Basically the only way this film remained in popular culture is people bringing up "idiocracy wasn't supposed to be a documentary" and everyone laughing at people who thought it was realistic. If I try to go "back in time" to try to see what people used to say on the subject, the only criticism I find are comics like https://xkcd.com/603/ that nitpick some tiny detail that's hardly even mentioned or implied at best (also saying "worrying about the problem causes more harm than the problem", I wonder how he felt about covid years later) or making fun of the movie's depoction of future America, which is obviously exaggerated and stylised for comedic effect. I feel bad for being the only guy around who didn't get the memo on how the central premise actually got debunked. The central premise in my view being "as of right now, the smart, well organised people who have their shit together and can form healthy, happy relationships tend to have few or no kids, where as the abusive drug addicted idiots, often only kept alive by welfare, charity or crime, who bumble through life and never consider planning for the future are the group that tend to have the most kids (especially since you can count on there being kids out of wedlock). Like I said, this just seems like common sense to me, it matches what I see outside perfectly. Most of us could pay for an abortion if it came to that, the people that don't have a few hundred dollars to their name could be just jolly good poor people but most of them are likely just retards who spend money as it comes in, never even considering the idea of saving or planning ahead.
Didn't read your OP, only the subject.According to Mike Judge, he made a documentary but set it in the future.
>>16884623 A dull, poor couple that conceive at prime age, prefer animal based foods and avoid alcohol abuse, have significant chances of producing smart children.
>>16884623It's stupid because by the time the movie came out, ED and hairloss were already solved problems.
It's not supposed to be a documentary. So to make sparks fly out of the tv with reality then, it needs to have an edge with reality. But the manufacturing behind the machines needs calibration to form quantum. Right Mike?
>>16884667Gender conversion is not a solution, Anon.It's an axe wound. And it smells rotten.
>>16884674Well it is an accurate description of modern African politics.
>>16884623I've got a headcanon going on where some advanced AI keeps the society depicted in this movie together (basic amenities), but the retarded humans selectively override it (Nazi T-rex's in the museum and so forth) where they deem it funny/appropriateIt essentially is exactly where we are headed right now here in the west. Luckily, China exists though
>>16884623>Can someone explain why Idiocracy was "wrong"?from what I have seen in my life time? it's totally accurate.as for the rest of whatever you wrote... pic related.
>>16884623Didn't read most of your unorganized rambling but in general the movie should be watched as a stylized version of the future, not a strict prediction of how things will evolve. That television and electricity were still working despite society becoming a bunch of morons should have been evidence enough that the movie could not be taken literally even if the overarching theme of low intelligence being able to out reproduce high intelligence is at least somewhat sound in the current cultural context.
>>16886340yeah readings for fags lol
At the start the doomed smart people were jewish and the dumb people were white trash.Supposedly he had to do that to get itproduced or something.
>>16886340>pic related.Its a video, not a pic.And its too long, so I didn't watch.
>>16886345nope I just am not going to buy into ops bullshit.>>16886478I'm not referring to the video, I am referring to the post. the movie was incredibly painful to watch because it matched so much that I was already seeing.
>>16884623The thesis is obviously valid but the people who tend to constantly invoke the movie quietly ignore its actual point because in the IRL version it's not white trailer trash having a dozen kids and flooding the planet with their shitty genes, it's third world immigrants. Instead it gets hypersimplified to "GOVERNMENT DUMB LOL" so people with no capacity to make arguments can make a pop culture reference to bitch about blumpf instead.
>>16886343Electricity was managed by am AI, as everything else and they had a leaking nuclear powet plant.
>>16884623>brusselite yankee screed film about how stupid americans are>among the chief signifiers of this stupidity is...a black presidentWhat did they mean by this?
>>16887301Terry Crews 2028
>>16884674You just know.
>>16884674Is that the guy from the british student sitcom "The Young Ones"?
>>16886595>Dont watch the Langoliers thento late. that movie was creepy for other reasons and the CG was complete garbage.Don't read the book Interlopers by Alan Dean Foster. I couldn't touch anything organic for days afterwards. creepiest novel I ever read. I will never read it again. I think I threw it away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kqLVeP7iHA
>>16884623>view being "as of right now, the smart, well organised people who have their shit together and can form healthy, happy relationships tend to have few or no kids, where as the abusive drug addicted idiots, often only kept alive by welfare, charity or crime, who bumble through life and never consider planning for the future are the group that tend to have the most kids (especially since you can count on there being kids out of wedlock).It is true.However you forgot leftism.Leftism says that anything that talks about genetics or eugenics is wrong. Therefore this is why they react this way to the movie.Of course the premise of dumbing down of is real however the far worse aspect is that genetic defects are pushed down the line because there is a treatment that costs $$$$. We are literally facing a genetic dead end. There is afar darker interpretation that the le smart people are not smart at all and are in fact the genetically defective retards.After all evolution rewards the organism who can reproduce the most.So being a low life who fucks around is actually evolutionary beneficial while siting down and sniffing popular science farts is a a defect. look into eugenics kid!
