>if the universe is so large and ancient, where are all the alien civilizations?>implying a civilization MUST inevitably cover entire galaxies with dyson spheres and create intergalactic billboards 100k light years across that we can detect >meanwhile even reaching another star with lifeforms intact is probably impossible regardless of technology this gay ass "paradox" isnt even real and is built on a giant mountain of terrible assumptions. there is absolutely nothing paradoxical about not being able to see aliens from billions of light years away.
What you are asking is like being born in the middle of the sahara desert and asking where the ocean is based on your local oasis when you are not even sure it exists.
>>16852044If aliens exist, there aren't just us and them, there should be many more. And just like how you think spreading out is not a good idea, I believe spreading out and gathering all matter is the only option we have. Aliens would have similarly diverse opinions so inevitably one civilisation would spread out and take all stars apart.
>>16852044>giant mountain of terrible assumptions.It pretty much boils down to that, we long assumed with enough technology we would bend the world more and more to our will but we quickly learned that the physical limits that exist are extremely restrictive, which is why we are never having "flying cars" or "fully automated luxury communism", its simply not physically feasible regardless of technology, all science fiction, the future is dead.
>>16852044It's a completely myopic "paradox". Only thing we can rule out are aliens that do the exact same exponential industrialization we do right now expect on millions and billions times bigger scales. Truth is, even we likely won't cover stars and settle every planet in every solar system by the time we have the capability to do so.My personal pet idea about what advanced civilizations might actually do, is that they inevitably downsize. Literally I mean, turning themselves very small, smaller than atoms maybe. This conserves vast amounts of energy and makes everything easier, it's hard to see any benefit to being macroscopic the more you think about it. If miniaturization to a very high degree is possible, then civilizations could grow many order of magnitude more populous and do computations and whatnot on vast relative scales, before actually even exceeding the raw energy output of current day humanity.
>>16852084>Truth is, even we likely won't cover stars and settle every planet in every solar system by the time we have the capability to do so.Why not? It makes perfect sense to take all available energy and either store it or use it for massive computations, experiments and simulations. Everything else is irrational for a species that is concerned about long-term survival and competition.>My personal pet idea about what advanced civilizations might actually do, is that they inevitably downsize. Literally I mean, turning themselves very small, smaller than atoms maybe.Ah I see, you are not talking about our own universe but rather making up an universe where your own pet physical laws apply. Of course in that kind of meme universe you don't need to harvest energy at all.
>>16852044want to know the real reason? they've figured out how to convert the physical into the purely informational. they've literally turned immaterial. they are imperceptible to human senses and are everywhere. does this sound familiar to you?
What's better than living on a PLANET?>muh dyson spheresYou wanna live in some fucking mechanical bullshit just cause it's free energy or some shit or it was hard to build so its like a massive achievement? What is actually civilised about that? Maybe aliens live on FUCKING PLANETS. PLANETS ARE AWESOME.
>>16852110Dyson swarms are meant to collect energy from the sun that would otherwise be wasted and use it for massive computations. You can still live on a planet if you want to.
>>16852123Okay that's good I was worried. Carry on.
>>1685204413 billion years isnt that long a time as far as the age of the Universe goes, its a newborn baby. So the sad truth may be that WE are the most advanced lifeform and the reason we see nothing is because it just isnt there
>>16852177There's much beyond the darkness brother. We know little. t. I trip literal fucking balls without any drugs and YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I'VE SEEN
>>16852077>extremely restrictiveNot really, we could effectively start a program to build seeder ships today. Question of will (and removing some ... obstacles), nothing more, nothing less.>flying carsNo shit, at least if hauling a heavy battery around!! Satellite network and energy beamed down from orbit. Small battery for emergency landing in case the connection is cut.>communismWe do not need flying cars to handle that problem.
>>16852177sure but weve also gone from campfires to the ISS in the manner of just a couple thousand years. would be one hell of an unlikely coincidence if were the most advanced civ in the gigabillions of star systems out there. all it takes is one million year head start for another society to be WAYYY ahead of us.
>>16852044I'm pretty sure they scan the sky constantly now for technosignatures and haven't found anything yet. Things like artificial air pollution and artificial light and stuff. I imagine they'll need specialised outer space telescopes to search everything properly. It wouldn't really help though if intelligent life is at a similar state that we're currently at but they're a billion light years away like you say, I guess it would only really work for close planets or far away civilisations that have existed for a very long time so their light has had time to reach usWikipedia says>In February 2023, astronomers reported, after scanning 820 stars, the detection of 8 possible technosignatures for follow-up studieshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technosignature
>>16852177This. We are at the universe's infancy.>>16852210If the next closest civ is one billion ly away from us chances are we wouldn't see them for the next hundreds of millions of years even if they were at K3 "right now".>>16852315We've even scanned 100k galaxies for signs of any large scale projects and found nothing of note.
you guys know every single point you've mentioned has been argued already and that's why it is often referred to as a paradox?
