Why the fuck have we not really moved past Schrödinger's cat and the double-slit experiment nearly a century later?
>>16867159Why the fuck have we not really moved past Galileo's Leaning Tower experiment nearly 3 centuries later?
>>16867159Turns out that every single time we do the double slit experiment we get the same surprising result.The cat thing is a thought experiment. No one actually performs it.Post your lab grades. I bet they suck.
>>16867179This guy labs.
>>16867180>Post your lab grades. I bet they suck.Sorry dude I work for a living. I'm not a loser academic.
>>16867185>I work for a living.Clean Up. Aisle 6.Looks like runny mayonnaise.
>>16867206Don't you have grant money to beg for?
>>16867209Don't you have ICE agents to hide from?
>>16867216No I'm white unlike the Chinese PI you hide from
>>16867159I actually sincerely believe that Quantum Physics has too much math for the sake of math and not enough physical explanation. It worth rethinking and maybe we would find something new there.
>>16867159What does moved past mean?
>>16867256Why haven’t we developed a new conceptual framework that goes beyond this foundational paradox.
>>16867259What's paradoxical about it?
>>16867179fpbpalso op is a gay larping retard who slurps massive quantities of horse and nigger semen!!!
>>16867259Why would we?
>>16867259We've developed a bunch of them. It's just hard to decide which one is right. Why don't you read this and give us your thoughts? You seem like a very talented individual.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_quantum_mechanics
WOAH! Reductionism! THE PART GET SMALLER!AGHH I'M GOING CRAZY AGHHHH!!!!!THE CATS DEADTHE CATS ALIVETHE CATS DEADTHE CATS ALIVEFEEDMEASTRAYCATSHRODE
They got atoms to do the double slit experiment..its just a matter of time before they can send cats through
>>16867159Because gate keepers want money for their particle accelerators that dont show any results for the past 50 years
>>16867159because it constantly reminds the goyim that quantum physics is random and only knowable to gods chosen.
>>16867218>Not dominating your Chinese PIishydndt
>>16867159>Why the fuck have we not moved past the double-slit experimentRetard lol
>>16867259Because all of the experimental results thus far are consistent with about twenty different conceptual frameworks that exist, none of which have succeeded in providing new testable hypotheses. Thus, the only sane position to take is that, until such time as that changes, the specific conceptual framework behind the model is moot so long as the model continues to yield reproducible results.
>>16867159Left is a reductio ad absurdum criticism of right.
>>16867159they're having more fun torturing animals and finding out how much bodily autonomy they can take away fromhumans.https://www.brighteon.com/3e543af0-12cb-4d12-9c84-10675310396c
>>16869928>all of the experimental results thus far are consistent with about twenty different conceptual frameworks that exist, none of which have succeeded in providing new testable hypotheses.This is some "teach the controversy" tier retardation. An infinite number of handwavy, post hoc, unfalsifiable just-so stories are always possible and in science they are all to be cauterized away with Newton's laser sword. There is only one experimentally successful framework, called quantum mechanics, pioneered over a century ago by Heisenberg and colleagues, and much like creationists do to evolution it is being unceasingly attacked and equivocated by HARKing anti-science crackpots who can't emotionally handle the fact that it made their nonsensical fairy tales obsolete.
In the last few decades Physicists have been too busy witha) Debating about Christianity and Jesus for some reason.b) Being obsessed with non-scientific quasi-theological non-sense theories because they are mathematically 'aesthetic'.c) Crashing the financial market every 15 years. when they got into finance for the money because the physics factory wasn't hiring. That's why there hasn't been a significant scientific discovery in physics in the last 80 years apart from that one Japanese guy that made the light go blue, yeah.If you want to do actual science and push the boundaries of human knowledge it's not to late to get into chemistry and even biology, OP.
>>16870174>being too retarded to realize anon is supporting the copenhagen interpretation
>>16867159Most science and invention is like this. Do you know when solar panels were invented? 1883. The photovoltaic effect was discovered in 1839.
>>16870393"Copenhagen interpretation" is a mistranslation of "Kopenhagener Geist der Quantentheorie" dysphemistically used by sophistic /x/tards who want to pretend science is some kind of nebulous James Joyce novel open to being "interpreted" differently. Complete and utter bullshit, of course. Hesienberg wrote this:"I avow that the term 'Copenhagen interpretation' is not happy since it could suggest that there are other interpretations, like Bohm assumes. We agree, of course, that the other interpretations are nonsense, and I believe that this is clear in my book, and in previous papers. Anyway, I cannot now, unfortunately, change the book since the printing began enough time ago."There is no such thing as "interpretations". Despite lacking the intellectual capacity to understand his scientific work, you'd expect that they should at least possess kindergarten level academic integrity so as not to plagiarize the term "quantum mechanics", but even that is too much to ask from them.
>>16870462Which scientific experiment supports this claim?
