>>16853271
*chirp*

>>16853275
Yes but is it actually something going on or is it just a coincidence?

>>16853271
>>16853275
My white family would leave the fucking alarm beeping for weeks before they'd finally change the goddamn battery

I really think it's just a poor people thing

>>16853271
>good reading materials
Just use your eyes? You think the shit-slinging spear throwing gorillas found by whites in subsaharan africa are comparable to the literal inventors of modern society? Who also quite literally look like less developed humans suffering from down syndrome

I would fuck those cosplayers volumptious cheeks full jungle fever penetration style tho no cap

>>16853309
I've met more decent blacks than porch monkey niggers, thats the thing

My own perspective ruins racist narratives

>>16853309
The issue is culture. If you can't control for that you can't find out the truth. Black people were pretty behaved in the 1960s

>>16853352
OP here
This is absolutely what I believe

>>16853355
just keep in mind you and most of society won't really like the results of good controlled IQ science. Women are dumber than men and they can't claim the culture excuse

>>16853356
I think the problem is women can be retarded and do just fine in society while men are expected to be educated and know what they're doing

>>16853359
yeah but there are far far less women with IQ of 130+. Bimbos don't really explain that

>>16853360
I guess so yeah

>>16853352
>The issue is culture
partly
denouncing genetics is midwit tier
have you ever talked to a nigger irl? they literally look stupid
i know plenty of people who grew up in shitty households and score very high (spoiler alert: they arent blacks)

>>Women are dumber than men
yes, painfully obviously so. if you accept this without a problem i do not understand why you refuse to see it in race

>>16853371
>denouncing genetics is midwit tier
I'm not I'm saying you need to control for culture to objectively know what genetics do. I'm not talking about growing up poor I mean culture as in a set of beliefs and expectations that people similar to you share. I've known black people because I live in Florida. Plenty of retards also plenty of extremely normal guys

>>16853373
hmmm, well, we can't say for sure.

i'd gladly test this entire 'genetic theory', and offer my seed up to a black cosplayer - for the sake of science, of course. i think op needs to share the sauce for us to come closer to the truth.

>>16853412
>i think op needs to share the sauce
yahara_jayde

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So is black crime rates purely cultural matters or is there something genetic going on?

>>16853506
black people are simple creatures and have extreme mood swings
in africa they usually just chill or do really evil shit to each other

taking them to a civilized country and forcing them to live in a soul crushing society breaks a lot of them and then turns to violence

>>16853352
>Black people were pretty behaved in the 1960s
13/50 was true back then as well.
https://time.com/archive/6612585/national-affairs-the-negro-crime-rate-a-failure-in-integration/

>>16853549
So what do you believe causes black crime rates?

>>16853271
2B's costume is so perfectly fucking designed. The majority of women look so hot in it. I wonder what exactly is it.

>>16853549
This article mentions poverty as a potential reason for black crime rates and doesn't speak about a genetic cause

How can you look at the development of the last 500 years and not conclude on some level that white peoples are simply superior? Electricity, the combustible engine, formalized science, philosophy, chemistry everything under the sun came out of European or European derived societies.

Hell we can go even further back to the Roman Empire if we wanted, their tech was impressive too and blew a lot of shit from Asia out of the water as well.

I’m not saying we have to put all non whites in human zoos either I’m just saying give credit where credit is due

>>16853862
Idk the persians, asians and native americans did some pretty amazing shit

>>16853909
>native Americans
Sure thing

>>16853994
Look at all of the buildings built by the aztecs and the inca empire

OP here
I've read a few papers stating the bell curve is slowly shrinking and that black IQs are actually increasing

What do you make of this?

>>16853271
>Surely that can't be an issue with intellect since you can just google how to replace a fucking battery
low conscientiousness score perhaps

>>16854172
Has anyone ever tested to see if the alarm chirps in poor white people homes?
I remember when this meme first came about /pol/ would go through black youtube videos and timestamp the chirps they hear

But has anyone ever did that on white youtube videos?

>>16854183
Yes, a thorough analysis was done and published in the /pol/ journal, black videos contained 4.5x the amount of chirps even when controlling for household income (p = .00004)

OP here
Let's assume blacks are retardedly low IQ

What would change from that?
Avoid black for the rest of my life?
I don't see what it would change

>>16854193
Is that an actual report or am I too autistic to understand sarcasm?

OP here
If low IQ is racial then what is the exact genetic cause for it?

>>16854224
500 different genes in genetic zones

>>16854309
Can you explain further please?

>>16854161
OP again
How do race realist deal with the Flynn effect?

