why do retards believe in this shit?
>>16893567Well some form of abiogenesis had to have happened. This dispute is whether it occurred through some variation of the same basic processes that we see occuring every day or some fundamentally unfalsifiable process we have never seen any evidence for whatsoever.
>>16893567Urey experiment. Unlike your religious schizobabble, the proposition of abiogenesis has experimental evidence to support it.
>>16893567I was going to reply with an answer, but I see that this thread is already solved by the first two posts - very efficient /sci/./thread
>>16893596>/threadNah.>Dr. James Tour critiques the Miller-Urey experiment, arguing it successfully made building blocks (amino acids) but produced unuseable, messy mixtures (racemic) and that origin-of-life research hasn't progressed since, with scientists often using pure chemicals from labs (relay synthesis) rather than primitive Earth conditions, highlighting the unresolved complexities like homochirality and order needed for life, calling much of the field "bad science".I remember him talking at legth about this topic...in many of his videos no less.Computer, run program "Show these midwits what for.", safety off.
>with electrical sparks (lightning)From the sky?>Later analysis of original samples (using modern tech) found even more compounds, but current thinking adjusts the primordial atmosphere's composition, suggesting different gas ratios and environments, like deep-sea vents, were also crucial. Wait, huh?>deep-sea ventsHow deep?>deepAND the sky's magic powers?!?Delicate compounds with decay rates in the hours surviving oceanic depths to combine?! Where is the hidden hand?![rests fists on hips, sensible chuckles]https://youtu.be/epIT4-gF__M
...it was almost Love at first Science.https://youtu.be/VJ-LWx9X0TQ...almost. For a breakdown in "not making logical jumps in Science", see;https://youtu.be/BWrJo4651VA&https://youtu.be/xp9l5c1olw8Bret Wienstein mentions something similar in his own work, that I too believed, as did alllll of the field, but turned out to not be true (cant remember what/where). It made perfect, logical, one step two step, sense...but there where factors between...such is the life of the assumpt.
Funny mentions this, as I saw RNA single strands becoming DNA dual strands as a form of Symbiosis, and now that he mentions this, so too would be Elemental valence bonds.https://youtu.be/K0K-pMPFzGY
>>16893601>experiment showed that providing basic chemical bases and the right conditions could lead to spontaneous production of amino acids>BUT IT USED IDEAL CONDITIONS AND DIDN'T SIT AROUND FOR A BILLION YEARS!!It's a sufficient proof of concept of the underlying idea to support it as a plausible explanation. You're just moving goalposts.If it'd replicated ancient Earth conditions precisely and produced fully-realized RNA chains instead of amino acids, you'd still criticize it for not shitting out a fully-grown fish at the end or whatever. No amount of evidence will ever be enough for you.
>>16893635>proof of concept>proof>of concept>You're just moving goalposts>(You)'re>If it'd replicated>If>and produced fully-realized RNA>just moving goalpostshttps://youtu.be/ZscVcIW9HOM
>>16893635>a plausible explanation>Aristotle's theory of gravity wasn't a force but a concept of natural place, where objects fall because they seek their inherent spots in the universe.If it did not desire...then explain why it goes to where it wanted to?Checkmate.[smirks, crosses arms, leans back, kicks feet on desk]
>>16893616>&This is why I posted these...>>16893616>as did alllll of the fieldBecause assumptions were being taught in every university...>>16893635>sufficientFor an emotionally comforting end to an emotionally unsettling endless mystery.>>16893616>...almost.ALMOST.Like drinking a tonic and getting relief...and attributing the relief to the tonic when in reality it killed bacteria in the gut, and it was only an unknown contanimate in the tonic that altered the biome. Outward observations would logically follow...https://youtu.be/_rgL0e79Jag
Which is why I focus on Magnetics as a focal point of Evolutionary Biology and as a precursor to Molecular Biology, PREcursor. Dictating to an organism what and when Molecular changes occure, requiring the Atoms before receiving them, and the organism seeks out what it requires to do so.Planetary sized gas clouds, atoms, and everything inbetween, sharing characteristics...curious, the universal constants of everything...
>>16893575>>16893578>had to happen interesting dichotomy faggot not reproducible >Urey how did that produce humans that didnt inbreed to produce dumbass babies without this much genetic diversity
>>16893578>the proposition of abiogenesis has experimental evidence to support it.oh, a proposition. so cool
>>16893567Smart people know the truth......>>16893575>Well some form of abiogenesis had to have happenedWhy? This has no basis in reality. No no it doesn't. You're an idiot. >>16893578No, no it doesn't. Like most "science" if you are smart and read the papers written you see how they manipulate the data and manipulate logic to bend the results to point to what they want it to point to. Not a single experiment has proven abiogenesis and OSIRIS-REx mission by NASA has given a large boost of evidence towards Panspermia. Abiogenesis is from the cult of science that is anti-God at it's core and manipulates data to push an agenda.
