new year editionprevious >>16878154
What's the point of wasting all that bubbly
We're just hours away from the first manned landing on Mars, courtesy of Elon Musk.Get that champagne chilled down for the celebration.
>>16881923Because they're rich
Cancel gateway
>>16881923to antagonize william shatner
>>16881958im with him on this one
>>16881958It's not that hard, appearently.https://youtu.be/pF28Zednl10
>>16881920So /sfg/, what was your favorite and least favourite launch of 2025?
>>16881925It's no longer in SpaceX's fiduciary responsibility to go to Mars.Tough shit kid
>>16880357>2025 predictions>2025 Falcon launches: 160165, closer than SpaceX's 175-180 initial goal>2025 Starship launches: 145 lol, I said it was gonna be either 8 or 14 launches with no inbetween depending on whether they manage to catch the ship immediately, even when trying to be somewhat realistic I wasn't prepared for the abject failure of V2, also lmao >25 launches in '25>2025 Vulcan launches: 6LOL, 1 (one) fucking launch>next SLS launch: 2026-09-10damn I'm gonna have to pull this one forward>HLS test refueling flights: 14>A III: 2028-09-15>A III intl moonwalker: PesquetThey're now saying the first Euro to the Moon is supposed to be German, which'd be great, but I assume that's also a high a chance of being a HALOcuck, so I'm keeping Pesquet here. No clue why I thought he'd be on AIII though and who knows how the program will look by then.>SLS future: A II + III, no 1B+rip>first Starship orbit: IFT-8, 2025-02-24lol>first Starship catch: 2025-04-15lol>first SH reuse: 2025-08-10IFT-9, 05-27, 2.5 month earlier>first Starship reuse: 2026-02-20not likely lel>Starliner first operational: 2026-02-15>>>>>>>>>>>>>first New Glenn launch: 2025-01-0616th, not that far off but it was also right after New Year.>first Neutron launch: 2026-03-15>first Terran R launch: 2026-03-15these ain't happening>Will Astra survive to another launch attempt: yes>Mars: yes, w/ NASA>implying Mars will still happen>Mars when: 2033 window>unmanned landing: 2028 window
>>16880357>>16881998>2026 predictions>2026 Falcon launches: 200>2026 Starship launches: 8before that April license earlier I would've said 10, but we're essentially at the same point as a year ago>2026 Vulcan launches: 6>ULA shuttered: 2030>2026 New Glenn launches: 8Surely Limp can get it up>next SLS launch: 2026-03-10>HLS test refueling flights: 14>A III: 2028-09-15>first intl moonwalker: Pesquet>SLS future: killed after A Vplease save us Jared>Blue Moon-Mk1: 2026-02-15>will it tip: no>first Starship orbit: IFT-13, 2026-06-15>first Starship catch: 2026-08-15hopium>first Starship reuse: 2026-12-15strong hopium>Starliner first operational: 2027-07-15idfk anymore, wtf is Boeing even doing>first Neutron launch: 2026-09-15surely they can make it this year>first Terran R launch: 2027-03-15>first Nova launch: 2026-10-15very strong hopium>Spectrum orbit: flight 2 26-Q1>RFA status: it's over (maybe an attempt in Q3)>Will Astra survive to another launch attempt: yes>Will SpaceX IPO: unfortunately, yes>New rocket landings: 4, ZQ-3, LM-12, another chink, and yet another chink/Neutron/Nova on their first try somehow>Planet 9: no>biggest 1 % asteroid: .5 m>astro deaths: 0>Mars: yes, w/ NASA>Mars when: 2033 window>unmanned landing: 2028/9 window
2026 LaunchesNew Glenn > StarshipVulcan > StarshipNew Glenn and Vulcan each also launch more mass to orbit than Starship.
>>16881990I dunno, I used to watch every F9 launch before they put them on Twitter only, now I hardly remember to tune in for other agencies and companies. Starship failing and going into hyperspeeen because of pumping preburner exhaust into the tanks, a decision so retarded nobody wanted to take it seriously, will always be both extremely hilarious and just plain stupid. The failures gave us extreme kino and pic related, though. Going full spectrum was great, too (especially that NSF screencap), honestly a bunch of kino failures (and whatever the fuck H3 did last week). Honestly though the tracking views on the successful Nooglin return were absolutely fantastic (minus the landing itself). I've long held NROL-76 as my favourite launch just because of the basically uninterrupted S1 footage from launch to landing and NG-2 came pretty damn close to that, and that over water. Blessed WB-57.>>16882014I want to believe ULA can ramp up but I just don't see it happening. Especially with Tory gone they're a dead company walking, so they might as well draw the inevitable out some more.
>>16882000right, forgot to add that before that April license I would've put Starship orbit and catch like two months earlier each. And reuse too probably.
>>16882020Not so much ULA ramping up as Starship shuddering to a halt. With that April 2026 date for the next launch, that's 6 months-ish between launches. And they're back down at the painful end if the learning curve.
>>16882020>and whatever the fuck H3 did last weekVibration induced failure of the payload during launch of all things, I believe.
>>16882025I have hopium V3 will work better than V2, just like I expected V2 to not have many issues this time last year, so I think even if they mess up the first launch I expect them to manage six launches this year but who knows considering how last year went, especially the COPV shit (fucking twice). Mostly I just can't believe they'd manage to fuck up so hard again but then again they've shown time and again that they're perfectly capable to. It would be incredibly funny to have another lost year though, it's always entertaining to see people's overly optimistic timelines being blown out/seeing how my attempt at being realistic still ends up too optimistic when knowing that the program will continue anyways.>>16882029>after all the memeing on Vulcan it's H3 that actually gets hitpottery
>>16881925You're right, Felon never delivers. Better rely on NASA and pockocmoc who have been 'working' on their Mars manned missions for the last ~45 years. Just 2 more decades guys, I swear it's true this time!
>>16882060Congress never authorized a manned Mars program, so didn't provide the resources to start one. You may debate about "Ares" if you like, but that was a space WPA with no goal beyond graft.Elon has insisted that everything he does is directed toward the conquest of Mars, and has used tens of billions of dollars to prove that.And here we are. Another missed window with a broken rocket that blows up at the most initial test stage and a broken development process.
Happy New Year, /sfg/.
>>16882086happy new year, anon!
>>16882086same. happy new spehs to you too
>>16882086another lousy year on this lousy planet, fuck this shit
>>16882014>each also launch more mass to orbit than Starshipyeah sure, but how many bananas have they launched?
>>16881990this motherfucker set the tone for the rest of the year. i spit on him.
>>16881920Will we get any oc /sfg/ rocket launch webm?
who's gonna watch? everyday until Jan 5th, from 7pm-11pm ET, they'll be showing national events. Hopefully there's plenty of spaceflight stuff being shown throughout the week.https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2006400886981939237
>>16882131They should do this for NY fireworks.Quickly stack starship.
>>16882140They could launch 20 of them, even. 25 flights in 2025!!
2020 was gonna be the year of starship, now its 2026 and still half a year away from first proper mission, how grim..
>>16882131but that was kino, anon.
soyuz vibe check?
>>16882142>2020 was gonna be the year of starshipIt was going to be the year of everything: JWST, SLS, New Glenn, Starship, space hotels, Bigelow, Ariane 6, Vulcan, etc etc
>>1688214210 yearsZero (0) orbital flightsMaybe the tortoise will actually surpass the hare after all…
The Mars window has been truly missed the health issues will now be the focus of his life. FUCKI can't cope. Once the LUNR mission falls on its side again my hopes for 2030-2040 are over.
the 2026 in spaceflight wikipedia page will crash the internet, inshallah
>>16881978Shatner is based
>Maximum use of Apollo systems>Application of common mission modules>Development of reusable transportation systems>Earth orbit demonstration of manned long life systems>Lunar surface activity as preparation for Mars surface operations>Utilization of automated precursors>Add nuclear propulsion to chemical propulsion for deep space operations50 years late, but now it can finally come to fruition.https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20240011937/downloads/1969-08%20MSFC%20von%20Braun%20-%20Manned%20Mars%20Landing.pdf
>>16882086Happy New Year, Anon.
>>16882169With Apollo hardware, an upgraded LEM derived Hab and a beefed up heat shield, we could have had Mars and Venus flybys in the 1970s.
>>16882142I am still waiting for the Tesla Roadster 2020 (2027)
>>16881925That was before they found out they needed an A.I installed on the Mars rover for automation.
No musk melty, grimes stays malding over fuentes shit; is nature healing??
"Europa Report" is a captivating sci-fi thriller that stands out for its realistic portrayal of space exploration. The film follows a group of astronauts on a ...lol, have you seen this shit? so bad.
Fuck Artemis
>>16881953Tfw no nipponese Tron space gf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4zej9IiU4s/sfg/ in shambles...
>>16882189It is so fucking ugly like holy shit. They even found a way to make the NASA worm look boring and gay. No rhyme or reason, no thought put in to it, no sovl, just a stupid fucking retarded rocket. I hope every SLS fails
>>16882207Nobody cares and Brian Cox is a retard.
>>16882209>I hope every SLS failswhy? whats wrong with you?
happy new year friends.
>>16882207I don't listen to br*tish people who tell me something can't be done
>>16882207not him, just slop. Cox can be cringe but he's not small-souled.
>>16882220Cheers bruv, I hope the next orbit is good for us all
>>16882220yes! it's going to be a great year
another new year I spend on esefgee...