OP here
It seems bizarre to me that modern scientific resources will say IQ has genetic links but when race and IQ gets brought up it's suddenly environmental only

I just don't fucking know anymore
Does anyone have any decent reading materials on the subject?

>>16854391
>It seems bizarre to me that modern scientific resources will say IQ has genetic links but when race and IQ gets brought up it's suddenly environmental only
only bizarre if you think that science is a genuine objective search for the truth instead of a social enterprise

OP here
From my experience from life, blacks are either really cool people or total hoodrats
I've met more cool blacks than hoodrats which is why I first assumed it was environmental

>>16853271
Jensen's a good start, see what he has to say and then read how the academic establishment chimped out and destroyed him

>>16853356
>Women are dumber than men
The sex iq gap see seems to vary between race

>>16854038
>built by the aztecs
look up a guy I think his name was Jim Vieira, former stone mason, wrote a book called giants on record about what he unearthed when looking through old records.

>>16854372
The same way we deal with the Flynn plateau and the antiflynn/woodley-lynn effect (declining IQ)

Race realism is about looking at the actual data instead of making up shit to fit into leftist egalitarian fantasies.
It's not supremacist, it is realist, the clue is in the name.

OP once more
Almost all the black people I've met were either seemingly average or above average IQ with very few below

Is this evidence of environmental factors or just a coincidence?

>>16854629
Do you think there's anything that can flatten the bell curve?
Should we be cautious towards black people or how should we treat them?

>>16855007
OP again with a follow up question
Does a significant bell curve exist between black and white canadians or any other countries?

>>16855011
>>16855015
I think you have failed to understand what a bell curve graph is and why it is shaped that way.
I strongly reccommend you seek to first understand what a bellcurve/normal distribution is.
Any decent introduction to statistics should give you a proper grounding on the topic since it's quite straightforward.
it will leave you much less confused.

>>16853271
>Both sides of the debate are welcome but I personally am looking for stuff that kinda debunks racist views
Them ask about jewish postmodernist authors on >>>/lit/.

>>16855055
Okay
Thanks being honest

OP one last time

I will spend the next few days as a race realist and see if such a philosophy fits me

>>16853296
does not rule out the IQ relation.

Race obviously matters and quite a bit, though the flynn effect clearly shows that non-genetic influences are significant as well. Also, I'm black, and the answer is that we're naturally lazy lmao.

>>16855261
As it regards us(african americans), I think it's pretty clear that we're near if not at our genetic mean (we starting scoring an average of 88 in the 90's and seemingly stagnated after). The only non-genetic factor i can imagine having any significant effect in the modern day would be lead exposure..

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>>16855265

>>16855212
My white family was pretty retarded ngl

>>16855270
>believes in fake data
you can reconcile this with niggas in africa being 60s whites breeding with them in the 18th century didnt do shit for long term regression to the mean
blacks are in the 60s lmaooo in terms of FSIQ

>>16855265
The problem I see for american blacks is that your women breed hard inverse to iq.
The dumbest 50% of black women have significantly more children than the smartest 50% of black women.
The same general trend is seen in other races with smarter women having fewer children it's just really pronounced in american blacks.
welfare queens are dooming your race. Male IQ does weakly correlate with fertility which is slowing the decline but it only slopws it.

We were all robbed of a future improved by eugenics and instead we were gifted state funded dysgenics...which we have to pay for...

>>16855388
Eugenics wouldn't do shit for blacks. There's more to intelligence than just raw IQ, and that's culture. You have to have a culture which "supports" intelligence, meaning there has to be wider cultural tolerance for higher IQ individuals.

Jews and Asians are actually very good at doing this. White people on the other hand could be better, as oftentimes higher IQ individuals get socially isolated, but there is no outright hatred towards them. Blacks are probably the worst group on the planet for this. Any black with an IQ even slightly higher than 80 gets relentlessly bullied, isolated, called a nerd or a Melvin, called an oreo, etc. Very anti intellectual culture, and I doubt that would be solved by simply taking away food stamps or some shit. Blacks have probably even regressed over the past 100 years too, well before food stamps came around, so it's unlikely to be because of gibs. It's funny because instead of becoming more intellectual they've replaced it with cringe power fantasies, like black israelites, imhoteps, etc.

>>16853271
>I personally am looking for stuff that kinda debunks racist views

Racism is real and based on true facts
A. Black nations
B. White nations
See how different they are

>>16855342
Those is africa score near 75 in the modern day. Considering how we score, they should be expected to stagnate somewhere in early eighties.

