Modern science is literally just blind men groping around in the dark pretending they can see. These people have spent centuries measuring and quantifying the material world collecting their precious "data" but they've completely severed themselves from any understanding of what actually lies beneath it all. They know HOW things work mechanically but have zero comprehension of WHY anything exists or what it means. It's like they've mistaken the prison bars for the entire universe. They've locked themselves into studying only what can be weighed and measured, declaring that the sensible world is all there is while remaining willfully ignorant of the metaphysical and spiritual dimensions that give reality its actual significance. Traditional civilizations understood that material science was supposed to be connected to higher wisdom, but modern science said "nah we're independent now" and cut the rope leaving it dangling in the void as just a collection of sterile facts that come from nothing and lead nowhere. They mistake their endless hypotheses and approximations for knowledge when they've lost all access to absolute certainty and intellectual intuition. Worst of all is that it's not even about truth anymore, it's just utilitarianism, building machines to build more machines, turning humans into servants of matter. They're literally exploiting forces whose real nature they don't even understand. Imagine being that proud of your ignorance.
>>16876910Yeah, you showed them, OP.Why study reality using a logical and correct approach, when they could be blindly trusting whatever ancient book you blindly trust instead? Lol.
>>16876928You make the assumption that the world is built on material which influences your so called logical and correct approach. The truth is that nothing exists except for mind. You don't even need religion. The truth is that the world is built on ideas and the world can change based on those ideas. There is no such thing as measuring. Only rationalizing reality into existence.
>>16876910>>16876933You make the mistake of thinking that your perspective is worth even a fraction of the value that science brings.
>>16876933What exactly is your point?Nothing exists except for the mind? Ok.So you are just saying to give up on trying to understand anything because it is all non existent except for my mind then? And repeatable experiments are also illusions too lol.
>>16876933>The truth is that nothing exists except for mindproof?
>>16876938Proof is for science.OP rejects all science.Therefore there is no proof.He is just making a claim that has basically no repercussions at all, for example, "nothing exists."And you are supposed to accept his claim because... because you just should listen to him ok.That is what OP wants.Nothing exists, and that means, that trying to find out the truth using proof is pointless, because proof is fake... only OP is correct. Nobody else.Lol.
>>16876936>So you are just saying to give up on trying to understand anything because it is all non existent except for my mind then?Anon. Yes you can. You can define your understanding just as you are defining your existence right now.
>>16876910Jesus did not rise from the dead and he's never coming back.
>>16876951Whenever I read the New Testament and the apocrypha I always seem to get the impression that in the original unedited version of the Gospel Jesus was trying to say that He was resurrected symbolically. Like, by becoming like Him, you become Him. It makes more sense when you consider the most reliable apocrypha. When He says to drink His blood and eat His flesh, He means to fill yourself with Him and become like Him, and then He symbolically lives on through you in a way. Not literally. To store your treasures in a place where dust does not corrupt means to put your opinions and personality in writing so that way it will outlive you. Lol.
>>16876928>being a logicuckI pity you.
>>16876957Whatever bible you read was blatantly written by a LGBTpedo atheshit reprobate.
>>16876964You are a profoundly retarded and mentally ill subhuman faggot.
>>16876969There is nothing "symbolic" about what Christ is talking about and is setting out to do, this is your own modernist atheist bias speaking.
The problem isn't science, logic, rationalism or materialism, it's the lack of creativity, insight, curiosity and wonder. The first set is easier to grind and display which is why it has brought so much obvious value.
>>16876972>it's the lack of creativity, insight, curiosity and wonder.That's exactly the sort of thing our institutions exist to snub out.
>>16876970>there's nothing symbolic about the guy who only speaks using metaphors, symbolism, and parables that have historically been interpreted hundreds of different ways for thousands of years with no one ever settling on a single interpretation, and dividing into numerous sects that interpret his teachings differently, because it is so clear and not symbolic at all.Anyways, yeah.If you read all of the oldest texts about Jesus including the apocrypha, he was likely a teacher who taught that flesh dies and so it is better to become immaterial to survive, for example, by writing, or by making others become like you, he hints at this a lot and I think his original teachings were later altered to stray away from his original thoughts lol.
>>16876910Modern science allows you to broadcast your inane half-baked takes to the whole world
>>16876981>still making up a bunch of shit about what Christ personally believed in because he follows an effeminate reprobate secular """christianity"""Braindead pomo retard.
