumed yall were all doing calculus in high school like it was nothing, and starting real analysis freshman year of uni

>>16850210
>Calculus is standard in most of the developed world for highschoolers.
Not in the way that OP is describing where it's dedicated subject matter. Classes in France, Germany, Italy, and I think Netherlands have calculus concepts introduced as part of the standard secondary curriculum, but their schools also mix and match topics within each semester a lot more whereas American schools usually focus on single topics.

My understanding is also that secondary education in many of these countries is still a tiered system where you get filtered into one of several tracks after middle school (vocational, technical, college prep, etc.) and if you aren't doing well enough at the end of middle school to get onto one of those tracks you're just shit out of luck. So while secondary school tracks in these countries preparing students for university studies in math, engineering, or science might require calculus, most tracks don't.

>>16850225
It's not touched on whatsoever for high schoolers. Age 17 - 18 in the UK is College or Sixth Form where most first encounter it, and I don't think its in any particular depth either. The UK has an aversion to maths in general. The prime minister before this one announced a law to make studying maths until you're 18 mandatory and it was really controversial to the point it probably won't even get passed.

>>16850240
Calculus for American highschools is by no means mandatory. It entirely depends on if you take AP classes or if your highschool even offers AP classes in the first place. The majority of American highschoolers never go above Algebra II, which is basically factoring polynomials, synthetic division, logarithms, etc.

On the other hand Calculus is mandatory for STEM degrees. Any engineering degree will require between 2 and 3 of the calc classes >>16850192, compsci typically goes up to calc 2, and biology depends, but usually it's calc 1. Most of this is leftover from the 50s and 60s when the space race was happening and there was a push to strengthen math/science education in the average American school.

>>16850211
>secondary education is a bit too proof-heavy and we'd be better off focusing on introducing ideas from calculus as well as concepts from statistics that get glossed over by high school classes.
Eurofags are really doing proofs in their first couple years of college? Besides you do realize that calculus is just real analysis with none of the proofs, i.e. computing integrals and limits rather than proving their properties. What do you even prove?

>>16850209
>Almost like 90% of people are too dumb to do anything relevant with it.
ftfy

>>16850183
Stabdard American math works like this:
>basic arithmetic concepts until about 7th or 8th grade
>pre-algebra
>algebra
>geometry
This is where about half of high school kids stop.
>algebra 2
>Trig
A small minority of high school kids go beyond this point
>pre calc
>calc
This is almost exclusively the purview of secondary schooling. Unless you have a specific reason to go past this point then you almost certainly will not.

I was offered stats as an elective in high school which counted towards elective credita and not math credits for some reason.

If you are on a STEM track then you'd better get calculus in HS, or the doors will really close. Even in a country like UK it must be offered somewhere.

>>16850183
Yes, sort of. You can generally take Calculus your senior year of high school if you skip Pre-Algebra in grade 7 or some shit.

currently failing calculus. got 20% on both my exams.
AMA.

>>16850330
What are you struggling to understand?

calculus makes shit like compound interest easy as fuck to understand which is why it's not taught in the us/uk like it is in asia

>>16850192
this is all highschool stuff in my country wtf

>>16850382
At least in my (American) school district, you needed 2 math classes throughout your entire high school career to graduate. So you could theoretically just take two semesters in your freshman year and never touch math again.

>>16850183
Germans invented calculus, newton stole it

Speaking of which. Why did the american public reject the new math from the Sputnik crisis? Surely there was still a white majority back then in the 60s. Was this new math really harder than current european standard?

>>16850393
this is a typical selective undergrad entrance college exam in France (out of highschool with some prep)
https://www.ens.psl.eu/sites/default/files/19_mpi_mathd_sujet.pdf
feel free to compare with the SAT...

>>16850408
and here are some typical prep exercises covering just the first part of the algebra program
https://store.cassini.fr/img/tdm/FGN-nlle-serie-vol-1-TdM.pdf
full program:
https://store.cassini.fr/img/compagnons/PLAN-FGN.pdf