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>>16855563
>There's more to intelligence than just raw IQ, and that's culture.
Proof?

>Eugenics wouldn't do shit for blacks.
This conclusion doesn't follow from your (false) premise. Try again.

>Jews
Inbred and low-IQ.

>>16855657
In our particular case, culture actually does matter, but not as the guy you're replying to (I'll call him X) is implying. From my experience, clearly intelligent black men have trouble finding breeding opportunities with black women, either being forced into "thugmaxxing" or race mixing if they wish to see sexual success. X remains wholly incorrect in saying that eugenics wouldn't do shit, though.

>>16855664
>culture actually does matter
Proof, ultra-obvious samefag?

>>16855664
Culture also matters in a similar fashion for muslim nations, but for an entirely different reason. Some of them actually score lower than us because of their obsession with incest.

>>16855666
Did you actually read my post? I'm the black guy, and I said that X was wrong, but nearing correctness -_-

>>16855664
>>16855668
>culture actually does matter
Proof, ultra-obvious samefag? No proof? Ok, then.

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>>16855669
My initial statement was anecdotal, and my follow-up was a known fact. If I was X, then I wouldn't have criticized my own post -_-

>>16855388
Interesting. I'd really like a source for this!

>>16855676
>culture actually does matter
If it did, you'd be able to demonstrate this objectively, but you obviously can't. Culture is entirely downstream from genetics. Seethe about it.

>>16855681
You're retarded and not worth conversing with bruv..

>>16855683
I'm not "conversing" with you. Just establishing conclusively that your belief system is baseless.

>>16853309
this

>>16855680
Wish I could find it again sorry

>>16853271
>What's some good reading materials on the topic of race and IQ?
The only component of IQ tests that there is even a plausible argument that it could be hereditary is Ravens Matrices. Unfortunately Ravens Matrices scores also shows the Flynn Effect and scores peak at 18 years old, which is at odds with the intuitive idea of "intelligence", especially general intelligence.

In summary, there is no solid ground to make claims or reason about "comparative intelligence", but the type who is into IQ usually is emotionally invested in the idea that some people are born better (typically themselves) so the debate isnt going anywhere

>>16858747
You misrepresentative faggot, You know you are repeating nonsense yet you still do it.

>>16858773
>handwaving
you did your case no favors

>>16858776
You just repeat lies which have been exposed time and time again and still expect me to bother giving you an actual itemised rebuttal when they clearly don't work and you'll be back to spout the same again?

>>16858777
>I dont have anything, will more handwaving do??
Everything I said is well known and not disputed by any IQ test designer or researcher.

>>16853321
Immigrant black people do much better in life than local black people

>>16858747
>The only component of IQ tests that there is even a plausible argument that it could be hereditary is Ravens Matrices
Then how come shitskins do so poorly at all the tasks?

>>16858820
What are you trying to say? I hear "B-BUT MUH SHITSKINS ARE LE STUUUUPID". That's your feeling, not science.

>>16858822
>What are you trying to say?
I'm trying to say that if your opinion is valid, you should be able to provide a reasonable explanation for why shitskins are equally bad at all the tasks (more or less), not just the Raven Matrices.
>inb4 environment
If environment was to blame, Jewish academics would have demonstrated this by now, after so many decades of their concerted effort arguing this case.

>>16858825
>I'm trying to say that if your opinion is valid, you should be able to provide a reasonable explanation for why shitskins are equally bad at all the tasks
The only component of IQ tests that psychometricians ever tried to argue there is evidence for a hereditary component is sub-tests that measure fluid intelligence. That's a fact. If you know of any counterfactual you're free to bring it up, but you dont and you wont.

>>16858831
I accept your concession that shitskins being equally subpar at all IQ test tasks indicates they are all g-loaded.

>>16858832
Too bad that doesn't show in factor analysis but it's shows in your feelings and that masters, too

>>16858833
*matters
Fucking phone posting

>>16858833
What do my feelings have to do with the fact that shitskins are subpar at all the tasks and not just Raven Matrices?

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>>16853271
The medical establishment, which is fundamentally liberal in nature because of neoliberalism et al., says that the nature–nurture divide is, respectively, 40%/60%. That means that at least 40% (not including covariance) of outcomes are genetic. Wouldn't you want to ameliorate that through some kind of social organization or genetic engineering? Everything is fine and dandy in the abstract, but when you see IVF ads on a bus stop saying that "IQ is at least 50% genetic", you think twice. Same with real estate prices. I'm not saying go full-on autocratic, but the libertine social experiment has failed.

