Is it fake and gay? I don't see why those in Isreal(about 94 IQ) and countries like the USA(supposedly 115 lol, but I've seen averages as low as 105) would have such a large IQ gap outside of bias, as I'm pretty sure Isreal is a pretty good country.
>>16891436jews were never intelligent they do the shinanigans to gain the powers and do the shinanigens on 1 incher retards that seem to be intelligent in the same tribe like ashkenazi, euro jews, sephardic, all flavors of albanian jizz
Ashkenazi Jews in Israel average about 105
>>16891510Doesn't match up with isreals national average and demographics, which is where the 94 figure was crudely extracted from which just so happens to match with their ancestry.
>>16891510I would still like your source on that though.
>>16891436Hard to know for sure because so many IQ studies are not truly randomized. The study that shows Ashkenazi Jews to have a median IQ above that of the general population was done on high schools kids in an exclusive college prep academy. IIRC, back in the 1950s when such academies were only for the elite. There probably have been other studies since then but that one gets trotted out quite a bit. It worthwhile to check the actual sources and their methodology, which is a lot of work when you're presented with a world map of IQ scores. Most aren't willing to do so or the image they're using doesn't have enough information to link back to the original studies.
>>16891551why would they have to be randomized? nigga you are dumb as fuck and have no intuition of epidemiology either lmaoooooooooooothe whole point of race testing IQ is so that it is NOT randomized so you can sort effectively and see what groups have what sub test scores to recommend certain jobs or diagnose based on cognitive profile. if it were randomized you wouldnt know what the fuck you are looking at these attributes or features we call in ML like race, age, and income are useful in KNOWING not being randomized helps ok cuh?
>>16891589Do you not know how to read? They mean that they should take completely random people from different groups to eliminate selection bias.
>>16891610Or rather, they should take random people of the same group.
>>16891436Survivor bias. When your social entourage allows greedy pieces of shit to do something really stupid, attracting the wrath of entire populations, you can't afford to have normal IQ.
>>16891544Israel has a lot of Sephardic
>>16891684brown jews are arabs or iranians white jews are albanians like all white people srry
>>16891654lmaoooo be serious
>>16891436Hitler killed the 6 million who were too dumb to get out of the way of the most telegraphed genocide in history so it naturally eliminated a large cohort of low IQ Ashkenazim.
Are you fucking faggots still in this much denial over the Bell Curve by Charles Murray?Yes. Jews are disproportionately intelligent. Ashkenazim specifically. For fuck’s sake is it really any wonder when they’ve been contributing so much for so many fucking years? Twenty fucking percent of Nobels.
>>16891436They cheat their asses off in university
>>16891712they also have small penis'
>>16891436IQ is junk science. Does that answer your question?
>>16891436I have never seen a smart religious jew. In israel and the US they are unemployed. People like Ben Shapiro are larpers, religious jews would not watch TV.
>>16891709That's because of the head of the nobel commitee has historically been a jew.
>>16891709Jewish nobel prize commitee votes for jews to get a nobel prize, its obvious bias.
>>16891709>Twenty fucking percent of Nobels.Who gives a fuck about this random medal?
>>16891610Lmao you don’t know anything this is assuming all variables are the same and genetics are aligned which isn’t the case in studies since murica is diverse
>>16891551This. You'd be surprised by how limited our data on IQ actually is, and will continue to be, because reasons.
>>16891436Despite what stormtards will tell you, yes the average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews in the USA is sky-high. They've been travelling merchants for thousands of years and thrive in the most successful capitalist country, go figure. It seems to be less pronounced everywhere else, though. Still, the Jews do have an above-average baseline because their historical life patterns involved memorizing multiple languages and customs from the other societies they engaged with. They unintentionally conditioned themselves for being outside observers. This is how they produced people like Freud and Marx, who could produce very detailed (if questionably accurate) analyses of Western mindset, social structure and culture. And for the record I'm 100% mongrelized anglo-celtic myself.
>>16891800That matters noob it measures how intelligent you are too based on ground breaking discoveries minimum is 103 FSIQ
>>16891841I'd like to follow up by pointing out that IQ isn't everything. It doesn't automatically translate to excellence in every field or pursuit. Jewish art is far inferior to Mediterranean and French art, for instance. They don't seem to know how to write a happy song (slaves also have this disability). Their sense of order and aesthetics in architecture is shit all over by places like Japan and the Nordic countries. Their engineering achievements pale in comparison to Germanics'. For all the biblically long history of Jews, their one true civilization is a tiny plot of land wedged in the desert shitting itself with guns pointed in all directions, whereas China has existed as a millions-strong empire in one form or another for 4000 years.