>>16881920Elon and Tesla should start a campaign to sell monorails in 2026.
>>16882262>nuclear plantelon should invest in nuclear power since we're going to need it for space colonies
2026 should be interesting. Starship to the moon haha..
1 January 2019Ultima ThuleIts really been 7 years
>>16882288
ITS OVER
>>16882298>nglnever gonna launch?
>>16882269>nuclearHow hard could it be to pluck a reactor out of one of our boomers and send it to space? DoE/Navy/Westinghouse red tape fuckery aside. One of the good things about the AI race right now is that corporations and thus the politicians on their payroll are finally coming back around to nuclear
>>16882304>nglNot Gonna Lie.
>>16882288>Ultima Thuleracist.
>>16882304New Glenn Losing
>>16882288Imagine being a space rock and not even having the velocity to smash another space rock so the two of you just touch balls and stay like that for a billion years.
26 launches in 2026
>SpaceX has had 0 launches this year.let that sink in
>>16882332Grim
there's still time for SpaceX to launch the remaining 20 Starship launches this year. they just have to do it from Baker Island (UTC-12:00) within the next 3 hours and 45 minutes. come on elon.
>>16882332pathetic. my neighbors have at least 100 launches already
>>16882298found this in grok's media tab.. kind hot ngl
sfg is dead...
>How many Starship flights?>How many New Glenn flights?>Will SpaceX catch the Ship? If yes, when?>When will Neutron launch?>How many new rockets will have a successful landing and which ones?>Will Planet 9 be discovered?>What is the size of the biggest asteroid that has at some point a hit probability of at least 1%?>What will be the NET of Artemis 3 at the end of year 2026?>How many astronauts will die?>Any other predictions?
>>16882060>visiting mars and venus in one missionThat would have been kino
>>16882262He already did, it was called hyperloop and went fucking nowhere.
>>16882379I thought grok's media tab was full of people getting it to undress girls atm?
Wonder if they're going to show the Shuttle and other rockets and rovers we've sent to other planets.
>>16882395/sfg/ will never die so long as someone keeps posting '/sfg/ is dead'
>>16882189Each launch of the SLS costs more than building the Washington Monument they're projecting that on.Infuriating.
>>16882399>How many Starship flights?7>How many New Glenn flights?5>Will SpaceX catch the Ship? If yes, when?Yes. November>When will Neutron launch?Around august>How many new rockets will have a successful landing and which ones?1 Chinese and 1 American>Will Planet 9 be discovered?Yes>What is the size of the biggest asteroid that has at some point a hit probability of at least 1%?I don't know>What will be the NET of Artemis 3 at the end of year 2026?2028>How many astronauts will die?4>Any other predictions?Yes
Good morning /sfg/ and a Happy New Year.Another year closer to the peak of deep space exploration.
>>16882451I will be 31 when Dragonfly lands. Fuck...
>>16882452Remember how hopeful we were this time last year? And then IFT-7 happened. And then IFT-8 happened... Hahahaha.
>>16882451I'm excited for more desert exploration
>>16882452>Unmanned Mars landing for the 2026 end window, with a potential manned flyby.That's a couple of hundred Starship flights right there, what with development, orbital infrastructure build out, many many tankers and the Moon, Defense, Starlink side gigs.Right after the Easter launch, Elon better get cracking.
>>16882455>pro space Trump won AND he's friends with Elon>doge getting rid of the parasites>Jared on his way into NASA>Success after success for starship with kino coverage>new golden age for spaceflightand then it all just... fell apart.
>>16881953Wtf is a cancel? An incel that "can"?
>>16882399>How many Starship flightsAttempts: 4Success*: 2Recovery Booster: 1Recovery Starship: 0Starship to Orbit: 0Starship to Mars: 0*defined as neither Booster or Starship explode and a Starship suborbital splash down or better
>>16882479A person from Canceladus
>>16882452I'd like to hear how confident the tile engineers are
>>16882452I fell for his lies again...
zeitgeist of the previous thread
>>16882505lots of words to say nothing
>>16882505Wow fascinating, I'm glad computers are skyrocketing in price so that goydrones can plug-and-chug retarded prompts to retarded AI
>>16882505
>>16882515
OK OK OKrealistically, when the fuck are we getting orbital starship
>>168825252 weeks
2026 is starting out really slow
>>16882528Spectrum is the only interesting launch.
>>168825252027
>>16882517this may not be the future we want, but it is the future we need. >>16882525for you? never. you'll always find some way to deny reality in order to bitch about elon.
>>16882537>muskrat admits his cockship will never complete a single orbit around earthkek, how embarrassing.
That's why we test.
>>16882542you're embarrassing. get help
Digits and Starship will explode at pad in flight 12.
>>16882555singles and Flight 12 goes absolutely perfectly, even the heatshield stays completely intact
>>16882555delet this postNOW
WE ARE SO BACK
>>16882559Flight 12 on or after Eastern Orthodox Easter.
>>16882559and the worst part is that this isnt even an orbital launch. they're really rubbing salt in the wound.
>>16882555oh, the good times...
>>16882402>>16882403>>16882405Nice to see some care going into promoting space, for once.
>>16882565Is Astra still around? I can't imagine that anybody is entrusting their payloads to them anymore.
>>16882402the thumbnail made me think it was Clear on there...
WE DID IT!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fxaAENrZYw
30 flights in 2030
127 posts containing nothing but seethe and tired, unfunny memes about spacex. can we move on already?
>>16882574right after spacex moves to mars, or at least to the moon... or at least past LEO...
>>16882559Given this is the first vehicle testing with Raptor 3, there is a very high chance of an accident, or at least serious setbacks, before a launch can even be attempted. A lot of things have changed, including the GSE, its really a complete redesign of the rocket and its support systems, so timelines are out the window. April seems about right, and that's only if they hustle and have no major incidents.The nagging possibility of an accident looms large in 2026.
>>16882574>127 posts containing nothing but seetheI posted about Astra, you lying little bitch
>>16882583the names are meaningless, you hate all these companies. NASA, spacex, astra, ULA, etc are all interchangeable within the context of their single mission
>>16882586>you hate all these companiesodd projection. Why don't you take a break from the hobby, lil bro?
>>16882587>p-p-projectionmidwit
its obvious that there is something seriously wrong with starship, maybe multiple things. this is why we need an alternative. and orion on new glenn isnt it.
Well, well, well. I sure remember all those mocking Bezos orbit memes.
>>16882564orbit is overrated and pointless
>>16882588>u-u-ur a midwit abloo ablooretard
TRANSATMOSPHERIC ORBIT VEHICLES ARE VALID!
>>16882581>have no major incidentsCOPV go "BOOM!"
>>16882592
>tfw mepic related
>>16882586>you hate all these companiesNo? What kind of lame shitpost is this? 0/10 get better material
>>16882604you have never made a single post on /sfg/ that was positive
fuck you
>>16882574ironic shitposting is a way of coping for spacexstans when things do not go as planned. the other options would be crying and/or suicide.
>>16882610Missed you!
>>16882567https://x.com/Astra/status/2000573921025016231>Xenon thruster firing during pre-flight testing in our 3-chamber vacuum. (Sound on!). In recent weeks, more Astra spacecraft engines have been placed in orbit and are now supporting maneuverability for customer satellites around the globe.They're not making much noise right now, but they're still around, selling ion thrusters and working on Rocket 4. They're currently planning to get back to the launch pad sometime this summer.I'm thinking there's a good chance they'll actually outlive ULA.
>>16882612The series of Starship v2 debacles was filled with dark humor. People are legitimately pissed at the NET April and another wonky bird, while Elon is off doing everything except getting Starship in line.
And gets worse, because when SpaceX goes IPO all their experienced workers become instant stock option millionaires and they are -- gone. Retired, freelancing or working on their own start-ups.While Elon replaces them with H-1B vermin.
>>16882555It will happen after the IPO and the stock holders vote to greatly reduce funding to the starship project until it can be guaranteed the next launch will be a success in the later half of 2027
>>16882642>H-1B>SpaceX
>>16882665Even as desperate as he is for cash flow, Elon won't sell a controlling stake. Will be fun tho to find out how much he's already sold off to early investors.
spehs
>>16882680I love KiCad
>>16882555ALGORITHM WILLS IT!
https://x.com/michaelnicollsx/status/2006790372681220530>Starlink is beginning a significant reconfiguration of its satellite constellation focused on increasing space safety. We are lowering all @Starlink satellites orbiting at ~550 km to ~480 km (~4400 satellites) over the course of 2026. The shell lowering is being tightly coordinated with other operators, regulators, and USSPACECOM. >Lowering the satellites results in condensing Starlink orbits, and will increase space safety in several ways. As solar mininum approaches, atmospheric density decreases which means the ballistic decay time at any given altitude increases - lowering will mean a >80% reduction in ballistic decay time in solar minimum, or 4+ years reduced to a few months. Correspondingly, the number of debris objects and planned satellite constellations is significantly lower below 500 km, reducing the aggregate likelihood of collision. >Starlink satellites have extremely high reliability, with only 2 dead satellites in its fleet of over 9000 operational satellites. Nevertheless, if a satellite does fail on orbit, we want it to deorbit as quickly as possible. These actions will further improve the safety of the constellation, particularly with difficult to control risks such as uncoordinated maneuvers and launches by other satellite operators.
>>16882731>need to puff up your company's value before the IPO>artificially increase launch demand by making sure your satellites get more atmospheric drag and need replacing more often>claim that its for 'safety'i'm on to you felon....