>>16861117
Why can blacks make 200k with low scores?

>>16861510
sports

>>16861510
Only 7.3% of black households make over 200k/year in the U.S. Excluding why that happens, that is such a huge comparative advantage compared to 60k/year single-parent white or Asian immigrant households where a child of the latter gets a 1500/1600 SAT or whatnot, that your supposition is simply beyond the pale. Remember -- the science says that behavior is at least
40% genetic. That means you can't control for almost half of outcomes. Unless you want to say that environmental covariance (epigenetics) is somehow this massive, new unexplored thing. I'd be happy if you got a Nobel medicine and physiology prize for that, unironically.

>>16861534
>>16861529
>Academics
Yeah it's been proven today that grades and degrees mean nothing. Look at computer science unemployment

>>16861543
They don't mean anything at the moment because we live in a dystopic jester freak show. However, in the long-run, you need engineers, doctors, etc., as well as skilled workers (being a mechanic takes intelligence, too), to make for a functioning industrial economy. The "service economy" meme is not going to last long. People will either have to return to a state of normalcy or there will be weird negative externalities like a
global apocalypse. This is independent of the political system. AI space communism won't work.

>>16861553
You haven't heard of AI space capitalism then where you do service work cleaning in space and never get to see the sky or the outside of a ship with no windows on your deck.

>>16853271
Race is a very weak concept that mingles preconceptions about genotype and culture based on non-scientific and often openly hostile assumptions. The word generally applies to an imaginary static population, usually (but not always) bounded by geography. In reality all populations have non-static edges where they meet, mingle and breed through one means or another. In medicine the term was formerly used as a shorthand for a bunch of information that is much better derived by modern personalized medicine techniques. In short, "race" is just the best description we had, it defines nobody except at a surficial level, and we can do much better now.

Sources? Tons. Start with the Human Genome Project, which found that all humans are ~99.9% identical at the DNA level; that variation is gradual across geography, not clustered into discrete “races”; and that people from different regions overlap widely — undermining any strict biological taxonomy of race.

Race, as a concept, is pre-scientific. Our relative intelligences are victims of our various cultures. Does culture affect IQ? Yes. Read about the Flynn Effect: IQ scores worldwide have risen across generations, largely attributed to cultural shifts. Nisbett et al. (2012) – evidence for environmental and cultural impacts on IQ. Follow the citations for a whole lot more.

Bottom line: differences, yes. Race, no.

>>16861775
so why are niggers violent and have no civilization?

>>16861777
An even more important question is: why are you suffused with hatred? And an even more important question is: What the fuck are you doing in /sci? You clearly do not belong here. Peddling grievances is contrary to science. You are an anti-intellectual lump, attempting to replace inquiry with 19th century ideology.

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>>16861775
The variance is only 20%. Again, I don't understand why scientists are obsessed with a broad cosmopolitanism. There are specific heterozygous alleles (one gene) that can influence intelligence by at least one standard deviation.

>>16861784
Nice. A chart without references. Very scientific. You sure belong on /sci (not). Did you pull that out of your ass or is it included in the BigBoy's Anti-Science Handbook?

>>16853271
Speaking of references, here's a short reading list for OP. This should be enough to convince that the 4chan race-haters have walled themselves in with antiquated anti-scientific ideas. Be very careful with the race-haters, they present "facts" without reference, and when they do reference, it's usually cherry-picked from an author who would either not agree with them, or would roll over in his 19th century grave and mumble something angry about the aether or angels dancing on the head of a pin.

"The Concept of Race in The Human Species in Light of Genetics" – Cavalli-Sforza, L. L. et al. (1994)

"Taking Race out of Human Genetics" – Yudell et al., Science, 2016

"The History and Geography of Human Genes" – Cavalli-Sforza et al.

"Intelligence: A Very Short Introduction" – Ian J. Deary

"The Mismeasure of Man" – Stephen Jay Gould

"Measuring Intelligence: Facts and Fallacies" – David J. Bartholomew

"The Geography of Thought" – Richard E. Nisbett

"Why Schools Matter: Beyond Education for Economic Growth" – Hanushek and Woessmann

>>16861780
answer the question instead of seething fecaloid?

>>16855311
((()))

>>16861796
Thank you for confirming your essential stupidity.

