In terms of job availability, which letter in STEM is the worst?

In terms of job satisfaction, which letter in STEM is the best?

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>>16859058
>worst job market since the 1930s edition
I thought we were supposed to avoid doom scrolling...

>>16859063
Worst for jobs: M. And one of the regulars can attest to that.
Best for job satisfaction: S.

t.Physicist

I don't know if it's a bad job market or if I'm the one doing something wrong.

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>TS/SCI
>200k starting
>any job I want

>>16859102
Based, thank you for the sincere answer. I'm currently a physics major myself.

>>16859063
>>16859102
I majored in math and became a high school math teacher. There are no other math jobs except maybe like an actuary or something.

I'm trying to get out of teaching HS. Are software and data "science" jobs soul sucking? If so, why?

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>finally get a tenure track position
>just in time for research funding to completely dry up
>mfw

>>16859231
>want people with TS clearance
>unwilling to hire someone and sponsor them for a TS clearance
why are they like this? i've applied to dozens of jobs asking for someone eligible for a clearance and i dont remember a single one of them interviewing me

Under no circumstances get a math degree.

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What's the most amount of money you can make in academia? I'm just curious because I wonder if my PI does this out of mental illness or love of the game.

>>16859496
At a smaller school or a primarily undergraduate institution (PUI), best case an assistant prof is hitting $50-60K starting in most parts of the country. Maybe $70-80K once you hit full professor. But, profs at research-heavy institutions can easily get into $100K+ territory once they start supplementing pay with their additional work hours from a grant. The real money, however, is in putting in enough years and making enough connections to get elected to a chair or dean position. My doctoral advisor ended up accepting a position as the CLAS dean at my university and he's pulling in almost $300K. Admin positions pay fucking *crazy* amounts compared to just teaching and research, though they put you in a position where you're also more publicly liable for fuck ups.

>>16859527
>$70-80K once you hit full professor
lol wtf. you can get that much as a fresh engineering grad with nothing but an EIT

>>16859297
why couldn't he just find another pair of glases?

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I sent off an abstract to a conference and got put on the waitlist as it was "very close to being accepted."
There are ~30 people presenting, what are the odds that someone would turn down an offer for this sort of thing?

Guess who's getting cancelled for, you guessed it, threatening to rale his supervisor to death.

>>16859695
*Rape

Fuck me... Fuck my stemcel life...

>>16859640
dude couldn't see five feet in front of him - the fuck is he supposed to do wander the face of the earth groping around until he stumbles across a pair of intact spectacles with his fucked up prescription? he'll be lucky if he can find his way back to food and shelter.

>>16859635
yeah, but that's a completely different career for a complete different kind of person

are you surprised that people choose their job based on factors other than salary?

>>16859730
Shut the fuck up.

>>16859635
In 2025 you can't lmao

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>”Duuuuude, just get a degree, it doesn’t matter what it’s in, you have a TS/SCI you’ll be able to make six figures easily after you EAS”
>can’t even get a call back on an internship
ONE (nothing wrong with me)
TWO (nothing wrong with me)
THREE (nothing wrong with me)
FOUR (nothing wrong with me)


>>16859474
listen to this man

>>16859776
you DID use your GI bill to get a degree in something useful like engineering, right??

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>more call backs from scammers than companies
Are we really at a point where Indians are more responsive to job applications. This shit is so fucked.

>>16859780
Why do ex military get degrees?
You already have welfare you can do whatever you want.

>>16859815
Yes, why should we give free handouts to the people that willingly risked their lives to protect yours?

Fuck em.

Thinking about going to uni for civil engineering after a couple year break since sixth form. Anyone got any website to recommend for students/beginners?

>>16859817
Willingly risked their lives to play cowboys and indians in the middle east purely for the enjoyment.

>>16859058
applying for phd programs. getting hopeful. kind of want to get a tattoo to celebrate as nobody in my family has ever gotten this far. probably'll do my forearm. i'll prep myself for negative career consequences but realistically will anyone actually give a shit?

>>16859817
>risked their lives to protect yours?
two oceans and more nukes than anyone else makes infantry redundant beyond belief.

>>16859893
Don't count your chickens before they're hatched. Get it after your defense.

>>16859893
Are you a woman? What the fuck kind of a post is this? Not what we want to see in here.

Picture this, I'm in Rio for ICLR and I've just done a shoey with the Aussie shorts guy... then I punch my supervisor through the poster board so hard he can no longer walk.

>>16859893
the only 4chan post that may have actually been written by a woman

>>16859893
Weirdest thing I have read in these threads. Is this how women think? I have applied to go study for a phd and therefore I need a tattoo?

>>16860016
>>16860020
>>16860046
>t. jeets/people who've never had an achievement worth being proud over
it pertains to a career in STEM and belongs in this thread.
>>16859893
go for it, anon.

>>16860135
Your shit PhD is nothing to be proud about. Now apologise to each any every poster in this thread for your posts.

>>16859894
You're fucking retarded. We have nukes so that we never have to use them. It's called deterrence. Wars MUST be the way they are now, because it's safer for the whole fucking planet this way.

>>16860135
Listen you are going to get a lot of pushback on this forum for being a woman but I want you to know you are valid and we need more women in STEM so don't let it get you down :)

>>16860258
Getting a STEM PhD is a achievement even though it can be worthless careerwise. Applying to a STEM PhD is not a fucking achievement. Even starting a PhD program is not a fucking achievement.

>>16860263
And yet china has detonated multiple nukes under the border near Niagara so that shows how much you know you libtarded moron.

>>16860266
oh it's an achievement alright, 100 good boy points for finishing the game without cheats...

>>16860270
oh sorry good girl points, given there's a lady in presence...

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This webm sums up academia.

Support cage: Artificially constrain problem domain
Retard: PhD Student
Pusher: PI
Skateboard: Level of skill and agility in academia

>>16859893
I have applied to 200 PhDs so now I must get 200 tattoos?
You women think life is a cakewalk or something.

>>16860292
lmao

I majored in Chemistry but the career prospect is so shit that it's making me question my life decision and the current job market right now isn't helping. I just want a comfy 9-5 job that pays well and is respected. I don't wanna to do another 2 years getting a Masters and then another 4-6 years doing a PhD slaving for a neurotic workaholic PI only to get a job with a mediocre salary. Plus the areas of research that I am interested in don't have much career prospects in industry so what's even the fucking point anymore?
I'm thinking of doing a 2nd Bachelors in Engineering or maybe a trades. The future is so fucking bleak. Wished I had never been memed into Science. "Following your passion" is the gayest shit ever and it's never did me any good.

>>16859058
Is getting into CS/Math academia actually doomed for Americans?

I'm just now starting to consider Masters or PhD. But, at my state University I realized H1B visa jeets, chinese, and foreigners run my school's STEM faculty. And all their students are the same. The two research groups I applied to for undergrad experience never contacted me.

I started looking into other schools and I'll be damned if I can find a school without hoards of foreigners as faculty and grad students.

I still feel hopeful, 3.8 GPA, award for a personal project, veteran. Not getting a single interview (non OSA) for internships is kinda messing with my motivation though. I don't know why I fell for believing this was the way out.

What are options for new/soon to be grad? Should I focus on learning how to start my own business? I've got great ideas, but have no idea how I would convince other people to work with me, let alone for free, given the state of the economy.

>>16860626
It's better than computer science.
But don't expect to do anything except warehouse and food delivery unless you get a PhD.

>>16859635
okay, and your point?

