An EPO examiner just flew over my house

A quant with a faang internship just flew over my house.

I'm a major in chemistry and I am currently doing part-time lab work in polymer product development.
Colleagues are super nice, job is very flexible, manager is awesome but job is tedious, everything smells like plastic shit, the lab is a mess, the work I do involves only limited advanced techniques and instruments and the pay is just ok. I already know now that I don't want to do anything involving plastics ever again after this.

Recently got another part-time job offer in a supportive role for clean room process engineering and management at a biopharma company but the job seems to be very regulatory-ish and audity.

Is this valuable experience to switch for after 6 months? Long-term I want to do a Master's in materials science and I want to work in some high-value-adding field like semicon or energy materials (batteries, solar etc.) or even pharma if I even had a choice.

>>16894981
>Learning STEM for career
>Not learning STEM for love of understanding

>>16895265
>seeking employment in something you enjoy or love
I shiggy diggy

You just found your absolute dream job posting and the requirements match your experience but at the end there is the following line

>requires working with hazardous chemicals such as hydrofluoric acid

Are you still applying?

>>16895370
>Wants to work in STEM
>Is scared of a little HAZMAT
Wear your PPE and follow safety procedures. You're more likely to get fucked up as a fry cook than as a lab tech.

>SAAB mentioned

How the hell did I get to the end of a PhD and never learn how to write a paper and I'm having to learn how to do this at a FAANG INTERNSHIP of all places. My supervisor is lucky I am separated from him by an entire continent.

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>>16895580
>How the hell did I get to the end of a PhD and never learn how to write a paper
Severe retardation, probably some genetic issue due to inbreeding

>>16895370
Sure.
As >>16895409 points out: follow the procedures. Tryng to play the geenric unorthodox TV hero will get you killed in a particular gruesome fashion.

Reminder that if I can't become a patent attorney despite making 100k a year right out of college, you won't either.
You will never become a patent attorney.
Give up.

>>16895370
without second thought

why is everyone applying for phds in the biosciences? just got a rejection email saying they had record numbers over 1000 this year

>>16895641
If you could see how looksminned I am you wouldn't joke about this.

>>16895855
>>16895409
>>16895671
Thanks guys, just sent off my application.

Honestly fuck science.

>>16895580
>How the hell did I get to the end of a PhD and never learn how to write a paper
Even if you didn’t publish you surely wrote your dissertation, yes?

>>16895370
HF isn't that bad unless it gets onto your skin, then you are dead.
Just don't be dumb. I work with semiconductors and HF is pretty much a non-issue since things like protection and brain exist.

>>16895580
How does it work? My PhD requires me specifically to submit 3 decent papers before I can submit my PhD thesis. Publishing is mandatory here

>>16895930
It's the girl part of STEM. It's for those who want to do "le science" without putting any effort into it. It's basically the humanities of science. The courses are piss easy, no math is required and everyone obviously passes so they think now they can easily do a PhD and this is how you get thousands of applications. But don't worry anon, even if you get a spot, it will be the lowest paid one and everyone will look down on you and laugh behind your back.
I work in electronics and there was PhD student who is working on bio part of bioelectronics as bio grad. His salary is like half of mine.

>>16895930
Apply to the worst university you see

>>16896067
I have five published papers I just socially manipulate my coauthors into writing the majority of them.

>>16896167
Sounds like you have the makings of a PI already, just continue doing that.

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Thoughts about attempting to get hired at Lovable, or is it pretty much impossible unless you're like an olympian or chess master or whatever?

>had a casual Zoom meeting with a prospective prof at a top university in my country
>stumbled over my words and was all over the place when introducing myself, my motivation, and research interests
It's over even before it began...

>>16896257
If an ai company doesnt do fundamental research it's not gonna exist in 2-3 years.

>>16896007
I just stapled my papers together and used Claude to write the rest.

Should I write a theoretical research paper as an unaffiliated (i.e. unemployed) aerospace engineer? Or should I just build my prototypes in my garage and keep my math secret?

>>16895961
I'm from here and I know 2 googlers from here, but bothgot their jobs pre-covid.