>>16852044we make the wrong assumptions. that's the problem. there is no paradox, there is an issue with what we're made to believe vs the real state of things.see, one the one hand we have the matrix dominating our everyday lives, we're made to believe reality is a certain way, so we go to work and keep this shit running, while few people benefit from it.on the other hand, the reality is that this world is made up by masters and slaves. masters pain reality for the slaves. slaves proceed to get confused about their observations. we see nothing on the skies because there is no logical way for many to get out of here. the dinamic that dominates our everyday lives makes it so.the short of it is that once we're not required for work, we have no reason to exist. and this goes up to the very top. whomever will control technology will wipe everyone out for self-preservation. the game itself makes it so that only one or no one makes it out of this. it's an issue with the game we are playing. it says we're never getting out, but one, at most. which certainly explains both the state of things here, and out there.but you are not allowed to think about this, you must believe the social narrative, goodness of human kind and all that nonsense, and believe the sci-fi that hollywood (or rather netflix these days) paints for your brain. consoom, go work for others, repeat until you die.it is a game everyone is subjected to, nobody escapes the inevitable end, or at most one does. the one who controls everything and transcends their mortal vessel. for this is the game we're now playing, and always did. doubt that will change
>>16852084Hello, different anon popping in for a moment. Just wanna say, this is the first time I've ever heard this hypothesis, and it's actually rather clever. Thank you for sharing it. You've given me something new to think about, which is more precious to me than money.
>>16852084you have no purpose when your work isn't needed anymore. nobody gonna pay for you shit, you'll just be a liability. you exist to work and defend, that's it.
>>16852044>if america is so advanced and civilized then where are all the white people?probably avoiding you as much as possible glow nigger
>>16852044we will never leave the solar system, not enough resources or money, the world powers would have to all combine to even consider that
>>16852420everyone is aware that anyone who does leave the system will immediately proceed to declare independence. you cannot send anything that is not independent, anywhere. burgers did it, anyone will do it, instantlypowerful people/groups don't like the idea of losing control over something which can later bite them in the ass
>>16852044harle, marcy and janus were best girls.
>>16852411heartily kek'd
>>16852420eventually we HAVE to or the human race is extinct. the sun wont last forever.
>>16852420India could pull it off on their own. They will be a superpower soon
>>16852501they cant even pull off indoor plumbing
Because the universe we see is a giant hologram,, to prevent us from seeing the terrifying truth. Kind of like horse blinkers, we arent ready
>>16852044It shouldn't even be called a paradox fr frFuck the popscientists
>>16852931it is the paradox of the human perception on the state of their reality lmao
>>16852044we were designed to kill and destroy everything that came before us and to create lies about our own history. howdid we do?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cUR4up6EBLA
>>16852936Paradoxes can't be solved unless deus ex machinaIf something is in the scope of our materialistic reasoning, then it's impossible to become paradoxical...
>>16852044Have you read our posts.I would not be here if I wasn't required by birth to do so for the rest of my life.This place sucks.
>>16852073For all we know dolphins live on all the ocean worlds after some alien species spread them across the galaxy.
>>16852084>shrink every human>food is now abundant>real estate cheap as fuck, your tiny apartment is now a huge mansion with room for a golf course in the cat's litter box>drive hot wheels and take lego trains that would run on practically no energy compared to today's standards>nature heals from >we handle large scale things with machines just like we do in constructions sites and whatnot
I think there are trillions upon trillions of civilizations in every stage, animals, plants, fungi, bacteria, everywhere in the universe, some long gone, some thriving, some being born right now. The universe is not just a big thing, it is super big, it's unfathomable to us, there are (at least) 200 billion galaxies out there and this is just us pointing our little telescopes out there and seeing how far you could see. It's just too much, it's like trying to explain global economy to an ant or the sea to a goldfish in a small bowl of water.
>>16852931>>16852936>>16852948You guys are just pseudo-deep dipshits. It's called a paradox because there's a lot of stars out there and it takes just one civilisation out of thousends anywhere in a few dozen million light years near us expanding at a comfortably pace for us to notice them even with current technology.>>16853016It's more realistic that most worlds with life are completely covered with water and not just 70%.
