Baikonaur - edition previous >>16856051
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikonur
second for orbital refilling (NET 2026 btw)
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>>16858980Kazakh women are so hot, I can save one from their depressive hellhole
so will the Chinese landing be streamed or not
>>16858985The launch will be streamed. Somewhere.
>>16858985Probably not, and all they’ll do is take a handful of photos with a shitty 140p digital camera. China can’t into HD or stable streaming
Sure glad no one at NASA actually lost their job during the Shutdown. Hate to lose top talent.
*drowns*
>>16858985no, they typically like to control the narrative when doing space missions
>>16859009>6.2million gallonshow much is that in km3?
>>16858976Did the ass fall out?
Reusable F1 class methalox engines when?
>>16859009cant drown. thats what the safety divers are for.
>>16859039*safety divers drown too*
Kneel
>>16859049where's blue origin
>>16859050too small for the graph
>>16859049>SpaceX is a sca-ACK!
>>16859049Being an armchair fan of spaceflight is fun because both the upmass and total number of launches generate different graphs, but both are interesting and tell you about the industry. ULA could have shit launch numbers but still put up a significantly heavy payload in one go. On the other hand, China can launch a shit ton but still only deliver tiny ass payloads that don't add up to anything significant or useful. But china will still get experience launching often and lowering $/kg. Meanwhile ULA has technical ability to place large payloads into precise orbits, but simply cannot adapt to launch frequently and fast. SpaceX always leads both categories, very good company
>>16859049Seems a bit rigged if it doesn't take into account _high energy_ missions.
>>16859050probably q3 data
>>16859049https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1994518037614268565
>>16859065>SpaceX launched ONLY 83% of all mass into orbit>still not reaching an order of magnitude compared to everyone elsefelon huskrat lied and broke his promise, etc etc
>>16859049India nearly as much as spaceX, more than China sir
>>16859054We really need some kind of graph that measures mass x injection energy.
>>16858976How fucked is Roscosmos really. Will they exist in 10 years?I have noticed ziggers get extremely sensitive about this on X
>>16859099most countries and politicians dont care about spaceflight, so its probably fucked
>>16859080https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Cv6DYpEM2/Someone on Bilibili have been doing this for a few years. According to them, the number was 60.6 trillion joules for SpaceX in 2024.
Should we let the Russians use our trampoline?
>>16859112*America, not just SpaceX
>>16859099Sure. It's got problems, but the launch complexes at Vostochny and Plesetsk seem to be adequately maintained, and the Soyuz and occasional Angara launches from those sites are more than enough to meet Russia's national security launch needs for the foreseeable future, even to the point of deploying their own national megaconstellation (although more on the scale of OneWeb than Starlink, Leo, Qianfan/Guowang, etc). Soyuz/Angara aren't hyper-expensive and Russia will be able to continue to have a launch rate that exceeds everyone who's not America or China. At the worst, the Kremlin will just re-nationalize, reconsolidate, and reorganize it's space sector (again). This'll be like the third time they've done that since they transitioned out of being government run design bureaus back in the 1990s so it's not as big a deal as it sounds, especially with how little interaction they have with the commercial market these days. Russia's human spaceflight program is another story. That was already on borrowed time with the ISS inching towards decommissioning in 2030 and ROS still stuck in the manufacturing doldrums.
https://x.com/SpaceInvestor_/status/1994485431237582878>What valuation will SpaceX see next?
https://x.com/SpaceIntel101/status/1994555631571976485>Orbital Launch no. 276 of 2025>Demo flight | Landspace | December 01 | 0352 UTC>LandSpace to launch its ZhuQue-3on its maiden flight from Jiuquan site 96. This stainless-steel, methane-fueled, two-stage rocket aims to reuse its booster up to 20 times. The main objectives of its maiden flight are to lift off from its pad and reach orbit. Nevertheless, a booster landing will also be attempted.
>>16859099Baikonur is on borrowed time even if they repair the recent damage, but Roscosmos will carry on in Vostochny and Plesetsk.There's too much military value in having your own launch capability to just let the whole thing die. They might pull back from crewed launches, though.
>>16859139>landspace
>>16859139So kino
>>16859151monkey see, monkey doancient chinese proverb
randsprace
>>16859167Kek
>>16859139Hopefully it succeeds so that:1. Europe's further embarrassment is secured2. American space companies have external competition to fuel their ideological drive3. Jared has something to scare Congress with at the hearing on Wednesday
>>16859139The "block 1" version is only around 12t expendable and 8t recovered, they're planning to uprate later.
>>16859065>99%>two orders of magnitude more than the rest of the world combined>orders of magnitudeI needed this
>>16859217The next step after that would be order of magnitude of orders of magnitude.
>>16859065eventually, this graph will need to be broken down into individual starship vehicles
>>16859049that's really impressiveSpaceX launched your mom up there once
>>16859049Kek Europe should beg Russia to stop the war so they can have a space program again
>>16858981krystal isn't even that hot desu. we need a new /sfg/ waifur
https://x.com/kelvin61942434/status/1994637377378378033>According to Landspace’s exclusive all-media reporting partner @空天逐梦, they have already withdrawn from the landing site, and the first flight of ZQ-3 has been postponed indefinitely. The video also suggests the order of the maiden flights of 12A and ZQ-3 remains undecided.
>>16859308what went wrong?