>>16861801
kek nigger speaks white mans languages, dresses like him, takes a white man name, takes his insults. meanwhile the ancestors of the negro lives in mud huts, riddled with aids which was brought into humans by the negros fucking with chimps and has the audacity to lecture the white man on being equal? lmao fuck off back to wakanda Uwuwueve nigger boy nigga ossas

>>16861795

Your suggested reading material is too sociological in nature. I counter you with studies on the established heratibility
of intellicence commensure with mutational load.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016339

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0037385&type=printable

https://genepi.qimr.edu.au/contents/p/staff/McRae_EPUB17Feb.pdf

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0055208

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3909536/

https://www.nature.com/articles/nn.4404

>>16861806
The irony is palpable.

>>16861807
Your suggested reading material is too sociological in nature. I counter you with studies on the established heratibility
of intelligence commensurate with mutational load.*

Typos, sorry.

>>16861808
the only reason you speak well, dress well, eat well, is due to the white mans benevolence. uppity aids riddled coon. in your default state youre just like any monkey in africa. wheres your wakanda nigga boy lolol

>>16861785
I personally don't understand why it's anathema to question the most likely reality that race and IQ are highly heritable and that behavior is at least or more than half the puzzle. There are various studies on age and IQ, gender and IQ, neuroleptic use and IQ, socioeconomic status and IQ, etc. But, for whatever reason, once you bring up "race and IQ", it is sacrilege. Even assuming something like young Earth creationism would give enough time for genetic variation through natural selection. It just seems like politicized science. Thanks for your input, though.

>>16861814
uwueveue nigger boy nigga ossas, much like the jew hides behind muh raycissm to deflect the absolute subhuman nature of the coon race. notice how it has not mentioned a single noteworthy coon civilization bigger than a mud village

>>16861817
I mean, notwithstanding your frowardness, it is pretty depressing that
some people groups lag so behind in social organization. If people just did something like embryo selection (hypothetically), the world could probably achieve world peace in four generations. Unfortunately, this can't happen because of political correctness that prevents people from even suggesting such policy matters. I wouldn't even care if embryo selection was socialistically distributed per two-child family in the whole world. The problem is that you can't just ignore biological realities.

>>16861807
I've read some of those papers and they prove my point. You are probably cherry-picking individual sentences and not reading the entire papers. I would be happy to explain more, but it's a lot of work. I'll go through a few here and leave the rest to you:

1. Rare Copy Number Deletions Predict Individual Variation in Intelligence (2011, PLoS ONE)
Bad reference: small sample size (~74 with IQ data), special population (alcohol‑dependent sample), limited statistical power, and no claims about group averages or population differences. Study suggests that within‑population variation in “mutation load” may influence individual cognitive function. It does not support racial comparisons or claims that entire populations differ on IQ in a meaningful way. Authors warn about generalizability.

2. The total burden of rare, non‑synonymous exonic variants is associated with cognitive ability in childhood (2014)
Supports the view that gentic variation across individuals is high, and that many small or rare variants (not easily summarized as “race”) contribute. Complexity undermines simple “racial IQ difference” claims.

3. Paternal‑age / “de novo mutation load” studies
Reinforces that variation is individual and stochastic, not neatly categorized by traditional concepts of “race.”

Those studies do not show that “racial groups” have significantly different IQ distributions genetically determined in any stable or replicable way.

Importantly: genetic variance within groups (due to rare variants, mutation load, developmental history, environment) remains much larger than any plausible between‑group difference.

>>16861821
The studies do unequivocally show that
intelligence is at least mediumly correlated with mutational load. The step towards race and IQ being intermingled and heritable are a hair away. The problem is that you can't really measure race and IQ anymore because it's scientific heresy. The SAT I differences (r = .86 between SAt and IQ) and national IQs already mostly prove a biological etiology, but the neoliberal academic order will find any explanation other than "it's biology, stupid".

>>16861824
I'm sorry, but the authors of the studies you referenced (the ones I read) would almost certainly not agree with your conclusions. You have distorted their research to support your emotional bias. You do not belong in /sci, you belong in /pol.

>>16861819
unfortunately it hurts the niggers feelings that you do not ignore this realities kek. for me its hilarious how the coon thinks just by adopting a white mans name he ceases to be a coon.
>>16861830
you belong in apefrica though and your appeal to authority is very telling much like appealing to your massa for validation. why dont you make apefrica great again with your fellow kangz and kweenz?

>>16861852
You poor dumb thing. I hope you get better.

>>16861852
Not really worth arguing anything. If the technocrats want a 500 million-strong neutral race mass for maintenance and no continuation of the Baconian method of Western inquiry, it looks like that's on the menu.