How many phd applications did you send before being accepted? Trying to figure out if I'm crazy, only sent 2 so far and one more planned. For all of them when I reached out to the profs with some questions before applying, they offered to do a video call, and I think they all went OK? Really don't want to be stuck without an offer though. (Europe)

>>16896765
Hundreds, go fuck yourself

>>16896765
2. One was after the deadline (no reply), another accepted

>>16896765
I did 4 interviews before landing an offer.

>>16896765
More than 200.
It's still not working. I finally applied to a top 300 university in December despite graduating from a top 100 and I could get that one.
My standards are rapidly dropping.

>>16896765
I applied to 5 schools, and only targeted ones that have one or more research groups in my field of interest while cold emailing profs from those schools. Fee is $100 per application, that ain't cheap.

>>16896912
yeah I'm being very targeted, read a bunch of papers of all the profs i contacted and tried making that obvious when talking to them. there generally are no fees this side of the ocean though.
>>16896790
I already have a fallback offer through someone my advisor knows at a top 20 school :p

>>16895491
Mathematician detected!

>>16896912
>Fee is $100
Wtf

>>16896912
I know people who applied to two jobs and got both, then had to say no to one of them. The absolute privilege you people have is insane.

>>16896924
I'm putting a hex on you

just got my first Nature/Science acceptance!
feels good man

So when it comes to biotech the hierachy is

R&D>MSAT>Product Support>Operations

Are non-R&D internships even worth it?

>>16896765
8 applied, 3 got offer, 4 to interview stage and one rejected before interview (they said I wasn't qualified when I literally studied under the professor who is in board of directions of a company that makes machines they use that they said I am not good enough for. I'm still mad about it.

>>16895370
>requires working with HF
So basically any fab job? Not a problem at all, if anything the HF is safer than other fab chefs because you'll only touch it with a ton of PPE and in a secured area, much more careful with it.

So it was a tough but I spent all my undergraduate years working in industry labs, doing internships in private companies but I actually want to go into research. I am just scared that after graduation I won't find a job. So my logic was 'ok get some private experience, if your career in academia crash and burns, at least you have that'

Is this line of thinking retarded?

>>16897318

It's not retarded but it might not be all that impactful. Depends on whether your contingency is meant for right after graduation or when you try and fail in academia. The most relevant part of your CV is always the most recent part.

I'm assuming you're about to start postgrad now. Right now those internships are relevant if you were to apply elsewhere.

If you're serious about academia, you will do grad school and these days almost unavoidably a postdoc. Up to this point it is relatively straightforward, after the postdoc is when your career likely dies (it did for me).

By this point you'll be 6-8 years out of undergrad and any internships you did back then will not carry much weight in your CV.

>>16896765
I sent out 5 applications but gave up on 2 of them, so only 3 serious applications. I got interviews for all 3 but got rejected from all of them, but 6 months later I got accepted into my first choice because I was on the reserve list.

>>16896765
One. It was the same university I was currently at and I already had a class with my supervisor.

>don't tailor my resume for specific job application
>rename the file to the company/job title so it looks like I did
Follow my blog for more hot tips

>>16897940
oh fug i should do this

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>defended my PhD thesis
>literally don't feel anything at all
>now starting to feel distraught over the lack of any emotional response
is this typical? shouldn't there be at least a sense of relief or something?

>>16898238
now the post-PhD depression starts.

If you're struggling, just remember.

Nobody cares. And it will definitely get worse.

>>16898238
Yeah that's normal

>>16897025
Applying to Columbia costed me $110.

I'm on NEET bux, before i tried cybersecurity and architecture but failed both

>>16898238
I also felt nothing. It wasn't worth it.

Doing an applied math masters to increase my chances at picking up a GS-1500 series math job. Do I even stand a fucking chance or is there a giant flood of math PhDs going into them?

>>16898588
>GS-1500 series math job
What is this?

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I found a guy who literally has two PhDs and teaches high school.

>>16898765
back in the day you could score prime pussy that way

not so much nowadays unfortunately

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I just recently graduated with a chemistry degree. My undergrad PI has a start up spectroscopy company and offered me a position doing synthetic chemistry. Would it be worth it to just start working at this startup and dodge the PhD entirely? I'm not hung up on attaining the PhD title and think graduate school is excessive for working in organic synthesis, especially when most of the work comes down to following literature protocols and mixing reagents in round bottom flasks. Another factor im considering is that academia right now is really not a good place to be due to all the funding getting cut and I believe the PhD is going to be worth much less in the future. I've also had horrible experiences in research academia even as an undergraduate, so this further jades me against taking the PhD path. My PI boasts about the millions in funding he acquired and is checked out of his academic lab and works mostly on his startup, even poaching his own post docs to work at the start up. In terms of the future outlook of his company, it seems to be highly academic in application so im unsure if joining his startup is the best in terms of long term career prospects, meanwhile the phd has that staying power.