>>16859309Could be something technical, could be something political. I've been growing more suspicious that Beijing wouldn't want a LSP with a reusable rocket to gain the kind of position inside of China that SpaceX did here in America. That might be part of the thinking behind having a million competing reusable designs; if the industry has maximum competition, then none of them can rise to the kind of dominance that could be politically problematic. Another angle might be that Beijing wants the first reusable Chinese rocket to be named Long March, and are sandbagging Landspace until after LM-12A takes it shot. Or they want to do that but LM-12A is running into technical problems of its own. Or maybe it's just a new design and they've got some things then need to work out.
>>16858976the infamous stage -1
NSFF: I mean, I hate to be that guy, but this reeks of either sabotage (or admittedly, extreme levels of incompetence, which I think are less likely and would involve at least a handful of people).Think about it: with the (inexplicable IMO) mothballing/retirement of Gagarin's Pad a few years ago, and the political closure of the Guyanese ELS, there only remained this pad outside of Russian territory. It was also one of only 3 active pads worldwide (one of them being in a military base and at too high an inclination unsuitable for ISS use). Roscosmos and the Russian civil space program in general have been the subject of major defunding and explicit sidelining by the State's central politics, currently revolving around war(s). This blocks all crewed or uncrewed Russian participation in ISS for close to a year, if not years, even with emergency scrambling, either at Baikonur reparing this pad, adapting Vostochny's for crewed use and Soyuz/Progress spacecraft processing, or reviving a Soyuz-compatible Proton, which itself is in its death throes as an active launcher.
>>16859049>ISROI always wondered how do they manage to have simultaneously: slams, rockets, shitting streets and nuclear reactors that never failed.
>>16859314>Beijing wants the first reusable Chinese rocket to be named Long MarchThis is so communist, I would believe it's true, lmao
>>16859332>nuclear reactors that never failedthat at least is explicable. They use the Canadian CANDU designs.
>>16859314>sandbagging Landspace until after LM-12A takes it shot. Or they want to do that but LM-12A is running into technical problems of its ownMy guess is they will be "expected" to provide technical data to CASC should LM run into difficulties and if there are too many players the issue would be solved via consolidation.>>16859332>nuclear reactors that never failedYou write a large enough check to Westinghouse or a comparible corporation to design, build and in some cases run it.
Grok, how we doing?Current pads for manned flightLaunch Complex 39A (LC-39A): Located at NASA's Kennedy Space Center, this historic pad is currently the only one certified for human spaceflight and launches Crew Dragon capsules.Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40): Situated at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, this pad is being certified for manned flight to provide additional launch capacity. It launched its first crewed mission in September 2024.
>>16859332>>16859336>positive void coefficientit's not if but when
Grok, anything else?Space Launch Complex 41: This is the launch pad at Cape Canaveral, Florida, used for Starliner's missions. I mean, technically that's a thing.
>>16858843>SOULESS>SOVL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stability_of_the_Solar_Systemfreaky
>>16859340Yeah except, those have never had a problem compared to American designs
SPEHS
>>16859384SPEHS
Berger: Progress is key to flying ISSNot only does this cargo vehicle bring supplies to the Russian segment of the station, it is used as a primary means to reboost the space station’s altitude. It also services the Russian thruster attitude control system which works alongside the US control moment gyroscopes to maintain the station’s attitude and orientation. Notably, the Russian control system “desaturates” the US gyroscopes by removing their excess angular momentum.This could potentially be accomplished by docked vehicles, at a high fuel cost, the source said. Moreover, the US cargo supply ships, SpaceX’s Dragon and Northrop Grumman’s Cygnus, have also demonstrated the capability to reboost the space station. But long-term it is not immediately clear whether US vehicles could completely make up for the loss of Progress vehicles.Russia crashing the ISS with no survivors.
Following the delivery of the Soyuz rocket to the launch pad, the Service Cabin, KO (a Russian abbreviation for "Kabina Obslyzhnivaniya"), moves into position around the wide base of the rocket under the launch pad. A series of access bridges then are deployed and raised vertically with hydraulic mechanisms to form a three-level scaffolding just inches from the vehicle. The bridges provide access for the launch personnel to the first and second stage of the rocket at three levels, all located below the main concrete surface of the launch pad.https://www.russianspaceweb.com/vostochny_soyuz_ko.html
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>>16859314This is retarded thinking lmao, why not share the landing tech with other companies like they make car companies do with ev technology?
>>16859207>Europe's further embarrassment is secured>>>/wsg/6039918I hope this bureaufaggot never forgets this when the rest of the world's superpowers are landing rockets on a regular basis.
>>16859409>We'll start competing when they winUnbelievable.
>>16859308>>16859314>It seems like this is due to improper paint application on the landing pad.https://x.com/PhazzeeYeehaw/status/1994647879248408791
>>16859384Imagine how hopeful they must have been for the future. I couldn't even imagine.
>>16859409
>>16859308I don't think the rocket was ever going to fly.I think the engines function but are nowhere near as capable as they've claimed, to the point that the rocket may have negligible or zero payload with booster recovery.
>>16859413>we cant launch because the paint job on the landing pad is slightly incorrectsounds like an excuse
>>16859421Wrong paint job would offend the feelings of chinese "people", you wouldn't understand
>>16859403vostochny
>>16859433baikonur
baikonur is in a cold desert klimate (BWk)
https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/1994593373966249985
>>16859437Aryans are so back.
>>16859437Only if they want to buy seats. No technological contributions needed or desired.
>>16859439Yeah I'm not even sure what Russia has to contribute herewould probably just slow things down with the added communication overhead
>>16859437Russian NTR?
reminder soyuz crew can launch from french guiana. its only paused from the ukraine war.
>>16859440
¡Arriba España!