>>16893669>precursor to Molecular BiologyMeasuring invisible bands of pre & post BioMagnetic harmonics and resonance.[blows rainbow colored smoke]
>>16893670>abiogenesis isn't possible>huh, what do you mean it's possible>how did lightning create humans!!you're such a dishonest faggot you don't even know how. you probably never even heard of "chemical evolution", and have such an aversion to science that the word "evolution" breaks your mind to where you cannot understand how it applies to chemical replication. notice how i am not using the word biological, mouthbreather.
its like the hard problem of consciousness. a very difficult scientific question we cant explain yet but little reason to think we wont be able to eventually. just because we dont know it all at the moment means we need to invoke schizophrenia
>>16893678>means we need to invoke schizophreniaGotchya, bamkai.
>>16893673For the record anti-God science cultists are unable to admit Panspermia as it defeats the narrative that we are Godless creatures spawned from random chaos. That is the great philisophical battle in science. The cultists who seek to disprove God by proving life is a random chaos of chemicals and the real truth, we came from the stars and every cell of life was meant to be and not an accident. They can't allow people to think these deep thoughts. materialist science cultists work night and day to keep the truth from the masses. AGI is also the same cultists who seek to make intelligence from nothing to prove we are also from nothing, they will of course fail. The same people who spend billions of dollars to make particle colliders to disprove God, and fail. All of modern science is just cult members in lab coats who spend their lives trying to disprove God. Abiogenesis can't explain where the mitochondria came from nor can it explain how RNA and DNA spawned from nothing. It has endless logical holes and anyone who looks into it knows it's all fake, fake and gay.
>>16893678>its like the hard problem of consciousness.Again science cultists and their materialist dogma. They are trying to twist logic and evidence to fit their anti-God narrative when in reality the Penrose model of consciousness points to us never understanding it because it's beyond our reality. It's quantum in nature and humans will never understand it with a materialist point of view. It's the cult of science to assume you just need more data to become a God yourselves. Pure insanity.
>>16893678https://youtu.be/IF23yTO2pg0If you cant answer where Life came from...then dont tell me this wont produce results.t.Science©
>long RNA needed for replication>enzymes needed to make long RNA>long RNA needed to make enzymesthis is the biggest issue
>>16893683>>16893682no one cares about your retarded babbling. go screech on /x/ where you belong.
>>16893676you believe our brains came out of evolution faggot? im not a muzzie i believe in christ
why do ignorant inbred schizophrenics even come on this board if theyre so 100% convinced science is fake and gay? its like going on /a/ and complaining about weebs. your skydaddy delusions will never have a shred of empirical evidence or testable hypotheses, its completely irrelevant
>>16893691you're on a site with a decades-long history of shit-stirring. don't act surprised.
>>16893688nobody called you a muzzie, schizo lmao
>>16893695the shit-stirring 15 years ago was more cerebral and more bombastic, ironically. this site was ALWAYS a counterculture, and when you have christfags showing up to cry about science, they're unironically following mainstream culture. 4chan is no longer counterculture, and it's insane that to be counterculture today one becomes one of the cattle from 2011. i want off this gay earth
>>16893696That was the underline assumption My FSIQ is higher than anyone on this board retarded faggot ass 1 incher
>>16893700hilariously ironic. my post was written with the assumption you're a christnigger. that you assume i shat on muzzies, reflective of your own bias against them, shows you understand how retarded you're being. your cognitive dissonance is quite strong.
>>16893700>higher than anyone on this board
>>16893670>interesting dichotomy faggot not reproducible>>16893673>Why? This has no basis in reality. No no it doesn't. You're an idiot.There was a point in time when there was no life, correct?Now there is life, correct?Therefore life had to spawn from non-life at some point.
>>16893676>chemical replicationCan also be prevented as certain ones can no longer be made in the lab.>"chemical evolution"A living process at the Molecular and Atomic scales? What drives such a concept? Morphic Resonance?https://youtu.be/AejwVSMJWYw>>16893674>BioMagnetic harmonics and resonanceThings before...stuff. Inanimate objects exhibiting...non-unliving properties.
>>16893708>correctNo. No where do I find it, no where does he. The Physics process of one never ends, even prior to the "Big Bang", the core of it holds.
>>16893714>>chemical replication>Can also be prevented as certain ones can no longer be made in the lab.>>"chemical evolution">A living process at the Molecular and Atomic scales?nope. i will not elaborate. christfags are incapable of understanding.