>>16895262
right now you seem to be doing a lot of organic type jobs. If you want to work in biopharma at the bench that could be a good role to try to break into that industry. Otherwise if you want to work in energetic materials switching to that would require you to be doing inorganic synthesis so I would go for the masters or phd to switch fields.

>>16898770
Not having a PhD is a big disadvantage in chemistry. It will limit your future career. You should ask your PI if he has a plan for you to get on some kind of industry PhD.

>>16898782
My PI is a spectroscopist and doesnt know anything about the minute details of the synthesis he just provides a high level management perspective on the project, I work with a staff scientist that knows synthesis. If I were to do a phd in synthesis, it would have to be with a different PI or with this scientist if he gets a grant funded during the trump era. Would first author high impact papers compensate for the lack of phd in synthetic chemistry? In terms of getting recruited and hired to a company, say, pharma. Or would I hit a glass ceiling?

>>16898770
>graduate school is excessive for working in
you will need a PhD to do scientific work in any field. non-PhD is admin/business/technician roles only

>>16898851
no

>>16898813
engineering might be the exception depending on if you consider it a science. in any case, in chemistry, a PhD is expected and are a diamond dozen. If you do not get a PhD, you will always be a second class citizen.

>>16898770
Echoing that you should ask your PI whether you can work at the company and do an industry PhD in collaboration with the university.

>>16898765
High school teachers in German-speaking countries are extremely well-paid. You are basically unfirable, earn way above the median wage and your pension is based on your last wage, at the peak of your career.

>>16898952
engineers generally only have undergrad degrees, yes, but I specifically said "scientific" work

>>16898958
but if you can't fuck JK's what's the point

>>16898770
> think graduate school is excessive for working in organic synthesis, especially when most of the work comes down to following literature protocols and mixing reagents in round bottom flasks
I hear a lot of horror stories from organic synthesis labs. 60+ hour work weeks doing experiments only for most of them do not seem to work out and if you get a dead-end project, you will only know when it is too late.
>due to all the funding getting cut and I believe the PhD is going to be worth much less in the future
True. RnD departments are the first to get cut in the private sector and there are already more PhDs than industry, academic, government, etc. positions.

>>16898971
im not doing traditional organic synthesis its more physical organic type work where the culture is more relaxed and if all the experimental aims are not achieved we publish the paper in a lower impact journal and move on. We're not trying to get to a 20 step natural product and if one step fails the whole project collapses. Also these dead-end projects sometimes lead to the most impactful work. I read an article about David Macmillan and how he had a project running for like 20 years and he had to put it on hold every 5 years because students would spread rumors that it was a dead-end project and no one wanted to work on it. A first year grad student of his ended up solving the problem and publishing a science paper.

>>16899081
What's your end goal? Are you dead set on a career in the sciences or are you open to administrative, sales/business, or technician roles? Do you want to go into industry or academia?

>>16898851
Yes
I haven't gotten laid since (but tbf that was 1 month ago)

Well lads, I got my first job in the power industry formally, and under a PE nonetheless, decent pay and fully remote, so things are looking up, aside from moving closer to family and having a lower rent. The next step is to get my PE done this year, hopefully by October/November.

>>16898851
No.
I spent all my life following my childhood dream of becoming a researcher just to end up working as a frontend swe. I am as clueless as I ever was, I have nothing interesting to say.
I'm so developmentally stunted relationship-wise, that it's impossible for me to have a romantic relationship.
I won't kill myself, I will live the rest of life in misery and regret until i die a cold lonely death

>>16899528
Women don't really care about intelligence.

>>16898792
>Would first author high impact papers compensate for the lack of phd in synthetic chemistry?
If you can do first author high impact papers, you can do a PhD. The typical problem with industry is that you typically don't do any papers while you're just working a technical position for a business, because you're very busy and people who pay you your salary are very specific about what they pay it for (not papers).