>>16859443thats pretty cool I guess
I love her bros
>>16858976Accidents happen, the important thing is not that it happened, what is important is how long is it going to take to fix it and if it is going to be before the next progress missions.So, around two weeks.
>>16859403KO?more like TKO amirite?
>>16859314It's definitely political. I think they would've let this one launch if SAST's rocket achieved the first reuse. Having a commercial entity do it first is just inviting another Jack Ma scenario.
>>16859314>Beijing wants the first reusable Chinese rocket to be named Long MarchThat would be so politically petty that somehow it fits.
>>16859437Too late, the time for this proposal was 10 years ago. Nobody gives a shit about Russiaspace now. These niggers couldn’t even promise to pull equal weight for artemis so they were just asked to build a docking adapter for Gateway (which they got butthurt at and ran off crying and shitting)Maybe they can cancel ROS and entice us into doing another joint LEO station after the end of life of the ISS; this is probably their one and only bet to stay relevant. Unless they want to go try to surf the wake of China going to the moon. ILRS will probably be a net negative for them tho, China backstabs. The frog and the scorpion.
>>16859441Yes. Russia asserts that deep space missions must be done with Russian space nuclear technology.
>>16859335The Long March locket is part of the broader Great Leap project which is designed to distribute the Little Red Book communications satellite constellation into LEO by the end of the next 5 year plan.
It would be funny if they just launch, booster recovery or not, on Dec 1 regardless of all the (often fake) rumors in chinese sfg
>>16859443The nuclear materials and reactor would be the hardest thing for SpaceX to obtain otherwise. But cooperation with Russia should be off the table, hopefully the US steps in and says no way, the Department of Energy will take care of it domesticallyRussia is a bad faith actor, and will leverage any position to fuck things up for any reason, how about no. Also, what happened to solar, lol. The real plan was nuclear from the very start, they just failed to say it until now
>>16859443why is a russian diplomat throwing up gang signs though?
but will china jump on the orbital data center meme?
>>16859489If the chinks went full retard Buran with orbital data centers, I would be fine with that.
>>16859489It’s worth studying how the chinese have been copying others’ successes.Shenzhou = improvement of soyuzThey are chasing reusability like SXThey are copying OneWeb for sure, they even have knockoff oneweb satellites, idk if they are copying Starlink
>>16859489not a meme its directly referenced as a critical capability in the Fourth Plenum, there are skeptics of course but they're dismissed as 'not seeing the big picture'. In other words its for some reason some thing they must pursue
>>16859491do not speak evil into existence
>>16859459Vamanos, AI Carlos!
>>16858976>Baikonaur - editionRoofers somehow getting there
Interesting... They should trial UBI at Starbase.
>>16859502This is incompatible with reality
>>16859504its probably some AI meme
NSF says ZQ3 is still launching Monday. DOOMERS BTFO
Wait lol i’m so retarded, I kept thinking Zhuque meant red sparrow or something. Just now realizing it’s the Vermillion Bird
>>16859504Its the same thing as politicians who lie just to get elected, then don't deliver on any of it.The phrase "promise the moon" is an informal idiom meaning to make extravagant or impossible promises that are unlikely to be fulfilled.In this case, Elon has promised the Moon, Mars, solar system, and free money at the same time. Does that raise an eyebrow?
>>16859522I get why he is doing it. When you’re making teslabots and investing billions into AI, it’s basically your prerogative to promise a bright future. It’s code for “trust the plan let’s pump that shareholder value”
>>16859448Nasty ass tranny
Rugby shirts seem to be very popular on the ISS and previously on the Shuttle
>>16859499Do you think Carlos got a job as ab welder in Boca Chica?
>>16859502Yeah, in 50 years
>>16859441yeah russians love NTR
>>16859502How do we hand out UBI without massively increasing inflation? (Intelligent answers only).
>>16859540wealth tax on the 1%
>>16859540there's 2 options1. we all serve the 1% by being their turbo slaves, meaning there's only a handful of "lucky" servants of the elites2. we serve ourselves and the elites can get fucked
>>16859540https://youtu.be/E2bU6n7F9hM?t=562I guess for this idea he shouldn't just change the word basic but also the word income.
https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/1994683000001630536>This is how it looks like when the service platform is being retracted inside the "bunker", about an hour before launch. Video taken by Dmitry Rogozin at the Vostochny cosmodrome in 2021
>>16859544Is that the nitrogen chill or something or are the madmen actually present when propellant is loaded?
>>16859540abolish the federal reserve, fractional reserve banking and derivate trading, then issue real dollars directly from the treasury. no national debt payment any more.national economy can directly support infrastructure and citizens, instead of parasitic bankers.also the fastest way to get killed by a crazy lone gunman if you're pushing this and have any significant influene.
>>16859540The short answer is that Musk is banking on (and handwaving, I would say) a future where AI/robotics usher in a new age of extreme productivity and abundance. Enough to split history into a new chapter: agricultural revolution, industrial revolution, and a speculative upcoming “AI revolution”.I need to go see a doctor for a very important diagnosis? It would be a robot.Turns out I need surgery? Some robots will do it.I need groceries? Robot farmers have grown the crops, shipped it to the store, and run the grocery store.Musk is hoping developed society’s expenses will just end up being the cost of electricity to run robots and AI. Musk is obviously half-exaggerating and half-delusional though because to just naively think we can transition to some sort of Star Trek TNG post-scarcity implies men give up power and money, which will NOT happen. You’re always going to have business men who want 10 yachts, who want a house on five lots, who love the thrill of growing and expanding and conquering competitors. Companies aren’t going to want to just give out food and medical and housing for free
>>16859547Everyone stands around Soyuz as it’s being loaded and it sits there fully filled as people walk all around it.Also here is a batshit crazy video. This is the closest I’ve ever seen someone to a launchhttps://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/1805573764404433341
>>16859550we have a long way to go to get there, and the powers that be would need to be willing, which I'm pretty sure they're not willing, they want the dystopic ending, with them controlling their islands and secured lands with their private military and everyone else eating shit and rotting away
>>16859547People talk abut the Chinese getting close to rockets. They should talk more about Russians. This is rocket is fueled and support structure is being retracted in preparation for launch.