:(

>>16854161
This doesn't mean that blacks are becoming smarter (they aren't), it means that whites are becoming dumber

>>16854391
Yes, some intelligence is heritable. That doesn't matter if you attempt to apply it to an unscientific label such as "race". People still arguing for "race" are stuck in an epistemic blind spot. Race is bullshit. It assumes norms that do not exist.

>>16854391
I've already put multiple citations up...here's a link to a simple, decent and very recent and topical article on "biological reality" written by a geneticist. Beware the race-baiting midwits on this board. They know only enough about science to shill for their points of view.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250417-biological-reality-what-genetics-has-taught-us-about-race

>>16862161
>Race is bullshit. It assumes norms that do not exist.
only if you redefine race away from its original intent.

>>16862217
Exactly. Once you realize that it’s an obsolete and unscientific concept you’re on solid ground.

>>16854197
>What would change from that?
>Avoid black for the rest of my life?
>I don't see what it would change

To ask this is to miss the point. I don't need blacks to have lower IQs to justify some political agenda. The truth is the truth even if it serves no purpose. The problem is when people make a world view and then find data that fits it. Which is how most tards left and right think

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what's the left rebut to this?

>>16862316
>Exactly. Once you realize that it’s an obsolete and unscientific concept you’re on solid ground.

It doesn't take a PhD in Biology to be able to tell of the existence of races. Race only stops existong when you decide to muddy the waters in order to fit your agenda.

>Inb4 colours don't exist since colours exist on a continuous line instead of discretely arguement.

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>>16862368

>>16862578
i don't get it

>>16853862
White people are self-destructive so they can't possibly be superior

>>16862819
drop a sig and it will start cappin

>>16862974
White people are evolved for a harsh winter climate with abundant summer where not killing each other so that they could cooperate for the harvest and store more food for winter or organise hunts made more sense and led to more children with those traits compared warmer latitudes

>>16855311
I believe you

>>16861780
You are an obscurantist not an intellectual. Kill yourself you fucking pussy

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>>16863187
>harsh winter climate
Lmao, Europe has the mildest winters of any northern continent
>more children
I'm talking about the modern day, by birthrates and through the heterogenization of white countries, white people are self-destructive.

>>16864971
It has the darkest and dampest winters, temperature isn't everything.
>I'm talking about the modern day, by birthrates and through the heterogenization of white countries, white people are self-destructive.
I refer you to Dr A Hitler for a treatise on the cause

>>16853271
Merely socioeconomic factors, my fellow white

>>16861780
>why are you suffused with hatred?
Nigger fatigue, probably, and you're the cause.

>>16861777
>so why are niggers violent and have no civilization?
At this point there are actual known genetic factors associated with chimpouts (e.g. the so-called "Warrior Gene" and just as you'd expect, they are far more common in the niggler subpopulation.

>>16853271
Sasha Gusev on X is the most well known IQ-nurture writer. I haven’t read him but I’m sure he’s a good place to start as an anti race-IQ guy. For a race realist perspective you can read Steve Sailer, Jared Taylor, Seb Jensen, Cremieux and a bunch of others, all on X.

>>16863187
Raiding and pillaging is a nordic tradition.

>>16866350
Nowadays we just call them mergers and aquisitions.

>>16866249
>Sasha Gusev on X is the most well known IQ-nurture writer.
>look him up
>completely irrelevant
welp

>>16862368
Every time I see this image it's completely ignored. Interdastering

>>16853271
>debunk racist views
There’s no special knowledge as far as I can tell. I don’t get why someone would apply a judgment about a group average to individuals in that group.
There’s also culture. It’s like the “Asians are good at math” idea. On average they place a greater emphasis on studying hard, particularly in STEM. That doesn’t mean that the typical Asian is any better or worse at math than you.
Perceptions of intelligence are overdetermined as it is. So from a statistical standpoint it’s not so easy to show a correlation without making a huge list of assumptions about practical things.

>>16862368
On the chart on the right, the x axis is a proxy for proportion of poor, densely populated areas with gangs. It just so happens that black people on average live in the inner city more than white people. It’s not causation.
If you look at only areas with low population density the correlation disappears.

>>16867935
>If you look at only areas with low population density the correlation disappears.
That's called data manipulation. Finding an 80% correlation for something that's even a "proxy" is very telling. You also completely neglect the demographics of these gangs.

>>16854391
theres subtlety to it

if you understand what heritability actually means you will see that within-group heritability is not the same as between-group heritability and you cant just make the leap from one to another

>>16864971
ever heard of the iceage?