>>16899544
A smart person would know how easy it is to manipulate people.
They would figure out how people are just probabilistic stateful input-output machines, they would figure the calculi of human communication and know exactly which sequence of words gives the desirable output with a \alpha-th confidence.
Forget looksmaxxing, If you are not hidden markov model maxxing your way into pussy you're ngmi

>>16899550
A smart person can also run a cost-benefit analysis and figure out that a wet hole is not worth the required effort and risk.

>>16899582
A mature smart person eventually realizes that he is a flawed wet machine of evolutionary spandrels that needs to constantly experience fulfilment of its innate primal desires to perform optimally so instead of fighting his nature he frequently administers a dosage of intimacy by way of sex, exchange of bodily fluids and pheromones, and heat through physical contact to keep his oxytocin at an optimal level.

I'm a slow life history strategist and chose electrical engineering as a betabux reproductive strategy, only to find that women don't care about betabux anymore and probably outearn me anyways with their HR lazy girl prostitute patronage network jobs.
I'm an elder millennial so my thinking was initially valid but by the time I graduated the world had changed.
I have to recalibrate now. Should I become a patent attorney? Then I would be high status and could get a gf.

>>16899544
It's actually even more severe than that, women generally select against intelligence from what I've seen.

Are there any jobs where you actually get to use advanced math?

>>16899390
Arranged marriage doesn't count.

>>16899680
All engineering and most tech jobs have "advanced math".
If its not novel then it's already implemented and there is no point in wasting company time on an inferior implementation.
If you want to work with novel then you have to work in research/r&d but you will have to compete with every savant genius in your country and prolly nearby ones for a like 2 open positions

>>16899550
>A smart person would know how easy it is to manipulate people.
A smart person can also have a sense of morality. In fact, the smartest person in the world (Jesus Christ) died a virgin.

>>16899685
>engineering and most tech jobs have "advanced math".
99% of engineers and codemonkeys never use anything beyond matrix computations, geometry and basic calculus on the job

chances are if you're doing anything fancier than that you're actually a researcher in an engineering field rather than simply an engineer

>>16899680
research in a math heavy field

>>16899729
I've used vector calculus during my internship.
None of the engineers at my workplace were referred to as "researchers". They're all just engineers who occasionally wore ESD lab coats.

Most engineers who work in the design side of RF have used more "advanced" math than what you've listed. You kinda have to when things go wrong and you try to go back to theory to understand what you've been overlooking.

>>16899729
You are "using" advanced math when you use programs for engineering stuff like fluid and structural stress simulation or even something as simple as matrix inversion or even SQL.
Even at a lower level, you are still "using" advanced math when use a package for kalman filters or whatever.
You are just not the one discovering and/or implementing it.

There is probably way more of the engineer's "eyeballing" novel "mathematics" on the field but it's a sin to do math without rigor, it's shameful and it makes god weep

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>>16899544
women select against intelligence

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>tfw you were too late for the hydrogen hype
>tfw can't make a startup from a clean energy PhD project anymore and scam VC investors for their money
what's even the point now

First two days of uni got cancelled because of snow. Work is still due. Bunch of other shit to worry about in this terrible existence. I'm losing my shit.

>>16899748
>You are "using" advanced math when you use programs for engineering stuff like fluid and structural stress simulation or even something as simple as matrix inversion or even SQL.
no, you're using tools that were developed by people using advanced math. it's not the same as using math yourself. the math never passes through your noggin, it only got instantiated in the brain of whoever came up with the algorithm (not even neccessarily in the people who wrote the tool by plugging and chugging some equations)

basically you are using static artifacts created through advanced math, not advanced math itself

>>16899742
>vector calculus
>advanced math
grow up
>RF
so what, applied Fourier, Laplace transforms, a bit of differential equations (solved by looking them up in a table), and using FEM tools?

you're not proving theorems as an engineer, stfu

>>16898956
>>16899098
Right now im on a very academic-oriented track where my undergraduate would get me into a big research program. Im dead set on doing science for a career. Looking into industry phds, looks like there are complaints about their lack of rigor and that would personally bother me if I did a phd simply for the letters and breaking the glass ceiling. For now I got hired into my PI's academic lab with a bachelors degree to do lab management, research, and training of new members. Our grants got cut because he wrote them with AI but he pulled funding out of his ass to hire me for a year. Im personally happy with my trajectory, so i'm sticking with academia until I get kicked out.

