Why can't we fucking think of anything better?
There is nothing better.
name a better way of turning heat into electricity.
>>16859431Photoelectron effect.
>>16859453>Photoelectron
>>16859425love me steam engines, simple as
>>16859425https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_energy_conversion
>>16859425harnessing vacuum energy from zero point, requires a fundamental rethinking of the Standard Model of physics
>>16859425Why don't (you) come up with something better?
>>16859431Thermo electric
This guys promise to extract energy right out of magnetic flux in plasma.
steam turns heat into motion, MOTION is what creates the electricity. Why do STEMcels have such a hard time understanding and accepting this?
>>16859425The stuff covers 75% of the Earth's surface, if you can find another substance that can be used to convert heat into motion and turn a turbine that's that plentiful, go right ahead.
>>16859512STEMchads dunk on STEAMcels all of the day bro
>>16859425making the fusions give up their energy to the power lines directly
>>16859461>rethinking of the Standard Model of physics^^^or, modern physics is a fairy tale?
>>16859425imagine some ayy lmaos watching us and seeing how monkeys achived nuclear fusion just to boil water
>>16859426fpbp. Water is a very special molecule.
>>16859425What if we make a really large container made of noble elements and fill it with was many electrons as we can as a source of power?
>>16859425Here's an idea:We use the radiation to kill humans, then burn their corpses for energy by boi...ah.
>>16859431Skip the wasteful "heat" step.
Why don't we make pipelines made out of the same reactor material, and then transport the super hot fusion plasma around to peoples homes so that they can release some of it through the vents to use for heat?
>>16859425Oil exhaust gases are too spicy
>>16859425We already have nuclear fusion.But the downside is that we only know how to do it when the components are extremely hot. Unfortunately to make Fusion happen we need the components to be so hot that we cannot control it. And so fusion is only really used in Nukes right now.What we are still trying to figure out is called "Cold Fusion" so that we can control it and use it for energy too. And obviously, cold fusion is just nuclear fusion that allegedly happens without the need to excessively heat up the fuel to a temperature extremely hot, and that way we can control it.Lol.
>>16859425Just to clarify again.Nuclear Fission is when you split an atom and this reaction has a great power-to-size ratio.Nuclear Fusion is when you combine two atoms and this reaction also has a great power-to-size-ratio. But according to Wikipedia, it only happens at "millions of degrees of heat."So Fusion is not really useful for energy, because you would need your Fusion powerplant to be millions of degrees hot for it to function. Fission does not have this requirement so nuclear energy plants use fission right now.Cold fusion is just hypothetical and alleged and not confirmed to be a real thing, but it's the concept that you could maybe make fusion happen without your facility needing to operate at millions of degrees.And I think it would be better than fission apparently if you could do that theoretically but nobody can yet.Lol.
>>16859431Boil salt
It just werks
>>16859461If people start fucking with the vacuum and zero point energy I'm afraid we'll fuck something up really really bad. Like, couldn't we accidently create false vacuum decay and wipe out the entire universe if we start fiddling with that shit?
>>16859821Yes anon le entire universe is going to end, just like le entire atmosphere is going to ignite when le nukes explode, definitely don't research cheaper ways to produce energy
>>16859821They thought there was a remote chance that detonating the first nuke would cause a chain reaction across the entire atmosphere and incinerate the entire Earth planet but it didn’t stop them. Yolo
>>16859826>>16859827>one time they thought something bad would happen and then it didn't, so that means nothing bad will ever happenI don't agree with this logic
>>16859832If the universe was so fragile a slightly intelligent monkey is able to end it with a bit of made up numbers then it wouldn't have ever existed in the first place. You're not questioning if people are able to contaminate the atmosphere a little bit for a brief moment, you're asking if using geothermal energy is going to split the world in half, utter nonsense
>>16859832>I don’t agree with this logicThat’s fine but the monkeys will continue to delve into and fiddle with the fabric of the universe, results be damned.
>>16859425water stores kinetic energy
>>16859425What's bad about it? Without sounding like a retard, if you can manage it.
Wow, over 30 posts and nobody knows that supercritical CO2 is already being used as a more efficient working fluid than water.
>>16859821The conditions for vacuum decay occur regularly happen in super/hyper nova and neutron star mergers yet the universe wasn't destroyed.
>>16859990I think it's difficult to destroy the universe.If it wasn't we wouldn't be here.
>>16859979Bitch that's still steam with "efficient fluid"™
So magnets then?
>>16860106
We are spinning....magnets...with excited gas....magnet brapp spin 2 win
>>16859425Being mad at boiling water is supreme midwit territory. Once you've seen how shit other forms of energy generation works you'll keep coming back to water.Only sois from r/heckinlovescience are disappointed by water rather than marvel at how well it works for everything.
>>16859425>NOOOO STOP USING THE MOST VERSATILE, ABUNDANT, USEFUL, SAFE, STABLE AND WELL-UNDERSTOOD SUBSTANCE ON THE PLANET!!!Where did all this elitism for water come from? What makes you think you're too good for water?
