and?
>>16860781Not if we time travel to the past and then bring the past into the future so the future becomes the past
good.
>>16860785We only have billions of years to deal with this so unless we start now, humanity won't survive.
There's certain type of people who attach their life to infinitely distant events. For them somehow is very important, will the Universe die through thermal death, will the Milky Way collapse into one big black hole, when will the Sun consume Earth etc. Like if the Universe dies, then everything they did in their life has no meaning.>NOOO I WANT MY TRACES TO REMAIN PLEASE NOOOO
>>16860993It’s truly the highest honor, isn’t it? To be remembered? Pity for you.
All your fault. You asked for it.
>>16861034I'd much rather retain my right to be forgotten
Naah we live in a black hole.
>>16860781>the universe will end in iceYeah we knew this already
>>16860890The solution is obviously mass immigration of indians.
>>16861034The highest honor in life is having children and raising them to have children of their own. It doesn't matter if retarded normies remember you. Your genes remember you forever.
>>16860781and we are only on the 3rd generation of stars. this is why extraterrestrial life is so scarce, the universe just doesn't last long enough to have a good chance at creating life
The value of our existence is directly proportional to the number and intenstity of the orgasms achieved in our lifetime.Anything else is irrelevant.
>>16861073>Your genesAfter 8 or so generations your descendents are indistinguishable from the descendents of anyone else.
>>16860781Peak Star, and so soon.How long has Big Solar known?I'm glad we kept some coal and a few whales around for when it gets dark.
>>16860823This. If we go back far enough we could get a mating pair of massive young Gen 1 stars. Repeat ad infinitum.
>from now onHow does it work when observing something billions light years away means it happened billions years ago?
>>16860781>>16861056Came here to post this.Clearly this means we have no choice but to establish a global authoritarian technocracy. This catastrophic news PROVES the importance of dismantling agriculture and energy while smearing the degenerate hordes across america and europe.The only hope for humanity is to lie flat forever! (Except for my family of course, we will dance in the palaces and eat steak)
>>16860890Is that you e man ... rocket man!!!
>>16861073>The highest honorMaybe if you're a massive narcissist
>>16860781>guys trust us, this one single observation proves us right!>oh also you should stop believing in god too!
>>16861115According to this table we have about 22 billion years until the big rip.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future#Earth,_the_Solar_System,_and_the_universeIf that doesn't happen though then we might exist quite a while longer but would likely have to move around to different planets. After 100 billion years all the galaxies around us will have floated away beyond where we can see. Then after 100 trillion years stars will stop forming. Then at 1 quadrillion years stars won't have planets any more because they'll all be flung off into space. Maybe we could survive past that if we start living in spaceships or something
Heat death confirmation
>>16860890We are already here. You only need to worry about surviving if you still haven't figured it out yet. You will though, no matter how much you might be fighting it now. Confusion always gets tiring eventually no matter how much fun it might be. But knowing is effortless.
>>16861053You've got it.
>>16861034Why would you be worried about people remembering a you that can't remember itself? Are you afraid they will not be able to be good or happy themselves without the memory of you? Or does the memory of you matter more to you than their happiness and freedom to remember themselves?
>>16861073people who think like this are pretty awful I mean I'm awesome but most people having kids are fat cunts
>>16861120well i guess i've done alright for myself kek
>>16861313Yeah. People who think more highly of others than themselves are just the worst, aren't they?
>>16861054You need to go back to your own system, hijacker!!!
>>16861034Gosh, you derailed the whole discussion. My premise wasn't about honor being bad, but being too anxious about very distant events is stupid
According to the latest Kurszgesagt video, all the cosmological theories on the structure and evolution of the universe are falling apart.For example there is no telling that the universe will continue an accelerating expansion, given that there is no evidence that dark energy is a static constant.So for all we know, the universe, or at least our observable corner of it may eventually start collapsing in on itself back into a singularity.
>>16860781Thats a challenge to humanity. To keep the light of the universe alive
>>16860785so?
We need not just global warming, a universal warming.
>>16861647Our universe (the "Big Bang universe") is just a tiny spec of dust in an infinite universe (some call it multiverse but I dislike the term).Basically when entropy gets too high in an area, AKA "the heat death" of the universe, a Big Bang spontaneously happens and seeds stars.Our challenge to survive, would be to manage to switch universes before that happens.
>>16861034The oldest human who is known in the modern age was an accountant from 5000 years ago. He was basically a nobody. A cog in the Sumerian trading system. That he is remembered while the great leaders, warriors, and artists of the time are forgotten shows just how capricious "fame" can be.The next oldest are the slave owner, Gal-Sal, and his two slaves, a man named En-pap X and a woman named Sukkalgir.
>>16861647Might make for a good scifi show.