>>16900063
>Im dead set on doing science for a career.
then you will need a PhD, simple as

would you try to build a career in medicine without going to med school? become a pilot without going to flight school? a PhD is a professional cert same as any other

>>16900028
>you're not proving theorems as an engineer, stfu
Here's your answer. No employer is going to let you prove already proven statements or implement something already implemented on their pay.
You want to do something novel and that's only done in r&d/research.
Welcome to the club.
Come and join the rest of us in self loathing and self flagellating because we can't land a job in academia or industry

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>>16900197
I am not OP but curious what this third job state that isn't academia or industry is. Wagie fast food / retail ?

Sometimes after reading this general I feel great about my academic lab tech job. Quite frankly I do more design and engineering than most titled engineers I know (only outliers are nepo-gineers where their dad owns a EE outfit and they were basically groomed into it)

>>16899843
I used to be vexed by opinions like this but then I realised the people that believe this don't attend high ranking universities and are writing this from presumably some trap house somewhere and the women they are referring to have names like Latisha.

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Reminder that all posts pertaining to not being able to get laid / women etc. are made by third world beta males (or analogs) who existed in hyper competitive selection niches (cultures where girl babies are less desirable, great imbalance M/F) and now have access to the Internet / the west to spew their retarded opinions, smelling of entitlement to reproduce. It's honestly an epidemic. My universities gym is full of vanity-jeets and spergy asians who levitate like a homeless person memorized by a hot pie whenever a biological female is within a 100m radius.

>>16900204
They date me cause I'm charming and nice with it fool, now get to stepping.

>>16900206
Exactly. When you move in real intellectual or professional circles the game is different. But I wouldn't expect someone who lives in a favela or flyover country to ever really "get it".

>>16900209
I don't understand your point. People need to get more in touch with their spiritual side and not fall for the my le epic science will canonize me in the afterlife meme. The only legacy that matters is your children and anything else is a convoluted cope / mental gymnastics.

Honestly every juicer in my faculty has multiple kids and is quite normal. We have a pet asian who is a total sperg and hides in his own corner of the lab floor but prints papers / is a juicer and I'm quite sure even he has a wife.

>>16900202
Teaching is still going pretty strong. easy to get a job, stable, low stress, no need to live in a big city, ok pay, etc.
back in the day you got a dev job or a data scientist job, but we all know how tech jobs are doing rn.

One thing to keep in mind is that most people with phds are experts at self sabotage.

>>16900218
>muh chilluns
a scientist making a breakthrough discovery contributes orders of magnitude more to his genetic legacy than any number of children he could've realistically had

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>>16900246
>Le epic science contributes to your genetics
>didn't actually pass them down by reproducing
Are you this retarded lmao

>>16900209
This simply isn't true and you'd know this if you spent any time whatsoever around high performance individuals

>>16900203
I attend high ranking universities and also hold this opinion.
The one thing females dislike is unsocialized males and most academically successful people are at some point of their lives unsocialized males.
They're the child prodigies that skipped like 5 grades or something, the tryhards that spend 16 hours studying, the autists (not clinically, but spiritually) that are hyperfixated on a topic, etc.
Their romantic naivety and underdeveloped charisma are female repellentz

fuck foids.
drop your workflow/setup.

mine is:
>Zotero for references
>Zettlekasten notes in Obsidian with zotero, pdf annotation and git sync plugins
>Notion with outlook calendar integration for todo lists and calendar (i couldn't figure out how to do this in obsidian snd it syncs better with my phone)
>Jupyter notebook in vscode for code
The last two parts are the most finicky but I can't figure out a better way to do it.
It would be nice if i could link notes to runnable code blocks

>>16900203
>opinions
>believe
this is just data. didn't you go to high school or college? you should've seen this data play out every day. every data dump about dating, from okcupid to tinder, has been completely uninteresting and unsurprising to me, it's been obvious from the beginning if you paid any attention at all.

>>16900287
>Obsidian
Is this even remotely useful for mathematics/physics? Or field are you in?

>>16900303
It's note taking and managing software why wouldn't it be useful?