>be me
>get 24 credits in chemical engineering
>get meme'd into learn 2 code
>switch to software engineering
>accumulate 70 credits
>get a 6 months internship
>get a random full time webdev job offer
>accept it
>get fired 6 months later
>AI is raping the job market and I don't have a degree
>can't tell if it's permanent or not given that there's a new slosh of new grads every year while the people who get fired are also applying to the same jobs as the new grads

Now I am hesitating to go back to chemical which would definitely take longer though I might get credited a few software classes for the 12 credits allocated to personal options, but I don't know. I will also be changing school (to an easier one) so they might also not accept all of my credits. I enjoyed both software and chemical. I genuinely cannot take a decision and I don't have anyone to discuss this with all of my friends and family are somewhat dismissive. I would love to hear your opinions on my current conundrum

>>16860642
Academia and pursuing graduate studies seems only worth it if you come from a shithole country and want to immigrate to a first world, as the residence requirement already fulfill that part of the years of residence requirements. It's so over for whiteys

>>16860678
>>get 24 credits in chemical engineering
So that's basically less than a year of finished studies? Why can't you finish your CS degree instead?

>>16859815
When I was in college there was an ex-military guy there. He used to walk around with this camo back pack on that had the straps drawn so tight it looked like some kind of BDSM gear.
He was in my calculus 1 class and said it was his 3rd time attempting the class.
I laughed in his face and said "thank you for your service" and then knocked him out cold with a right hook. His head bounced off the desk like a god damn bobble head.

>>16860720
And then everyone clapped

I lied, cheated, and scammed my way through college. Dropped out twice. 4 different institutions on my transcript. Over 12 years of coursework for a bachelor's degree. Transcript is a wasteland of Ws and Fs. In the end I only graduated because I got lucky with COVID, which made cheating much easier and it was easier to guilt trip the professors. My GPA was exactly high enough to clear graduation requirements to the hundredths place. Even with all that, I still only graduated on a technicality that they immediately changed in the official department handbook after I graduated (accepting Ds as passing grades for major coursework.)

>>16860678
It is permanent. First jobs replaced by AI are the high paying low skill requirement jobs. Chemical engineering will be way more valuable long term.

Anyone telling you otherwise is stupid or deluded.

>>16860702
>why can't you finish software engineering
There is no real reason that I cannot finish SWE. It's more so that I don't know how worthwhile it will be to graduate as a software engineer in around a year and a half. It looks to me that the people who recently got into the industry are amongst the last to have had it easy to get in. There is no shortage of new software engineers/comp sci grads now that a lot of really good programmers got fired and are actively looking for jobs in a completely frozen hiring market. There's a big buffer of talented/certified coders to be hired from along with the billion h1bs/brown imports. Two of my friends are in good companies and they are not hiring. They only hire to replace people changing jobs. The truth is that I am not an incredible coder. I have had projects with a lot of people and I probably landed in the middle of the pack which I cannot tell if it will workout of me long term with AI in say 10 years. The current models are able to do so much I can't even fathom what it will be soon.


>>16860760
>Chemical engineering will be way more valuable long term.
This is my fear. There is reason to be a professional software engineer and therefore anyone who can code can be a "software engineer". When the computer writes the code of 100 engineers with one ubermensch architect prompting everything where will all the programmers go?

I thank you both for helping me out

You think this is a fucking joke? You have no idea how close I am to breaking both of your orbital bones

>>16860774
Anon I am fairly certain that you just don't want to study SE but somehow need justifications for why you won't do something you don't want to do.

In case you are very new to adulting, I suggest considering that you can simply not do something you don't want to do, unless there's a court order or a substantial risk of getting punched in the teeth should you not do it, in which case you still have the full capacity to not do that, it will just have substantial consequences.

>>16860904
I am actually getting old and doing 3 years of chemical will put me at nearly 30 and I don't really want that. SE is the easy way out for me. Should I care that I will be an old man when I finally finish school? My friend works at CAE and I would love to do his job, but the whole company is on a hiring freeze and I can't tell how long this will last. I am rambling a lot at this point I just don't know what to do.

>>16861045
>At most 26
>Getting old
It's over, just kill yourself now and be done with it.

>>16861076
You're not helping me with such comments !

Consultancies are not facing a bright future:
>Top consultancies freeze starting salaries as AI threatens ‘pyramid’ model
https://archive.ph/3YYjB
>Top consultancies have frozen starting salaries for the third consecutive year as artificial intelligence starts to reshape the industry, forcing firms to reconsider their traditional “pyramid” structure.
>“There are real productivity improvements from AI implementation inside firms,” said Namaan Mian, chief operating officer of Management Consulted, adding that the ability to wring more value from fewer junior employees “is putting downward pressure on salaries”.
Expect more Oxycontin grade advice coming up as alignment fails.
>Starting salaries for consultants at the Big Four — Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC — which tend to be lower, have stagnated for even longer, showing no increase since 2022.
>Some industry executives say that the more conservative hiring practices are in anticipation of productivity gains from AI, not because those gains are necessarily yet being realised.
Fun will be had when they realise there are not enough juniors anymore to promote to senior positions plus more juniors when they discover their forecasts were over optimistic.

Should I change cities for the sake of a PhD?

>>16861221
I remember the slowdowns in 2019. Many people couldn't get jobs 2018 and 2019 and had to be bailed out by the job boom of late 2020.

It's time for me to finally stop trying to chase my passion that keeps hopping subjects and just pick a career. I'm thinking some type of engineering. How's it looking for electrical engineers right now?

>>16861268
You should always be prepared to travel for grad school.

>>16860269
God you're so fucking stupid. What the fuck is the point you're even trying to make? That deterrence isn't real?

Fucking delusional schizo, stop replying to me. Fucking kill yourself.

Do Engineers look down on Engineer technologists? Every time I visit job forums, the engineering grads are always whining that they can't find a 'real' engineering job and that they've only been working in technologists roles. But desu being able to work with your hands and tinker with cool systems seems to be more interesting than sitting in a wagiecagie and rotting your eyes in front of the computer. What's wrong with being a technologists exactly?

>>16861295
Even if I got fired from my 100k job and have a family and now the only PhDs that I can get are the ones in small cities?

>>16861408
Because the forklift license didn't need a degree

>>16861297
*Rapes you*

Q sent me.

>>16861485
If you are not prepared to move across the country or to another country if you're not American, you probably shouldn't attempt grad school.

am I permafucked with a low undergrad gpa?

>>16851189
>I got poisoned by toxic gas a bunch of times.
That is perfectly normal. I was fried a couple of times by a crystallography X-ray machine, had to wait outside the office of the university radiation protection officer while they calculated if I was going to survive or not. Also had some problems with asbestos, arsenic, and barium, ended up in hospital, feeling like a wreck.
I survived, you will too. WAGMI!

>>16861829
>crystallography X-ray machine
larp

>>16861526
Ok just applied for the position.
Maybe I shouldn't have attached my grades so the application and just the first page of my degree instead.

>be me
>Fail the phd candidate
>Question how to stop being stupid?

>>16859635
>>16859527
The point of professor is not the direct salary but the power you get. You get invited to all over the world, you have a chill job in your office, you can decide which projects you do and you get to manage very expensive projects that you will direct but not do all the dirty lab work (thats for PhD students). All of that while you can claim all their achievments for yourself. You might not be swimming in money directly but you get free travels across the world and a lot of power.

>>16860292
It almost sounds like one of those pajeet linked in posts. Add a smiley to every sentence and you have the perfect linkedin shitpost

>>16861076
>>16861045
Lmao I'm 30 and just started my phd. Nobody gives a fuck about your age. In my defence I look like 20 tho

>>16861864
Not that anon but no way it's larp. X-ray diffraction is the most basic bitch method you use in cristallography

>>16861992
Same except I have a family to feed but maybe $950 after taxes per week is ok

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Seeking advice for my situation
>schizoid autist from poor country in eastern europe
>“good” at science, work my ass off to get accepted to US college for biochem undergrad on a visa
>plan to complete college, study for the MCAT and get into US med school
>look into stats
>international students make up less than 1% of matriculating students yearly
>most of those are Canadian anyway
>the schools that DO take international students are the expensive private ones I cannot afford
>i am barred from most internships due to being international, can’t even volunteer without violating something meaning I literally cannot get the clinical hours I need without some form of fraud
>halfway through my second year of undergrad now. Meeting with my advisor didn’t help. So many sleepless nights ruminating over my options.
>lots of rage at first but slowly accepting the crushing reality that my original life plan is likely impossible.
Now I genuinely don't know where to go. Do I transition my focus to a PhD in Biochem instead? Biotech job market is shit though.