>>16882731can someone explain this shit for the ignorant ones ITT? I don't get how solar mininum means they should LOWER sats instead of putting them higher?also, I love how twatter has been talking about muh kessler syndrome... and then, coincidentally, spacex comes up with this shit.>>16882749this kek
Phobos sample return mission is launching this year
>>16882758I'm most excited for Idefix
>>16882556That was a close one
>>16882731I think the real reason behind this is golden dome/starshield.
Copv and seethe
>>16882749>>16882754the whole point is that they want starlink to collapse into the atmosphere much faster in case something goes wrong. they want to reduce collateral damage and long term effects.
>>16882783Imagine watching the entire lower shell reenter at the same time, shit would look apocalyptic.
>>16882783>the whole point is that they want starlink to collapse into the atmosphere much faster in case something goessure, but why didn't they do so before? why would things go wrong when solar activity is REDUCED with higher possibility than right now that solar activity is at its highest point?
>>16882754solar minimum means thinner upper atmosphere as it receives less heat from the sun. thinner atmosphere means lower drag, so whatever are in orbit stay up there for longer.spacex are forfeiting the additional satellite lifespan for lower orbit. you can see it as an altruistic act of good space stewardship, or less charitably, either to lower the ping or because their satellites' designed lifespan is too short to take advantage of it.
What about the reentry of those Starlnk satellites that are delivered by Starship? Is there no danger that they could hit something on earth lethally? Or will it disintegrate enough?
>>16882790right, I had read aboutt the atmosphere thinning thing but I didn't think of it that way because of all the other bs they claimed as "good for space blah blah" distracted me.and, yeah, it's obviously very convenient for them to lower the altitude of starlink sats.
>>16882798the ping change is inconsequential.why can't you imagine that they're doing this for the reasons stated?
>>16882800because it doesn't make much sense? they claim it will reduce the right of having more pollution and shit. if that was the case, atmosphere thinning and less solar activity, would mean LESS risk. also, see >>16882793
>>16882801you are functionally illiterate.Atmospheric density will decrease.They want to maintain/decrease the decay time.Therefore, during minimums, they reduce altitude to reduce the decay time.fucking moron
>if a satellite does fail on orbit, we want it to deorbit as quickly as possible.you all can't fucking read Jesus Christ almighty the world is doomed.
>>16882801>pollution>>16882731 didn't mention pollution>see 16882793>What about the reentry of those Starlnk satellites that are delivered by Starship?What makes those different from the existing satellites delivered to orbit by F9?
Is SLS insulation flammable?
>>16882805yeah, but why would the probability of having a sat fail NOW be higher than before? why didn't they lower their orbits already?looks like you goys fell for the fake arguments while >>16882790 alreay gave the real reasons>to lower the ping or because their satellites' designed lifespan is too short to take advantage of it.
>>16882813the ping does NOT materially change. do the math yourself, you're on the goddamn math board.Again, I'm pretty sure you're actually functionally illiterate.Solar minimum is APPROACHING. you are retarded and should leave
it's ~0.2 ms
>>16882754less stuff coming from the sun and getting trapped in earths orbit and magnetic field etc. the VAB also weaken.>>16882787they arent saying theres more chance (i dont think), just that if anything did go wrong the resulting debris would deorbit much less quickly due to reduced drag.
fundamental distrust is a sign of schizophrenia
>>16882819thats a conspiracy
A STARLINK JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
>>16882819Guess I'm schizophrenic then
>>16882808>What makes those different from the existing satellites delivered to orbit by F9?They are bigger, so I guess they are more likely to survive reentry in big enough pieces.
>>16882821imagine if they didnt cuck us and we got to see all the satellites flying over head, the light reflecting off of them, like a giant grid in the sky
>>16882827we did, for a little bit, it was still only visible at certain times of day.
>>16882814lmao, do the math yourself, retard. you don't even need to do that, people already calculated it in that thread>Solar minimum is APPROACHING.yeah, so why didn't they do it while the solar maximum was approaching instead? kek>>16882815double that for round trip>>16882819roadsters with full self-driving and hyperloop are totally coming, bro. buy Tesla stock!
>>16882830retard schizo
/sfg/ really should die if this is the caliber of discussion possible. fucking trolls
>>16882811Apollo 1 type shit
>>16882602this but unironicallythe musk stans will be vindicated
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2006838802917240955
>>16882848What are Tesla and boring supposed to do
>>16882851tesla robots will assemble the boring TBMs on Mars of course
>>16882848Saving this to repost it next year.
>>16882851robotaxis and starting to dig quickly due to developing all the core ideas for their boring machines (the one thing that is left is still getting zero-people-in-tunnel, its down to a few people now)
>>16882848elon is all talk these days, and im tired of hearing from him
>>16882859its his job to talk. him being all talk is therefore a good thing
Remember that Roadster 2020 and the unmanned Starship 2020 lunar landing bros?
https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/2006628852693446733>SPACEX: The U.S. Space Force issued a request for information on December 29th, inviting commercial companies including SpaceX to develop and operate a new launch site at Space Launch Complex 14 (SLC-14) on the southern tip of Vandenberg Space Force Base.>This is an undeveloped area several kilometers from existing infrastructure with a nearby rail line 600 meters away. The site targets Heavy and/or Super Heavy launch vehicles capable of 20,000 to and exceeding 50,000 kilograms to low Earth orbit.>They are prioritizing providers with financial maturity, new vehicles lacking existing Vandenberg sites, unique capabilities like point-to-point transportation or payload return, and technical readiness for operations within five years of a lease. In other words, characteristics that of Starship.>Responses must detail safety measures to minimize impacts on other launches, with submissions due within 30 days.>Any lease requires safety analysis and environmental review. The initiative aims to enable larger military satellites, rapid response in emergencies, enhanced resilience, diversified portfolios, and faster constellation reconstitution, positioning SLC-14 as the most viable location for such large-scale programs.
>>16882870how about we not wipe out another piece of beautiful land and instead put a rocket pad right in the middle of a shithole like east los angeles
>>16882871is that implying west LA is not also a shithole?
>>16882872thats where the money and scenery is
>>16882871could lease the site to china and they could simply land their spent boosters on LA
>>16882871>beautiful land*Undeveloped land.Adding a giant spaceport has minimal affect on local ecosystems. Although that being said, I am not opposed to some (key word: SOME) regulation that stipulates responsible stewardship of the surrounding land and making sure you minimize off-site issues and making sure the land around you remains pristine and healthy
>>16882871>how about we not wipe out another piece of beautiful landIt's only Earth
>>16882870California state government impedes everything they can. Off base roads and utilities. Protests every step of the way. Constant range violations.Should be fun watching Elon fume on Twitter helplessly.
>>16882886It's within Vandenberg. The coastal committee will be told politely to go fuck themselves.
>>16882848We're so back.
https://x.com/michaelnicollsx/status/2006790372681220530>Starlink is beginning a significant reconfiguration of its satellite constellation focused on increasing space safety. We are lowering all Starlink satellites orbiting at ~550 km to ~480 km (~4400 satellites) over the course of 2026. The shell lowering is being tightly coordinated with other operators, regulators, and USSPACECOM. >Lowering the satellites results in condensing Starlink orbits, and will increase space safety in several ways. As solar mininum approaches, atmospheric density decreases which means the ballistic decay time at any given altitude increases - lowering will mean a >80% reduction in ballistic decay time in solar minimum, or 4+ years reduced to a few months. Correspondingly, the number of debris objects and planned satellite constellations is significantly lower below 500 km, reducing the aggregate likelihood of collision. >Starlink satellites have extremely high reliability, with only 2 dead satellites in its fleet of over 9000 operational satellites. Nevertheless, if a satellite does fail on orbit, we want it to deorbit as quickly as possible. These actions will further improve the safety of the constellation, particularly with difficult to control risks such as uncoordinated maneuvers and launches by other satellite operators.
>>16882909it's over 9000
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/2006898829350887882>Nebula-1 was planned to send to Haiyang LC at Jan & launch with splash-down recovery before Spring Festival (15 Feb). Unsure if they can make it since rumours say the company blow-up its engine test stand just few days ago. via CCTV
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/2006618824687370256>Much clearer version of Chinese rockets which plan to have maiden launch within 2026. Ceres-2 , TL-3 & LJ-2 are already at JSLC and National team usually keeps its timetable. Pallas-1 , ZH-1 & Nebula-1 have full rocket ready. I am guessing 9/13 are likely could make it.
>>16882914>all covers aligned take that BO
>>16882893On the base is pretty much off limits from state meddling. Around the base isn't. And the state is focused on giving Elon grief.Plus protests. Plus lawsuits in Federal courts. Plus Democrats putting the boot in when they retake Congress in November.
Starship is forgottenEra of SLS has begun
>>16882262I hear those things are awfully loud
>>16882288No they changed the name, it's called Anachronox now or something
https://x.com/launcher/status/2006096998395756803>Two E-2 development engines are fully assembled and undergoing test campaigns to validate reliability and service life. In parallel, our team is rolling out an upgraded design that is lighter, simpler, and incorporates thrust vector control. E-2 is ~75% 3D-printed by mass, produced in-house by our highly skilled manufacturing team. The highest performance LOX/kerosene engine in the small launch class is made in America Can I have Aerojet?No, we have Aerojet at home
>>16882781lel, i'm stealing that
wtf do we do now that spacex is dying
>>16883001Lurk more.