>>16900272
This notion that people who are successful intellectually must be deficient in some other way is both a frankly pathetic cope and also runs contrary to what we know about biological fitness if we are being honest.

>>16900299
See this is what I'm talking about. High flying people assertively mate at college, they aren't trawling apps in between parlays on kalshi and ordering wingstop. You don't know this because you simply are not in the class of people.

>>16900345
*Assortively.

>>16900303
I use it for math (mathematical statistics to be specific).
It has mathjax so you can write equations with latex.
The zettlekasten method helps when you have a lot of ideas that are connected. You have to write a self contained note for each new idea and link it to older ones. It forces you to think in a certain way to be able to write notes.
Index notes and tags help tame the chaos.
I can with the press of a button see every single theorem, every definition, every probability theory note, every statistic, etc, I have learned in the last 4 years.

>>16900343
>This notion that people who are successful intellectually must be deficient in some other way is both a frankly pathetic cope and also runs contrary to what we know about biological fitness if we are being honest
I didn't make any statement about genetics or biology.
I said that the people who are academically successful because they were child prodigies or because they spend all their time studying or because they have autism-like hyperfixation suffer with women because of their lack of socialization which leads to underdeveloped social skills.
This is a societal issue, not a biological fitness one. In theory a person might have child prodigy genetics but live a perfectly normal life without any academic success because of how their parents raised them and how they were socialized.

>>16900248
your golf club are not "high performance individuals", the smelly jeet from hyderabad who income mogs you despite starting off 10000x poorer is

>>16900247
>doesn't know how population genetics work
most of your ancestors haven't directly contributed any DNA sequences to your genome, retard

any random person on the street is like 99.9% genetically similar to you.

>>16900387
The selfish gene and its consequences have been a disaster on the worldview of midwits.

>>16898770
>>16900063
Anon I definitely would advise you take up on the industrial offer, with even the possibility of doing an industrial PhD. You could change your mind about academia (which a lot of people who went into a PhD have done) and at least by then you have industry skills to fall back on. You don't even have to think of the startup as a forever job. From my experience, startups tend to be less stable and tend to fail within 10 years but at least there are a lot of opportunities to learn new skills, a ton of technical skills, and even a good payout by the end.

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>>16900287
hep-th guy here
>one of my previous paper bibtex for references (check inspirehep/google for publicaiton updates before publishing)
>Notability for annotating papers, pictures of blackboard and Mathematica notebooks for notes
>Overleaf or texstudio for writing papers
>ios calendar for calendar

I just write long notes on my code instead, and refer to the filename of the notebook in my notes

>>16900444
What if I was affiliated with my PI's academic lab but hired on startup funding. Would this count as the prized industrial experience? There's this notion that im getting that working in an academic lab only prepares you for more academia and is not viewed as real experience by the industry. Would the funding source modify the perception of my work experience to be industry work experience? Also since my PI is not an organic chemist and his startup is not directly in organic synthesis, there is a possibility I could get outsourced to a CRO. Would this be good industrial experience? I've been reading around and see that roles in a CRO are much less desirable than biopharma for a chemist but they are jobs taken by even PhD graduates who couldn't make it into biopharma after their doctorate.

>>16900385
>>16900369
You guys are in for a very rude awakening when you leave undergrad, I'll just say that...

>>16900615
>leave undergrad
I have a PhD lmao. My field (robotics) is full of dysgenic troglodytes. The "high performer" golf club types you pretend lead the field are generally managers and businessmen while all the groundbreaking papers get published by dysgenic shitskin manlets from China and the fecal subcontinent at MIT, Berkeley, ETH and EPFL

>>16900533
>hep-th guy
Do you use a lot of noncommutative algebras in your work?

>>16900793
You don't get it do you. These guys make the magic happen and the aforementioned golf clubs types reap the rewards. Also congrats on staying in school most of your life.