>>16861998
It's easier to become a doctor in eastern Europe

>>16862002
It really is. I’m such an idiot.

>>16861947
lol. lmao even.
nigga, i work 80+ hours during the semester and i pay for most of my research and conferences out of pocket. you're out of your goddamned mind if you think this shit's chill.

i like teaching and mentoring - that's the sole fucking reason i put up with this shit.

>>16861993
He would have called it X-ray diffraction (bonus points if just XRD like a normal person) if it weren't larp, but he said
>crystallography X-ray machine
like XRD isn't day 1 terminology lmao

>>16859058
I'm a first year that just started an applied Math course and I'm so lost. I read all the course material for the finals and I sorta understand everything but I don't know if I actually do, how do I make sure that I really understand the material?

>>16862083
A bit desperate attempt to save there, anon.

>>16862270
Math is a synonym for coder and how many times do we have to tell you idiots to stop studying computer science?
Can't you see India and managers killed the job market? Studying philosophy is better than studying computer science.
Study computer science if you are indian, if not then stop, you're basically cutting your wrists.

>>16860266
>Getting a STEM PhD is a achievement
*getting a STEM PhD from a top 50-100 university globablly is an achievement

just getting a STEM PhD is completely worthless, it's just a paper that says "anon did his time and handed in the paperwork"

>>16862041
Depends on the country and university I guess then

>>16862335
No that's specifically what I was calling out in the beginning lmao

>>16861800
No. Just go to Europe and get a master's.

>>16862270
>applied Math course
lmao

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES GET A MATH DEGREE

>>16862345
>just getting a STEM PhD is completely worthless, it's just a paper that says "anon did his time and handed in the paperwork"
This is wrong, even painfully wrong.

>>16855741
>How do you continue to work at a job where your boss wants you fired when you do good work and your co workers like you?
Start applying for other relevant jobs and use your co workers as references. Never stay with an evil boss.

>>1686235
>just getting a STEM PhD is completely worthless, it's just a paper that says "anon did his time and handed in the paperwork"

If this is true why do people take 7+ years to fail out of PhD programs? I completed my PhD in 3.5 years (normal time in Sweden is 5 years). Some guy at my school fluked out after 7 year lmao but he still got a job.

>>16862345
Ranking based on whomst?
Anglos rate their cambridge/oxford higher
Asians rank their unis like NTU or some chinese unis higher
How do you even define top 100?

Is it worth it getting a PhD for Patent Law (Agent to Lawyer hopefully)? The subject is interesting but I wouldn’t want to be stuck there for 7 years for a superfluous reason. And RFK gutted all the funding so my chances are even worse yay…

>>16862539
Wdym? How does it work with your country?
In germany for example to become patent attourney you need to get masters in some STEM field and then take a special 3 year education for patent attourney while also working in some patent company. Its not a PhD per se.
If you do a PhD (not as patent attourney, PhD is in some science subject) you get like more good boy points because some large firms love having a Dr. Ing. or some shit for their patent thingy.
After successfully becoming an attourney you can pass another test to become European Patent Attourney. Its kinda not that obvious subject.

>>16862500
It's actually so fucking true you victim

>>16862543
I’m German but studying in the U.S. where I was planning to stay. But yes, it’s a similar process from what I’ve heard. Get a STEM graduate degree, take the Patent Bar exam, work as a Patent Agent for a few years and hopefully the company sponsors you for law school while you work, become a lawyer proper. My issue was whether a Master’s would be enough in this job market or whether I should pursue a PhD here instead.
I should probably come back to Germany though. Trump clearly doesn’t want me here
Thank you anon!

Just noticed it sounds like I’m whining. Sorry about that. Just worried for my future is all

>>16862560
No problem! Masters is perfectly sufficient but in germany they require at least one year of industrial work experience. This means that after your masters you had to have worked for one year at some company that is actually relevant to your degree. It is specifically stated that it has to be technical/production work, therefore some sort of coding or consulting is not considered. If you worked abroad (as you say in USA) it is VERY positive.
If you decide to do a PhD I suggest to do it first. Although it is still possible to become first a patent attourney and then do a PhD (I know a guy who did PhD at the age of 40 after being PA) in my opinion it is way more difficult than other way around because you are older, your brain doesnt work as nicely and you will most likely have a real job/family and no time for some PhD.
What you should definitly do however is going for European PA after you finish your usual PA (if you decide to come to germany). And yes, you'll have to learn french for it to pretty much fluent level. Enjoy.

>>16862569
Law schoolwise all your lectures are online at University Hagen no matter where you decide to become PA.

>>16862345
The topic of your PhD matters way more than where you did it

>>16861408
>technologist
fancy name for technicians. sure, no good engineer will look down on them, but the work they do isn't engineering, it's technician work. think assembly, maintenance, etc
if i graduated with an actual engineering and was forced to take a technician job, i'd also be pretty pissed, since i'd be getting paid a lot less and none of my experience would count towards getting an actual engineering job

>>16862569
>>16862570
Thank you very much friend. You have been most helpful:)
>>16862584
If you call a technologist a technician by accident… hell hath no fury

>>16862577
Depends on what you end up doing. Most people outside academia eventually wind up in careers that don't really touch on their PhD research anymore. At that point nobody around you will understand or care about how hardcore your topic was or how famous your PI was. Just about the only thing that makes it through the skull of the lowest common denominator is that a PhD from MIT is impressive.

>>16862539
Some clients, especially in the field of biotech, pharmaceuticals, and genetics, prefer to have patentattorneys with a PhD in a relevant field. It is crucial that the inventor and the person drafting the patent application have really understood each other. I have seen cases where that was not the case and those patent prosecutions leave the rails on day one.
In the patent profession, a PhD is not always required but it is appreciated.

>>16862543
>If you do a PhD (not as patent attourney, PhD is in some science subject) you get like more good boy points because some large firms love having a Dr. Ing. or some shit for their patent thingy.
Germsn firms have a prefernce for PhD or dr.rer.nat in general and in the patent profession in general. Unofficial figures indicate that Examiners at the European Patent Office have a PhD.
>After successfully becoming an attourney you can pass another test to become European Patent Attourney.
You are not required to pass your national exam (if it even exists) before you start the EQE exams to become a European Patent Attorney.
>Its kinda not that obvious subject.
Not sure what you mean.

t.European patent attorney

>>16862605
>Unofficial figures indicate that Examiners at the European Patent Office have a PhD.
I meant to write that 30 percent of them have a PhD.

>>16862584
> the work they do isn't engineering, it's technician work. think assembly, maintenance, etc
Tbf engineering is just a subjective term simply backed up licensing bodies. So many subjects are getting called 'engineering' these days
>Environmental Engineer
Nigga what are you gonna engineer? The fucking environment??
>Chemical Engineer
How the fuck do you """ENGINEER""" chemicals???
>Sustainable Engineer
Even more fucking retarded than the last two.

If you work with your hands, use tools, build and design machines and structures to me they are engineering. Civil, Mech, and Elec are the only three subjects that should even be called engineering.

>>16861998
Lmao are you serious. American med schools are hard mode. Even students who seem like the perfect candidates (4.0 GPA, perfect MCAT score, hospital experience, volunteering, etc) get rejected. Unless you come from a family line of doctors or your parents know someone in the admission team then there is only a 0.01% chance of getting in. Can't you go go back to Eastern Europe and do medicine there? There might be viable immigration pathways to move to the states once you become a doctor

>>16862615
Chemical engineer is more about process design rather than designing chemicals. It's engineering degree for fucks sake. Your job is not to develop new chemicals but to figure out how to make it scalable and automated.
Haber Bosch process is the prime example of chemical engineer

>>16862605
Nobody will ever get into patent law

>>16862539
You will never get into patent law unless you're privileged and have nepotism. I have been trying for 5 years. It's not going to happen.