>>16883001>gay (pejorative) on RedditNature is healing
>>16883007it's r/redscarepod. a millenioid 4channeler retirement home. has very little to do with the site overall I'm afraid.
>>16883002Nah, best advice is for people to stay away from spaceflight, unless they love suffering, disappointment, and being edged for decades about a better future in Mars/Titan/Ceres/etc etc that is always 20 years away. I should've chosen trains as a kid instead, at least those kinds of autists always seem happy.
>>16883009They never get anything good either.
>>16883009Correct, spaceflight is just an occasional cock tease when an event is about to happen, but otherwise its all Gradatim Ferociter, and wait. The nature of the business is disappointment and fake promises, its why this general is just a tourist hotspot a few times a year then back into the grave to die. Its hard to really expect good news anymore, after Elon has been blowing smoke up our asses for so long and now pulled the rug
>>16882848>SpacxeX>snd>boring company>will beit's so over
>>16883009It won't happen as fast as Musk hopes for but I do think Mars landing is near.Next 10 years we will see a lot.
>>16883001>Stealing open source
>>16883009I'm just afraid we don't have the will to build the Moon Base (most important infrastructure of the 21st century)
NSFF members reviewing their 2025 predictions. Pretty bleak:Eric HedmanStarshipa. First upper stage catch attempt successfulb. A flight deploying Starlink satellites will happenc. First Florida launch be end of year.d. Refueling attempt succeeds by end of Q3Incorrect Too optimistic once againKnow that feeling bro.
As a SpaceX retail shareholder, I do not support the company wasting money on the fruitless starship program. continue F9 launches indefinitely, we already have the lead. no need for a bigger rocket, there is no demand. just print money with star link
>>16883195Too bad, you saw the charter
>>16882545>one of the largest accidental artificial non-nuclear explosions in historyThat always makes me laugh, just imagine what it must feel like to fuck up that badly.
>>16883205Was there an accidental nuclear explosion ever?
>>16883206Meltdowns wouldn't count as they don't really explode, right?
>>16883206only close calls and funny bloopers, as far as we know for sure (demon core, Castle Bravo)Tianjin 2015 was allegedly a chemical explosion but I doubt that because there were guys in NBC suits running around spraying stufff on random objects in the immediate aftermath and the site is still condemned, which is extremely odd for it being on a very busy stretch of industrial waterfront in fucking China where they usually give zero shits about pollution in the land and air
>>16883150Just land a starship on the moon and you have your base.Even better if they can cut an inside access to the the tanks and pressurize them with air.That would be an impressive amount of space.
>>16883231>justright after it gets to space
launch the data centers already
>>16882912!>>16883009trains is hard job
remember trains on the moon?
fuck space elevators. we need space rails.
hear me out guysspace rocketsyou heard it here first
Ideas for China (if you're browsing /sfg/)>propellent crossfeed>eliminate S2>nuclear thermal upper stage>dry mass similar to falcon heavy, Saturn V performance
space gains, make the gym real
what gauge will moontrains use
>>16883252I'll say it again: Mars-Earth hyperloop.>b-but the distance between planets is not constant!1!I don't care, make the rails super extensible, or made out of magic graphene or something idk
>>168832821435 mm
>>16883289ok, but how do you bore a hole through space??? wouldn't that take too much energy?
>>168832823000 mm Breitspurbahn
>>16883282>there'll be train heists on the moon like in the wild westkino
>>16883209what do you think the "C" in NBC stands for?
>>16883301according to the latest calculations, you would need a moderate amount of negative energy
https://x.com/spacepat_o/status/2007104987801772404>Hello world!!Neutron stage 1 tanks rolling out of the factory
>>16883320>the inevitable wumao rears its ugly hole. polluted air comes out of it, putrid farts approximating human speech>IT WAS A WAREHOUSE FULL OF NITRATE, IT EXPLODED AND THE EPICENTER WAS IN THE PARKING LOT NEXT TO THE WAREHOUSEpretty disgusting
If you can build data-centers on the Moon and launch it to space, it shouldn't be hard to build solar sails there. Also when you launch it from Moon you need to care less about folding.
>>16883327why giant ruler for?
>>168833304chan ate my pic
>>16883320Corporation
>>16883330>>16883333given that it's a typical nitrate-sized blast zone in an industrial waterfront zone i think i'll go with a nitrate explosion over an accidental nuclear fizzle
>>16883326>>16883327>>16883329this really was not a good ideareusable my ass. prove it lol
>>16883332>tandemloc WLL 60,000 lbhttps://www.tandemloc.com/lifting-rigging>Tandemloc offers Industry-leading rigging equipment like lifting spreader bars that are designed to enhance your rigging operations. Our high-quality lifting spreader bars, also known as lifting beams, offer exceptional strength and stability for a wide range of lifting and rigging applications. Engineered for precision and safety, these lifting solutions ensure efficient load distribution, making them essential tools for any heavy-duty lifting project.When it gets where it's going the crane is going to need something to grab onto
>>16883339that makes sense, thanks. figured they already knew how wide it was.
>>16883337there was no warehouse at the site of the alleged warehouse explosionsomeone did a widdle fucky-wucky while transporting something QUITE small and RATHER energeticnow you have a whole dollar from my two postsspend it wisely!
>>16883344https://x.com/spacepat_o/status/2007125399243763749>Crews have rigged the cranes to the hardwareActually happened way faster than I thought it would. I guess they don't need to wheel it cross country to the pressure testing location like SpaceX does
>>16883202Per Dodge vs Ford, space-X is breaking the law by failing to maximize the value of my shares.
>>16883329That's all they have???
>>16883366Overturn Dodge vs Ford.
https://x.com/spacepat_o/status/2007135335050772601>And the hardware has now been lifted vertical!
>>16883375>profit is subordinate to social goodthat would be literal nazi-ismcan't have that with a majority jewish congress, I'm afraid
>>16883379so when's it going to space? next week? 10 days?
>>16883379lol...
>>16883369This is the first stage tankage and thrust structure. We're seen the rest of the components elsewhere either whole or in pieces. >>16883382That'll depend on if this tank blows up during pressure testing.
>>16883380If only there were some final solution to this problem
>>16883384
>>16883386this shit will go into orbit before starshit lmao
>>16883390>minority opinion within Skynet reaching back through time to warn uspretty cool desu
>>16883386isn't neutron bit of a meme rocket? what's the deal with this one? do they have any contracts lined up?
can we retire these threads for 3 months since nothing is happening?
I love how "nothing happens" when nothing related to Musk happens. it's as if shills don't like when other companies advance.
>>16883436Five. You know that April Starship launch is slipping to at least May.
>>16883442>when other companies advanceYou disingenuous piece of garbage. The only advances in spaceflight in the last two decades have been either from SpaceX or other companies advancing by copying SpaceX.
>>16883465>May is now five months from JanuarySmarch bros stay winning
There is a non zero chance that an asteroid will hit pad 2 and destroy it.
>>16883479There is a non zero chance an asteroid is hitting your mom right now (sexual style)
>>16883469yeah I really loved the advances in orbitless rocket mid flight explosion technology! Elon Spacex truly ahead of the game
elon musk built this on a beach, with a box of mexicans
since low earth orbit is so close, can't we just use a light gas gun instead of a rocket?
>>16883508sure canjust... everything inside needs to withstand a bit of acceleration
>>16883482but the booster catch was awesome!
>>16883508
>>16883521>/u/ - Yuribased, this is the year of the rocket lezzing
>>16883252zubrin's transorbital railroad
>>16883521
>>16882731The fact that SpaceX can move thousands of sats on command is a monumental feat of strength. Even moving 1 is a rare thing but thousands upon thousands on command in synchronicity is mind boggling. >2 dead from 9000They prob dont count the "failures" that were due to things beyond their control like solar storm right? Or was that just deorbited out of caution?
>>16883520It always bothered me, we couldn't at least enjoy the booster catch for a few minutes before the stream went to shit. Couldn't the ship have waited just a little bit before exploding. A booster catch is indeed amazing on its own but nobody remembers that one
>>16883536The storm fatalities have to have all decayed out of orbit by now; none of them had the chance to boost up to an operational altitude before they all got fried. These two are probably more recent mechanical failure in slightly more persistent orbits
here's an idea: spinlaunch, but from towers on top of mountains. you save a little bit of energy from the lowered atmospheric drag and reduced gravity.
>>16883554I'm still pissed 8 years later that the center core didn't land successfully during the Falcon Heavy maiden launch. Damn, ruined the whole thing for me. Everything had to be perfect that day, and we could've had a triple landing, it felt like watching a penalty shoot-out. Also, take into account that MILLIONS of normies were watching it live, and there were lots of reactions/compilations/documentaries out of it... But as for that Starship launch, by that time everyone already got used to the fiery explosions so it wasn't that big of a deal for me, and the Turks & Caicos kino that ensued was okay.
>>16883571It might surprise you to know that mountains are actually not that close to space, but are really far away from production centers.
>>16883482it's beautiful
>>16883209Very interesting conspiracy theory.Yeah why would that site still be deserted?Also what's up with all the blue colored shit on the ground?
>>16883571apparently an 'eccentric californian billionaire' is working on such an idea
>>16883573look on the bright side, reusing the center booster is a massive performance loss
>>16883614How can one man be so based? Imagine all the lefty seethe over the first astronaut president. Hell, he doesn't even have to do it, just the idea will make them lose their minds.