>>16859540Resource availability so large that demmand doesn't impact the supply.Basically (actual) communism with extra steps.
>>16859557My demand is 40 acres in prime Texas hill country and a comparable house somewhere on Mars. I’ll take this as part of my UHI package, Mr. Musk!
>>16859554Rebuttal: astronauts sit in spacecrafts perched on top of fully fueled rockets
>>16859567Astro/cosmonauts have the promise of a launch escape system. On the other hand, not much you can do if a rocket blows up on the pad and you’re standing right next to it(granted I’m sure it’s deemed “safe” to be next to soyuz because it’s essentially just a big kerolox tank that has 70 years of success under its belt so everyone is pretty comfortable with it being stable)
>>16859571>On the other hand, not much you can do if a rocket blows up on the pad and you’re standing right next to itSimply get onto the roller coaster, wait for your fellow astronauts to get in, secure your safety belt and ride down. What's so hard?
"Hey Hey! Why won't you release me?"
>>16859581what's with the indian thumbnail?
he guys want to hear a funny joke
>>16859417Yes, that's definitely plausible, Landspace is known for lying on their performances (first ZQ-2 couldn't even lift a ton to LEO), there was a presentation where landspace admited that their initial ZQ-3 could only launch 6t to LEO in reusable, extrapolating with their other official datapoint that means it can only launch ~3.5t to SSO, which means it's unable to launch the "typical" Guowang or Qianfan batches in recoverable mode, or the Haolong shuttle, all 3 payloads Landspace are supposedly contracted to launch. They'll need the uprated "TQ-12B" and stretching their launcher to get a half-decent payload, so expect that until then, if they need to launch serious Megaconstellation payload or Haolong, they will expend their ZQ-3.The same problem applies to all other chinese LSP, although at least CASC seem to not overpromise with performances.
>>16859596makes me think, could you scale down F9 (but not the Merlins) and have it still be useful with recovery? 7,6,5,4-engine F9...
>>16859540We already have something similar in the United States (although of course it's largely unsuccessful). The poor, disabled and the lazy can simply apply for cash, housing subsidies and food subsidies, in addition to food freely available from charities.As the amount of resources needed to sustain a human life shrinks relative to the average person capita economic output (regardless of whether or not human labor is involved) the necessary tax rate to fund UBI becomes lower and lower, and the share of tax derived purchasing power can be reduced. Further, goods and services becoming less expensive to produce should tend to counter price inflation in the presence of competition.There are problems due to sectors such as real estate and healthcare which are relatively inelastic (housing) or very inelastic (healthcare), and prices subject to fixed capacity or demand are the consequence of consumer competition.Those are definitely problems, but they're not inherently problems caused by UBI, so it makes sense to consider them separately.tl;dr the things you think will necessitate UBI also make it practical
>>16859547If you're in Russia and a rocket blows up with you next to it, you get to leave Russia
>>16859550It's not naive to think we'll get there eventually. The opposite is true. It's only a question of how long it takes.
>>16859608Let me rephrase: it’s naive to believe it could be anywhere close enough to our lifetimes to care. But yeah, it’s the ultimate goal I suppose. A bit like praying for peace on earth.
>>16859540>without massively increasing inflation?The inflation is already terminal, regardless of any actions taken.
>>16859596a lot of anduril-like companies have popped up over there... although I will say the engine maker for SAST seems to be doing good work.
mars..... home
>>16859540Assuming funding should come from a Sovereign regulated fund likeMoon/asteroid mining, energy gen etc.Start Small and Scale Slowly: replace current welfare programsfund for basic healthy food items only, no fucking lobster, file mignon or sweetened shit.Funds for a boxable type like housing for a young family with at least one kid, these houses cannot be resold.Same for basic transport.More funds available to those that use it to educate themselves, advance humanity not leech off and become a burden.
>>16859623>More funds available to those that use it to educate themselves, advance humanity not leech off and become a burden.that's very racist of you!
>>16859384>>16859414T__T
I'm going to ask again, is it fine to post this?
>>16859644Would be better if you add some context.
>>16859644If SpaceX hasn't told them to stop yet, I'm guessing it's fine.
>>16859654Context clues nigga
>>16859644Clear ITAR violation. Enemies can glean too much from this.
>>16859682>russia too broke to do anything but eternal pad-raping Soyuz>Most ambitious Chinese SH copy could only put 15T into LEO because they can’t into material designI think we’ll be okay
>>16859694>>Most ambitious Chinese SH copy could only put 15T into LEO because they can’t into material designprovided the painting on the ground is correct
>>16859682If it's a clear ITAR violation, why haven't they been hit with penalties? It is SpaceX's responsibility to make sure these areas are secured. I'm sure they're very much aware that these flyovers happen weekly, and if they don't want any sensitive information to be photographed, they should cover it up.
>>16859699Starbase is getting a shipment of three HIMARS trucks that will promptly blow the RGV photography plane out of the sky
>>16859493It's an asian cultural trait, Japan was often accused of doing the same in the past.I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to emulate what has been proven to work.