>>16853271
>What's some good reading materials on the topic of race and IQ?
Look at anons post in >>16861775. I will explain why it is wrong and this should get you thinking. The implications of what I am about to say will change your life. No kidding. When you see it, it will become obvious though. Had you had completed courses in modern genetics, complex traits, inferential statistical analysis and applied math, it would be a lot easier.

I realize you likely don’t start with this advantage, so I will go fairly slowly and this may extend over a few nights, Jannies willing. You will see why a)no single text book would dare to cover this; and b)why the majority of biologists and certainly almost all the anthropologists are unable understand the complexities of their own subject. Also, I hope you get an appreciation that modern genetics is a very, very new science, (just last year a Nobel prize was awarded to two people who discovered the role of microRNA in what I am about to relate). Oh, and did I mention its very controversial?

Now, are youl sitty all comfortable on your botty? Then I’ll begin :

>>16871542

part 2 of ?
>Start with the Human Genome Project, which found that all humans are ~99.9% identical at the DNA level; that variation is gradual across geography, not clustered into discrete “races”; and that people from different regions overlap widely — undermining any strict biological taxonomy of race.

This is the famous, “we all the share the same DNA therefore we must be equal ” rhetoric. Somewhat similar to: “there is more genetic diversity inside of a race than between them”. So lets debunk them both. The outcomes of doing so are profound. I’m going to make this a little interactive. Like in my class. Your first task for this evening is this: If you don’t know what DNA is made up from then go find out. You are wasting your time here otherwise. Then find out what % of your DNA codes for proteins (called coding DNA), and by difference, how much is non-coding DNA. Next, calculate how many nucleotides that .1% is that our poster claims is “actual genetic differences between the races” equates to. This is an important number. Bonus : How many protein coding genes do you have? You will need this info to continue.

If you ever do genetics, you will study the height prediction from DNA example. Heres how: Get a number of people, measure their height and then do a whole genome map of each individual. Then, using computers, we compare the results across subjects and derive linear relationships between nucleotides and height. It really is fun stuff. Look up https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05275-y or the “GIANT consortium.” for more details.

In these references you will find that geneticists have conclusively discovered 12000+ places in your DNA that affect your adult height. WAIT WHAT? How is this possible? Didn't you just find out that there are only ~20,000 protein coding genes in all your DNA ? Am I trying to tell you that half of the total number of genes in your body are devoted to height?

>>16871567
part 3 of ?
> Am I trying to tell you that half of the total number of genes in your body are devoted to height?
And the answer is no. Very few of the 12000 pieces of DNA that determine your final height are in your protein coding genes. They are l mainly from non-coding parts ( the other 98% of your genome that doesn’t code for proteins).

IMPORTANT TERMS : Those nucleotides (pieces of DNA) where people can have differences are usually referred to as SNP’s (pronounced “snips.). Snips are special types of Nucleotides (base pairs), and since there are ~3 billion base pairs total in the human genome , 0.1% of racial DNA differences equates to 3,000,000 snips. An important number I hope you calculated correctly earlier on.

Now we are diploid animals – and that does complicate the veracity of the above numbers a bit, but I’m hoping when you did your homework you worked out that we usually always talk about genetic data in the haploid human form. Either way, I’m not going down there, it just layers on additional, currently unnecessary complexity.

This is the brilliant way evolution gets around only having 20 or so thousand protein coding genes, and yet can make so much variety in humans. These 12000+ non -coding (SNPs) for height can turn genes on or off, or just turn on certain segments of a gene and suppress others. They can alter the protein that is being coded for, using the SAME template gene. They can suppress or activate a protein coding gene with TIME (age) as a parameter. Evolution incorporates time and entropy into its design. It really is amazing. Hot new news: some of the SNPs of DNA cluster together and form gene regulating microRNA – further adding layers of complexity to the role of non-coding DNA in the human genome.

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>>16861775
>Start with the Human Genome Project, which found that all humans are ~99.9% identical at the DNA level

We share about 98% of dna with chimps and 85% with pigs for comparison.

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>>16871595
Not the best picture. Chimps have an extra chromosome, and 2 and 3 are smaller. This one's a bit better.

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>>16871586
part 4 of ?
Now, because we have plotted the entire human genome, we can actually identify where each height determining snip is on which chromosome. Picrel – figs 1a and 1b show the distribution of these snips that control height on chromosomes 1 to 22 - on the x-axis - and a statistical parameter on the Y axis. Dont worry about the Y axis right now, what I want you to take away is firstly that the snips that affect height are spread over ALL of your chromosomes. Secondly, some snips are more important (in a statistical sense) than others. Thirdly, note carefully tucked away in the description of these snips is the fact that these patterns of snips are “ancestry” dependent. I’ve taken some exact quotes out the respective papers that highlights that the relationship between final (height) and snip are race dependent.