>>16862647
What makes you think that? EPO has a register of qualified European patent attorneys, more are added every year, and even more are needed as people retire.

>>16862648
Strange. What country?

>>16862605
Is it necessary to know the language to become an EPO? I know Germany places a great emphasis on German language skills but I’m unsure of others

>>16862665
>and even more are needed as people retire.
NOBODY IS NEEDED.

>>16862615
>work with your hands
>use tools
im a Real Engineer and i never do this

>>16862648
Add a yiddish moniker. Hyphenate your last name with some made up bullshit.

>>16862693
Why then is it so well paid?

>>16862707
Because it's gatekept and every german throws your cv in the trash when you apply.

>>16862702
So I'm jewish because I'm revealing the reality of the patent lawyer job market where every german trashes your cv. I spent all summer last year sitting inside shooting applications at every german patent law firm. If that was the case in 2024, it is 10x worse in 2025.

>>16862719
I have plenty of German colleagues and I have never heard of gatekeeping.

>>16862719
>Because it's gatekept and every german throws your cv in the trash when you apply.
Maybe it's your CV that is trash
If you passed with shit grade in some useless degree at some Baum University Bumfucken ofc they will toss it right into the trash where it belongs

>>16862734
My cv was ok I'm nordic, automatically superior to all of europe, I had a €75k job which was pretty ok. Meanwhile germans were offering like 30k or 40k for entry level patent attorney trainees or whatever and it was and I was willing to take the pay cut to get into this field or was it 50k?. Instead they toss the CV in the trash so I gave up and job hopped somewhere else and ended up with €93k per year.

>>16862741
Pretty sure it fell apart due to your language skills since you can't even communicate in english properly, not to mention german or french

>>16862745
That's funny because my TOEFL score is above average for this country and new yorkers can't tell that I'm not from there when I go.
You call my credentials into question but that's not why I get rejected, it's because they're looking for something else which most candidates cannot control. Probably how good looking you are or what your last name is.

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What does a PhD cv and cover letter supposed to look like for europe?
I've shortened and optimized my cv to one page. But I've no idea if that's a bad idea. I'm worried because I have also been to Australia some time ago and my optimized cv doesn't have that.

>>16862880
CV can be 1-2 pages, if you dont have a phd you dont have a lot of interesting things to say about yourself anyway
Cover letter gotta be pretty short, like third the page or something, nobody aint got time to read your memoires

>newly hired German teacher flirting with me in the cafeteria
>am married
should I get work-wife? anyone else done this

Should I pivot from my 3 years Bachelor's in Chemistry to a 2-year Energy Technology Master's. The Master's program is heavily centric on electrochem and materials but it will say Energy technology on the diploma. I am scare of a chem master diploma being useless.

>>16862942
I had an affair with a younger coworker.

It's probably the most stressful way to get your dick wet. At the time it was also the only way so you do what you gotta do. But overall it's up there for potential to fuck up every aspect of your life and having your mistakes staring you in the face 24/7.

>>16862942
Just don't fuck her, that goes well 0% of the times

Canadian with BSc Chemistry here. Did I screw myself by opting to go do a Masters in Canada first before doing a PhD in America because I missed the deadline for the American programs? Here it's pretty common for students to go do a Masters first before being considered for a PhD program. However my ultimate endgoal is to do a PhD in America and eventually work there. I feel like I'm gonna be wasting 2 years instead since American undergrads can directly go straight to a PhD right away after graduating.

>>16862500
>This is wrong, even painfully wrong.
did you do yours at MiT, Berkely or ETH? if so you have no idea how rapidly the difficulty scaling falls off as you go down the ranked ladder
>>16862577
not really. For each (real) field there are a couple of top, insanely competitive institutions, and then there's the rest. The only exceptions are fields that are just no serious in general and have zero top, competitive institutions.
>>16862520
Top N for your field based on the H index of the profs, more or less. It doesn't matter if you use the specific scoring method I do, the same places tend to crowd the top. The only variation is by field - a top medical institution won't necessarily be a top solid state physics one and so on

>>16862996
>At the time it was also the only way so you do what you gotta do.
I don't get the normalfag mindset. I've lived over 30 years without ever touching a foid and I'm just fine. Yet here you are, risking your career and livelihood just to get your dick wet, clearly under the impression that you can't live without it. Are you simply stupid? Literally nothing will happen if you go without sex. You don't need to have sex ever.

>>16863031
>I've lived over 30 years without ever touching a foid and I'm just fine
Nigga you post here

>>16863034
so do you. ergo sexhaving hasn't made a difference along this axis.

>>16862343
It's just a science degree, first year I get to select three subjects from which I picked applied math, comp sci and physics, then after I get to slim my options down and focus in on a subject. I know the degree won't really mean much if I wanna go abroad but it definitely means something where I live. I'm not Indian but around the area and I don't really care about getting a job abroad. I like the material and I'm doing pretty well in uni but I wanna be around the top of the class, I just don't know how.

>>16862898
I have had 3 different jobs already. Tons of certifications and lots of references.

>>16862942
You should cheat on your wife with her until your dick hurts

>>16863101
Yeah keep studying then, they'll give you the jobs because we don't get them

>>16861045
>doing 3 years of chemical will put me at nearly 30
>I am actually getting old
No, stupid nigger, you are not.

>>16863130
Thats cool, but dont be like those cringe people with 50 different certificates in microsoft excel and shit like that. Usually those certificates are worthless anyway and listing those will make you look like you're trying too hard.
Just list the few most important ones

>>16862568
Never apologise.

The hammer is coming down:
>UK universities restrict recruitment of Bangladeshi and Pakistani students
>Tougher Home Office rules prompt several higher education institutions to suspend applications
https://archive.is/L8KaL
>UK universities are shutting out applicants from Pakistan and Bangladesh because of concerns over visa abuse and tougher Home Office rules.
>At least nine higher education institutions have restricted recruitment from “high risk” countries as they face increased pressure to ensure they are enrolling genuine students.
>It follows a surge of asylum claims from international students, prompting the border security minister Dame Angela Eagle to warn that the visa system “must not be used as a backdoor” to settling in Britain.

>>16863031
It was objectively not the right thing to do but I don't regret it. I've given up a lot for my career, it never really paid off. I was about to move countries and switch careers anyway. Even then it was stressful. But overall I find it preferable to have experienced it.

>>16863415
>But overall I find it preferable to have experienced it
Pay a hooker with no strings attached?

>>16863415
did it blow up in your face? or did you get away with it?

Picture the scene. A beautiful cafe in Rio. My supervisor is sipping a coffee, maybe he's having a pastry. Waiting for a tete-a-tete drink and conversation with this worst student.

I bust in dressed like Nic Cage in Wild at Heart and high kick him 10 feet into the air.

>>16863300
But not India.
Pakistan and Bangladesh, but never India.
It's because indians are good people.

>>16863701
Shut up stinky

is the patent psychopath here? does he still think it's worth it?

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It's interesting that while my department of physics has plenty of brown people they are all Iranian and Arabic, not a single jeet.

>>16863728
India will never be shut down

>>16863134
>>16861076
>>16861992
It's 3 years if I stay at my current school which I don't want to do. Our classrooms are like windowless bunkers and in the winter you enter when it's dark and exit when it's dark. It's a depressing shithole. If I change schools it's likely to be 5 years. I just can't tell if it's worth it. If AI rapes coding won't it also rape chemical engineering within 5 years anyways.
>>16862615
a lot of chemical engineering is making sure the machines are outputting properly and eventually when you're the big engineer with the big pants you get to make upgrades to the machines to improve efficiency

>>16863578
The girl caught feelings and I'm pretty sure the admins knew something but were more interested in not rocking the boat. I moved countries and switched careers a few months after which was anyway going to happen because my boss had fucked me over. Haven't heard from her for half a year and have been ignoring emails from my old boss for a good while. Life is peaceful and nobody gives a shit about me or my actions.

