Whether you've been a psychiatric patient or someone who has worked in psychiatry, what do you think of psychiatry?Is it moral to forcibly drug patients? Or should patients have the right to choose whether they take antipsychotics, since these drugs have a lot of downsides, like movement problems, heart problems, cholesterol problems, etc?
it would be based if it was done by 130iq> white males socialised during the Cold War Baby Boomers.it is cringe if it is done by 'doctors' norming to a 113iq, most of which are female, and innoculated with cultural marxism
>>16850458the experience is extremely dehumanizing, it gets even worse when you see that in some nord euro countries they don't even lock u up or drug you
Irl antipsychotics are mostly used to sedate people and geriatrics, not to combat psychosis. this class of substances should be discontinued until new treatments have been found that dont turn you into a fat, complacent retard with parkinson's
>>16850461I was a psych patient (against my will) and I don't think the female doctors were worse than the male doctors. All of them were insistent that I take drugs which I didn't want.>>16850462Yes, being an involuntary psych patient is a bit shit. I was one myself a few years ago.>in some nord euro countries they don't even lock u up or drug youThey are lucky then. I've been thinking that perhaps it should be allowed to lock up a person if they really are a genuine risk to others, because the public should be kept safe. But maybe forcible drugging just shouldn't be allowed anymore. I didn't mind being locked up myself so much - it was annoying but not too bad. I did mind the forcible drugging though, because I (like nearly everyone I imagine) want to be in control of my own mind. Not to mention the side effects caused by antipsychotics.
>>16850458I have worked in what is, in many ways, a psychiatry-adjacent field; working with the mentally and developmentally disordered who regularly were institutionalized in wards.It's largely flippety flop stuff where a combination of institutional and commercial interests dictate what the primary treatment is, even if it lacks any evidence base. It was compeltely normal for my clients to cycle between the ward and the group home for years and even when that wasn't happening, most of the people in the group home were put, mostly on anti-psychotics, for reasons that I personally couldn't see. None of them laughed, none of them really socialized, they were all just existing.Psychiatric pseudoscience is also the fallout effect of psychology being a pseudoscience more generally.I don't think there's one single major psychiatric label that isn't problematic, incoherent or just the result of commercial interests.Depression and anxiety are massively overdiagnosed because I've seen plenty of people getting such diagnoses when they clearly are suffering from external issues. But many obv. will claim that it's about helping them but I have trouble understanding how they're being helped with drugs that make them robotic.In our group home, we had plenty of clients who were labelled as autistic but it was clear, really sometimes it was written in their patient files, that they were just brain-damaged. Obviously, an autism diagnoses comes with lots of yummy anti-psychotics and plenty of these guys seem to have been put on them perpetually since they were 4 or 5 years old. That these guys rage all the time because they were given the drugs, that's something no one seems to get.
And so, I did end up asking, when news occassionally reaches you over some Special education kid raging and battering his aid, why exactly it isn't mentioned that these kids are often on a dozen different prescription drugs? Because that strikes me as very relevant. 4chan occassionally makes fun of these morbidly obese kids who are stuck in sped ed but really, so much of this is just down to these kids being pumped full with drugs. So we're making fun of kids for things they have no control over because a number of psychologists etc. just prescribe anti-psychotics or neuroleptics too easily. Yes, anti-psychotics were invented to prevent the onset of acute psychosis and to break up psychosis when it manifested, but it's a shockingly low number of people who really get that kind of psychosis and often they're also damaged in some way. But for most it seems that you're put on anti-psychotics solely because they believe it modifies your behavior. But it usually doesn't. And when it does, it makes it worse.
>>16850477I should add; Psychologists can't prescribe drugs but really, so much of that prescribing shit thing is down to psychologists and nurses believing this and that.
>>16850473>>16850477>>16850478thank you.
>>16850458The most notable thing about psychiatrists is that they all suffer from extreme delusions of self-importance. They talk to patients with barely hidden contempt that immediately floats to the surface if there's any kind of disagreement or conflict. Empathy is minimal or absent in this subspecies - the best they can do is "professional". They are ridiculously greedy but they believe they deserve every penny, like they're doing intricate brain surgery, when they're really just going through checklists and throwing shit at the wall. Psychiatric drugs don't work, except by way of sedating you and dulling your mind. Most of them do nothing at all except for giving you side-effects.Verdict: psychiatry is a scam and should be outlawed.