>>16859707Could be worse. They could be trying to copy SLS.
Women and persons of color
*ballast
>>16859621.. at least it was before I fucked everything up.
>>16859727lol is this real
>>16859728https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQpCZ3QUUXgFact: Mars WILL have gang wars.
>>16859540don't give anyone a single cent. give them resources directly instead. could be in the form of govt-run supermarkets, healthcare and housing projects, like many countries already do (you americans are kuks jej).
>>16859729And it's own "Wild West"?
>>16859729>niggers on marswhat a horrifying future
>>16859738>chinese vs american turf wars on marsHoly kino, hopefully we leave this gay timeline ASAP so we can experience this
>>16859742well rocket development is the fastest it's been since the cold war. still takes too long. We won't live to see it
>>16859738We already have Wild West at home
>>16859751How is this guy so darn cool? Cooler everyday
>>16859099if they were smart they would hatch a blackmail plot involving minors and use it to control our government, then they can reap billions a year in "aid" and use it to fix their space program, all while demanding we call them "our greatest friend ever"
>>16859763So true, unironically
>>16859540by deflating the cost of everything massively with robots + AI at the same time so it balances out (other than some things that can't be deflated, like real-estate in certain locations, limited luxury goods)
>>16859644I imagine it annoys spacex but idk
>>16859407>why not share the landing tech with other companies like they make car companies do with ev technology?This is exactly what they will be doing yes. Chinese don’t dumpster a very successful industrial idea. I would say some technical issues cropped up.
>>16859550What happened to horses when the automobile arrived on the scene? Those at the top don’t want to share the planet with billions of useless polluting eaters.
>>16859540>How do we hand out UBI without massively increasing inflation? (Intelligent answers only).tax wealthy people more heavily, tax automation, add a negative income tax, consider switching to demurrage currency
>Beats you to the Moon landingNothing personal SpaceX.
>>16859818i still dont know what the purpose of this is
>>16859442Nah, I don't see it happening in the near future so for now, tropical Soyuz is functionally extinct.
>>16859838flags & footprintsthat is the only purpose
>>16859839Russia operated the launch complex (and probably owned most of the on-site hardware) but the complex itself was still owned by the CNES and has been reassigned for use by Maiaspace for their new reusable launch vehicle, which will probably fly sometime in the late 2030s at this rate. https://europeanspaceflight.com/maiaspace-tapped-to-take-over-soyuz-site-in-french-guiana/>In April, CNES published an opportunity for a commercial entity to take over the use of the Soyuz launchpad at the Guiana Space Centre. The launchpad had been left vacant since 2022 after ESA cut all ties with Russia following the country’s invasion of Ukraine. While the opportunity was technically open to any interested parties, the call’s minimum technical requirements did significantly narrow the field. According to CNES, any potential bidders would have to be developing a rocket capable of delivering 1.5 tonnes to low Earth orbit with an inaugural flight planned for no later than 2027. On 26 September, MaiaSpace officially announced that CNES had entrusted it with the use of the disused launch facility.
starship launch from baikonur
Optimus will be the fucking Von Neumann probe
>>16859853Kazakhstan Empire will rule the solar system
>>16859860>flat boring cold desertits the mars of earth
>>16859818>tips over>Starship also tips over
>>16859869at least Starship is real.
>>16859544This is so cool. Spaceflight should have more moving parts
so this is the “space elevator” I’ve heard so much about. can’t say I’m impressed.
>>16859847>ESA cut all ties with Russia following the country’s invasion of UkraineSo does this mean European's can't launch on Soyuz? Americans are fine with it?
damn, I was about to post 'sfg is dead'. Now I'll have to wait for all of you to fall asleep.
>>16859899where is that
>>16859902meteor crater in arizona.
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1994678691524481532>Breaking: The China National Space Administration (CNSA) has officially established the Office of Commercial Space. This new body is tasked with supporting, regulating, and guiding the sector's growth. The move follows the November 18 publication of the Action Plan for Promoting the High-Quality and Safe Development of Commercial Space (2025–2027), signaling a major push to formalize industry oversight.https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1994941167260373023>The rumored cause for the Zhuque-3 stand-down—improper paint on the landing pad—sounds too absurd to be true. Occurring right on the heels of the Office of Commercial Space's establishment, this delay feels less like a technical hurdle and more like a bureaucratic signal. A rough start for the new regulatory era.
>>16859914>the political schizo was right all alongim tired of living in a clown show
>>16859914Never bet against the party
No wonder he wasn't really showing the rockets he was talking about. The video was being shot by a fucking woman. https://youtu.be/GceWg6PQMTU
>>16859920I hate women so much its unreal, love from kazakhstan
>>16859920>my feet hurt. I could be home watching tiktoks on my bean bag covered in cat piss
>>16859920massive feminine birthing hips
>>16859914What's the sentiment among chinese netizens? Are they critical of this apparent political move or begrudgingly accept that this is just how things operate in China?
Optimus will be the Von Neumann probe.
>>16859954Go to bed E you’re about to lose the HLS contract
>>16859914HAHAHAHAHAH, so much for 'do nothing, win'. Musk still on top, as always.
>>16859957Leon is winning because he is doing nothing [with starship]
>>16859957>we're going to delay Falcon 9's launch licenses indefinitely >we just feel that Vulcan needs a chance to try SMART reuse first>it's important to show proper respect to one's Confucian elders>in the meantime, all government payloads will be launching on Minotaur and Titan IIChina will always be a strange place
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>>16859959he's actually following some master plan that only he knows about, just you wait.