>>16870462>There is no such thing as "interpretations".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_quantum_mechanics
>>16867179they would 't fall the same rate because drag
>>16870799http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah%27s_Arkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_TurtleSo what? Anti-scientific hogwash doesn't become legitimate just because it has a Wikipedia article.
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>>16870864Is that what happened when you failed the undergrad QM 101 class?
>>16869928Actually the main one has failed. The copenhagen explanation about collapse theory failed with the various delayed choice experiments and so they had to invent reverse time traveling particles aka retrocausality to explain the experimental results. So now you have QM - wave function realism + collapse + reverse time travel nonsense added. Three different patch work was required to explain QM for copenhagen interpretation. Its a frankenstein monster that is ugly as fuck.The only QM that is still relevant is Many Worlds. Its just QM as is. There's no claiming the wave functions are just math with no real description, extra collapse isn't needed, there's no reverse time travel nonsense needed.
>>16870893>The copenhagen explanation about collapse theory failed with the various delayed choice experimentsWhich calculation failed? What misprediction was made?>they had to invent reverse time traveling particles aka retrocausality to explain the experimental resultsWhere exactly did they need to do that?https://web.archive.org/web/20211108031014/http://motls.blogspot.com/2016/10/no-retrocausality-in-qm-delayed-choice.html?m=1>The only QM that is still relevant is Many Worlds. Its just QM as is.They're completely inequivalent.https://www.quora.com/Can-you-explain-the-difference-between-quantum-mechanics-and-the-many-worlds-interpretation/answer/Luboš-Motl
>>16870893>wave functions are just math with no real descriptionIt's just fallacious to shift the burden of proof away from the one making a positive claim about the reality of something (e.g. invisible pink unicorns), onto the skeptic who dismisses it.https://www.google.com/books/edition/Quantum_Theory_Concepts_and_Methods/IjCNzbJYONIC?gbpv=1&pg=PA17>We have no satisfactory reason for ascribing objective existence to physical quantities as distinguished from the numbers obtained when we make the measurements which we correlate with them. There is no real reason for supposing that a particle has at every moment a definite, but unknown, position which may be revealed by a measurement of the right kind, or a definite momentum which can be revealed by a different measurement. On the contrary, we get into a maze of contradictions as soon as we inject into quantum mechanics such concepts carried over from the language and philosophy of our ancestorsWhat does a "real description" even mean? Wavefunctions can't have a "real description" algebraically because they're complex-valued. They can't have a "real description" physically because they're not measurable. There is no SI unit for "wavefunction". Only observables are measurable, and measuring one always yields an element of its spectrum. A wavefunction is obtained by picking a CSCO, doing a preparatory measurement for a pure state, and parameterizing it. A pure state isn't even the only kind of quantum state. Mixed states need density matrices, not wavefunctions.>extra collapse isn't neededThe definition of QM includes the collapse postulatehttps://www.google.com/books/edition/Visual_Quantum_Mechanics/GOfjBwAAQBAJ?gbpv=1&pg=PA103https://arxiv.org/pdf/2207.11350#page=7If you drop that, then you're not doing QM anymore. Just like you're not doing Newtonian mechanics if you drop Newton's first law, Euclidean geometry if you drop the parallel postulate, or Peano arithmetic if you drop 0 being a natural number
>>16871069Real description is just that. The wave function is just a description of the model of QM reality as it shows us. There's no "its just a math trick bro" argument inserted as a means to diminish wave function out of QM, when wavefunciton IS the QM. This isn't to say QM is the reality we live in, but its a model that that explains what the wave functions are as such. A model with many worlds inside. Just as classical mechanics only allow one universe, QM allows many worlds. We dont deny the reality of classical mechanics, we merely scope it to classical mechanics. As such, QM's wavefunction its appropriate many worlds are part of the same model of reality.Everyone now knows QM isn't the be all end all model of reality either. Strings's got infinite many worlds or something. Thats a model that cant make otherrs cant sense of either, especially since classical mechanical guys dont even want to take QM serious enough. Classical mechanical interpretation of QM is just an artifact of lower bound model trying to explain higher bounded model.
>>16871069Wave function collapse is the moment your mind becomes aware of a certain thing. Any attempt to make it denote something else lead to gross paradoxes (see Kochen Specker theorem spinoff like GHZ states and reread the Wigner's friend idea). The world as we know it is a mental construct. And MWI wasn't stupid, it was an attempt to get wf collapse indirectly from the other axioms of QM.
>>16867159Because it is a hard limit of how humans understand how force works. The double-slit is how force works in the universe, and the only way forward is to develop self-consciousness, of which physicists have none.
the truth is stochastic mechanics
>>16870800I'll drag my nuts across your face.
>>16871111then why have we never observed a wf collapse. of all the "particles" around us collapsing all the time, we should've seen it at least once. just because it works as a """model""" doesn't mean it's "real".
>>16871187the COPEnhagenist would say everytime we measure zomething we have observed collapse
>>16871187You don't observe wf collapse because wf collapse is the very act of observing.