>>16883614LMAO that would be so funny to see him on the ISS but I doubt his health would allow it.
>>16883614paint his sheppy gold
>>16883599The fact that it's still low enough in the atmosphere when it lights its engine to get useful authority control from deploying fins is pretty sad
>>16883576I know, it's 2-4km vs hundreds. still good.>>16883599I read that spinlaunch is already launching from mountains...
>>16883622Eh, it might work. John Glenn was 77 on STS-95 and he looked a lot flimsier then than Trump does now. Larry Connor was 72 on AX-1, and Donald Pettit came back on Soyuz MS-26 on his 70th birthday. It's still a dumb idea, but it's not physically impossible.
>>16883642>dumb ideathe headline is fake
>>16883614I'm not totally against the idea beyond it's pure vanity, but instead of an old man who might not survive the journey, they should send Vance who is young and fit.
>>16883009We've had a great few years. Probably a great few years ahead. Zoom out. One day spaceflight enjoyers will say >I wish I lived back in [right now]. Imagine watching the first double landing, the first tower catch. Messaging the founder himself on his website before he died from a ket overdose
https://x.com/xdNiBoR/status/2007235101097406590>Starlink showed a render of the new dedicated Direct to Cell satellite. It will support thousands of beams and have a capacity 100x that of the V1 constellation. You will be able to watch movies and make video calls when connected to one of these
https://x.com/xdNiBoR/status/2007169610592760241https://starlink.com/public-files/starlinkProgressReport_2025.pdf>Starlink had an amazing year in 2025, and 2026 is looking to be even crazier. They added 38 new regions, doubled their active customers, added 270 Tbps of capacity and reached other milestones like completing the V1 of the D2C network. 2 days ago, they released their annual "Starlink Progress Report". This 75 page long PDF contains a lot of information, and is super interesting to read. Here is a thread that summarizes everything:>The Starlink progress report starts of with some impressive numbers. They added a total of 38 new countries (a new record), and DOUBLED their active customer count in 2025!>Starlink notes that it has launched more than 300 dedicated Falcon 9 flights and that 3.2 billion people have access to Starlink. It has served over 21 million airline passengers and over 20 million cruise passengers. The airline aspect of Starlink has received a lot of attention recently, with more carriers adopting it, yet the cruise segment remains relatively unknown by most people.>Next, Starlink talks about the increase in Falcon launch rate. in 2025, SpaceX launched more than 120 dedicated Starlink mission. In total, they added more than 270 Tbps of capacity.>In 2025, Starlink more than doubled their community gateway sites. They added 13 new sites, now totaling 20 in 9 countries. >Starlink also talks about the natural disasters where they helped restore connectivity. In Jamaica and the Bahamas, they gave free service to 21,000 accounts, and enabled over 1.1 million SMS messages using the DTC network. Starlink has a huge positive impact on students and healthcare all over the world; 85 schools in Ghana, 200 schools in The Bahamas, 600 Health Clinics in Zambia>Companies like 1 Nine Industries use Starlink for off-road racing at speeds of up to 240 kph. Bryan Moore and drivemedia even sell brackets for use on helicopters!
>>16883688>Aviation! In 2025, Starlink quadrupled the number of Starlink installs on commercial aircrafts, reaching 1,400 installs in 1 year. They also installed Starlink on 800 business jets, where they now serve more than 50% of all active planes. Starlink is now connecting 150,000 vessels, and they even have a Community Gateway on Royal Caribbean's Star of the sea. Of course Starlink also works in space, supporting the Fram2 mission and all Starship flights.>Starlink shares some numbers on DTC: It has connected more than 12 million people, with 6 million customers relying on Starlink DTC monthly. DTC has also started providing data, now supporting more than 30 apps.>Starlink also talked about the new 'Mini Laser' for third party satellite busses.>Starlink has massively increased its download and upload speeds. They can achieve these speeds partially because they own the largest satellite ground network ever.>Starlink also had many other improvements like beam switching, app updates and using Grok for support.>Next, Starlink talks about manufacturing. Starlink claims they now have production capacity of 170,000 Starlink each week across the US. (Hawthorne and Bastrop). The Washington facilities, where they produce the satellites, aviation hardware and community gateways, have also grown significantly. In 2026, Starlink will again double their production capacity at Bastrop.>Starlink also shared a lot of information about their approach to safety. A V2 Mini reentry currently has a 1 in 100 million risk of human casualty.>To end, the report talks about the future of Starlink with Starship. Each Starship launch is projected to add 60 Tbps of capacity to the network. This is 20x more than each launch right now. And lastly, Starlink is hinting towards satellites that are specifically build for DTC only.
>>16883326>>16883327>>16883329>held together with tapeSloppy job...
>>16883688>>16883689tldr lol
>>16883695starlink has a huge first mover advantage and has fully entered the "money printer" stage
>>168832821524 mm
>>16883688>>16883689>>16883697so you are saying they are shilling starlink for the spacex IPO.they could make starlink a separate company, but they won't. why?
>>16883701Neither of those anons but the answer is that the Starship program is burning money like a wildfire and E basically maxxed out all the private investment he is ever gonna get
>>16883702can't he pass some money from Tesla to Spacex? or transfer shares, and then sell them?
>>16883614This either kills the orange man, or BTFO's astronaut physical requirements forever
>>16883707The Bezos way of running a space program? Unsustainable, my friend
>>16883709>The Bezos way of running a space program? Unsustainable, my friendis it, really?
>>16883697Starlink, which has spent untold billions to date, has a worldwide subscribers total equal to the ISP franchise in one somewhat large city. Another ticking time bomb in Elon's Empire.
>>16883689Slight problem. Starship doesn't work.
>>16883701Did the capcha change drive off everyone who wasn't operating with sub-Saharan IQ? No one is saying that. They're summarizing Starlink's growth over the last 12 months, just like they do every January. If anything, this is a strong analysis of why SpaceX is currently cashflow positive, despite spending so much on Starship.
>>16883718>SpaceX is currently cashflow positiveWait for the IPO prospectus that will show they are not. If they were, Elon would not be selling off equity.
>>16883714to be fair, they've also lowered prices multiple times. why? I have no clue, they could have kept relatively high prices and still would have got customers, as long as the service worked.but maybe they needed to raise those numbers.>>16883718what the fuck is your problem, you fucking faggot? are you mad that other people aren't sucking Elons dick 24/7 like you?
>>16883724Telecom is a very competitive and highly regulated industry. And Starlnk is designed to degrade and require frequent sat replacement. Where ATT can put up a cell tower and it works for 10 years. They're going to have to fight for every subscriber under a questionable cost structure.
The vibes were so good back when Bob and Doug launched. Hopium was at an all-time high, and dunking on oldspace felt so novel and hilarious. Times feel so bleak now idk why
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1zqKVdlVyaYJBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_0BDH2QK7MLaunch time, T-10:00
less than ten minutes until the first launch of the year, a Falcon 9 launching an Italian observation sat out of Vandy
That Italian guy's accent was so thick
the 2026 spacex bar graph begins
>>16883744Some people get comfort from dooming. Having some hope and optimism also has a risk that things might not work out, and these emotional safety blanket creatures are nothing if not cowardly. They only feel emotionally secure if they're constantly reminded that everything is always over and ruined. They'll react with violent hostility if you insist that anything good could ever happen. Other people just off on being retarded. Somehow, we've accumulated a lot of both types lately.
first spacesex launch of 2026!!!!
They already missed a day
>>16883595https://dialogue.earth/en/pollution/9188-back-to-the-blast-zone-one-year-after-the-tianjin-explosion/is quite revealing>To the north of the crater soil has been loaded into white bags and piled up high, then covered with green plastic sheets.because obviously that's what you do when a site is contaminated with cyanide from a nitrate explosionare you conffused yet?they also mention that a China First Heavy Industries research centre situated 1.5 km from the blast was heavily damagedone does wonder what they were researching there, but given that CFHI manufactures heavy nuclear equipment such as COPVs and casings for high pressure pumps I think I can take a wild guess
>>16883761If there was anything nuclear related to the Tainjin explosion it would kicked out enough radioactive material that researchers in other countries would have detected it. We didn't have any trouble picking out the trace radioactive backwash from Fukushima, spotting something spit out by an explosion on this scale would have been easy. It's a fun theory but there's more hard evidence for the existence of Michelle Obama's penis.
>>16883739I assume they can only be saved by appealing to (scamming) transport (shipping, airlines, ...) companies. but I guess that strategy didn't work in the past, otherwise they'd have a lot if not all those companies as customers already? or are they selling the bullshit "exclusive" service?
>>16883744It's bleak because as much old space deserves to be clowned on, I don't think anyone envisioned how bad things where gonna be.>Boeing can't get a capsule up>Northrop can't make SRBs>ULA fumbled so bad on reuse and is worth 1/100 of SpaceX optimisticallyYou figure these companies would at least be competent enough to deliver on what they do have and be a pressure release for the grueling SpaceX work culture.
>>16883739>Telecom is a very competitive and highly regulated industry.Who the fuck are you fooling?Everywhere in the US there is always a dominant player, In cell it's because they bought up all the spectrum or for fixed internet there are deals with municipalities for utility and right of way access that heavily favors one company.
https://x.com/TheShipWatch_1/status/2007277598460784805>Compeltely visible from Queen Creek, AZ! Hands down best Vandy launch ever that i’ve seen.
https://x.com/FranciscoOs71/status/2007277176299892932>I can confirm visibility from Mazatlan, Mexico. A beautiful launch!
https://x.com/LudaCrips422/status/2007276293579256151>I can see Falcon 9 from Wyoming. How can my machine shop make parts for space x? I want to contribute to this.
fabulous view from New Mexico.