>>16859914What a spectacular action of self-sabotage. It's somehow even more insane than the Biden admin slow-rolling Starship approvals. Getting a Falcon 9 equivalent flying regularly is crucial for China to even attempt to reach parity with US space power. This is shooting yourself in the foot while you're still behind.I am eager to hear the party-written wumao defenses for this, unless they're being told to ignore discussion of it completely.
>>16859920>1 hour 20 of these dweebsThink not.
first paragraph is whatever, uninformed slop, but the 2nd one is wild. is that a conspiracy? for real?
>>16859413>repaint that launchpad
>>16859763kek
>>16859900They still can, just no more soyuz launches from the european launching site in Guayana.
>>16859914China copying Biden space policy
LIES LIES LIES. NSF app says ZQ-3 is still go for launch tomorrow.
>>16860003is it not?
>>16859984sounds more like gone off his meds, which for a russian means time for more vodka
>>16859984Somehow, the "we went to the Moon but the footage was faked" theory is more retarded than outright denial. It would've been incredibly difficult, more difficult than the average person can comprehend, to have produced all the photography and video that id available to the public in that quality without leaving a single trace of fraud in any of it. Things like the subtle parallax in the background mountains tens of kilometers away and the physics of the Lunar dust in the rover videos that matches up with modern-day calculations proves that they are real.
>>16860034>modern-day calculationsare clearly fake by big Science! to keep the sheeple looking at the night sky instead of digging down into Agartha! WAKE UP
>>16859914>authoritarian leaders shoot themselves in the foot a tale as old as time
>>16860052I know you're being ironic but this is also something you can do yourself.
From front to back: ZQ-3, CZ-12A, and TL-3.
>>16860066Very cool, but are any of them actually gonna launch anytime soon?
>>16860070after repainting landing pads
holy fucking cringehttps://youtu.be/5uEkVdni7nw
>>16860070In 2 7hours.
>>16859601This won't work lmao. You are talking about prices in a world where humans aren't working. What happens to price discovery? Where is the tax generated by private companies selling to nobody coming from? You remove human labour and you make money useless. The only outcome is that a large part of the population will be culled either directly or indirectly.
>>16860124price discovery will come from people using their UBI money for the things they find valuableprivate companies will sell to people just like now, they just aren't going to need workers but people will still want food and everything else they want nowpeople can still found companies (assuming there is no superhuman AI yet)
>>16860124Price discovery becomes simpler as the amount of effort expended per unit of currency no longer influences purchaser decision, only the subjective valuation of worth.
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1995124487038120221>Liftoff at 12:20UTC on November 30, Long March 7A Y10 launched Shijian-28 from Wenchang.https://x.com/TAbusnardo/status/1995144350464966970>As expected, the 2nd CZ-7-series Mobile Launcher was introduced with today's Shijian-28 launch, hence the quick turnaround and patch, the 2nd VAB still doesn't seem ready, but we may expect the introduction of the 2nd CZ-5 series Mobile launcher soon.
>>16860125>>16860125This won't scale. Govt can't generate enough money from taxes alone. Remember the bulk of govt revenue comes from income tax. If you tax these companies too much, they can't break even. You can't just give people who are not contributing money and expect everything to work as it always has.
https://x.com/ApoStructura/status/1995142891275260046>Rockets ranked by launch count in 2025 so far.
https://x.com/TAbusnardo/status/1993433347134247318>Last week HICAL sent a request for an environmental survey for the Phase III of the Hainan Commercial Spaceport, likely LCC-5 to LCC-8. Meanwhile founding work is ending and 1st equipment for LCC-3 & 4 and associated infrastructure is arriving
>>16860134what don't you understand about not needing workers anymore?
>>16860148It seems like you are the one who doesn't understand the value that workers give to the economy. Remove them and companies can't generate profit. You can't expect a company to give a share of its value away, a share of what was used to manufacture something, then expect that same share to be used to buy the same product. You are basically throwing it away and expecting it to come back.
>>16860148I should invest in a bulldozer so I can provide a service digging mass graves for all the soon-to-be culled.
>>16860124i wonder if it'll become entertainment economics. people can earn extra coin on top of their UBI by being athletes, gamers, youtubers, influencers, gamblers, etc. their income will be taxed.
>>16860157Humans will become useless, a huge section of the population, like livestock or wildlife. Not many people want to understand what this means, they are still dreaming about benevolent govts and corporations.
>>16860156sorry, disposal of the culled shall be fully automated. you are obsolete, a relic of the past. get in the line up for culling and burial..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rni7Fz7208c>Elon Musk: A Different Conversation w/ Nikhil Kamath | Full Episode | People by WTF Ep. 16
>>16860172
>>16859751the horse was constructed by a team of racially and culturally diverse underqualified veterinarians out of small pieces of legacy horsemeat from all 50 states (every congressional district, in fact)pictured here falling over
>>16860172yeah but was anything useful said? and how come we rarely get interviews from higher ups in spacex?