>>16876987Mainstream is not always the truth.Gospel of Thomas was literally written around the same time as the canonical gospels. When the Bible was being originally assembled, the humans assembling decided that it should not be included because it contradicted the other gospels they had, so they rejected it and the church tried to destroy the copies of it. This isn't some kind of "post modern new age atheist interpretation" of Christianity.Gnosticism was one of the first sects of Christianity, but all of their documents were destroyed as well by the Church.If you want to know what Jesus actually said, why are you just trusting the most violent sect, the one that won? The sect that is mainstream only won over the other sects because they put people to the sword. Original Christianity had many sects and modern Christianity has many interpretations as well.>Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman, prostrate yourselves onyour faces and worship him. That one is your father."This was written around the same time as the four canon gospels.From a historical perspective, it would make more sense if the gospel of Thomas was written first actually, because it's just a collection of sayings without context. Why would somebody take the canon gospels and remove all the context? It would make more sense that the people who made the canon gospels used the sayings in the gospel of thomas as source material, it makes more sense they would build upon previous works rather than randomly strip out quotes, add false quotes, and make a collection of quotes.>Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being.>Jesus said, "If a blind man leads a blind man, they will both fall into a pitit seems to me like the four canon gospels were written after the gospel of thomas and they were based on it, people added stories to add context to these quotes that were listed in the original document, recorded sayings of Jesus.
>>16876987I simply studied more. Doing research is good.There are a lot of apocrypha, and Thomas is the most reliable one, because it was likely the source material for the four gospels because it is just a collection of quotes of Jesus, most of them are canon, with a few quotes that are not in the four gospels. The only alternate theory is that the gospels were written first, and then the gospel of thomas just randomly cheery picked some quotes from the gospels and added false quotes to it. Lol.
>>16876987Also by the way this wasn't me: >>16876969This was just some guy who agrees with me I guess. Anyways I'm done now. I just wanted to say that if you read all the material about Jesus, not just the material that was accepted by the mainstream, then you get a different story. That's all. Because, the four gospels were likely not the first stories written about Jesus, the letters of Paul were, and then perhaps some "false" writings like the Gospel of Thomas were next, and then the four gospels you know. Remember the bible was just assembled by an assembly of people and they picked and chose what books to accept and what books to deny anon. Lol.
>>16877005>>16877009>>16877011This is all a bunch of Straussian schizo babble that hinges on nothing but your incredulity in the face of overwhelming evidence of what Jesus Christ actually taught and believed in.>I'm an atheist, so it doesn't make sense someone wouldn't be as wellThat's it, that's your only argument to reject Jesus's claims to his own Divinity.
>>16876970Jesus did not rise and is never coming back, so it quite simply does not matter what he said or claimed. He was not god incarnate and Christianity is not a true religion. The bible is not the word of God and is not worth anything whatsoever, pouring over it's pages is a sign of being low IQ.
>>16877015Write that without the dildo in your ass next time.
>>16877017>you're a faggot/tranny because you say christianity is not trueCope. Christianity is a false religion and you're wasting your time and your spirituality by continuing to take this jewish fairytale seriously.
>>16877018Hating God is a tendency of faggot reprobates.
>>16877018>>16877017>>16877015>>16877012I'm pretty sure Jesus is God actually but I just want to know the truth about the Gospel.There's multiple religions about Jesus, in Islam He is considered just a prophet. And in Gnosticism He is still considered a savior but just in a different kind of way.These are all established beliefs, I'm not making any of it up. There's not even one Christianity, there's many.I'm actually not even an athiest but I am just searching for the true documents and interpretation of Jesus, lol.
>>16877012No even in Gnosticism Jesus is still considered divine, and the Son of God, just a different God. In Gnosticism Jesus is not the Son of Yahweh but the Son of "the Monad."Lol.
>>16877020So why do you arbitrarily hone in on the Gospels of Thomas, then?
>>16877019When did I say that I hate god, retard?Jesus is not god and christianity is not the religion of God.>>16877020He's not.
>>16877022I'm sure in your mind it's because I want to deviate and feel special about myself.And that might be true I don't know.But from my perspective I think the gospel of thomas seems more credible just because to me it seems like it's older than the canon gospels. & so, I think it's reliable text. IDK. We have strayed pretty far from OP's original post which itself was already off-topic now lol.
>>16876957>To store your treasures in a place where dust does not corrupt means to put your opinions and personality in writing so that way it will outlive you.Very materialist and ego-centric of you.>in writing>original unedited versionYou dont see the semi-truck coming at you when admiring that reflection in the mirror...even if it remained unchanged to letter, the definitions of the words can be altered, even into inversions, warping your manifesto into whatever is most prophitable for the era.>opinions and personalityThats not Christ like. Thats self like.>you become Him.If you succeed it in only be in your mind, but the world will see a demon...well, half, that half will be quite pleased a demon ascended and walks among them. Sins will pour from the sky.
>>16876910That equation is missing +AI
>>16876933If you actually studied the science you're decrying you'd notice those scientists often come to the same conclusion as you.You're just trolling with a hippie version of simulation theory lol.
>>16876910Your complaints about science are common and meaningless philosowankery made by delusional morons who fail to accept that science is superior to metaphysical babbling.
>>16877019>stop hatting on muh sky daddy!!!Grow up, buffoon
Anyone got an alternative to Pdfdrive? Its nice the goverment can fight pirating but porn stilk a money grab.... i like reading books pdf was a treasure trove
>>16876910Bro there’s no money to be made in making sense of the world. All of science supports corporate interests. Also you cannot realistically measure the unknowns so you have to measure what you can observe. The metaphysical isn’t conclusive chud. Keep dreaming.