>>16883766Each airplane or ship is one or two receivers and one subscription. Just a few thousands of potential customers. Hard to build an empire in that.
>>16883779https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/starlink-closes-in-on-saudia-airlines-in-flight-wifi-contract-report/>It was reported at launch that SpaceX priced the service at between $12,500 and $25,000 a month, while there was also a one-time hardware charge of $150,000. Bloomberg notes that airline carriers can pay anywhere between $300,000 and $500,000 for upfront hardware costs to provide WiFi services. On top of this, there's a monthly fee for each seat.https://payloadspace.com/the-airline-industry-is-moving-to-free-wi-fi-and-starlink/>The lost revenue by not making customers pay for Wi-FI and the roughly $25,000 per month Starlink charges for the service will likely end up showing in ticket prices. Although the pass-through price would likely be minimal, and the benefits of fast internet are a win-win for all parties. >Retrofitting a fleet to support Starlink terminals is expensive and has contributed to slow adoption among airlines. Starlink charges $150,000 per aviation terminal installation. The company is working to get installation time down to under one day. You know, it's the easiest thing in the world to not be retarded. Easiest bar in the world to clear, and you still manage to limbo under it.
>>16883775based
https://x.com/konstructivizm/status/2007181602284257381>Watch the rollout and installation of the powerful Proton-M rocket at Baikonur Cosmodrome.
>>16883783Erm, 1435 mm gaugesisters, our response??
oh no a proton. what will go wrong?
>>16882207>>16882210>>16882223Jesus christI knew this shit was happening but this was the narrowest and most specific version of this rabbit hole I've ever seenI'm both horrified and vaguely fantasizing about making a thunderf00t channel where he fellates Musk 24/7 and botting it to more subs than the real channel
>>16883781SpaceX is making a pretty penny off this if the average 737 is pulling 22,000 seat flights a month. They probably charge less for long haul airliners like the 777 and 787 that fly fewer trips per day.
>>16882561>>16882559>>16882556>>16882555Holy fuck it's scheduled for January 26th right now
>>16883339>Fits standard 40" containerWe're gonna see Neutron launch platforms hidden in the middle of a stack of shipping containers aren't we. >>16883333>>16883333
>>16883765>y-you can't prove it! you can't prove any of it!ah yes, the typical reaction of an innocent man>We didn't have any trouble picking out the trace radioactive backwash from Fukushimathat was a lot of crap being released, reactors are much bigger than bombs>on this scaleon what scale? The second explosion was estimated at 40 tons of TNT equivalent by sources outside China, while some chinese seismology institute claimed it was only 4 (absurdly small, but hey, many things are over there)>hard evidence for the existence of Michelle Obama's penisoh ho ho hoa wumao with a sense of humor
Mikee go away
>>16883799The amount of radioactive material that was released from Fukushima would have been a lot less than a sooper secret Chinese radioisotope workshop that got vaporized in Tianjin. We detected radioactivity from Fukushima. We didn't detect anything from Tianjin. It's more likely that the CFHI shop was just working on pumps and high pressure casings, which you'd expect from a shop in an industrial area. You could "take a wild guess" that they were working on something radioactive, but you'd be wrong because there's no evidence for that. You can keep emotionally investing in this if you want, but the people who do that usually invest in other things that are a lot harder to disprove. If you're interested, there's a geomagnetic reversal doomsday thread going on right now that might be more up your alley.
https://x.com/booster_10/status/2007291927620948425>Seeing the ice float away off the engine bell after SECO really scratched an itch in my brain lol.
>>16883571What if you just made a big tube to space, the vacuum of space will pull any payload up to space from ground level like a big straw. You can prevent atmosphere loss by capping the big tube when you're not sending shit into space.
>>16883614>American President visits spaceThat would be an incredibly huge milestone.
>>16883779https://www.iata.org/en/publications/economics/reports/the-global-commercial-aircraft-fleet/says>The global commercial fleet comprises 35,550 aircraft, including 30,300 active units and 5,250 held in storage as of June 2025.so about 35k commercial planes. also>If deliveries had continued at their pre-covid pace, the global fleet would have been significantly larger today. Based on historical delivery trends (the average growth rate over the 2010-18 period), the industry would have expected roughly 16,004 new aircraft to enter service between 2019 and 2026. Instead, the cumulative deliveries over this period are likely to be limited to 10,720 aircraft, and thus short by approximately 5,284 units –a substantial supply gap.so, let's assume 40k planes at, say, $1k/mo each. that's $400k/mo... not really much.>>16883781>>It was reported at launch that SpaceX priced the service at between $12,500 and $25,000 a month>>there was also a one-time hardware charge of $150,000>>roughly $25,000 per month Starlink charges for the service>>Starlink charges $150,000 per aviation terminal installationLMAO, I knew they could, and would, charge a lot more than that.now, with those numbers, let's assume ALL planes offer their service. they'd have:· 40k active planes, 16k new planes every year-> $6m for the current fleet and $2.4m/yr to install devices· $25k/mo-> $1m/mo for service = $12m/yrso, an income of about $15m a year. that's not a lot either (is it?), but it sure is a nice [math]{\raise{1ex}{\underline{\smash{\raise{-1ex}{scam}}}}}[/math] premium!
>>16883812it would be more mass-efficient to send his ashes to space
>>16883813>now, with those numbers, let's assume ALL planes offer their service. they'd have:$875 million a month. You suck at math.
>>16883813You're assuming an insane 100% fleet adoption rate of Starlink while also undershooting the final number by a factor of a thousand because you probably had chatgpt do your math. You also seem to believe that charging for providing a service is a scam. Strange combo there, anon.
>>16883816>>16883818oh fuck, I missed a k in all my calculations and also got one totally wrong lmao. guess it's time to go to sleep...it would be about $1b/mo for service and $2.4b/yr for new installs, and $6b the current fleetso about $6b + $15b/yr if every single commercial plane had starlink right now.>You're assuming an insane 100% fleet adoption rate of Starlinkit was so I could show the potential numbers, not realistic numbers. but I guess it's useless when I did all the math wrongly.anyway, that's how much they could extract from airlines. what about other markets?
>>16883818>You also seem to believe that charging for providing a service is a scam.charging $25k/mo for mobile internet service for a plane just because there are no other competitors doesn't look like a scam to you? how much would you pay for a couple of hours of internet connection in a plane?
just looked at jupiter though my binoculars for the first time. fuck me the moons are right there. no wonder galileo discovered them seconds after discovering the telescope.
>>16883836>what about other markets?Besides the fact that their regular consumer base is growing at an exponential rate, they'll also be getting piles of money from the US government for live video/sigint of the entire Earth and deleting the whole concept of stealth aircraft for everyone who isn't America.
>>16883839As the other anon said, if the average 737 is doing 22,000 seat flights a month then it's a little over a dollar per. Also there ARE competitors, and they charge more money for vastly shittier service. You're just kinda stupid aren't you?
>>16883839The thing is there are competitors, not even talking about Amazon either.On plane WIFI has been around for a long time but it's using geostationary sats with high latency and is slow generally.IDK how much SpaceX is charging versus a traditional geostationary service as deals like this are on a company by company basis but the fact fleets are moving must mean it's a better deal, the service is superior or even both.
>>16883815But that's boring, they did that with Gene Roddenberry and it was lame.
>>16883811
>>16883209Radioactive contamination is near impossible to cover up with how sensitive even cheap detectors are.
>>16883840correct
https://x.com/xdNiBoR/status/2007169610592760241?s=20
>>16883718replying to every EDS retard post (looks like half of the posts these days) here is boringI've also noticed that there is less posting during the weekend, so that is probably the case for the holidays as well, people have other shit to do it seems
>>16883951>75 page report about starlink in 2025pass
>>16883724because the price elasticity of demand, shouldn't it be obvious?the more sats they launch, the more capacity they have and when demand at a certain price is saturated, they lower the price to get more customersthis way they expand from rural to suburban slowly and can start competing with some slow wired servicesand with real scale maybe they can do that in towns as well, leaving fiber only for bigger cities if the infrastructure cost vs performance of the starlink constellation gets cheaper compared to fiber (i.e. some town or small city that is remote)
>>16883744what do you mean bleak? starship v3 is about to actually start doing real shit soonpeople here are so retarded
I love all the spaceflight talk ITTesp. the LEO sat "space""flight" stuff
>>16883805>Chinese radioisotope workshop oh my, mr wumaowhat an overactive imagination you haveradioisotope workshop? in a parking lot? not very credible>We didn't detect anything from Tianjinwho's we? you and your buddies doing regular sniffer plane runs over the Bohai sea?
>there are planets that share atmospheres with their moonswould it even be considered spaceflight if you were transiting between them?