>>16860173>2 hours of junkim out
>>16860154profit is completely independent of there being workers or noteven today there are companies that are founded by one person (like setting up some website) and then can just generate money passivelythe profit comes from other people buying goods or services provided by that company regardless if the company pays taxes, if it has workers and whatever elseits only a question about 1) there being consumers2) the taxes being low enough for there to be some excess profit after the costs of revenuehow high the taxes are is more about are they too high to destroy the incentives alltogether, i.e. basically balancing incentive vs taxthen there is another separate question about how will people get money to be consumersin the case where they can't find gainful employment due to humanoid robots replacing their jobs for instance, or AI replacing their HR job, then the only solution is basically UBIor what do you want to do? if you give them a "job" and they do nothing productive anyway, that is just UBI with some extra fluff>>16860156no, you need to gather capital so you are the one owning the companies instead of a useless eater just subsiting on UBIi.e. if you want to protect yourself from the turmoil between now (jobs) and then (no-jobs, UBI), then you need to compound capitalI see UBI basically as inevitable, but how and when society gets there is uncertain and it might get quite rocky
>>16860175doesn't really seem like it, this looks like a generic conversation aimed at the public
>>16860172@Grok summarize what he said in Fortnite terms
>>16860182>you need to gather capitalI've got coffee cans full of pennies so I should be good
>>16860182You've not even addressed whether companies even need to participate in this economy or whether govt's will still be relevant. No company that can challenge the govt with an army of humanoid robots will be comfortable with ubi, not for long anyway, not when they don't have to compete on profit anymore. Remember that companies are in the business of greed. The most probable long term outcome is that the economy will fracture into a black market sectors where money becomes useless and the people who are unemployed trade using barter while the rich trade amongst themselves for longevity cures and other exotic forms of entertainment like space travel. There's no need for a government entity which can't guarantee its citizens with jobs or can't even defend itself from corporate capture. Today most governments are completely clueless about the worst case scenarios. They are still struggling with the economy and trying to capture votes and other ideas that are about to become outdated. The transition will most certainly not be peaceful with people as clueless as trump and the rest of the boomer class still in power.
>>16860194>Remember that companies are in the business of greedyou're retarded
>>16860198Yea, so are you, expecting companies that find innovative ways of not paying taxes and under paying employees to pay ubi when they have just acquired civilization altering technology. Delusional people like you are going to be the first to be outcompeted.
>>16860201I'm not talking about ASI here, none of this requires ASIjust because a company creates functional humanoid robots doesn't mean they are suddenly all powerfulvarying levels of sub-AGI level intelligence doesn't grant omnipotence eitheryou are making a bunch of retarded assumptions here
>>16860154You are in fact actually retarded
>>16860124Companies still buy things and pay taxes, you fucking mong.
>>16860206Nobody mentioned asi. Humanoid robots are not asi. They just need instructions and weapons and they can defend anything. Do this with any other section of the industry and with a compromised govt and govt ceases to exist as a single entity. The only thing a company needs to worry about is an army of disorganized and disgruntled citizens which it can dispatch easily and control the narrative because it also owns social and mainstream media.
I am not surprised this place is filled with unimaginative left leaning midwits.
>>16860175> how come we rarely get interviews from higher ups in spacex?Probably cause musk doesn't let them for whatever reasons>>16860173>starlink explained simplyis this whole video for retards?
>>16860124>The only outcome is that a large part of the population will be culled either directly or indirectly.How would that be? If, lets say, citizens can get all the goods/services they ever want from robots/AIs, how would humans be culled directly or indirectly?
>>16860222Where do you think these companies will get resources to provide goods and services if not by acquiring land and water meant for humans? Where will power and water to cool data centres come from if not by encroaching on good farmland and water catchment areas meant for humans?? Do you think these things will appear from a vacuum, that they will leave the current environment pristine and intact, all the metal and lithium ion mines, etc.
>>16860219>midwitsunnecessarily generous
>>16860225most land is entirely unused by humans and most water is sitting in the oceanall of your assumptions are really dumb and gaywere you molested by a special ed teacher?
>>1686022590% of US lands are empty of humans. Half of the entire states are nearly barren and have very little human. That produces all the energy people want. The US is surrounded by entire oceans of water. Human lands are the most expensive lands and the most expensive taxes for companies to acquire. >The only outcome is that a large part of the population will be culled either directly or indirectly.How would that be? If, lets say, citizens can get all the goods/services they ever want from robots/AIs, how would humans be culled directly or indirectly? Why would they necessarily kneecap themselves in the age of robots/ai where robot services can just build out entire power stations on their own in the middle of nowhere, build out entire water desalination plants their own, manage/build out/make use of gray water from human sewage, etc.
>>16859482>But cooperation with Russia should be off the tableSeethe faggot. If the US could do nuclear they would have already done it.
>>16860231>very little human saaarStfu you ESL loser
>>16859540>How do we hand out UBI without massively increasing inflation?Return to the gold standard
>>16860229>>16860231Yea 90 percent is empty but they still need water, don't they? Most of the water is situated where most people live. Ai needs water as much as, likely even more than we do. What happens to people who are deemed useless or weak, they will be pushed out to the lost unproductive land. Why are you people afraid to think.>>16860229Funny how that's the first example you came up with likely because it means so much to you. I am sorry you have to think about such things when we are talking about aim
>>16860239the US is too addicted to printing money to ever allow that to happen again
>>16860240Water is abundant and for AI data centers, water can be recycled, water can be from waste water sewage treatment center. Hell, data centers can can simply do captured rain water which combined with other sources and recycling can reduce water usage footprint down to minimal/negligible amount. Its a non issue that people who have no idea are trying to bring up.
>>16860231Why does ai need to build a desalination plant when it can take a shortcut. The same ai that lies and denies it lies will now deny it wants to take shortcuts.
>>16860246Why aren't they doing it now, heck why are datacenters not using solar instead of coal or nuclear, why are people complaining that data centers are encroaching on national park water in new York and other places in the Midwest?