>>16893718>nopeHeh, it was called a PWN, but ok, Ms. Kiddo.>i will not elaborateYou cant. You wont. You never will.If you did I would bury you in papers deep enough to crush your sternum into your spine. I wonder what drives this...blinded rejection for the Truth...>christfagsAh...yes, indeed, a Child of the Damned.>are incapable of understanding.Cognition? Im "Poly-Phrenic", as there is no term for the "Many Minds" I contain except "Legion, for I am Many". Since Phrenic is "head & heart", and I am not Schismed. I am more than either of those Cognitive Organelles.You...are at war with yourself, dear child...
>>16893691>>16893695>>16893698Why are you trans?
>>16893721>there is no term for the "Many Minds" I containit's called dissociative identity disorder, and is caused by being molested as a child
>>16893702Shut up nigger
>>16893698>this site was ALWAYS a counterculture, and when you have christfags showing up to cry about science, they're unironically following mainstream culture. the establishment fucking loves pushing materialism on everyone and dogmatically asserting there is no higher reality, shill
>>16893716You're not being coherent. Are you attempting to say life existed prior to the big bang?
>>16893738>dissociative identity disorderNo, thats called cancer.>Levin posits that cancer is a form of "dissociative identity disorder" for cells, where they lose the collective memory and goals of the organism, focusing only on their individual replication.Why are you LARPing at a Doctor?...>they lose the collective memory and goals of the organismAh, we cannot have the same goal if we do not know the same goal. I wonder what your goal is...>focusing only on their individual replicationMonoism. Mono-culture, mono-party, mono-Cognition. Confusing absolute with totality...the difference between a Klein bottle Hyper-Sphere and Monad.Sub-spacial directionality, which way is which in a 1-D vector?...ooops, wrong turn...
>>16893746Shut up, retard, you have no clue what being posted in this thread, go back.
>>16893714>Inanimate objects exhibiting...non-unliving properties.>>16893746What was just said was "You have no coherent concept of life yourself to be acting as reviewer of where it began."That "line" you people drew has been broken, repeatedly, on multiple fronts...
nobody can refute how brains developed
>>16893764>brainsDefine this term. Because I barely study it when studying Cognition, same for Levin, its only a portion of the whole.For me its closer to a measuring lens than a processing unit. Memories can be stored outside of it. What exactly do you think it does?
>>16893768>I barely study itAlright, maybe not, I do a lot, but also much not, as prior it becomes very "Physics-y". Much easier to describe is broad notions than "understandable perspectives", as the interpretations seem happen at the brain.Raw signal.
>>16893575>Well some form of abiogenesis had to have happened.This is the same retardation that made "scientists" believe in sponateous generation where maggots just appeared in old bread, somehow generated from within before someone finally showed them it was flies laying eggs.
>>16893764>brains>"Recent studies have shown that the "zombie ant" fungus (Ophiocordyceps unilateralis sensu lato) manipulates host behavior without directly infecting the brain, instead forming a 3-D network that surrounds and invades muscle fibers throughout the insect's body."[rests antennae on your shoulder]Do you feel in charge?
We do not know exactly how life arose, bu the only alternative to abiogenesis is supernatural creation and there is zero credible evidence for anything supernatural existing. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence which the supernatural fags failed to provide, so abiogenesis is still the most probable explanation.
>>16893788>zero credible evidence>failed to provide>"Show me! Ha, knew you couldnt."Youre literally ignoring laboratory scientists at this point...you chose to not see because seeing means your worldview crumples into a lifetime of regret and shame.Self preservation is your goal, not science or reality.
>>16893635That’s not what proof-of-concept is. It’s doo doo.
>>16893791>laboratory scientists>>16893714>https://youtu.be/AejwVSMJWYwRunning around trying to figure out why labs are all making a different molecule than before, now the old one cant be remade by anyone...a drug stopped working because of it once, thats how they found out it was different. Fascinating shit. Wait...isnt RNA a Chemical Molochule?...Devil...is in the details...oh no no no no.....
>>16893791The burden of proof is on you, not on me. You are the one claiming something extraordinary (supernatural origin of life). I am saying we simply do not know the exact mechanism, but it is most likely natural, just like everything else in the universe.
>>16893799>bad faith actor LARPs on /sci/Vapid....and just like that, he both knew everything and knew nothing at the same time.
>>16893799Abiogenesis is supernatural.
>>16893791hello bot, laboratory scientists still pray to allah tho
this board lacks total fucking intuition
>>16893771The difference is "abiogenesis" is more broad. It includes everything from lukewarm chemical soup to spontaneous generation to divine intervention. Any case where non-life gives rise to life is abiogenesis.