>>16883975It's difficult to imagine an atmosphere dense enough to have any practical purpose, the system wouldn't last long.Aside that it should be considered flight at extreme altitude.
reusable orion launching on new glenn
>>16883711Yes, it really is
>>16884025Orion isn’t reusable, despite Lockheed and NASA trying to pretend that it is
>>16883521This is fake, Musk would use Tomorrow
>>16884032i'll settle for it being merely usable
>These satellites are mostly made of aluminum, which turns into aluminum oxide when burned at high temperatures, such as those experienced by satellites hurtling through Earth's atmosphere at orbital speeds. This aluminum ash accumulating at high altitudes worries scientists because of its potential to damage Earth's protective ozone layer and alter its albedo — the ability to reflect sunlight — which could result in changes in the temperature of the upper atmosphere.>because satellites burn up at altitudes between 37 miles and 50 miles (60 to 80 kilometers), the air pollution their incineration produces will remain in the air for decades, maybe centuries
>>16884047>Schizophrenic murderer posting>>/g/
>>16884037This isn’t even promised lol
>>16884047Nah fuck off uncle Ted. Love you buddy, but you’re kind of a retarded luddite and your vision is incompatible with expansion to the Stars.Unfounded schizo speculation + we already created (and subsequently fixed) the ozone hole in the past; we can do it again if it’s really that big of a problem.
>>16883962The first v3 Booster exploded getting its COPV filled with inert gas. It exploded without anything actually explosive aboard.It's over.
>>16883957So, post whatever you want Elon simp. Because you sure won't be posting about Elon going to Mars, the Moon or even orbit this year.
"Hey Hey!"
>>16884058in that case it simply burst. thats not an explosion.
>>16884062thats insane
would builidng a spaceport in Venezuela be worth it?
>>16884066no cuz it would just be the same as florida, except too remote. it would just end up being a hassle.
>>16884063"That boom doesn't count!"Okay. Sure.Speaking of which, about 2/3 thru this week's Marcus House Party, there's a look at the COPV. Appears a batch got pulled and scrapped, and additional testing is being done. Which is the opposite of what happens when your manufacturing and supply line is working well.
>>16884075the bursting shall continue until moral improves
>>16884064
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115830428767897167>The United States of America has successfully carried out a large scale strike against Venezuela and its leader, President Nicolas Maduro, who has been, along with his wife, captured and flown out of the Country. This operation was done in conjunction with U.S. Law Enforcement. Details to follow. There will be a News Conference today at 11 A.M., at Mar-a-Lago. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMPUPDATE THE MAP
>>16884089The US plans to capture a vast equatorial launch site adjacent to the oil and gas fields of the country formerly known as Venezuela.Last night, the US earned that. I suggest the new administration sign the goddamn accords, asap. Also looking for 51st state candidates, that could solve a lot of their problems right there
>>16884091We blackbagged Maduro for cocaine trafficking (and for not having a ATF tax stamp for his machine guns, lol). All it takes is a similar charge against the government in Nicaragua and China loses a whole third of its proposed DSN tripod. South Africa might be on the menu too, although Egypt seems pretty stable at the moment. If the current protests in Iran come to anything there's even the chance that their replacement government signs on with the Artemis Accords. Never let them tell you that things never happen.
>>16884091that is pretty prime launch real estate damnmight be worth more than the oil at some point
>>16884093>and for not having a ATF tax stamp for his machine guns, lolI wasn't aware that other countries were beholden to US law. On the other hand, the equator looks comfy and I'd move down there if we simple annexed the place and made it a new American colony.
>>16881920MALAYSIA STRONG
>>16884121Let’s glass Somalia next and install a cosmodrome over the torched plane
>>16884089There's no I in undeclared.
>>16884120https://x.com/AGPamBondi/status/2007428087143686611>Nicolas Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, have been indicted in the Southern District of New York. Nicolas Maduro has been charged with Narco-Terrorism Conspiracy, Cocaine Importation Conspiracy, Possession of Machineguns and Destructive Devices, and Conspiracy to Possess Machineguns and Destructive Devices against the United States. They will soon face the full wrath of American justice on American soil in American courts. On behalf of the entire U.S. DOJ, I would like to thank President Trump for having the courage to demand accountability on behalf of the American People, and a huge thank you to our brave military who conducted the incredible and highly successful mission to capture these two alleged international narco traffickers.
>>16884125It’s between the c and the a, are you dumb?
>>16884127Oh, shit, yeah. You're right. My bad.I must be borderline illiterate.
>>16884131Wouldn't it to make sense to launch data-centers from the poles? Assuming you want them in SSO.
>>16884134yeah I guess
>>16884131The real advantage of launching from a turd world country is you can stomp on the locals and shut them up, ship them out. Theyre used to it.The infinite energy supply is handy for launching too, but the extermination of karens and dumb liberal policies before they exist is huge. The jungle bunnies wont bitch about starships screaming in with a tremendous boom 100X a daySadly most of that energy is going to power AI slop, directly at first but should evolve to power launches of solar/AI capacity instead
>>16884091>>16884118So what you're saying is that the Space Venezuelan Empire from CoD: Ghosts wasn't that far fetched after all.
>>16884165>Space Venezuelan Empire from CoD: Ghostswhat the actual fuck?
>>16884121Why did I think the equator was much higher than that? There's basically fuck all in the southern hemisphere.
>>16884212if you ignore Indonesia the southern hemisphere only has like 2% of the world's population.
>>16884214This is like when I found out that the Amazons came from greek mythology and not the Amazon Rainforest.
>>16884165nigga are you enticing me to play a modern CoD game? because you have my curiosity
>>16884212its like the reverse of mars, if mars had water that is
>>16884227Oh yeah, you're right.
>>16883714>Starlink, which has spent untold billions to date, has a worldwide subscribers total equal to the ISP franchise in one somewhat large city.Starlink now has over 9 million subscribers; the whole of New York City doesn't even have 4 million households.
>>16884211>>16884224https://youtu.be/qWKh4S-MKWk
>>16884227It is said: the South will rise again
1 HOUR OF KINOPLANET SOVLTENT JUST DROPPEDhttps://youtu.be/ejg7fAbmlf4
>>16884227Most of the time, the universe is cringe, but this is one time it was kino.
land based fiber infrastructure is insanely expensiveTheres a reason the government has always subsidized it
>>16884032>>16884037>>16884053reminder that the orion life support systems - and parts of the thermal management systems - have not been tested in space yet, and will be validated with the first crewed flight
>>16884286Thats fine; my complaint isn’t with the untested launch escape system, or life support, the power-glitched PDU, or the heat shield issue. I know /sfg/ likes to clown about these things—but I trust Lockheed to build a survivable ship way more than someone like Boeing with shitliner.My specific complaint is that Orion is, supposedly, “reusable”… but nasa has ZERO intent on reusing an Orion capsule. They keep sending work orders to Lockheed for more brand new capsules. Even the speculated Artemis flights have each been upgraded to new orion capsules should the missions be greenlit. It’s just a jobs program through and through. These things are expensive as fuck, reuse them
>>16884247Because there no such thing as intent at business, publicly spaces... I shall insist those don't exist.
>>16884286weeks in a thermal vacuum chamber is fine. shut up.
https://boneandjoint.org.uk/Article/10.1302/2046-3758.1410.BJR-2025-0092.R1Development of a new treatment for osteoporotic vertebral fractures using adipose-derived stem cell spheroidsResultsThe osteogenic spheroid group showed significantly higher bone mass, fusion score, and mechanical strength than the control group did. Histological analysis revealed enhanced new bone formation and β-tricalcium phosphate integration. Gene expression analysis revealed osteogenic marker (alkaline phosphatase (ALP), osteocalcin (OCN), and runt-related transcription factor 2 (Runx2)) and regenerative factor (bone morphogenetic protein 7 (BMP-7), insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1), hepatocyte growth factor 1 (HGF-1), and octamer-binding transcription factor4 (Oct4) upregulation, along with reduced apoptosis. Further, adipose-derived stem cell survival was confirmed at the repair site. These results indicate that adipose-derived stem cells contribute to both paracrine and direct osteogenesis.ConclusionCombining osteogenic adipose-derived stem cell spheroids with β-tricalcium phosphate scaffolds effectively promotes vertebral bone regeneration in osteoporotic vertebral fracture. This approach is a promising strategy for improving osteoporotic fracture repair with potential clinical applications.
>>16884341Will this help with Martian bone loss?
>>16882811>the roof, the roof, the roof is on firePls tell me this is a deepfake. Pls!! :/
>>16884343turn off your trip fella this is /sfg/
>>16884343a lot of people died
>>16884346why did they do that? are they stupid?
>>16884379yes
>>16884120The FAA is a strictly American agency, yet its reach extends across the globe, arguably eclipsing ICAO.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2007604457828163911
>>16884402cool, it will now be able carry 2 (TWO!) bananas into the indian ocean
>>16884407King Louie's gonna be pissed.
>>16884402>Starship 4I thought 3 was gonna be the design doing all of the Starlink/Artemis/Mars shit
>>16884452the masculine urge to keep stretching the Saturn V's tanks until you reach the VAB's roof, then start planning to raise the roof
https://x.com/spacepat_o/status/2007491848051245378>After 24+ hours, the hardware is still upright and attached to the crane. It appears to have been rotated. Work is continuing at its base.
>>16884463please, don't tell me this thing is going into orbit before starship, i can't take any more disappointments...
https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/2007667338234015960>There's a new T-0 for the Starlink 6-88 mission. SpaceX is now targeting liftoff of its Falcon 9 rocket from pad 40 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station at 12:44 a.m. EST (0544 UTC). Our live coverage begins an hour prior to liftoff:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKXCWfEz2xc
TOTAL DOMINATION
>>16884494we need less launchers, more payloads and people in space
>>16884494now post expected bankruptcies
>>16884501All the grift is in rockets. No one actually wants to put things into space.