I'm not a psychiatrist but I'm a psychologist and I thought that it was wild that the Counseling program at my graduate school did not require any neuroscience courses. (No I am not a counseling psychfag).
>>16850495>I'm a psychologist>the Counseling program at my graduate school did not require any neuroscience coursesMakes sense given how neuroscience degenerates into irrelevant hand-waving when you try to apply its low-level knowledge on the high level of complex behaviors.
>>16850489all true, except for the meds not working, zyprexa stopped my voices
>>16850567>zyprexa stopped my voicesDid it cure your schizophrenia?
>>16850458>what do you think of psychiatry?Has always been a way of legitimizing abuse and torture. >Is it moral to forcibly drug patients?Only psychiatrists are so evil as to struggle with the question of whether or not castrating and lobotomizing people against their will is moral.
>>16850478Nice blame shifting. Shift the responsibility away from the people responsible for forcing chemical torture drugs (a fact) onto strangers to someone without that authority.You're locked in a bias towards authority and don't even see it.
>>16850593>Nice blame shifting. There's no blame shifting involved. Psychologists aren't medical doctors so in most places they can't actually prescribe stuff. Psychiatrists prescribe things based on reports made by psychologists and since psychiatrists have only little time dealing with their patients, it's possible for psychologists to abuse that system, especially if they're linked to an institution which strategically employs such drugs.
>>16850627And anyway. It's easy to blame the cogs in the machine when the problem is structural. It isn't your psychologist or psychiatrist who has captured psychiatric organizations, the FDA, the CDC (or any equivalent organization in your country) and has set up a pseudo-scientific system of labels and diagnoses based on questionaires so as to market drugs to you as quickly as possible. Drugs are cheap, they keep you drowsy or oozing out of your mouth and if you quit them, the addiction-forming properties guarantuee that you either start taking them or land in a ward.Insurance has to pay less for them than for shitty therapy that won't work anyway and they have unfathomable cost versus profit ratios so that thoser involved in it cash in big. And since, for some reason, people believe big in this whole schizo, depri, ADHD autism shtick, even on 4chan even if they can't differentiate between them at all, this isn't going to change because it's basically a new religion now.
>>16850588>that picTragic. But yes I think doctors can be arrogant. It's the attitude I saw when I was a patient in mental hospital. Some doctors were definitely less arrogant than others, but one doctor in particular was quite arrogant. He was sure that his advice to me was 100% correct and I was just an idiot.I think modern psychiatric drugs can have some beneficial effects but there are clearly negative effects too. Antipsychotics can cause things like restlessness and muscle spasms (facial spasms, known as tardive dyskinesia, can become permanent), as well as the growth of breast tissue, and negative effects upon the heart and blood (clozapine can reduce white blood cell count).I hope psych patients in the future can have their wishes respected when it comes to medication.
I have a very low opinion about psychiatrists because I tried seeking help for OCD intrusive thoughts about violence, and my shrink (or someone with access to my medical records) reported me to the police illegally (I wasn’t a threat to anyone), and I got kicked out of college because it was a college shrink reporting me to college police.Never trust a shrink with your most personal thoughts. They are one anonymous police tip away from ruining your life.
>>16850458>Whether you've been a psychiatric patient or someone who has worked in psychiatry, what do you think of psychiatry?Reading stuff like Foucault should be mandatory to get a degree; to a large extent they need to treat psychiatry like fictionalists treat morality, the failure to do so is what makes the field so inssuferable to many patients and what brought about many of the historical horrors we all know and love.>Is it moral to forcibly drug patients? Or should patients have the right to choose whether they take antipsychotics, since these drugs have a lot of downsides, like movement problems, heart problems, cholesterol problems, etc?Depends, mostly right to chose, the exception being when one could ascertain the incapability of the person to make decisions for themselves (with a standardized cross-cultural test, not a retard's or committee of retards' opinion) and the drug would made them able to make the decision, if drugs don't help then its up to the family to decide, just like how we treat children.
>>16850660Is the capability test some hypothetical syllogisms about your body? https://canlii.ca/t/29npj would pass.