>>16891851*slavs not slaves
>>16891845The nobel only measures who gets selected by the nobel organization. If you cared at all about the oh le science like you pretend you would not need to check some award list to know what is or not important. The purpose of these public medals is to teach cretins like you whom to worship.
>>16891785Lol no
>>16891855i dont worship anyone tho like senpai or phds that culture is fucking hilarious imo fuck that 1 incher category
>>16891841Social commentary isn't proof. This is a science board. Show data or GTFO.
>>16891851They still excel in those fields though, regardless of whether you like their contributions or not. Even Christmas songs like White Christmas, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Winter Wonderland,"and It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year, were written by Jews, and they've dominated Broadway and Hollywood almost since their conception. It will be interesting to see if they continue their dominance in the future though as the World is becoming more globalised.
>>16893142Forgot to mention someone also noted Nobel Prize awarding bias. They have also been 44% of World chess champions, so how do you explain that?
>>16893145>44% of world chess champions show source cuh thats hard to believe
>>16893142>Even Christmas songs like White Christmas, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Winter WonderlandThese songs are garbage and part and parcel of the pozzing of christmas, which is no longer about jesus christ but about buying gifts and snow. Pure kikery
>>16891436>>16891491>>16891510>>16891544>>16891654High IQ isn't intelligence. And anyway, over the years jews have redefined the original Stanford-Binet IQ into something they're good at (pilpulism). True stupidity is a function of tunnel vision, poor self discipline, and Dunning Kruger dumbassery, all of which jews exhibit in spades.
>>16891436There is some truth to it regarding white admixed Jews like the Ashkenazi, who's average is actually at the level of Japs and Koreans around 105. So they definitely aren't stupid but they're definitely not some kind of Übermensch or master-race either. Speaking of which, that distinction belongs to some subsets of the WASP demographic such as upper-class Quakers, Anglicans, and Lutherans.
>>16893920please delete your post. we like to keep a low profile.
>>16893145>>16893183Sounds like an AI hallucinations
>>16891436Ashkenazi Jews are about 32% of the Israeli population. If you assume the rest of the population of darker Jews and Arabs have an average IQ of around 84, that would mean that Ashkenazi Jews would have to have an average IQ of just over 115 to make up the difference.
>>16894266The 94 estimate was made with respect to their percentage of the population, Isreal has an average IQ closer to 80 iirc. The 94 estimate also happens to line up with Ashkenazi ancestry.
>>16894310> hasOr probably had. It's been a some years.
>>16891436I know that most American Jews I've known have all been pretty smart. I like talking to them.
>>16893199Just filter out those with high verbal IQ but low spatial IQ, those are the most dangerous retards.
>>16893920
they don't seem to fare better academically than asian americans desu. i know the jewish supremacist hbd people on twitter like cofnas, cremieux etc would inflate to 110, but they rely on project talent data from 1960, and their n for jewish identification from the follow-up was like 1200. considering the high outmarriage rates, israeli data, jews not really excelling like they used to academically in say math competitions, i'd still put them a bit above average overall, more like on the same level as asian americans but with a verbal tilt. i think people should consider massive selection effects here as well, indians demonstrate this well. the cohort in the us is above average, but india as a whole is africa tier. it sounds a bit edgy but i think the 1960 study is something very particular, there was a massive influx of the upper echelons of jewish life from europe to the us, and the holocaust was kinda eugenic. but it does look like there has been some regression, even just qualitatively, jewish public intellectuals today are a lot less impressive in sheer verbal skill than they used to be.
>>16894003no that was actually me lol but the other one wasnt idk bro this is a weird site
>>16894003>>16894902I'm the other guy and I'm not a bot either. Going back to the question, I believe Ashkenazi Jews are the best argument for IQ being largely genetic. 0.1% of the World's population and 22% of Nobel Prizes. Fucking incredible. Hard to imagine what the World would be like if there were 100 million of them.
>>16894684ironically it's asians who succeed from nepotism. chinese will hire other chinese. jewish nepotism waned significantly after ww2 and basically does not exist anymore. not in academia anyway
>>16894348those are all ashkenazis. we have almost no sephardics here. >>16895373i'm ashkenazi, and i'd say my family is generally better than average intelligence but not by much. ashkenazi culture strongly values education, which if there were a genetic bias is reinforced through environment
>>16895376i don't think that's true. especially at elite universities. >>16895373nobel prizes are a bad metric, they are extremely political, decided subjectively by a small panel. if the board of the university of stockholm crowns some somali bulbhead the best and smartest and most moral person in the world do you take that at face value? this isn't even disputing great jewish physicists existing, it's just that there is a lot of pr involved.