>>16862942
>should I get work-wife?
That doesn't have anything to do with sex, just that you are working closely with someone during work, 8 hours every working day.

>called about a job posting if it was still available
>looks like a small company of less than 15 people
>secretary who answered me has a thick Indian accent
>the """CEO""" is Indian and also has a thick accent
>after I thanked them for their time, they just abruptly hung up
Should I even bother applying? I know they only hire their own people anyways so they can continue imposing their retarded tribal politics

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>>16864101
Don't work for poos. They'll treat you like total shit because they are still buck broken by a caste system and power may as well be heroin to their dravidian brains

>>16863843
ChemE's were already having a shit job prospect anyways even before AI. I've heard a lot of them end up working in lab monkey roles when they first start out and only getting a 'real' engineering job once they've worked a few years at the company. i would only go back to school again for engineering if it was Mech, Civil, or Elec.

>>16862880
>What does a PhD cv and cover letter supposed to look like for europe?

The most important thing is mentioning the Master's thesis you have already written in the PI's group before applying.

>>16862880
>What does a PhD cv and cover letter supposed to look like for europe?
you ask your PI what it should contain because as >>16864372 said in Europe by far the most common way people get PhD positions seems to be starting work at the research group long before that

I did my master's at my lab, and looking at the current roster every single person here started either as interns during undergrad or writing their master's thesis here. This isn't a prestigious institution, the westoids have more jeets than we do here in ex commie land, but other than the jeet/chink imports the native PhD students I've worked with seem to have started at their labs early too.

>spatial iq 138
>verbal iq 105
Chatgpt says hippocampus asymmetry, my left ribs and foot and smaller as well.
Do i go into finance?
Working memory on the low end. Are there any jobs left for white cad monkeys? Those jobs seem to have left America.

>>16864386
>chatgpt said

Kill yourself.

What can I buy to make me forget about my shit job? Onaholes?

>>16864334
Around where I live we have a lot of metal refining/petroleum refining/pharma manufacturing so I am not too worried I'll just have to move to the back country with the other whites and actually a lot of relatives in my case.

I want a second PhD. Is this how divorced normies feel?

>>16864558
Why not a 2nd Bachelors or a Postdoc? A 2nd PhD seems redundant

>>16864542
Drugs, alcohol, fat tinder sluts, guns and ammo, vacations, artwork, a language class, a gym membership, show tickets

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Interesting about technology trends and where they happen.
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/aspis-critical-technology-tracker-2025-updates-and-10-new-technologies/

>>16864600
>or a Postdoc
NTA but if you didn't do your PhD at some top lab and didn't get a bunch of top tier publications there's literally zero chance of ever landing a postdoc

I'm about to defend my thesis and there's literally no possibility of continuing a research career after I'm done, except with the no-name lab I'm currently working at. And that's pointless, because none of the shit we do here matters and nobody will ever use it (because we're no-name).

I won't be getting a second PhD but if I really wanted to be a scientist I would absolutely have to do that. For me, I'm either gonna join the army (just barely skirting under the age limit for an accelerated officer course) or try to get an electrician cert.

>>16864690
I wish you the best of luck. If you have some marketable skills, I suggest you try to get a job at a defense contractor (even if you don't have an engineering degree).

>>16864600
>>16864690
My current goal is to get a distance learning physics master in my country and then get a second PhD from the University of South Africa by distance learning.

>>16864769
>If you have some marketable skills, I suggest you try to get a job at a defense contractor (even if you don't have an engineering degree).
I've got a mechanical engineering bachelors, comp sci master's and my PhD is technically comp sci but mostly robotics-related

I am not American however, we don't have an easy out like that. Got practical electrician skills from my time doing industrial controls back in undergrad, so that's what I'm banking on. The alternative is trying to go military.

>>16864624
All those flowing into america should not be given a visa and allowed in.
If america doesn't want the talent, it should be allowed to.

>>16864769
>PhD by "distance learning"
lel

>>16864864
You can do it at Uni Hagen

>>16864777
Europe has several large defense contracts that are argressively hiring.

>>16864991
they hire people from their own countries (france, spain, italy, germany, uk, to a lesser extent sweden) or jeets, not easterners

I fucked up my life.
I will never be a high status patent lawyer like EPO anon.

>>16864769
>muh online correspondence phd
fucks sake anon

>>16865096
>>16864864
am I delusional?

>>16865047
EPO companies will never hire you. That guy got hired a long time ago. Also it's like getting into Harvard. Just because it worked for him doesn't mean it'll ever work for you.

>>16865006
Don't you need weapons to defend against Putler?

>>16865115
we do, but we don't have an MIC. the best you'll get are some drone startups scamming EU funds for gibs

>scam MIC drone startup wants to interview me
literally anyone else. please.

>>16864789
Up to recently, the US has been attractive and has run a destillation plant on the world, securing the top talent from across the entire planet. Why so much progress comes from immigrants rathger than their children is a mystery to me.
Still, the US is a sovereign nation and is free to stop this process. That would be a huge plus for EU and South Korea.

What jobs are the best if i want to specialize in bayesian markov chain monte carlo methods

>>16865228
There are literally no jobs in that lol, Bayesian mind virus=giving employers the "ick"

I've been a software engineer for almost six years and I want to make the leap to quant dev. I've been reviewing my linear algebra, analysis and probability theory books but maybe I should go back to school to get a master's of financial engineering or something

>>16865281
>quant dev
I thought you meant quantum software developer for a moment. Probably a more viable career path than finance.

>>16865219
>securing the top talent from across the entire planet
you take barely literate jeets and pay them 6 figures while for a eurofag it takes beating lottery odds to get in, stfu

I noticed that a lot of STEM graduates also come from Iran but surprisingly I don't see much seething hatred for them compared to the jeets taking our jobs. I wonder why?

>>16865502
I have literally never met anyone from Iran. You probably have a very atypical distribution.

I enrolled in software engineering with the idea that it was the best paying stem career, that was it. Now i feel like i made i mistake because i feel like software is a more creative field than other areas of engineering. Take the 4 main branches of engineering for example; in civil engineering it's clear that if you want to start a business you need to design the structure of residential or commercial buildings, if it is mechanical, electrical or chemical there are a set of products or components that society needs and you can pick one of those components and manufacture them or design them so that the national economy produces more (say chips, industrial machinery, components for airplanes and cars), but software? everything that is necessary may have already been carved out by big companies started by boomers in the 60s,70s and 80s and nowadays most software companies are bullshit, you no longer start a company in software that is essential or useful for technological or scientific progress (with some exceptions like deepmind maybe). Is there something in software where you can just start it and scale it without being a creative person?.

I want to start a business in software but im not creative

>>16865725
and you have to come up with some bullshit of your own ideation, because working for someone else's startup may not be worth it if its a saas company that doesnt have the scale up potential of google or amazon, because the compensation in stock you will receive will be minuscule compared to what the founders receive, and it would only be marginally better or worse than working at a major corporation.

>>16865730
i shouldnt have picked something based on employability or compensation. Imc every branch of engineering is undercompensated and a smart person would be better off delusion maxxing and thinking they will start their own business because also someone needs to expand the tech sector in this country and you cant just expect other people to create a job for you and compensate you fairly if you are not a firstie.

>>16865725
>I Enrolled in X Field But Then I Discovered That I Fucking Hate Studying And Human Beings So Now Please Read My Essay On Why Dropping Out and Spending The Rest Of My Life Watching Spongebob is a Great Idea For Me Because This Field Is Actually Bullshit and Also The Job Market Please I Require Validation: The General Thread: The Motion Picture: Part 3: The Infinity Endgame: Electric Boogaloo: Now Also a Major Series on Netflix

>>16865736
>Imc every branch of engineering is undercompensated
How so? They tend to be the better paid out of all the STEM fields

>>16865743
>They tend
It's case by case in most cases.

