Um, what?Genetics and evolution are inseparable from the environment because the environment is the primary force that shapes how genes are expressed and determines which genetic traits are selected for survival and reproduction. This dynamic interaction works in multiple ways, making a simple "nature vs. nurture" distinction obsolete. Is “environment, not genetics” a form of cope? The same way trans people insist on using different words because they don’t like the words people normally use? The whole ‘correlation is not causation’ thing is also retarded.
>Is “environment, not genetics” a form of cope? The same way trans people insist on using different words because they don’t like the words people normally use? I mean. Yes. A lot of human interaction and disagreement is based purely around words and their usage and not the actual essence at hand. It’s retarded beyond compare. It has gotten people killed.
>>16877471>Genetics and evolution are inseparable from the environment because the environment is the primary force that shapes how genes are expressed and determines which genetic traits are selected for survival and reproduction.Right. Like when you evolve for a certain kind of environment, but then white folx do their best to continually rob you of the optimal conditions implied by your biology and genetically in your DNA by the optimal environment. :^)At some point /pol/troons decided to adopt the leftist pseudointellectual style of debate but they lack the jewish IQ to pull it off.
>>16877471It's a pointless debate, to be honest. Saying "it's the environment" doesn't mean denying genetics , it means recognizing that genes don't act in a vacuum. For example, the same genotype can produce different results depending on diet, stress, pathogens and social structure.
>>16877483>I mean. Yes. A lot of human interaction and disagreement is based purely around words and their usage and not the actual essence at hand. It’s retarded beyond compare. It has gotten people killed.Without knowing it, op is doing the same thing.
>>16877518>Saying "it's the environment" doesn't mean denying geneticsIt means denying genetics as the deciding factor in the given environment.
>>16877529outcomes aren’t determined by genes alone or environment alone, but by their interaction. You're creating a false dichotomy for no reason.
>>16877535>outcomes aren’t determined by genes alone or environment aloneRight. That's not what that post says, however, you mouth-breathing cretin.
>>16877537>environment is the primary forceTypical of a neurotic who refuses to admit he is wrong.
>>16877539You really need to take your anti-psychotics and I don't care if it makes you ever dumber than you are right now.
>>16877541>talks about the nature vs. nurture debate as something stupid>Proceeds to do the same thing by saying that it's the environment that prevails and shapes everythingAm I to conclude that you are just as retarded as those you criticize?
>>16877544>hearing voices and attributing their statements to other peopleYour anti-psychotics first. Then we may continue.
>>16877550I quoted your own words and the first post was right, people are arguing instead of getting to the heart of the matter. Just to clarify, the environment has never been the deciding factor, biology isn't as simple as you think.
>>16877557>I quoted your own wordsAt no point did you quote anything I actually wrote. You're legit having an episode.
>>16877558>the environment is the primary force that shapes how genes are expressed>It means denying genetics as the deciding factor in the given environmentYour whole point is about saying that genetics doesn’t independently matter, which is wrong and create a false debate
>>16877562One of those statements is mine. The other is the voices you're hearing.>Your whole point is about saying that genetics doesn’t independently matterThis is schizo word salad.
>>16877471You are measuring from the wrong place you stupid fucking frog
>>16877471Proper diet is required for higher functioning IQs.
>>16877471all I know is that you can take a lil n*g*er from the most low IQ village where they suck on cows asses and train him to score 150 IQ, simple as
>>16878058Doubt it.
>>16877471Are you retarded? "It's environmental" means that the effects of genes and the environment cannot be decoupled. The cope is in continuing to insist that it's just genetic.
That sounds pretty racist anon. You're fired.#inclusivity #openness #diversity
>>16878145No one ever insisted it was “just genetic and not environmental” you idiot. YOU are the one coping now by attempting to revision history. When libtards says “it’s environmental not genetic” they are splitting hairs as a form of cope.
>>16878145>The cope is in continuing to insist that it's just genetic.They never insisted it was “just” genetic since they always assumed it was environmental. Their detractors assumed it was purely environmental, though.
>can learn math>can learn languages>can learn synonyms>can learn how to do better on the different sections of the sat/act>can't learn how to identify patterns in shapes on iq tests>can't learn how to tell what words mean the same thing on iq tests>can't learn how to spot patterns in a series of numbers on an iq test
My environment sucked and I'm a cerebral stud.Of course even a shitty US environment through the 90s and early 2000s was very good generally.