>>16888140>Of course the premise of dumbing down of is real however the far worse aspect is that genetic defects are pushed down the line because there is a treatment that costs $$$$. We are literally facing a genetic dead end.What level of selective pressure is expensive medical care having?It's an argument against universal healthcare.
>>16888148>It's an argument against universal healthcare.yes.You can read all the arguments of the 1800s eugenicists.>What level of selective pressure is expensive medical care having?Lets make this clear however Dysgenics goes back far very far as far as the bronze age. Lets say there is a genetic disorder lets say color blindness.Now society today is leftists and glorifies defects(leftism), like seeing nothing wrong with color blindness, not only this they give help to the ones who are color blind.This leftism of society results in more and more people being infected with color blindness since society is not filtering them out and is giving these fucks government help.Lets take another case, pick some genetic disorder that is bad however can be coped with medicine, so we get people who need medicine to live, and society is burdened with these defects. The only one benefiting here are the greedy medicine corporations since they will get more clients in the future.We are heading for a disaster since we are actively increasing defective DNA in future generations, the final conclusion of this can not be properly calculated however it will never be good. It is very simple to understand this.>universal healthcare.No contradictions between universal health care and eugenics educate yourself more.
>>16884623>the only criticism I find are comics like https://xkcd.com/603/ that nitpick some tiny detailand reaches the level of stupidity called "not even wrong".
>>16888174>>universal healthcare.>No contradictions between universal health care and eugenics educate yourself more.I don't get it, if you're saying that society supporting the defective is bad isn't that contradictory to universal healthcare?
>>16888181PS: the USA has no universal health care however it has leftist programs to prevent discrimination and gives money to people who are color blind etc. So this debunks you.>I don't get it,Educate yourself.>universal healthcare?How do I make this simple for you.Lets see>Ok you broke your leg when you where working as an amazon driver.>Let the government pay for that so you can return to workVS>Oh sorry you have a genetic disorder >No free money from the government or help in living.>Also the government requires you to inform everyone that you have this genetic defect (like a registered sex offender)>And you will be paying a tax for the rest of your life since you are genetically defective. Understand it now?You are literally on the level of >Cut off your nose to spite your faceof capitalist dick sucking.
>>16888176>"not even wrong".No that is bullshit.It is literally called not answering the question, surface level insults and then mockery of your opponent. Switch the subject to global warming and insert the same lines to see what happens.Or COVID.The guy saying this is a leftist. He has no opinions he only repeats what CNN/MSNBC told him to say. Like during COVID.
>>16888194>The guy saying this is a leftist.XKCD used to be good but that is a long, long time ago now.I always wondered what caused this insane level of stupidity in someone supposedly educated. Is there something weird in the water?
>>16888228His wife. If you track when xkcd was good and when it was bad, and when he got engaged, it's clear this was the cause.
>>16888228>Is there something weird in the water?Simple he was born into it.He was born into a society that has unquestionable assumptions like that non-whites are divine and never evil. And eugenic is dismissed as >AAA THAT IS RACIST!!So most people have this reaction to it.On another note it is interesting to read leftist try to review media it is like some broken AI chatbot. However what totally struck me is how leftists can not believe that people like in avatar the last air bender go ageist the things society told them.They literally can not process this concept or understand it. Since the leftists are basically sheep doing whatever CNN says.
>>16884623No society can function if people are so dumb and lazy as in this movie. I get the premise but nothing like that can happen in my opinion.
>>16884623People can be trainedSee:Judith polgar
>>16888386what little bit of civilization they had left seems to have been mostly maintained by ai. notice everyone at their jobs has an AI telling them what to do. it even hires and fires people from their jobs.
>>16888401If most people aren't going to have a job and companies are not going to need them. then who is going to pay for their things?
