>>16855929
sex is an act of domination
when you get dominated by another man you become weak and a coward
there's a reason why faggot also means weak and coward in every language

>>16855929
Everything, and I really think that I mean EVERYTHING, is a matter of scale and distribution - even sex. Scale down and look at the gametes. Men and women are very clearly labelled. Many little gametes=man. A few big gametes=woman. There is zero ambiguity at this scale and it works across species.

Scale up and look at chromosomes and genes and it gets a little muddier. Around 1 in a hundred, maybe a little less, defy accurate categorization. That is still a lot of people. As for other species, go smear the gonads of a fish on a slide and count how many times it's changed sex....

Up again to morphology and holy shit it's a mess. There are all sorts of reasons why you can't always tell exactly what's going on. (True in humans, but astonishingly true in other species, in which penes can look like pusses, and vice versa!)

Up again to family, psychological and environment pressures, and yeah...let's leave the poor fuckers alone. There, in the uncanny transgender valley, but for the grace of statistical likelihood, go I.

>>16855929
If you read older medical literature (pre-Freud) you'll find many physicians blaming degeneracy on intestinal parasites. This was common knowledge in the past. The treatment for chronic masturbation in children was to send them to a sanitarium where Dr Kellogg would put them on high fiber and laxative diets with multiple daily enemas to flush out their perversion.

“Worms arise from putrefaction of residues caused by excess and indulgence … they are most common in those who live luxuriously and give themselves to lust.”

-- Aristotle - "History of Animals" - 350 BC

>>16855929
It's correlated with digit ratio, that alone proves it's at least partly biological. (Doesn't necessarily mean it's 100% fixed at birth, of course.)

>>16855942
>let's leave the poor fuckers alone
Incredibly disingenuous statement.

>>16855929
I'll start by saying that "science" will never say you should or shouldn't do anything or treat people any particular way. Science is a descriptive philosophy and it's findings may consistently be used to justify or condemn literally anything.

That said:
Biological sex is empirically observable. Your gametes and chromosomes are what they are. There's genetic outliers out there but they're essentially the sex chromosome equivalent of downs syndrome.

Gender is usually the term in dispute. Regardless of whether you feel it should be synonymous with sex, the way it's being used by certain groups is to describe a psychological/sociological phenomenon where a set of anatomical and behavioral traits are tentatively associated with a particular sex, both within a society and acoss societies. These distinctions get muddy and hard to rigorously define. But it's essentially the reason you might consider men in floral dresses a little "weird" despite no biological reason that they shouldn't wear such things.
Regardless of any moral hangups you might have or any conjecture regarding what causes the phenomenon, there are people of one sex who prefer to act and be treated as a "gender" which is commonly assumed to contraindicate their biological sex. We call those people "transgender. Whether this should be pathologized, accepted, or even celebrated isnot a scientific question and is ultimately up to the moral framework that dominates the society in question.

>>16855992
Agreed, but science should still weigh in against the reductionists who want to paint a clear-cut biological dichotomy between males and females. It ain't like that, except at the level of gametes. The bigger the scale, the messier the picture gets. Science describes that well, and should not be shy of saying so.

>>16855997
>science should
Apologies if I'm being a bit pedantic. But this is a category error. There is no "should" in science.
Now there may be an argument to be made that science communicators have an imperative to make nuanced discussions like these clear to the general public. But that is, as I said, not a scientific argument to make. Science makes no statements on whether open communication or gatekeeping is preferable. Only that either strategy might more effectively achieve a particular goal.

The lack of a "clear-cut biological dichotomy between males and females" is largely attributable to chromosomal abnormalities (eg. Kleinfelter's) or gestational deformities. And science says nothing about whether these should be considered a category in their own right or pathologized as unfortunate malformations that should not be extrapolated to the workings of society as a whole.

>>16855929
There are ancient trannies in ancient Rome surprisingly and ancient faggots of course not so surprisingly. They didnt have "le christian panic" porn back then. Their boomers had nothing to bitch about. I found no German comment on it other than fag murders for Wotan common across Germanic tribes. Did Germans invent homophobia?

>>16855992
You are incorrigibly a modern academic unable to question today's mores as the core intent of the thread. There are epistemic biases to consider here, fag preist in a lab coat (possibly likely trans and jewish)

>>16856644
Those being?

>>16856008
The problem is not that you're a pedant, but that you're squeezing out hard stool instead of useful thought, by accusing me of ascribing agency to a noun through the application of a conditional. That's your choice, not mine. Insofar as science is descriptive it SHOULD describe not just the norms but the background. If it doesn't, there's a problem, not of agency, but of method and utility.

>>16855929
>It Is Born out of habit when a male lacks access tò a hole tò release sexual urges

I'ma virgin at 34, and I never had any homosexual urges, never watched tranny porn or gay porn even or felt attracted to aman in the slightes even when fags offered their bussy to me. Its made up bullshit.

>>16855929

Always correlates with Cluster B. Used to be studied and treated in tandem. Cluster A are extremely straight, Cluster B are extremely gay, normies are in between.

>bro you are not born that way!
>here is a study on people who were affected by X at birth to be born that way!
>bro you are not that way!
>jewishjesusprayeeessay.txt
>see you are a sinner the way you are!
How about we do science on WHAT THINGS ACTUALLY ARE

Genetic determinism is the least emotionally charged stance