>>16865738
its true, millennials and older generations had it much easier, the degree of saturation nowadays...

i was deluding myself by thinking that i could have gotten a job after graduating, every job posting has probably a 100 applicants minimum, with AI and everything there are less job postings too.

>>16865747
>>16865748
Nothing in life is ever guaranteed anymore.

>>16865748
>its true
The greentext meme making fun of you? Yes, it is.

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>>16865750
Nothing in life was ever guaranteed

>>16865725
Become a construction worker then, you fucking pleb

>>16865748
The

>>16865748
The older generations could get jobs easier, but the jobs they got were also more manual and backbreaking. White collarish comfy jobs where you can sit in an air conditioned room and sip lattes have always been hard to get

>>16865834
>White collarish comfy jobs where you can sit in an air conditioned room and sip lattes have always been hard to get
they weren't hard to get for 30 years, now they're hard to get again. most of the boomers on this website got programming jobs with zero effort.

>>16862719
>Because it's gatekept and every german throws your cv in the trash when you apply.
No. Also there are more EPO member states than EPO alone.
>>16862677
>Is it necessary to know the language to become an EPO?
Officially you need to know English, German, and French to becomne an Examiner at the EPO. In reality you need to speak one well, be able to understand a second one and be willing to learn the third and also pass a language proficiency test.
You do not need to know all those languages to become a European patent attorney but you need to know one of them well enough for professional use.
>I know Germany places a great emphasis on German language skills but I’m unsure of others
That is to be expected. In this line of work it is important to have good language skills.

>>16862707
>well paid
Some statistics:
https://fellowsandassociates.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/FellowsSalarySurvey2025.pdf

>>16865047
>I fucked up my life.
How? It would take a lot to kill your career prospects.
>I will never be a high status patent lawyer like EPO anon.
I think there are two European patent attorneys here and one EPO Examiner. I never really thought much about status but I am grateful that I have disposable income and got rid of my student debts after years of being a postdoc.

>>16865111
>EPO companies will never hire you.
Just why? And why so negative?
>That guy got hired a long time ago.
Less than 20 years ago.
>Also it's like getting into Harvard.
I never attended a tier one university but still got in.

>>16865502
Because those don't even see themselves as Irani, they say they are Persian and actually dont want anything to do with this religious iran.
Iran is a country with great history and great minds that got taken over by islamist cucks.
Some of their elite managed to get out and are now basically in excile. Those guys are the opposiste of muslim cucks and are quite smart and chill. I wouldn't put them on the level of turdwordlers and jeets

>>16865738
This sounds like an isekai anime name

>>16866186
They are some of the most tasteless car salesmen of all time

>>16866071
No... It's over... I can't become a EUROPEAN PATENT ATTORNEY

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was focusing on c++ development a mistake

>>16863011
having lab experience, non-course work experience under a professor, or published papers looks really good on your application if you spend your master's time wisely. usually you'll have to do a faculty seminar where you get to meet your professors and the research they need students to help with

Why does male shyness and the advocation on behalf of men with such lead some people to absolute conniptions or rage?

>>16866204
During undergrad I did two semesters of research under two different professors, one of which was full-time work but didn't result in a publication but the other did where I was listed as 2nd author. I also have have three years of work experience in industry RnD labs now. I actually thought my application was strong for American PhD programs and I could have gone straight to the PhD right away without a Masters but I took a look at some grad school subreddits and I realize some people's profiles absolutely btfo mine in comparison. 4.0 GPA, several first authorships, research experience since they were a sophomore, etc. the perfect profile.

>>16866202
For me it was. I spent a lot of time studying and getting better at C++ as I worked with close to bare metal hardware only to "graduate" to a better paying job vibe coding python scriptslop.

>>16866071
People like you got me to waste years of my life trying to get in when I couldn't.

My advice is don't believe this guy's lies. You ain't never gonna be a European Patent Attorney.

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I'm interested in Aerospace Engineering but due to familial obligations I can't move. Are there truly no remote/hybrid junior positions (or even just internships) for someone anchored down two hours away from a major city with an aerospace industry? Should I just cut my losses and study something else?

>>16865690
they're much more common than you'd expect, mostly in EE and adjacent fields. not sure why
>>16865502
there's nowhere near as many of them as jeets and they're generally cool as people. you will have a persian guy or two in your department but you won't have your department be taken over by a gang of persians who only hire other persians. I'm sure people would hate them if there were more of them and if their culture was as disgusting as the jeets'

>>16866426
>due to familial obligations I can't move.
stop being brown

>>16866443
My A30s beg to differ.

>>16859776
>just got headhunted by Booz Allen Hamilton
THE ONE PIECE! THE ONE PIECE IS REAL! (my resume was the issue)

Just did my viva, passed but with some hefty corrections I need to make. Good enough for me, and I don't have to do another viva after I resubmit.

>>16866539
I don't get this viva shit, why not just do a defense like normal people?

>>16866564
They're regional variants of the same thing.

>>16866564
In the UK it's just called a viva. There's an internal and external examiner. It isn't public, I think some countries do public defences where anyone can come in and ask stupid questions.

>>16866539
Just a heads-up. Even if you're given what might seem like a lot of time to make corrections, get them done ASAP. It will suck incredibly much when you have another job that takes up all your time, no longer have access to uni resources, can't remember half of what went to your thesis and have to dig through some backup hard drive where nothing is properly organized.

>>16859776
Did you get a PhD?

>>16866592
Yeah I plan on getting them done quickly (but thoroughly), I don't want this hanging over my head at all.

>>16866591
>In the UK it's just called a viva.
True. Also called "orals" where the slogan is that it is better than the opposite...
>I think some countries do public defences where anyone can come in and ask stupid questions.
Also true, and people are supposed to ask good questions without tanking the candidate, though that has happened too. I once attended a public defence which was only missing drummers and horses from being like an imperial triumpal procession. It was a huge contrast to my own viva which was a brutal attempt of slaughter by a vicious external examiner. When the brutality and my defence came to an end, I was asked to leave the room and I really didn't know if I had passed or not. I felt completely chewed out. I passed.

I did my masters from a top 100 university and now PhDs are so scarce that I have to do my PhD at a top 300 university after 100 rejections from the same university that I did my masters in.

>>16866200
>No... It's over... I can't become a EUROPEAN PATENT ATTORNEY
Why not? And how and where did you try?

>>16866390
>My advice is don't believe this guy's lies. You ain't never gonna be a European Patent Attorney.
Are you the same as >>16866200?
If you had read the survey linked to above, you would have seen that patent attorneys come from all kinds of backgrounds and all kinds of universities. About half have been Examiners at the national patent office, the other half just stumble in as the previous job in industry tanked.

>>16866612
How heavy were your corrections? Did you have to do more lab work? More analysis? Or just more writing? I also felt my external examiner just beheaded me.

>>16866617
People stumble into Deloitte as well but they'll never ever hire you.

>Aerospace engineering bachelor
>quit my shitty job to earn money with circus stuff
When did it go wrong?

>>16866263
A few are like this but it doesn't matter. What matters way more is the specific things you have worked on. As long as you have one paper with your name on it and you can present about it, it already fullfils that checkmark.
Therefore research experience in lab plays way higher role, and you can also toss all those jeets with their gorillion papers in the trash can because just as you, they also care about it

>>16866591
In germany you have usually a choice between Rigorosum and Disputation.
Disputation one is the easy one where you present your work and get questions about your work.
The other one is like an oral exam where everyone will keep asking you stupid questions about pretty much everything and you have to answer them. I guess thats more like viva?