>>16888386>No society can function if people are so dumb and lazy as in this movie.I work in what the elite has declared as a social democratic paradise. As part of my work I get to interact with members of the elite and I can assure you that neither intelligence nor qualifications count when you have a party membership card. the country is rotten to the core and corrupt to the top, the mismanagement is breathtaking and in all branches of government. That includes the judiciary and the military. Like small children, they know how to blame others for their failures and the solution to every problem is to raise taxes and blame even more people.Without original wealth, the country would have collapsed already. And when the wealth runs out and the wealthy runs away, then yes, it will all come to the end.
>>16884665theres a high likelihood that this smart child is gonna get raised by a screen and turns into a potatoe by the time it goes to school>>16888228>something weird in the waterchemicals that turn the frogs gay
>>16888433They will learn to share in order to own nothing and be happy.
>>16884623I thought this movie was really good, but the "J*ws" are are the only ones reproducing, all other countries are dying, including India and China. Even the stupid ones are not reproducing. I think it will end with the world having only J*ws and n*gs in the whole world if the trend continues.I was discussing this movie with a friend of mine who is an older gentleman, he hasn't watched it, but I explained the premise of the story and he was like, this is what is wrong with modern movies. I don't think he is a leftist, but he is very left leaning when it comes to population control, climate change etc. now that I think about it.
>>16888174>No contradictions between universal health care and eugenics educate yourself more.So UK and Canadia have eugenics? They seem to have people uglier than normal desu.
>>16884623How Idiocracy is wrong>Intelligence in Idiocracy is mostly geneticin reality it's mostly non-genetic>People keep getting stupider and stupiderin reality people are getting smarter, but since Warhol was more than right about 15 minutes, it appears as if they're getting dumber>the president of the US is a moronthis is correct
>>16890066>How Idiocracy is wrong>>Intelligence in Idiocracy is mostly genetic>in reality it's mostly non-genetic>>People keep getting stupider and stupiderYou make this assertion based on what evidece as proof?
>>16890086Intelligence is mostly about saying smart things and exhibiting behaviors that others approve of and that's mostly socialized learnt traits. And people who believe otherwise are typically heavily invested in the idea that they were born special snowflakes.
>>16890095You can claim this all you want but australia has had over a century of trying to teach abos and it hasn't got them very far.I keep asking but what evidence specifically can you point to as the foundation for your beliefs about intelligence
>>16890103From their professor of course.
>>16890103for starters that up until very recently it was the conventional knowledge. Until recently the consensus idea of an intelligent man was an old wise man who had a lot of life experience.
>>16890132DaVinci became a reknown polymath in his twenties, dumbass. You honestly think because you've only seen pictures of him being old he was only an old man throughout his life?
>>16890136There is no reliable account of how renowned DaVinci was in his 20, retard. That aside, my point wasnt that DaVinci was famous when he was old, my point was that the most widespread idea of intelligence has coincided with experience up until very recently. You're welcome to quote counterfactuals, but you wont.
>>16890148>While Leonardo da Vinci showed immense emerging genius in his twenties, evidenced by his masterful angel in Verrocchio'sBaptism of Christ and innovative portraits like Ginevra de' Benci, his "popularity" was mixed: he gained master status in the artists' guild but struggled to secure major commissions in Florence, known more for unreliability and unfinished work, leading him to seek opportunity in Milan by age 30Wow that took 5s to google and verify. Crazy. Since this is a science board you should accept your 'hypothesis' was incorrect and start again.
>>16890150The main source for DaVincis early life is Vasari who, unfortunately, just made shit up
>>16890153>unfortunately, just made shit upConfer to the graph. *taps screen*
>>16890158it needs more funny basedaks. Anything else, or have you given up now?
>>16890160Unfortunately, you just made shit up.
>>16888148Universal healthcare allows the retards to keep breeding
>>16890132>until recentlyHow many centuries out of date are you?In the late 1800s quantitative analysis of cognitive abilities was carried out and came to several broad conclusions.
>>16890164So, you've given up? You're conceding? Throwing in the towel? Showing your defenseless anus?
>>16890169That people in general are the most smart when they're around 18? Very impressive
>>16890311>JUST STAHP SWEATTIE YOU ARE CLEARLY WRONG STAHPpersuasive
>>16890019Everyone practices eugenics, there isn't a single sperm bank in the entire world that will accept genetic material from men under 5'8.
>>16890066>in reality people are getting smarter,Nope, flynn effect reversed when global populations merged more tightly at the close of the 20th century.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect#Possible_end_of_progression
>>16890654flynn effect only concerns fluid intelligence aka solving ravens matrices. I'll contract a certified ravens matrix expert when I've had enough of filling out the captcha. He'll be worth his 10p/hr
>>16884623Idiocracy is pure midwit-core. It's a film that dumb people watch when they want to feel smarter.