>>16861733>Our challenge to survive, would be to manage to switch universes before that happens.That's hundreds of trillions of years away innit? I don't know about you but I'm going to bed before then.
>>16860781No one in this thread conviced me that incubating a kid and going through labor is worth it.They will die, the grandkids too, and so on.Even if my lineage reproduces till the end of time and is one of the last humans alive, they'll still be fucked.You're all coping that someone will find a solution for this. But what if they don't. Right now we don't stand a chance, why bother with anything?I've been disciplined all my life and it turns out hedonists were right all along.
>>16863144>No one in this thread conviced me that incubating a kid and going through labor is worth it.What does astrophysics have to do with your mental illness?
>>16861251There is a problem with this in that red dwarf stars may be much less habitable than previously thought, and those will be almost all stars soon.
>>16860781What about God's chosen people? Will He save them from this? Dear oh dear.
Infinitely large steady state. Our physical universe is a small part of a vast omniverse made of pure information.
>>16863204>What about God's chosen people?Their G&d is so fucking brutal, I bet no.
>>16861251As much as don't want it to go, I really do want to see Betelgeuse go supernova
>>16860890>We only have billions of years to deal with thiswe had zero science and basically zero technology only 400 years ago. all technology and medicine that you've ever known or heard of has been invented in the past 150 years. now we have super computers, brain surgery, everyone has a cell phone with all human knowledge and instant communication, space flight, etc. 150 years. imagine what we'll have in another 100, and advances are not linear. now imagine 1000 years from now. you can't. now imagine 100000 years from now, you can't. now imagine a million. you can't. now imagine a billion. you can't. you're retarded
So, we only have about a trillion years left to expand our technological abilities, and go exploring into the cosmos??
>>16860890>*procrastinates until the very last photon from any non-local galaxy reaches us before its source veers beyond the particle horizon*
Wonder what would happen if I just threw an amount of gas that is impossible to imagine at a white dwarf star? Could it reignite and become gold again?
>>16861115Maybe life itself realises this and strives to create more life?
>>16861115 >>16866505In that scenario there would be life everywhere. I will also point out that we are alive.
>>16860781>Space echoes like an immense tomb, yet the stars still burn. Why does the sun take so long to die?
>>16861251I like the fact that you seem to believe that humans will still be humans in 1 quadrillion years despite the fact that humans only evolved to their modern form only few thousands of years and there is no reason to believe that evolution has stopped
>cosmological theory astronomer saysMight as well bet on the opposite actually occurring.
you people will believe literally anything if its from a """""credible""""" source (i.e. from someone's heckin' peer reviewed study)
>>16861055>weGo back to redit, faggot.
It's not really new. It's been known for well over a decade that star-formation peaked at about half the current age of the universe. Back then galaxies were forming stars about 10 times faster than now. There was also much more growth of supermassive black holes, shining as quasars and other AGN. In the local universe today quasars are pretty rare.There is a question of what will happen in the future, which is much more uncertain. But some simulations that were run predict the fall in star-formation will continue.
>>16867524>simulationslollmao even
>>16867526And how else do you estimate the future behavior of galaxies?
>>16867529what makes you think you were doing so in the first place?
>>16867529Shhhh don't tell the charlatan
>>16867534please don't, the explanation will be as nonsense as any other.
>>16867535Go back to where you came from tourist.
>>16867537I accept your concession.
>>16867533Because they are literally simulations of galaxies run into the future. As I said, it's very uncertain, but these are the best prediction to date, based on known physics. I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Try using your words. Try forming an argument that isn't just "lmao".
>>16867541this isn't a real galaxy.
>>16867543Correct. It is a real simulation of a galaxy.
>>16867547a fiction, essentially.
>>16867550You've done a loop now:>>16867529>And how else do you estimate the future behavior of galaxies?
>>16867551you are the one making a circular argument, not me.>we can make predictions about galaxies forming using simulationsthen you follow up with>can you propose a better model?it doesn't matter if we don't have a better model because it doesn't automatically make this one correct or even viable.
>>16867553>it doesn't automatically make this one correctWell then it's a good thing I never claimed these were correct. Quite the opposite, I said they were very uncertain. Being able to make a prediction doesn't require it to be correct. But they are the best we have. That is not a circular argument. You have trying to confuse making a prediction with making some statement of absolute truth. Also don't invent quotes.
>>16861073>the highest honor in life is the most basic biological function practiced by virtually all living thingsdoubtsurely you can come up with a "honor in life" that doesn't put you on the same level as bacteria
>>16861626>So for all we know, the universe, or at least our observable corner of it may eventually start collapsing in on itself back into a singularity.The big crunch has always been the only model that makes sense and also just so happens to be the only one correctly predicted millennia ago by based Hindu cosmology.