IMPORTANT: Ancestry (also sometimes population) is a genetic code word for race. We are not allowed to use that term anymore. Orwellian suppression of thought.

WAIT WHAT? How can this be? Are you trying to tell me that the distribution of height controlling snips is different in the different races? Isn’t that the same as saying that the races are different genetically?

Yes. And I’ll soon show that its not just height that is affected thus. TBC

>>16864971
It's about the darkness of the winters, not the coldness of them. White skin originated in the north where you would have long periods of darkness which would cause problems for an animal that uses sunlight to produce vitamin d (humans)

Man imagine the people that sat down and studied every codon in the human genome

>>16871610
Oh yeah, I think something similar also happened in asia. Light skin after a harsh winter period.

>>16855007
Most black people in the west are part white. They may look like full niggas but you check their dna and it's half white. To get reliable data you have to check pure niggas only

>>16853321
You perspective isn't the whole of reality

>>16861543
>computer science unemployment
Indians

>>16861780
Shalom

>>16861777
The evolutionary pressure for calm and cooperative behavior never existed in their timeline. They never needed to develop these traits to keep reproducing

>>16871692
>half white
umm no, it's like 20%

Is it true that incest is really common in black communities where they don't know their dad?

>>16871706
Black people in Brazil have a huge chunk of iberian DNA, some as much as 70%

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>>16871604
part 5 of ?
>Yes. And I’ll soon show that its not just height that is affected thus.

Any trait that varies continuously in humans is called a complex trait. Height, sprinting speed, eyesight, intelligence, susceptibility to disease and eye color etc all vary continuously. This is as opposed to those traits that don’t vary continuously, and tend to be more binary in nature - Think of two eyes, two arms and two legs (genetic errors excepting).

It should have been pretty obvious that the height patterns between races are different, even without the snip analysis proving it. Each race has a unique height snip distribution pattern, with a unique mean and standard deviation. These patterns have been determined by evolution for that race. A little later I will derive and show in more detail what these patterns look like.

IMPORTANT: A 'pure' race does not consist of a number of genetic clones. That would defeat the entire purpose of evolution. But it does consist of unique snip patterns.

It should now be obvious that if you only need 12,000 snip differences to give you a continuous height variation in humans, that an available 3,000,000 snip difference between the races has the potential to cause a massive change in genetic outcomes. While this is true, I will turn everything upside down now and show that you don’t even need those 3 million snips to separate the races genetically. The other 99.9 % of the shared DNA is actually more enough to separate the races.

To do so, lets look at those snips that correlate with intelligence. Wait! You say while I agree that physical abilities may be genetically determined (Africans so obviously make better sprinters, boxers etc), cognitive abilities are not. Everyone has the ability to become an Einstein – in the right environment. And the more you think about that statement, the people in the classes you have been in, the more you realize its garbage.

Read on.

>>16853271
Look, I can listen to an interview of the blackest of black people, rappers and whatnot, and really respect the person. Like, I appreciate the person's insight, their social skills, their business hustle. But, it is ultimately true, that from an academic or IQ perspective, black and other people are not as "book smart" as whites or Asians or whatever. I don't think it's the end of the world, but not acknowledging these differences is ultimately bad for science and all things similar. I would rather talk to and have a few drinks with a hood person (black or otherwise) than a neoliberal white that just ignores basic reality. I don't think certain minorities would be against admitting that they are not that smart, so long as they had the same civil rights, which, for the purposes of Western societies, they do.

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>>16872912
I'm Black and I got a score of pic related on openpsychometric's IQ test. I don't feel particularly smart. Most rappers are criminals and I wouldn't want them representing any group of people.

>>16872914
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(You) responder here. I understand the concept of outliers. These things might come from environment, but, based on earlier replies on here, it seems like environment is less of a factor than genetics. My main point was that you shouldn't denigrate people for being more or less smart than another, but I ultimately believe that certain normal distributions of race by intelligence are true. If you are actually black and are a 137 IQ person or whatever, good for you. But, I think ignoring averages about these things from the perspective of a normal distribution are destructive. Society is designed for the median.

>>16872922
I don't feel like an outlier though. My brothers are are as smart as me, maybe even smarter.

>>16872933
Hey, man, good for you. If you can successfully dismantle 60 years of affirmative action and becoming a rocket scientist or brain surgeon, I will root for you. I, unfortunately, do not think that such things are amelioratable in light of neoliberalism.