>>16866618
Mostly writing, just some minor lab work, thankfully. My funding had run out and I was just running on vapours. When I left, I had all mu posessions in two bags, and one of the bags were my text books.

>>16866625
>People stumble into Deloitte
Doubt.
People do a degree in accounting/auditing and many prefer to get a job at one of the Big 4, hoping to become a partner. Of course, these days they cannot get a junior job since AI killed the junior intake, and repeated shoddy auditing means that one of these companies will probably be nailed to the wall as an example for the rest. Enron saw a few corporate fatalities, more are way overdue.

Anyone working at CERN or nuclear? seems like my ideal as europoor

>>16864886
>>16865109
you can do it, but why would you? especially unfunded. it's effectively worthless. the actual research you do is probably going to be worthless regardless, i don't mean this as an insult, but most PhD research is. the whole point of it is to develop you into a researcher. this is small part technical knowledge, large part driving forward a long independent research project in a team, understanding the culture, understanding how to work with others, how to network, how to handle yourself at a conference, how to talk to other faculty, etc, all of which you miss out on if you're by distance. you're not necessarily learning your content matter, you're learning how to become a researcher and how to communicate ideas.

>>16859817
>thinks the army is protecting civilians

If you are from the US, you are too stupid to be posting on this board

>>16866591
>I think some countries do public defences where anyone can come in and ask stupid questions.
pretty sure that's most countries, but randos don't typically go camp out people's thesis defenses

>>16866186
Indians aren't Islamic either so what was your point you fucking moron?

>>16865861
Zoomers want to get paid six figures to fuck around on their phone all day. You grew up in a delusional bubble where retarded liberal idiots promised you a world that they couldn't deliver. My grandfather was a pleb who got drafted into one of the empire's forever wars and was fucked up after that. My father installed HVAC in 130 degree spider-infested attics for a living. I literally dug ditches with a shovel for the city drainage department until I got my shit together and scraped and clawed my way out of the pleb cycle. Get fucked, no one owes you anything, especially not a highly paid office job.

>>16867202
Indians are dirty smelling scamming cheaters using chatGPT to generate their profiles
Irani (in STEM) are actually civilized and legit.

>>16866426
If you aren't willing to move then don't even bother trying to be white collar or working in STEM. I am sorry but that's how it is. You will almost certainly have to move to a major city, and probably several different ones over the course of your career. Especially when you are on the junior level of experience.

>>16867215
>and scraped and clawed my way out of the pleb cycle
by getting a codemonkey job you were never really qualified for, simply because there was a once-in-history boom in demand for anyone and anything that could at least approximate a programmer? lmao

>>16867215
I raped you in a dream last night

>>16866752
Yeah worked in cern, now at a different accelerator. Pretty nice, lived in France but paid in Swiss which is an ideal life. Difficult to stay at for long as a researcher but really nice as an engineer. Main difficulty is the obscene competition for jobs. It's cern, every job gets 200 well-suited and qualified applicants and 800 other desperate idiots.

>>16867466
Apologise for having a better career and life than me.

>>16867466
is the competition for scientists or engineers mostly? I am grinding to become a particle physicist. My university has some ties with CERN hence I am asking

I've been vibe coding python garbage because there are no software engineers at my godforsaken early stage shithow and I'm about to enter AI psychosis because I'm a loner lunatic.

How do I profit from this

>>16859299
It takes upwards of 2 years for your background check to wrap and your clearance to be granted.

>>16867527
Does it have to be CERN? Try DESY too

>>16862629
I'm a Chemist but Chemical Engineer sounds like the most boring engineering specialty. At least EEs, MEs, and CEs get to build cool shit but ChemEs just sound like glorified plumbers.

>>16867571
>vibe coding python garbage
for what purpose? unless you're making frontend or cookie cutter website plumbing from scratch it's still faster to write code yourself. not the actual code generation, but the debugging and getting the last 5% correct

agents also all tend to be atrocious about bloating codebases. they prefer to add special cases rather than refactor. sure Claude can generate 50kloc in a couple of days but if your program only needs 500 lines to do its job then that's a problem

Why me? Why waste years of my life? Of all people why do that to someone who's already had enough of his life wasted?

My supervisor thinks he got away with it. He doesn't understand what a man who isnt afraid of prison is capable of.

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>>16867928
because the research problem you'd work on is genuinely fun and interesting, plus you get a cute paper at the end of it

but if you don't wanna do a PhD, don't

That's literally it. Don't take the short-term contract job if you think it will suck or that you'd be unhappy while doing it

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>>16867929
you won't do shit

>>16867987
>the research problem you'd work on is genuinely fun and interesting
NTA but I only started my PhD because I had a job at a lab and couldn't find anything better for the time being. The administration pressure all junior research staff to do PhDs because it looks good in whatever KPIs they use to justify their own continued existence.

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>>16867992
You sound American. If the pay is the same, and the workload is still reasonable (~40 hours/week), and having a PhD opens promotion opportunities and salary gain, I don't see why not desu. If you get a salary slash or many more hours of workload then don't do it.

>>16867746
>DESY
all (most?) Dutch universities have links to CERN and not Germany so naturally I'd favour CERN or a Dutch research institute.

>>16867990
I'm going to perform unlicensed chiropractic adjustments on him.

>>16867987
>>16867987
The research problems I worked on were neither fun nor interesting you malevolent freak

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>>16868047
Then quit? you don't need to finish a PhD just because you started it

Plus, you can sometimes get a Master's degree if you're in the US

Do try to get a job offer elsewhere before quitting though

>>16868001
>American
EU Horizon monkey
>If the pay is the same
It isn't. It's literally mandated that we get 67% of the market rate for our work if we're doing research because if we get any corporate contract jobs the pay is automatically 150% the normal rate (which is on the low end for a corpo with similar YoE in the field)
>and the workload is still reasonable (~40 hours/week)
40 hours is downtime. I had to pull about 70-80 on average this spring for 5 months straight.
>and having a PhD opens promotion opportunities and salary gain
It doesn't. It disqualifies you from a lot of jobs and the ones that do require a PhD are massively oversaturated. If you didn't get your PhD from a top 50 institution in your field (globally), you are never ever getting a job in the field. Which is basically birthplace lottery because the probability of getting into a top uni from some eastern euro shithole is tiny and mostly RNG. Richfags know the tips, tricks and pay2win certs your kids have to get to stand a chance and they jealously guard the secrets.

>>16868056
Listen you pig fuck, I got the job and it's even greater psycho-spiritual torment than the PhD. I'm a month away from my defense after which I'm going to flying triangle my supervisor to death and then I'm coming after you. And I'm going to be ready to eat. And fuck.

>>16868096
>I'm a month away from my defense after which
don't you have a moratorium period after the thesis defense when anybody can technically dispute it? your slavery doesn't end with the defense

>>16868100
I'm going to make it very clear with my raw beast like prison yard sickening physicality that doing so is not in their best interests if they want to remain unsexually molested in a bad way

Why is everybody so mentally ill in these threads?

>>16868133
Pursuing a career in science is something only a wretched freak would try to do.

Also I'm responsible for more than 90% of the posts in this thread. That EPO guy? My finest work... Everyone knows that's it's impossible to get that job.

>>16868133
spend 8+ months of your life unemployed and the voices will eventually get to you too

>>16867527
The biggest competition is for researchers mainly because it's much easier to find masters or PhD which will train you in particle physics than it is to find an engineering post that will train you to work with accelerators or cryogenics or whatever.

>>16863027
>did you do yours at MiT, Berkely or ETH?
None of the above, instead a small British university that is not even in the Russels group.

>>16868277
I'm so sorry. Being British is the worst thing my parents ever inflicted upon me. Thank god I have escaped paedo island for now.

>>16868064
Sounds like you're getting exploited. Contact your union

I wish I could have been a protege.

>>16868294
>your union
the what?