>space command was among the first combatant commands to attack venezuelawhat did they do though?
>>16884508Participation trophy for the branch Trump created
>>16884509space command isnt the space force
>>16884511Space command was long before your day zoomer
>>16883789do it faggot
>>16884474successful maiden landing for this new booster after several delays
>>16884508Took pictures
>>16884508most likely disrupted satellite signals using jamming or cyber attacks. Venezuela may not have government satellites but they probably had access to third party ones.
>>16884508>he doesn't know what each of these patches representsAmerica has incredible spectrum warfare capabilities, that's all im going to say
New Airplane!Clear sona
Did ChatGPT missed any interplanetary mission?
>>16884463Neutron off to Mars in 2026!Didn't they pitch a Mars Sample Return fetch?
>>16884525My boomer dad still calls the TV remote “the clicker”
>>16884659>soiencenot spaceflight
>>16884707We are on a science board, deal with it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq_PmnL_WJw
>>16884707kek, upvoted
anti trump leftists killed some space force couple's cat, smashed up their car, and burned down their house>Alongside the fire, Mills' vehicle was ransacked and defaced with profanity-laden messages including 'Fuck Trump' and 'Fuck you space man.'https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15430581/Space-Force-member-home-arson-fire-car.htmlof course the space force reddit downvotes it and says its staged
>>16884723shame they didn't find conveniently placed bullets with engravings too
>>16884723looks staged. the photo is copyrighted by gofundme. so, how much did this scam fetch so far... lets see there is insurance fraud and the social media donations, plus they probably get their own law to protect them.because the camo theme isnt working, how about an invisibility cloak, or at least a vacuum rated spacesuit. that uniform hasnt been cool since the jungles of Vietnam.The story stinks of Jussie Smollett vibesis there a source that isnt from a UK tabloid
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2007845976204296665
>>1688475410,000 (TEN THOUSAND!) bananas into the ocean!!!1
>>16884754Grok, is Elon lying?He sure is! Around 1,500 to 2,000 large commercial jets (wide-body and large narrow-body) are built annually by major manufacturers like Airbus and Boeing, Elon is claiming to build 5 or more times as many each year out of two small production sites.Elon is going to jail for investor fraud for the rest of his life.
>>16884754this shit gets less realistic by the day.why would they need 10,000 per year if they plan on getting almost all of them back? of course the permanently outbound ships (rare) will need to be replaced but the majority of flights are tankers that come back to be reused, and the boosters never really leave Earth at all. this sounds like a hard pivot to "okay okay the upper stage IS single use". which is fine with me, because they could be so much simpler and lighter, with capacity that really gets missions accomplished. right now fucking nothing is getting done, and its time for second stage reusability to take a back seat and prioritize what fucking matters now
>>16884735>>16884741Gb2r
>>16884762Single use Starship means no reentry, which means no Mars. Which means no solar system wide exploration and colonization. Also throws a giant spanner in the numbers for every other SpaceX project. They only pencil out if you assume reuse.
>>16884762A full scale colonization of Mars (if you believe it) implies those kind of numbers.For now it's just Muskspeak to say "we are building a lot of them", how many we'll see.
>>16884776The capability of Starbase manufacturing will never reach 1000 per year, let alone 10,000. To claim such a thing is complete fiction. The new gigabay will only have 24 workstations, even at peak manufacturing efficiency they are falling short
>>16884760>>16884762maybe he just means the factory can in theory produce 10k a year, but most likely wont even get near that number
>>16884801Elon said what he said. That's what sends him to jail. There is no " what I really meant " defense.
Will the breeding ever stop?
>>16884809i dont think solar panels and birthrates are strongly correlated
>>16884814now you mention it, 50% of my children were conceived in a home with solar panels on the roof.
>>16884120>I wasn't aware that other countries were beholden to US law.Not directly, but transitively. The US government to a greater or lesser degree is constrained by its own laws, and foreign governments to a large degree do what they're told by the US government (or else they face crippling economic sanctions, invasions and targeted regime change).
>>16884814>if you plan on having kids, you need roof over your head>if you plan on having PVs, you need roof over your head
>>16884809Ummmmmmm what the hell man; sure why not
>ULA on X: "The next Vulcan rocket is reporting for duty! The USSF-87 launch campaign is underway for Vulcan's second U.S. national security mission. The Vulcan VC4S will deploy this mission directly to geosynchronous Earth orbit (GEO) using the high-performance Centaur V upper stage." Damn.. these contracts never go to SX/FH...
>>16884860Who?
>>16884860Next Vulcan launches before the next Starship. So much for that cadence.
>Vulcan will reach orbit before StarshipLet that sink in.
>>16884809solar powered sex machine!
>>16884866based outer Oort Cloud poster
>>16884508>what did they do though?
Chat, is this real?>>>/pol/525069568
>>16884914I wouldn't be surprised, but the better question is who's going to care?
>Had a lovely dinner last night with @POTUS and @FLOTUS>2026 is going to be amazing!
>>16884905Rods from God?
>>16884924weather manipulation
>>16884920worst fucking timeline
>>16884914oh no, 200gb worth of feasibility studies and regulatory projects, imagine what anyone who has access to it could do... fucking useless, not even the Chinese would be interested.
>>16884508https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqVy6eRXc7Q
>>16884803he said "maybe"that cannot be construed as investor guidanceI get that you are constantly propagandized against, so that you think Musk is the worst nazi since Henry Ford, but do try to look at things a bit more objectively, it will save you a lot of dissapointment if you do
>>16884920
>>16884935I'll pitch in a dollar or two, if you guys contribute as well. It'll be like the Epstein files, but nothing is redacted, paging through it should be fun for laughs and memes. Is this auction style? Whats the current bid price for the files?
>>16884823so you're saying people with solar panels on their roof have twice as many kids as those who don't?
>>16884999im 50/50 on this one
>>16884999this sounds like bullshit but I believe it!
>>16884920Honestly insane how he bounced back from the Melty lol.
>>16885017They made a deal"Life is a deal" and "Everything is a deal"mutual profit, assured powerethics be damned, fuck little kids, fuck niggers, fuck the country, fuck the planet. there is another thing I would like to say, but it mention would trigger a ban and immediate law enforcement activation, so I will not say that particular thing, with is way worse than the other things. retard nigger faggot
https://x.com/planet4589/status/2007945762810798187>Illustration that the shift to lower altitudes of the Starlink constellation has been going on for over a year now:
It's time to colonise Umbriel.
>>16885017demon mode
>>16884754yeah, the SEC is gonna have a field day with this.
sfg is.. ehm, uhm, d-dead*nods awkwardly*yeah
Elon Musk is officially Moon first.
>>16885170As a marsfag, I wouldn't worry too much about this. He's playing some kind of 5d chess. In order to get to Mars and stay there in the long term, he must use this 'Moon' façade for now to get more support and money.
goodnight /sfg/
>>16885170Makes sense. You can go to Mars only every 1-2 years while you have multiple launch windows every year to go to the Moon and also the flight time is much lower. This means you can iterate much faster since you know it much earlier if what you made works or not. The Moon is the place where we will figure out space colonisation, not Mars and what we learn on the Moon is much more applicable to other bodies of the Solar System.
>>16885170is that supposed to be a city on mount everest?
>>16885184>Learning how to live in Moon caves.No thanks. Our ancestors figured that out a couple million years ago. We surface dwellers now.
>>16884950A qualifier is not a defense, when you're off by a factor of 10000. Elon go jail.
So what stocks should I buy?
>>16885195well tax stamps are free so I'd say sbr everything you own
>>16885170Marsbros... we've been betrayed
>>16885198ok
>>16885199What if we just bring some red spraypaint and turn the moon red instead
>>16884754
we need to solve the problems of moon before we can think about going to mars
was 9 meters a mistake
>>16885240No, thzey clearly plan on going teh wet workshop route and use teh hulls as station modules.SpaceX clearly understands that not doiing this abandons LEO and cislunar space to Blue Origin and China.
>>16885240YesShould have been 12
>>16884999That could be real even if it's more a correlation then a cause effect.People who invest in solar panels for their roofs are planning a long-term, stable life, which makes it more probable that they will have children as well.
>>16885238get Eggman on the line.
>>16885240yes, should have been 18.
can someone stage? i dont want to commit to a dying thread
>>16885240Yes it was, they didn't do proper vehicle dynamics testing. 10-12m would have been ideal but it doesn't matter anyways because the Ship is so absurdly overweight they're going to have to go back to the drawing board/retool at some point anyway.
STAGING >>16885324STAGING >>16885324STAGING >>16885324
>>16885325Try again, with a thread title hopefully
>>16885170>lunar datacenters next:3
>>16885325how can you fail so hard anon?
>>16885325RUD
>>16885173The best way to get companies involved in a (technically) profitless Mars venture is to have then already out past Earth orbit and making money on the moon. Elon's always talked about how he doesn't want to have to do everything himself, but unless other companies are already working on offplanet industries they're not going to start just because Howard Hughes 2.0 is trying to start a mars colony.
>>16885325The Apollo 1 of ops.
>>16885325Fucking retard
AI shit so insanely unprofitable they had to can space colonization. Let that sink in
did we stage?
>>16885588premature stage ejectionism
>>16881920https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kHYzP8jRjk
>>16885588it flipped over
>>16885619LUNR does it again