>>16890171
>>16890680midwit take
>>16890681g-loaded intelligence scores peak at 18
>>16890654the flynn effect plateaued when social conditions became more equalised and the risk of parasite or nutritional stunting and indoctrination to avoid critical thought was sufficiently reduced. (muslim literally lose like 10iq points because they get sent to religious schools they don't recover until their thirties)But the Flynn effect was always disguising the actual dysgenic decline in intelligence.reanalysis of iq data based on subtests showed that the most flynned tests are the least g loaded and trainable
>>16890675Its the entire basis of the original claim that "in reality people are getting smarter" and you know this because you didn't try to make any actual correction to how this increase in intelligence was determined, you just tried to "well ackshually..." your way out of it.
>>16890698it's based on the self evident fact that country side yokels across the globe have lived in an information white spot throughout history that has now been fixed with access first to TV and now to internetof course the average shit hole dweller is orders of magnitude more smart and well read today than 100 or 200 years ago
>>16890680As a midwit, I liked it.
>>16890060I want to travel Straya on a motorcycle.
>>16890779>a motorcycle.What type of bike?
>>16890702No, the average modern made has order of magnitude less corporate brand logos and their products memorized than the primitive man had plants and their functions memorized.
>>16885328That was the bit that didn't hold together, they should have starved already.
>>16888174The only issue becomes where to draw the line.What level of burden is acceptable. How many qualify as genetically perfect and is contribution to society even a good metric. Society is fake and gay after all.
tons of assumption errors
What was the average IQ Idiocracy? Probably like 65?
>>16884623Idiocracy is a real phenomenon. Like ACT scores have hit a 30-year low in Burgerstan: https://www.scrippsnews.com/us-news/education/act-test-scores-for-us-students-drop-to-30-year-lowOr you can just look at Iran's water crisis. Their millennia-old wells fell into disrepair. Too stupid to even bust out the Brawndo, now everyone riots.
>>16890690>the flynn effect plateaued when social conditions became more equalisedIn the West, that happened nearly 100 years ago.>and the risk of parasite or nutritional stuntingAnd that was about 150 years ago, if not more.>and indoctrination to avoid critical thought was sufficiently reduced.Reduced? It has been increasing the last 30 years.I cannot see how this can explain anything about the Flynn effect.
>>16893267Then go find some actual scholar's report on the proposed causes of the flynn effect instead of some rando on /sci/?As far as I know it's becasue of training effects.also you can't argue nutrition and disease effects being that far back
>>16892777That's the reality in europe for a long time though. Here in greece everything is on the ground floor of apartment buildings
>>16890681>bill gateslol?
>>16884867>nobody:>poltard: TRANNIES
>>16888194>>16888245>covid>cnnask for an update to your talking points hivan
>>16893283>Then go find some actual scholar's reportNo.A claim was made in >>16890690 and the onus is on that poster to back up the claim.
>>16884623Idiocracy is a timeline where mass immigration never happened.
the movie talks about bad nutrition, specifically, substituting mineral water with sports drinks
>>16894370And when you really break down the proteomics of it unironically, shit like HFCS is literally turning people derpy. Picrel. Yet you can also look at ingredients like ginseng or iodine that are doing the opposite.
>>16890681>get outdone by a 50 year oldI guess they were smarter, get better kid
>>16894413>please verify critical factsThose are pretty fucking critical to figure out, if I think about it.
>>16888140>So being a low life who fucks around is actually evolutionary beneficial while siting down and sniffing popular science farts is a a defect.This is possible entirely because of welfare though. Retards breed like rabbits because the government takes care of them. Being a retard with no valuable skills, who's unable to take care of himself and doesn't even have the will to be a productive member of society was an evolutionar disadvantage for most of human history. Just think of it. Would some ancient human tribe with extremely limited resources spend those resources on someone who never participated in ensuring the tribe's survival and whose behavior decreases the chance of survival of the whole tribe? Fuck no. That retard would be left to starve. It's just that we've become so rich that we can afford to spend our resources on keeping useless retards alive. And due to christian morality and leftism we decided that letting useless retards starve is evil.
>>16897458I think that once a crisis befalls the western world and resources become limited again, the useless retards will be the first to die off and society will heal.
>>16884623unironically xkcd is rightprogressives are masterbaiting to their own iq over what is basically a pro-eugenics message, although this would be the second time in history
>>16897469AKA "hard times create strong men".>>16897496>their own iqI have met some of these progressives and I have to say that their IQ is far from impressive.