>>16895383What about the fields medal, where they've won about 20% of them, then?
>>16895385Using Nobels/Fields to infer “group IQ” is just tail-abuse. It’s not a random sample, it’s an institutional pipeline output.Example: do the same trick with Europe vs East Asia and you “prove” something obviously wrong.Take a conservative Europe-only pile (UK+DE+FR+SE+RU+CH+AT+NL+IT) = ~497 Nobels (ignores the rest of Europe).East Asia (JP+CN+KR+HK) = ~45 Nobels.Pop: Europe ~744M, East Asia ~1.65B. Nobels per capita: Europe ≈ 0.67 / million, East Asia ≈ 0.027 / million Europe is ~25× higher per capita.If you now do the classic “winner = extreme tail of a normal IQ distribution” backsolve, a 25× tail ratio implies like +0.6 to +0.8 SD mean advantage (≈ 9–12 IQ points).So congrats, your method “proves” Europeans are 10 IQ points above East Asians.Which should instantly tell you the metric is contaminated by history, language, elite networks, field access, migration/selection, and Western prize institutions, not clean biology.Same reason you can’t infer “Ashkenazi mean IQ” from Nobel/Fields counts: you need direct measurement, with correct labeling, representative sampling, and a model that handles selection + variance + SES + institutional sorting. Otherwise you’re just reading tea leaves from the extreme tail and calling it genetics.
>>16895397gonna respond to your ai sloppa, because i'm bored>Using Nobels/Fields to infer “group IQ” is just tail-abuse. It’s not a random sample, it’s an institutional pipeline output.and yet, such tail-abuse does not provide similarly high values of iq across other demographics. this is a confirmation of the ashkenazi intelligence, not a refutation of it.>So congrats, your method “proves” Europeans are 10 IQ points above East Asians.this is unironically true thougheverbeit. you ever interact with chinks in grad school? they have no creativity. >Which should instantly tell you the metric is contaminated by history, language, elite networks, field access, migration/selection, and Western prize institutions, not clean biology.in other words, systemic cultural habits can influence iq. like ashkenazis valuing education, emphasizing verbal fluency, and lateral thinking through talmudic debate (even though most educated ashkenazis are irreligious). on the topic of talmudic debate, we come full circle where i opt to engage with your ai sloppa not because i'm seeking to change your mind (i won't - you're an idiot). rather, it's to test my own understanding against myself. and it's fun. >you need direct measurementthose direct measurements exist, and has been discussed in this thread. the indirect inference from nobels and fields medals only corroborates this. >Otherwise you’re just reading tea leaves from the extreme tail and calling it genetics.dramatic outliers like this are ALWAYS the result of genetics. with consistent and persistent cultural biases, you cannot produce anomalies as there are no anomalous environmental effects significant enough to induce the 1 in a billion genius. it's obviously genetic, and you'd know this if you read into the early, childhood life of such nobel laureates. especially the ashkenazis. that would require you read beyond learning they had jewish parents, and also not relying on ai validation of your hurt fee fees
>>16895376Jews were always the watered down version of asiatic sociopathy.Which makes sense because they existed on the fringes of europe and asia for most of their existence.To the jewish perspective it was just “it’s not what you know, it’s who you know! Teehee” Very tongue and cheek and light hearted, not really thinking about what it is they were doing.With pure Asiatics it’s pure cold nepomaxxing 24/7. Absolute clanmaxxing 24/7. They know what they are doing and they don’t care.
>>16891436I have 1% of asknazi and 1% crete island. For some reason i can explain quantum physics like its 2+2. I have formal education in quantum physics I
>>16893183The 1989 study Warriors of the Mind analyzed the top 64 players of all time and found that 44% were Jewish. They've also been highly represented in the theoretical development of the game, with many major chess theoreticians being Jewish.
>>16895402God damn, this ashkenazi really btfo the the antisemites in this thread lmao
>>16891436IQ and race realist here.Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ.Check out the book The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life.There's a lot of silly cope out there about it being only verbal intelligence, even though the same rankings hold in non-FSIQ tests and even though neuropsychological research has established the same rankings in mathematical-logical intelligence. Where they kind of underperform and equal Whites is in spatial intelligence - you know, "rotate this 3D shape in your head" kinda thing. They also are of first rank in memory tests and deductive+inductive reasoning tests (sometimes mathematical/logical tests don't actually measure deductive+inductive reasoning in any real depth). They have faster processing speed (sometimes part of FSIQ, but whatever) than Whites but are slower than East and South Asians.Also, just laugh at the cope about "muh empathy" or some other scientifically meaningless cope.
