>global spending on science reached 3 billion dollars in 2023Is science in an economic bubble? For millenia, the amount of money spent on research was basically 0, and now most of the world's GDP goes to le science.I don't think this is sustainable, science research is possibly about to cause the world's economy to crash
>>16856708>>global spending on science reached 3 billion dollars in 2023 >now most of the world's GDP goes to le science
>>16856764>>16856708shit, I meant trillionwe use long count in my country
Science is a scam and should be shut down at this point. If science was so good then people would do it for free, like they do with riding a bike or masturbating.
>>16856708>R&D == ScienceYou fucking idiot.
>>16856781explain three differences
>>16856765Nevertheless, it wouldn't constitute the validation of your second claim, unless you are in some manner to account for indirect spending with relation to science, which the infographic does not take consideration of, even then...>Countries globally spend an average of 2.62% of their national GDP on research and development efforts. For G20 nations, this average is higher, at approximately 3.03%.
>>16856765>we use long count in my countrybasedwe got cucked by hedgies and quants too dumb to use proper billions and econfags trying to pump their numbers up
How profitable are the journal publishers like elsevier?
>>168567841. Software devs are part of R&D. Obviously not scientists. 2. R&D are specifically motivated by corporate and government incentives. Peer review is unnecessary, and publications advancing their products are often done in house. Obviously, peer review is a core component of science. 3. Literal surveys qualify as R&D expenditures via marketing. Obviously not science. >But muh heckin likert scales in psychology!Not science.
>>16856807explain four differences
>>16856840You lost. Take your L gracefully.
>>16856708>For millenia, the amount of money spent on research was basically 0The Catholic Church was a leading authority on the natural sciences pretty much since the conversion of Rome. Schools popped up everywhere and monasteries were conducting research primarily on the Government dime.
>>16856864stop attempting to whitewash christianity.
>>16856708First off, GDP is a meaningless metric. ( See the Comic of Bernanke and Krugman eating bull crap) Secondly, the speed of actual innovation has ground to a halt while we are at the point where our system is so run though it would need significantly more of it to function than even in the 1900s. The science spending is a desperate attempt to find a new equivalent to the steam engine, because that degree of innovation would be the only thing pulling the economy out of the dumpster.The only other way will be collaps into dysfucntion, or large scale reforms which would be inconvenient to the top 1%, significantly lowering the amount of Superyachts they can possess.Oh, and thousands of Boomer Noliberal economists havign to accpet that they are wrong, and atht shareholder-lead capitalism is only feasible for very short bursts during times of unusually high innovation and the resulting exceptional growth.
>>16856866I'm not "whitewashing" anything. It's just what happened. Monastic life is boring as shit so no shit these people are going to dedicate a lot of time to studying and documenting the world around them. We could go on about many atrocities of The Church but that's not the topic of this thread now, is it?
>>16856926Most science was done by Canonics, semi-monks who were allowed to travel , keep material possessions (such as books) and therefore enabled the exchange of knowledge across Europe. They weren't bound by monastic vows, had no spiritual duties and not really part of the Clergy. They don't really exist nowadays, because it was mostly a system devised to feed people while they do science, not really a church thing. Actual monks only copied books, being locked up in a cloister and not allowed to interact with the outside world is not conductive to science. Keep in mind most monks weren't there voluntarily, but sent there as third sons or paupers kids for whom it was the best chance at getting an education and at least staying fed. So in practice most cloisters operate more like a prison, including monks dedicated to keep the rest from running, locked rooms at night and so on. But they did maintain knowledge already gained by copying books and making them available for distribution. Thirdly are the Alchemists, who devised the "lead to gold" scam to get the nobility to fund their forays into early natural science. The most risky endeavour, as most of them either had to run or got the chop when tehy inevitably failed ( but researched the basics of chemistry and physics in the process)
>>16856944To add to this, the church wasn't interested in science out of the goodness of the Popes heart, but because the Churhc represents the only centrally administrated organization throughout the middle ages.They realized that knowledge is power, and were keen on maintaining a monopoply. As such, the targest of early witch hunts where often Alchemists, "herb witches" and other individuals who practied science outside of the church.As a result, the quality of medical care plummeted during the late middle ages, as a ton of knowledge not sanctioned by the chruch got lost, such as nearly everything concerning herbal remedies.
>>16856947>such as nearly everything concerning herbal remedies.witch, burn him
>>16856807OP absolutely btfo
>>16856708The USA would be on top but unfortunately politicians have to give them billions to genocide their neighbors, otherwise the Mossad will expose all the child fucking they did while they were filming.
>>16857000over 50% of all mutts are not even properly literate in English, and getting the most basic bitch degree entails total fiscal destruction. The only reason the USA is on the map in science at all is because they use all that tuition money to hire scientists from all over the world to do the actual work and win in "excellence initiatives" that exclusively measure how many "peer reviewed studies" a university manages to slop out in a semester.
>>16856947>>16856949In China alchemists would regularly poison the emperor when they felt like it.
>>16857014In all fairness, killing the Emperor was the recreational sport of choice at the royal court. Ist actually a good system to filter incompetents, if you dumb in the no dumb zone, you die. Wish we had that in the West right now.
>>16857024We actually do
>>16856944>>16856947Yeah, I was being a bit reductive and oversimplifying. Granted, though, if we leave Europe and include, say, the Nestorians, they were really influential in early medicine and mathematics in the middle east. Much of what is now generalized as the "Islamic Golden Age" is really a result of Nestorian influence on Islam.Nestorians were declared heretical by the The Church (pre Catholic/Orthodox schism) and were actively persecuted by "mainline" Christians, thoughbeit.
>>16857040If you read the right histories you find good theories that islam was invented by the catholic church/cult of rome to destroy the Nestorians
>>16857000usa is number 8. is not even close to the top. and this graph benefits the us because it omits taiwan because "it doesn't count as a real country". otherwise it'd be even lower