>>16850574no, it stopped the voices though, which is a blessing
>>16850510>generic dismissive hand-waving replydismissive hand-wanking gesture.jpgRegardless, about all of that cohort were radical feminists anyway so they already believed that their personal opinions superseded and carried more veracity than anything within arm's reach of empirical observation. One of them used to be a lawyer in Russia and had gotten into counseling /for the money/ lol when you're lucky to get like $40k/year starting IF that.
bipolar anon herebring back the long term schizo state hospitals they were far more humane than whatever is going on now
>>16851249And now you're probably on a pension with your suppressed impulses, motivation. Hope you don't get sick of it as over time your neglected PFC will decay leaving you with poorer impulse regulation than before.. Taking drugs, expecially neuroleptics is a significant commitment, there should be more effort to investe other routes of management, solution (nutrition).Id have probably murdered my shrink if id foreseen the dramas, these doctors don't have a clue what they're doing.. absolutely hearken to their claims with doubt.Its simple, drugs have no nutritional value they trick the mind, amphetamines via activating sympathetic dig into reserve nutrient stores while the SSRIs and neuroleptics suppress impulsesNutrition provides fuel for better functioning, e.g. tryptophan>serotoninfuck psychiatry, kill it. Those cunts create the real imbalance.
Just got out.Bad. You would not believe. African staff all of them. UKfag. They killed someone's fucking dog and cooked it for breakfast on the ward. Can't say shit, I'm just crazy and delusional. I didn't say anything. There's no-one to say it to. I don't function on these fucking meds. Zaponex. I used to be an athlete. You never feel anything. Not gonna ramble too long. Just stay out. Oh, and dark matter isn't real it's just that space has a center and everything shrinks as it moves deeper into space because space is fractal so that's why everything looks like its speeding up. Most fundamental unit is a photon which is actually an eye and does have mass. Matter is condensed light. Also black holes aren't holes it's a purple and a green star spinning around each other at roughly 50x the speed of light. They can't be forced together so they spin and give us a gravity field to have a galaxy in. One star for Kings and another for immortals. There's something in the center of stars that actually repels normal gravity and if you can mine a bit of that you can put it in your ship and then your ship just floats without needing anything to keep it up so you can use light focused with sound for propulsion and get waaaay past lightspeed but obviously the engineering will take us like forever but that's how it's done. Teleportation is possible too but I don't understand that shit at all. Wormholes are real, no idea. As far as aliens go... we'll there's some badass shit out there but we kind of have protectors so.. all good. Nuclear testing destroyed some of our atmosphere and that's what's responsible for global warming. Was it done on purpose...? I'm not a scientist. Who would do that.
>>16851941What makes mental health nursing so appealing to Africans? I was in reception when a group of students were getting their IDs checked, they were all African.Personally I get fed up when I can't understand their accents but I've met some good foreign nurses and OT staff.The psychologists are British, they are usually very good because the jobs are so competitive to get into. Psychology is a popular degree but there don't seem to be many career options. A support worker at my supported accommodation has a masters degree but is earning min wage looking after schizos like me. Modern Britain doesn't seem to offer a decent standard of living even for graduates.
>>16850458I think psychiatry is worthwhile but the consultants get paid too much. At the end of the day it's a very inexact science as there is so much brain science not yet understood. It's simple really, find out symptoms and implement a pharmaceutical solution. Increase doses until symptoms subside. I don't think that justifies £120k pa.
>>16851575>bring back the long term schizo state hospitalswtf, you want to get locked up for longer times?t. other schizo that has been locked for 4 months 2 times
>>16851582>And now you're probably on a pension with your suppressed impulsesno, I'm making money and being the best at my non schizo job
>>16851941>it's a purple and a green star spinning around each other at roughly 50x the speed of lighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo5l-1r8OMo
I actually have a bachelors in psych, my emphasis was on clinical therapy and praxis, so, mostly applied psych electives. I learned a lot of useful stuff, but also, there's an interesting trend that has happened in what I'm going to call "post-modern" psych (by which I mean all psychology in the past 50 or so years), where they really just do not give a shit about any of the philosophical stuff that concerned niggas like Jung and Alder and even Freud. Now it's like taking your car in to get it fixed.You are a machine. The reason why you are depressed or anxious is because you're broken. You can be fixed, but you have to comply with the program. Take these meds that we have flimsy research to prove worked on some rats and monkeys and have been moderately successful in clinical trials according to subjective reports from the clients who are probably just reporting a placebo effect. Make sure you have insurance so we know the clinic is going to get paid, otherwise fuck you, fuck your family, fuck your dog, fuck your teachers, fuck your employers, and fuck everything, because nothing else actually matters besides them fucking dolla dolla bills son.It's so FUCKING corrupt. I refuse to enter into practice at this point and have decided instead I want to do something in research or possibly just help people I know on a one-on-one basis for free as I come across people in my life as friends. I just can't really do much for anyone as a therapist sitting in an office talking to them under legal restrictions and having to gaslight them every fucking time we meet so they keep coming back and filling my pockets.No, I fucking won't. I refuse to do that to people.