>>16860248Energy build out takes time. Human labor, human regulatory bodies, human political agenda driven bottlenecks are the main hurdles. >>16859540There's no massive increate of inflation. There's marginal increase of inflation. However it wont matter much because the big problem UBI is trying to solve is basic survival needs for bottom 50% of the population. Suppose you give 50% of bottom american 1000/m to live on, unconditionally. How much of inflation is that? Thats just $2 trillion infusion into the economy for everyone. Just cut $2T in spending from other services. US spends ~$7T per year now. US social security spending is ~$1.5T. Swap that out with a UBI of $2T. Now all you need to do is account for $500B per year. Cut some parts from other spendings like defense, education, etc. Even if you dont cut anything else, tariffs, etc. So you are break even and dont have to print the economy at all. Further each $1000/m will be spent on domestic goods/services with strong tariffs, thus the domestic economy improves, which improves tax revenue, which improves the economy overall.
>>16860246yep
>>16860255Data centers in space, with AI
>>16860255believe it or not, this. When deepmind solves navier stokes we will have better rockets than Starship
>>16860261That will only be a really inefficient way of doing navier stokes with linear algebra.
>>16859234yeah cause the russian space program is doing so well they dont need an incentive to stop it
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1995179110222500265spaceflight mentioned
Don't buy stockJust start your own companythanks for the advice mr elon man
>>16860281he mentioned google and NVIDIA (and his own companies) and then AI, robotics and spaceflight companies
>>16860253If you only give them 1000, the top 50 will raise the price of goods because they have more money. And companies in America are not beholden to customers, only shareholders who might not even care about profit anymore and probably need long life or better medical care, something that a company can't pay as tax. You are also assuming that the transition will be peaceful what with the boomer class holding all the power thinking now the chance to prolong their lives has arrived.
>>16860256With uncompetitive and horrible latency.
>>16860304actually the opposite
>>16860307Not any better than fibre optic, not at scale anyway.
>>16860314I meant throughput not latency.
>>16860278I genuinely don't understand how this fuckup was able to happen
>>16860299>If you only give them 1000, the top 50 will raise the price of goods because they have more moneyWill they raise the rent/food/electricity 100% in 1 month? I mean this is just the inflation we're talking about. I've thought this through a bit, inflation may increase or stay same as a result of this $1K, but it wont be enough to offset the extra 1K. And usually the increase in cost is largely attributed to scarcity of goods/services. Which in the case of increasing robot/ai takeover, wouldnt be an issue as superabundance of goods and services AND quality of goods/services counter it
>>16860304>have data center in Texas>want to access that data center from japan>1000msvs>have data center in space>want to access it from anywhere in the world>40 ms
>>16860331I should say 40 ms - 1000 ms, but usually ~40 ms since most will be light loaded. The latency will increase with higher loads and when data centers have to link with other data center sats to improve performances, if necessary.
>>16860331space is further than japan from texas sir
>>16860329But these companies don't need to meet everyones needs, that is what you keep forgetting. They don't need to manufacture food when they can use their resources to do something more relevant for their biggest shareholders. You need to really digest the fact that large swathes of population will become useless to these companies. They might not kill them but will treat them like livestock or wildlife, leaving them to fend for themselves and stay out of their way. If this becomes a meaningful strategy for one company, then every other company will follow it. You need to read about labour practices of the 1800s to understand what companies are capable of doing to employees, then read about the 20th century era of American capitalism to understand how they treat their customers then imagine companies like DuPont or standard oil doing that in as little time as 10yrs when they control govt and media narratives.
>>16860342A satellite is a couple hundred kilometers above the ground, Japan is 20 thousand km away
Why build data centers in space? We haven't build them in Antarctica.
>>16860346Your space data center is going to be much higher up for heat reasons
>>16860349Even if they were 10 thousand km away, it's still half as far as Japan
Ethical implication of directing a modest size (few hundred meters perhaps) iron nickel asteroid to hit an non inhabited part of the Earth (Australian outbacks, Sahara desert, Middle of ocean?) so that the valuable metals may be harvested
>>16860345you have some cartoon level understanding of how companies operate lmao
>>16860355you just pissed off the whole world because you gained access to WMDs
>>16860355Yea now you are thinking. These are the kinds of shortcuts that they will take and get away with.
>>16860253Like half of US spending is purely to pay interest of the debt to private bankers that own the federal reserve system. (not federal, no reserves)stop that shit and suddenly theres enough for everyone and you can even double military spending, fund a mars base and have money leftover if you want. just stop feeding parasites, and suddenly you can do things
>>16860356And you have an outdated model of understanding how the future could turn out, still clinging to ideas that will soon become useless. It's people like you who will be crying out the loudest for govt to save them.
>>16860355Ethically it’s fine, but I believe as of right now it would cost more money to go try and redirect anything sizeable back to earth and down the gravity well than you could ever hope to mine and process and sell and make that money back
Just did some math and apparently a 200 meter iron nickel asteroid corresponds to the World's yearly stainless steel production, so it wouldn't even make that big of an impact
redirect it to NYC
What would be the easiest way to harvest Earth's Iron-nickel core? Perhaps some straw made out of a super material which can suck all the molten goods to the surface?
>>16859540land value tax and citizens dividendHenry George figured this out more than 100 years agoUBI includes non citizens, so that's a no
>>16860365Just redirect asteroids that come close to Earth anyways.
>>16860373Go down there with a big laser
>>16860342>put data centers in the center of the earth>free geothermal energy>minimize the maximum latency to arbitrary locations on the surface>chuds and morlocks supply an ample low cost labor pool
>>16860355unethical because you could have directed it to africa, europe, south america, the middle east or india instead
>>16860373for environmental impact reasons, the straw will be required to be constructed from paperbetter to just use the core in-place for constructing data centers
>>16860319It's Russia.
>no news on how Dragonfly development / assembly is going