>>16877115>no money to be madeThis is your G-d, Das Kapital.>metaphysical isn’t conclusiveThat - in G-d means they cannot "see/hear/feel" God, they need external signals to communicate with it, (the white/red thing in Judaism).>Keep dreamingFalse certainty, that has a vested interest in not being corrected;>money to be made...means you have a literal anti-reason to find the correct conclusion. You wont, your life would be harmed otherwise amd for what eill be seen as zero gain...and its not about "cash flow", its about viewing gain before production. How capitalist of you. Starting off with a cost to you is;"The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are being destroyed."Looking foolish...self oriented perspective is a pit one must die to get out. You cannot be reborne without dying first....
>>16876910>material science (cube, Earth) was supposed to be connected to higher wisdom (octahedron, Air)Spiritless and spirit. The last few hundred years the species has used Chemistry as the foundational perspective in Medicine. Molochular Biology (The Selfish Gene isnt a gene, its Cognitive perspective of the brain upon the heart; definitionally Schizophrenic, as his own head is hostile to his own heart). Today that is being replaced with BioPhysics (Electric/Magnetics (or "immaterial forces")). Michael Levin stressing to M.D.s to "see patient's body parts as alive and perceptive of what the host couldnt be aware of, like an independent being in a sense (respected)".https://youtu.be/g_sJCNwf-xs>Me and him, we're from different ancient tribes. Tribes of Davide and Levi, primary components of Father and Son.>Now we're both almost extinct. Im eternally functionally extinct, Evolving into being and dysgenically procreating with lesser beings. The first chicken fucked something that wasnt...>Sometimes you gotta stick with the ancient ways, the old school ways. Eternal is always modern.>I know you understand me.[as I say this to the void...]
>>16877152>Molochular BiologyOh, and this is because its not (You) thats fixing yourself, its some external chemical inducing changes in your body for you (somewhere in the middle of the problem, which can cause its own issues (side effects)). Not only is that unnatural, its degenerating just as vitamins are (taken regularly it tells your body to stop producing it itself, because its being overloaded). All those negative effects are invisible to the Selfish Gene, because it doesnt give a shit about you.Once started they/you MUST get it or youll feel like youre dying, literally. They sacrifced kids to Moloch for the same reason the EU is...they need it because it lets them live their "Talmudic lifestyle of Europe", and if they dont get it from war, they kill their own, and if that is not an option they must change their soul (Developmental Cognition) or an hero.>Selfish GeneGenes are Molochules, people worship those. Tribe, race, and dont even see the person theyre procreating with. That Chinese billionaire using IVF to make hundreds of Jew/China hybrids. Epstein had a "gene supremacy" issue as well...I saw a X post, woman saying "I could never date a material reductionist." Someone thats purely in the soulless realm and oriented towards producing nothing, taking twice. Its the worst parts of both worlds.
"Oh, I atrophied a gland and now you need my subscription model to remain alive?"Vax was a stochastic, global (universal), hueman sacrifice, because all of the survivers were going to benefit from what they themselves didnt earn...your God demanded that from you, not me.
>>16877171>Oh, and thisMedicine, not Cognitve, but how the Cogntive uses it. Many are good and couldnt be replaced, but the focus on it turns it into poison.>Once started they/you MUST get it or youll feelDawkins cannot stop pecking at the very thing keeping him alive, the Church, while he cries about nasheeds playing outside, (this is just a public example, he does this in every aspect of life)...if he is forced to stop a literal countdown will begin.He will either ascend beyond, have his "come to Jesus moment", or he will submit to it in full measure and realize, like Judas, after its way too late...then he will be removed by others. As the replacement has zero need for him to remain around.
>>16876910B8 or throw your phone, polyester clothes, and glasses away
>>16877185Why are you in my thread?
>>16877184>then he will be removed by others.Hah...Im thinking far too 5th Dimensionally.[slaps forehead]He'll be dead decades before that happens. YOUR grandchildren will the ones removed. Silly me and my little SpaceTime maze...
>>16877189>5th Dimensionally>>>/pol/524234233>10, personally.When techincal terms fail..and then notation fails...poetry, allegory, metaphor, and parables, are what that remain.Hell...interpretive dance, you align your body is angled proportions against itself, a literal symbol/sign made by your body displaying what they themselves dont fully understand. Geomtric signaling.
>>16876910>They've locked themselves into studying only what can be weighed and measuredIts always been this way.>Ezekiel 40:3"[...]he was standing in the gateway with a linen cord and a measuring rod in his hand."And always will be.The measuring rod is "You" (me).Are you satisfied, OP? That the very crux, heh, of your issue is being solved as we speak?
>>16876910Science has indeed been over for many years now. The question is: what do we do next, and what do we do with all the scientists now that we don't need them anymore?