>>16852373>It's so FUCKING corrupt. I refuse to enter into practice at this point and have decided instead I want to do something in research or possibly just help people I know on a one-on-one basis for free as I come across people in my life as friends. I just can't really do much for anyone as a therapist sitting in an office talking to them under legal restrictions and having to gaslight them every fucking time we meet so they keep coming back and filling my pockets.>No, I fucking won't. I refuse to do that to people.be the one that actually heals them instead of med-trapping them forever, they'll come to you in droves
>>16852378You literally cannot. Med licenses are incredibly restrictive and you will very quickly get your license taken away if you just go rogue doing whatever the fuck your personal ethics tell you is right.You don't get it, it's a business. It's not ethical. It's not about humanity or healing people or giving a FUCK about YOU. It's about your MONEY. The people that ever actually gave a fuck are long gone, and even the ones like myself that remain are powerless against the weight and size of the instutitionalized beaurocracy we now have in place. One person can't fight it, not even a whole organization can, and believe me, there are many such organizations that are trying to overturn the standardized practice of psychiatry in many countries outside America. If I had the funds, then yes, I would just move to one of those countries and try to establish my practice overseas.Honestly, that's been in the back of my mind for years now. Someday soon I want to get the fuck out of America. Fuck the APA.
>>16852432I remember a documentary about some northern country where the standard schizo therapy was just talking with him without locking him up or drugging him, like 4 o 5 doctors or whatever they might have been would just talk to the person, and when the whole thing was done he'd return home so maybe do your little research and find what country that is, maybe they even have working psychiatrists in the US applying their methods, who knows
>>16852440>>16852432*northern eu
>>16852362when the alternative is shitting my pants screaming at the sky downtown in the city, which i see in droves, yes long term psych hospitals are a great solutions
>>16852520There needs to be a different category for people like that. You can't compare someone like that to some teenager who is just struggling with suicidal ideation and depression because they live with alcoholic parents or drugs or something. Some people can't be "saved", and that's tragic, but it's reality. Then, others can be saved. We need to focus on those ones. The ones that are lost causes just bog down the system and leech resources. They absolutely should just get sent to some state hospital and kept under lock and key for the rest of their lives, for their safety and everyone else's.This has nothing even to do with what you think is ethical or not. This is just having to face hard facts about the world and make hard choices that ultimately suck but lead to the least overall harm, both to the individual and to the group.
>>16852522agree desuexpecting shizos to just adhere to the meds and releasing them into the wild is ridiculous, they always end up on the streets
>>16850635I've been around some real weirdos in my life and there is certainly the question of nature vs nurture. The two can't be separated and just observing affects things just like physics. You can't observe someone in a psyche ward for 30 days without causing more damage lol. You can't even observe weirdos without it affecting you. But we all have a will to some degree and I hope I don't lose mine because once you've lost it fuck you. Idc. I've seen those twitchy people and no shit they make me almost start twitching so I'm just like is it really the drugs or are you just twitchy and I should stay away from you because mental illness really is 100% communicable. I've been around people who I guess got forced to take drugs but their dads were insufferable narcissists too and my dad sucks too and despite everything I have an upper level idk maybe bc I can disassociate just enough but I can dive into all the hate myself and I still haven't actually acted vengeful so idc if someone has like secondary personality issues their primary personality has to also be shit to commit fuck so fuck them I hope I become a psychologist and yes I will profile people and if I think you are unappreciative you are getting doughboyed
>>16852593>psychologist*psychiatrist
>>16852593please never become a psychiatristyou're an absolute piece of shit yourselfno offense
>>16850461>most of which are female, and innoculated with cultural marxism...and how does that make you feel?...
>>16852522I remember this one guy, he was drugged to the fucking brim, the highlights of his life were "and I go there and I buy a chucho de crema", this guy should be treated like a kid, be taken to fun activities qith the other tards and even be taken to therapeutic prostitutes and I mean every single word
>>16852603second
>>16852440>I remember a documentary about some northern country where the standard schizo therapy was just talking with him without locking him up or drugging himThat was norway, barely standard there and the clinic that did this kind of therapy was closed down because insurance wouldn't cover talk therapy any longer for schizophrenia disorders.
>>16852831hmmhh, yeah it takes money to treat people humanly and not like cattle