>>16868277
maybe you ran into a hardass PI or something. or you're a self-obsessed retard who thinks showing up and participating is an achievement

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>be me
>wasted a couple of years being a NEET after HS, only got a BS in my late 20s when I started getting more serious about life
>cold emailing profs as potential supervisors for grad school
>almost sent an email to an assistant professor until I looked at his Linkedin and realized he was my age
I didn't need sui fuel today.

Should I move 309 miles to a small city for a relevant topic PhD with multiple stays in china later?
The professor seemed to like me a lot, treated me like talent.
But it's a bad university with a lower rank than my bachelor's.

>>16868412
>>almost sent an email to an assistant professor until I looked at his Linkedin and realized he was my age
Doesn't matter, you don't have to mention it and you can hide it

>>16868280
All hope is not lost: British universities are generally good, it is just the job market that is bad and if you get a job, it is underappreciating STEM graduates. The solution is simple: leave the country.

>>16868403
>maybe you ran into a hardass PI
No. My external examiner was gruesome, if that counts.
>or something.
I guess it would have to be that "something" option then.
>or you're a self-obsessed retard who thinks showing up and participating is an achievement
I have no idea where this came from. I just slogged through my batchelor's degree and then slogged through a PhD. Along the way, I met some brilliant people, some even mindblowingly brilliant people. I am not one of those. I never expected to become a Nobel Prize laureate. The good thing about STEM is that if you put one foot in front of the other, again and again, you will reach the goal, and that is what I did.

>>16867853
For reasons I have to make a data processing thing with a GUI. It does not need to be fully professional but needs to kind of work. It involves some relatively heavy lifting on relatively big datasets. I have zero experience doing GUIs or anything remotely optimized. But I have plenty of experience wrangling experimental data and a general understanding of what kind of processing makes sense.

If I had two months I would learn and do it myself. But I have two weeks. So it's basically iteratively prodding the AI along until something acceptable is reached.

For what it's worth, Claude has been doing a much better job than I expected. For the 8 seconds per day I get to use it even after paying Anthropic. But yeah the code is getting a bit bloated and is getting close to a breaking point.

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Going to be working in a nuclear power plant as an electrical engineer. What am in for? I know it's going to be a shit ton of paperwork and learning regulation and code but what's the day to day like?

>>16860642
>What are options for new/soon to be grad?
Defense. Anything defense related, they can't hired jeets other foreigners, not easily that is. Working for defense contractors sucks ass though, it'd be just a stepping stone to build some experience, maybe get a clearance, and then jump another company after you're vested in the 401k.

>>16868468
>have no idea where this came from
I said that any retard can get a PhD from a non-top institution because it's just a participation trophy. This post of yours confirms it. Yet you originally disagreed.

>>16868479
>two weeks.
more than enough time to learn how to do this yourself.

without aggressively tard wrangling claude it will start to shit itself around 3-5kloc. you might still get working results but it will make extremely myopic ad hoc edits if you don't explicitly force it to summarize the codebase and refactor on every change.

>>16859527
I earned 80k in my first job as an analytical chemist lol.

>>16859893
what the fuck

>>16860135
You're too mentally ill to get a proper PhD.
Do something else.

>>16861864
X ray diffraction crystallography is basic undergrad chemistry knowledge, what's wrong with you?

>>16862002
You can literally buy medical degrees in places like southern italy or romania.

>>16864334
>I've heard a lot of them end up working in lab monkey roles when they first start out and only getting a 'real' engineering job once they've worked a few years at the company.
I can confirm this for switzerland.

>>16865006
Italy is hiring tons of disgusting muslims from bangladesh to build ships

>>16868720
bangladesh is jeets. they don't hire eastern euros for engineering or research roles.

Woke up fists clenched. Imagining taking my supervisor to task for the way he's treated me. I will smack the soul out of this man in Brasil.

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>>16868401
your union, you're from an EU country, right? You might have an union and worker rights

Definitely the case in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Germany

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>>16868468
The British education system is a nightmare, we specialise too early and lack a humanistic approach to education. It's entire purpose is to preserve the class system.

>>16868750
>you're from an EU country, right?
there are 27 independent countries in the EU, anon. each has its own government, law code, most have unique languages and cultures.

just because Denmark does something doesn't mean Greece, Romania or Lithuania does.

I don't have a union. Unions are uncommon in my country, limited to a few select professions with historically strong lobbying power. The idea of a union for researchers employed by EU project grants is hilarious, at least here.

>>16868750
Diamonds arent metallic

>>16868133
I think /scg/ is overwhelmingly asian

>>16868921
1. jeets aren't asian
2. i'm a slavx, also not asian and way more intrinsically mentally ill

It's all one big club and I'm not fucking in it.

What's the smallest p-value you've seen? for me it was 4.3e-55

>>16868587
How'd you get that job and what are they having you do?

>>16859199
>I don't know if it's a bad job market or if I'm the one doing something wrong.
It is bad in general and for juniors in particular.

>>16859248
>Are software and data "science" jobs soul sucking? If so, why?
Terms such as "big data" was super hot a few years ago, reaching a peak in 2017 accortding to Google Trends and 2020 according to Ngram and is in free fall now. In reality the hype outlasted reality so sprinkling "big data" on your CV will not help much.

>>16869062
I got the job just applying for it on a whim and I'm going to be designing power systems within the plant among other things power related I imagine.

>>16859893
>kind of want to get a tattoo
That will be a huge red flag in parts of Asia. Avoid.

My hands have started shaking and they won't stop. All day long no one speaks to me. I'm barely human.

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>>16868921
Unlikely. Most seem to be in the US or Europe, not looking to get into US or Europe.

>>16869045>>16869252
We are all going to make it.

>>16868724
The ones that are coming to Italy now are genetically jeets, but muslims.

>>16869045
Quoting Carlin is a telltale sign you are ngmi.

>>16869645
Who the fuck is that?

I have never used anything I learned in my undergraduate education in mathematics even once to solve a non-confected problem. What a waste of fucking time.

>>16869637
a jeet is a jeet

>>16869252
Sounds like it's the beginning of the end for you. This is it. It's all come down to this.

>>16869846
I will take as many as I can with me.

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>>16868921
>I think /scg/ is overwhelmingly asian
We are on page 9, so we could do a poll in the next thread.

>>16865690
>I have literally never met anyone from Iran. You probably have a very atypical distribution.
There are tons of them in Norway, and the security police is warning against admitting more from Iran.

which masters degree should I get if I want to get rich? I am leaning towards theoretical physics, nuclear or particle, though this will make me a postdoc monkey in the longrun thoughbeitnot?

>>16868412
I'm 28 and just now a junior for bs. I have tons of lab experience (chemistry major) and got into research at a top academic lab now. Stop being a pussy, plenty of other students our age. I hope you have experience at least, if not then just volunteer

>>16870940
>chemistry major
Please change your major. The job prospect here is shit. Wish I was told that when i was younger.
t. Chem BS who's decided grad school isnt worth it

>>16870896
>if I want to get rich?
reroll for a better spawn. the era of social mobility is over.

>>16871030
>rich
I mean having a house. I live in a top 5 real country (excl. The USA) Surely a physics phd goy can still own a house

>>16870896
>which masters degree should I get if I want to get rich?
MBA
>I am leaning towards theoretical physics, nuclear or particle, though this will make me a postdoc monkey in the longrun thoughbeitnot?
A postdoc salary is comparable to that of a burger flipper.

>>16871049
postdoc pays 5keur which is enough for me ig
at least tell me what field to get into? I do not want to do 'condensed matter' like the bugman physicists

>>16859894
>two oceans and more nukes than anyone else makes infantry redundant beyond belief.
So when will Afghanistan be carpet bombed with nukes?

>>16868040
CERN is an international organization and for that reason you do not pay national taxes while employed there.

>>16868064
>Richfags know the tips, tricks and pay2win certs your kids have to get to stand a chance and they jealously guard the secrets.
We can also add them to the FAQ. List tem up and it will be added.