>>16877694false
>it’s nutrition! it’s environment!the amount of cope kek
>>16878180>"I'm a cerebral stud">posts unverifiable and irrelevant anecdote Apparently not
>>16877471>because the environment is the primary force that shapes how genes are expressed and determines which genetic traits are selected for survival and reproductioni mean yeah? But the primary driving force of evolution is actually genetic drift
>>16878144>u can't train solving autism puzzles>current IQ: -54u hav a lot to train
>>16878058maybe if you explain the pattern like a retard i doubt they can solve HRT items even if you tell the pattern lmaoanywaytraining iq doesnt show raw ability you are supposed to take it one time raw without any training thats your IQ nigga
>>16878524Stop splitting hairs.
“It’s gender not sex”“It’s cismale not male”Fuck. Off.
nurture > naturesorry if you disagree, but its the truth.
>>16878524>But the primary driving force of evolution is actually genetic drift*novel symbiotic events
>>16877471Nobody knows, really. It would be nice to think it's all genetics, but look at the Jews. Attempting to apply race theory to Jews is impossible, since they thrive on conversion and have never lived in isolation. Their culture encourages debate, and produces intelligence - enough to change the world many times over, despite being only ~0.2% of the global population. If you don't interpret this as a combination of genetics (and epigenetics), culture and history, then you're probably just grinding an axe.
>>16880649>change the world many times overGive an example of such change
>>16881066>>16880649>>16880618>>16878058
>>16877471you're all retarded it is probably both, but the main point is that it doesn't matter you'll always be subzero IQ
>>16877471its both, your maximum potential IQ is up to genetics but the IQ you end up with is environmental, similar to a lot of aspects of yourself, I could be born with the genetics to become a top running athlete but I wont reach that potential if I don't train to it, your brain requires use and exercise to reach its potential but sometimes your born with genes that no matter how hard you try you cant get it as high as others, plus IQ isn't a great display of intelligence, intelligence can come in different aspects and the brain likes to optimize to what you actively do.
>>16880649Is it debate when they hang fishing line around New York to trick God? Is this the level of their genius?
>>16884249It has always been both. You cannot separate evolution from the environment. Any environment. The lack of an environment IS an environment.
>>16877471when they say that they means that whether you're fed or not affects your IQ, which it actually barely does, at least I heard that in a youtube video
>>16884497Retard take. What you eat, and what you don't eat, can definitively lower your IQ a lot. Specially when you are a child.
>>16877471Planning, hoarding, and patience for the north. Audacity, sacrifice, and initiative for the south. Along with radiation resistance or vitamin d availability, those are the races.
of course its both you retardswhat people mean by "its genetic" and "its environmental" is what they think the deciding factor is in creating the differences that are observed between the various populations inhabiting modern western countriesand the simple truth is that when a (white) family adopts a (black) child, the child's intelligence will correlate more with that of his biological parents and siblings than with his adoptive family, because the simple truth is that the environmental differences between people in the west tend to not be as great as leftist demagogues make them out to be (and just do not affect the outcome that much) and that there are differences between the races in frequency of genes coding for intelligence, which explain most of the differencewhen people say "its le environment" its a weak and flabby attempt to deny the above and ascribe it all to poverty and bad schools, when the data obviously show that the environment is not the deciding factor here.
>>16885266>when people say "its le environment" its a weak and flabby attempt to deny the above and ascribe it all to poverty and bad schools, when the data obviously show that the environment is not the deciding factor here.It’s because liberals cannot think for themselves. “But the scientific consensus says that there are no differences between white and black people”“Do you REALLY think that?”“Yes I do believe it because the scientific consensus told me so”
There's also a sociological aspect to IQ. If you're doing an IQ test among people who value IQ, they will try hard to get a good score. If you're doing an IQ test among people who don't value IQ, they won't try to get a good score. There are communities where people will purposely 'prove' that they are retards so that they aren't seen as intelligent for various reasons. Being seen as intelligent can be a curse because it can put a target on your back.
>>16877471smart frog
>>16877471Indeed. This explains why the Pakistani Muslim aryans have +25 IQ points over the Indian Hindu rape rats, and are far more civilized. Hindus breed like cockroaches and are selected for raping, being pedos, stealing, and lying. After millions of years of concentrating those genes through inbreeding, you get India.
>>16880649We Jews really are naturally high IQ. My pure ashkenazi family was literally living in the ghetto and shit but we all grew up to be high IQ chads. You goyim are literally niggers to us intellectually.
>>16887711>>16887717Verbal IQ for the merchants
>>16877471NoHey pinhead,How many gorillions of years before Thomas Sewell evolves into Thomas Sowell?