>>16861120Watch the last 15 minutes or so of "Enter the Void". However it is a requirement to not be sober.
>>16864346>Imagine what we'll have in another hundred...Blacks telling stories around flaming garbage cans about the ghost men from the before fore times who could fly toos da moon?
>>16860781Heat death is no longer a certainty.Some time ago the Webb Telescope or some other bullshit found out that the universe is not accelerating as much as predicted by current models.Chances are that we will maybe get a big crunch if the acceleration eventually stops and the whole shitshow will collapse onto itself by gravity.Then maybe we get another Big Bang and a New Game Plus.
>>16867707dunno what this means, can you translate from pavement ape language to english please?
>>16867713didn't they already rule out heat death a while ago and now are certain it's going to just die a slow cold death towards ultimate equilibrium/end state entropy with the speculation of another bounce?
just find a way to encode the human genome and transmit it to the next universe, where a curious and friendly intelligent civilization will decode it and recreate us in a lab.
Delay the heat death of the universe by pissing in the sink!
Pissing outside maximizes the number of parallel future states consistent with distributing your urine in that location.
fags
>>16863144this, there's no point to life than being virtuous and also hedonistic, just be a good person/sex addict
>>16860781>it's overInsufficient data for a meaningful answer.
>>16864346>Anon who doesn't understand obvious sarcasm calls others retarded.Don't worry anon, someday they'll find a cure for Autism. Too bad it will be long after you're gone.
>>16867741Do you not know what heat death means you fucking faggot?
>>16870016i got news for you, you're gay
>>16860781We need a new space telescope.
>>16861856>Sukkalgir>SugargirlTale as old as time
>>16860781>the entire cosmological model of the universe is in a complete state of crisis after the JWST discovered that the early universe radically deviates from predictions>but they still want to tell everybody that "they know" how everything ends
>>16872050>the entire cosmological model of the universe is in a complete state of crisis after the JWST discovered that the early universe radically deviates from predictionsLel nope. None of the confirmed high redshift galaxies are in tension with cosmology. The bright ones are more abundant that most models of galaxy formation suggest, but not to the extent that they violate cosmological limits. The "universe breaking" galaxies found in one very quick paper were quietly debunked. They were not old massive galaxies, they are in fact pretty normal galaxies with accreting black holes. Don't get your science news from blogspam sites.
>>16872053So post a link to your "quiet debunks", dumb faggot, or are citations beyond your capabilities?
>>16872053>>16872060Never mind, I'll have to do it for you, dumbass:>If most LRDs are AGN, that can explain much of their “universe-breaking” reputation. AGN far outshine normal galaxies, so it could mean they are more moderately sized after all. But even so, the large numbers of them are surprising. There are far more of them — 10 to 100 times more — than other surveys have indicated, whether they are quasars, AGN, or some other form of active black hole.>What’s more, these galaxies only appear in the early universe. They disappear from surveys around a redshift of 4, meaning when the universe was less than 2 billion years old. It’s very likely that they evolve into more typical galaxies — but even that tells us that something strange is happening in those early days to produce these phenomena. The LRD mystery goes hand-in-hand with other findings by JWST that the young universe didn’t unfold the way we thought.https://www.astronomy.com/science/little-red-dots-are-still-a-big-mystery/Fully falls under my assessment of how an "early universe radically deviates from predictions"
>>16872067>Fully falls under my assessment of how an "early universe radically deviates from predictions"Two points. Firstly weird black holes are not part of the cosmological model. Physical cosmology is the large scale evolution of the universe, it does not describe everything to the detail of individual galaxies. So this is not a crisis for cosmology. Secondly, LRDs are mysterious because it isn't known what they are. But several proposed explanations were already predicted by theorists. (e.g. faint AGN, quasistars). They isn't a crisis at all. Also LRDs are a tiny fraction of galaxies, and they don't seem to exist in the earliest galaxies.
>>16860785In a million years it might mean something.
>>16860781>Can't even predict the weather three days from now correctly>Expects me to believe they know what's going to happen one billion years from now.
>>16860781The universe turned 30, huh. Or 18-27 if you go by people's views here.
>>16861187We already reached peak sun 600 million years ago too, it's only downhill from here.
Earth peaked during the carboniferous period, sun is already hitting the wall along with it.
>>16860781I don't believe you
>>16872053Liberal nihilist faggot, your lot will soon be executed
>>16867454humanity wont ever go past the earth's neighborhood
Big bounce is back on the menu, boys!https://www.space.com/astronomy/dark-universe/the-expansion-of-our-universe-may-be-slowing-down-what-does-that-mean-for-dark-energy
>>16867564Saar
>>16869188Based Super AI