>>16860113this sounds good, like magnets, electric currents and spinning, guess gravity in the mix, maybe there's something in there to explore
Gas turbines dont boil water
>>16859425because we're born on a planet with a lot of FUCKING water. Pretty sure in Arrakis they'd use heat convection from sand instead
>>16859425Perhaps because, unlike me, you only know one language.I can think of something just as good. I'm not promising you free endless energy, it would be a trap like a perpetual motion machine, but humanity can build and use thorium nuclear reactors. As far as I know, they are safer than uranium and plutonium ones. The explored and estimated resources of thorium in the world of the planet Earth are estimated at about 6-6.5 million tons. This should be enough for humanity until the year 40,000, and maybe even more.
>>16860296>because we're born on a planet with a lot of FUCKING water.Each human person consists of 80-50% water. Humanity's very life is connected with water, without water, humanity would have gone to goddess Hel quickly and in full membership.
>>16859425what if we replaced it with another liquid with a lower boiling point like diethyl ether?
>>16860326Reduced pressure than water.
>>16860333what if you ignite it too?
Check out Helion. Capturing energy directly from fusion reactions with massive banks of electromagnets and capacitors.Small detail: it’s not working, yet. But cool idea.
>>16860102>CO2 is H20Tip top geniuses on this board.
>>16859826Just like le oceans are going to rise due to magic woo woo gas
>>16860102>NOOO STOP USING ATOMS IN YOUR ENEGY DEVICE
>>16859426Yet
>>16859606imagine some ayy lmaos watching us and seeing how monkeys are stuck with fermions and bosons>>16856614
They will likely eventually figure out a better way but as for now we've already made energy more important than food, shelter, and practically everything else because everything else is now harder to make than energy, but only because we've gotten so good at making energy and once you have energy then making everything else gets easier. Water is kind of the one exception still, as long as we're only talking about things humans need. But eventually we very well might get so efficient at making energy that the means to do so become even more foundational than having access to water.
>>16859425Humanity's greatest achievement.Learning how to boil water to turn a wheel.
>>16859425Humans are brainletd
>>16859778The plasma needs to be guided by fuck huge magnets. If it touches the walls it instantly loses all energy. Not only because the plasma is super thin because those fusion reactors operate at high vacuum. You also need to constantly feed it fuel.It's not something you just heat up and take away some excess energy.
Like 90% of the heat of the earth comes from nuclear fission in its core.I don't feel like finding the pepe with the eyes spread far apart so just imagine it in your head.
>>16862919>I don't feel like finding the pepe with the eyes spread far apart so just imagine it in your head.I have pepe with many eyes
>>16859606literally thinking the same exact thing
>>16859425obligatory
Science is a joke, simple as.
Genuine question:What if instead of boiling water, we used boiling refrigerant to spin our turbines?Like isn't the whole point of those that they evaporate and condense very clise to room temperature? So why not spin our turbines that way?Is it a thermal expansion thing?
>>16863426Water is cheap, easy to find, and basically harmless.
>>16863426>boiling refrigerantwhats the fucking point when water literally falls out of the sky
>>16863426Water has, by far, the greatest volumetric heat capacity which is really the main thing you care about for this kind of application>>16863492>>16863498These as well.
>>16859431you heat up my ass, and so I jerk off at 9000GHz, with my hand pressing on a piezoelectric piece
>>16863426price, I want to write my thesis on this
helion wants to turn the electric field of fusion directly into powerthat and dyson harrop satellites are the most interesting power sources without boiling water i know of
We can, and already are look into supercritical CO2 Brayton cycles, which use an alternative working fluid for significantly higher efficiency than the traditional steam cycle.>https://thephillypi.com/exclusive-humanitys-greatest-achievement-is-boiling-water-scientists-debate-if-civilization-is-a-joke/
>>16859514Superheated steam also has very useful properties.
>>16859425Why do we need anything better?
>>16859512Why does it have to be steam?
>>16860312How is the energy turned into electricity?
>>16859431Heating metal so it extends singing a copper wrapped monkeys balls who then spasses out in an iron cage.
>>16859461stargate atlantis is underrated as fuck (and far better than sgu)
>>16866307Its lame
>>16859426You lack critical information
>>16859425Well if nuclear fusion is like the sun, and the sun creates solar wind, why not have a bunch of spiny things capture the energy like windmills or something.
>>16859425I can
>>16859425Antennas turn photons into an AC voltage. Anyone remember the national lab in like 2010 that printed microscopic antennas onto some Mylar with a layer of gold? They had like 98% conversion efficiency with infrared light. Problem was the frequency of the AC output voltage was too high to convert into usable DC voltage.
>>16859778>Why don't we make pipelines made out of the same reactor material, and then transport the super hot fusion plasma around to peoples homes so that they can release some of it through the vents to use for heat?You just described municipal steam heating systems. Some of which are fed by steam from power plants.
>>16859431The voice in my head says he can do it if he just separates the hot and cold particles
>>16859425Because you can have desalinated seawater as a byproduct that helps with water shortages retard.There is no better way. This is the best and most useful. We don't need another way.
With DT fusion over 80% of the energy is carried by uncharged neutrons which need to be stopped by radiation shielding... so all that energy pretty much has to end up as heat.If water feels too low-tek you could use helium or CO2 as a working fluid but power companies don't care how cool the working fluid is.
>>16870476It's the same problem with fuel cells, they have fuel cells that can run off of various fossil fuel gasses but boilers and gas turbines are almost as efficient and much cheaper
>>16866700because it creates pressure that can be directed to create motion