>>16900793
>is full of dysgenic troglodytes.
Your brain is rotten with 4chan lingo and blackpill shit.
These people most likely look normal and average, as is expected.
Look at fields medalists for example, retards here would call them ugly when they are just average normal unremarkable (lookswise) people

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>>16900805
just Weyl algebras in some computational work, there are good Mathematica/Macaulay2/Sage packages for dealing with these, because they're not "too non-commutative," i.e. they're Ore algebras, so lots of the wisdom of commutative algebra (e.g. Noetherianity, existence of Groebner bases, algorithms...) still works easily for these

>>16895262
>clean room process engineering
If you can manage to get a chemistry job outside of GMP you'll be able to prove yourself easier with side projects and other shit. GMP facilities make it difficult to do anything off the record or outside the bounds of SOP crap. However, knowing aseptic technique and GMP (particularly the standards of GDP in a facility like that) and knowing how to deal with audits can be heplful

>>16898770
You can get a good job in the industry with just a BS if you work for the big two US companies that make fine chemicals. Pay well into the 30s/hr in a LCOL but a PhD opens you up to pharma chemist jobs and research. Depends on what you really want. If you want to do research at all, PhD, if you want money just get into sigma or thermo and work your way up

>>16898952
Outside of GMP manufacturing if you can get into small scale synthesis and prove your understanding of theory you can make a lucrative career for yourself as a chemist with a BS. Just dont expect to get into R&D or PD with the six figure salary off the rip

>>16901480
I considered going to sigma straight after my BS, but my PI recommended me against that because it sucks ass to work your way up like that.

I've come to realize that pursuing a career in not-computers STEM means being stuck with mid five figures salary for the rest of existence and that this income level is insufficient for anything but a student standard of living. This realization came too late to choose a different path.

For these crimes I will ritualistically slice open my abdomen.

I so fucking grateful my advisor dropped me from their Masters program. Grad school is a cult. Sorry not sorry.

>>16901574
industry experience at a very well known and respected company is worth an awful lot; even a year or two at a place like that along with grad school makes you much more competitive than most, especially postdoc sneeds who thought they had no other option

I wonder why nobody talks about being an actuary in these threads. You have to start early, but it’s a very defined, stable and well paid career path if you have the ability.

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I'm 37. Is it too late to became a scientist?

>>16902428
What's your background?

I'd say it is too late to have a successful career as a scientist. But you likely would be able to get a PhD position or a postdoc, which would fall under the definition of "scientist".

how the fuck did you guys learn simulation tools? Like every stem job requires knowing some fem tools but I have nothing and trying to learn from free software has been a massive pain the ass as a linux user.

>>16902434
>What's your background?
PhD mathematician and R&D Engineer.

>>16902498
step 1: install the tool
step 2: spend approx 9000 hours bashing your head against the wall until something works

t. have managed to get FEM stress and deformation analysis to work in FreeCAD (but no idea if the results are trustworthy)

>>16900823
>congrats on staying in school most of your life.
so you don't even have a PhD? wtf are you even arguing here, you're not performing anything at all
>reap the rewards
nobody cares. go play with your balls, "achiever"-kun.

>>16899599
You won't become a patent attorney

>>16899599
>I have to recalibrate now.
It is best to get out of tech before you are 35.
>Should I become a patent attorney?
Sure, why not? Job security is still rather good, though AI is breathing down out necks.
>Then I would be high status
I guess. Salary isn't shabby.
>and could get a gf.
Not guaranteed.

t.European patent attorney

>>16902886
Don't give up, anon.

>>16902212
Because there is no reason to complain if everything is going well.
Statistics in general is pretty good careerwise, but math autists think it's not "pure enough" and instead study category theory and expect a job in category theory

>>16903255
>Because there is no reason to complain if everything is going well.
This. Every kind of work NOT mentioned in this thread should be targeted aggressively.

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One thing I wish I had been more aware of when starting out was how bad the pigeonholing is in tech.

Especially if you do a non-vocational degree like physics, you see people going to all sorts of industries and sectors afterwards. It seems like there's a lot of options, and in a way there are. Even applies after a PhD, of course you're somewhat specialized but it is overwhelmingly unlikely that you will find a job doing exactly your thesis topic anyway.

But after you get your first real job, that all changes. Nobody gives a shit about your previous background or degrees anymore. You're too old/experienced for grad jobs, and the only way to get hired for other jobs is to basically get a job doing what you already have been doing and shown you can do.

So if your first job is bad, or maybe more importantly if the skills it gives you are in a sector that is not in high demand or does not command high salaries, then your career is dead forever.

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Famous American-Romanian Mathematician/Biologist from princeton has been pimping out some her students to Jeffrey Epstein.

If you ever come across people engaging in prostitution ringe during your academic career?

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Even the PIs are giving up now

>>16903389
>legal-age women deliberately being whores for rich and powerful men
Shock and horror. JFC, who actually cares.

>>16903433
>pimping out your own students to the head of a global pedophilia ring for money is not violating basic academic ethical standards.

Why are you so invested in normalizing these transgressions?

>>16903439
I didn't say it's not violating basic academic ethical standards. I just find it funny that you think women being whores and "madames" even in academia is anywhere near the most remarkable ethics violating the Cult of Academia has to offer. What about rampant scientific fraud? What about brainwashing an entire population into insane and self-destructive beliefs based on pseudoscience?

>>16903439
to be honest, I couldn't care less about this.

>>16895370
nigga i worked with that shit in a pool supply store

>>16900287
I remember everything and when I actually read a paper instead of just looking at the figures I print it, staple it together and throw it on a pile.

physics bachelors here. i dont want to fight thousands of applicants for programmer, data scientist, ai/ml engineer roles with zero experience.
whats the next trend in tech that hasnt been run through yet?

>>16894981
What kind of courses should I take if I want to invent claytronics?

I want to work on graphics research but literally no one works on it anymore. What's the most similar field?

>>16894981
Is graduate position mostly just waiting?

I'm academic semiconductor physicist turned optical engineer anon. Posted my CV here once or twice.

Decided current job is a dead end. Company won't go anywhere, role and compensation are unenticing and won't improve. The pigeon hole I'm being shoved into is not good, similar jobs in other companies are badly paid. Time to pivot.

Quantum computing may be a grift, but at least it's better paid and possibly more interesting. Willing to relocate UK/Europe quite broadly. At this point I'm willing to get paid shit to work on something interesting, or to work on something uninteresting if paid even decently. Currently badly paid and working on dumb things.

Physics background and plenty of experience with experiments and building optics systems, including some industry equipment. Though mostly on semiconductors and characterization side. Do I have realistic chances for pivoting? And is this an even bigger career trap.

>>16905200
To add, probably could look for senior researcher/engineer level positions if relevant to current experience. Willing to do lower level shit in different industry, likely will still be paid similar to now.

>>16902724
I have a PhD. That's how I know what's up. Get to stepping fool.

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I'm close to finishing my math degree. What are some comfy applied math jobs that would be worth looking into if I don't want to go into rote programming or data science?

>>16905923
>math degree
Who wants to tell him?

>>16905923
>if I don't want to go into rote programming or data science?
You should be BEGGING to get these jobs. You should be sending thousands of applications and licking every taint possible just to get an interview for these jobs.
You think have a choice you naive spoiled brat fuck?

>>16906255
Dont be so nasty. He just a little kid oblivious to reality.

>>16905923
It never even began, retrain as an engineer immediately

>>16906304
>>16905923
1 year post-bacc + some kind of engineering degree is probably your best bet.

>>16906255
> one should beg for programming jobs
There are probably people who unironically think this

>>16905923
Finance, quant

I’m a licensed engineer, 17 states last time I checked. I don’t do anything. Our local junior engineers with our standard template calculation sheet. All our drafters are pajeets working remotely in bengaluru with one guy my age fixing their fuck ups with me spending an hour a week in a teams design review meeting where I *checks notes* haven’t had to say a fucking word in 2 months besides “looks good” or “thanks”.

I work from home most days. Mostly end up laying on the couch until I can find a spot in outlook between teams meetings to go hit the gym. I’m fucking bored but I’ve supposedly “made it”. Golden handcuffs they say to me, enjoy it they say, you’ve earned it. But it’s all so bleak.

>>16906255
>>16906300
It's not 2013 anymore you retards.

got accepted into grad school
wgmi bros

>>16906333
Yeah bro just get some of the most sought after jobs on earth. Easy.

The faang internship nightmare ends today. I will never tempt fate like that again amen and god bless and love and light to you friends.

>>16906730
nyc isn't "the earth"

>>16906735
Are trying to piss me off or something? Apologise immediately for posting this.

>>16906735
All the firms doing cutting edge "quant" are in nyc.
Your local bank or investment firm is doing the good ol' historical volatility= risk, financials and macro indicators portfolio optim that can been done by your average econ or finance major (it's most likely the business faggot that got the job from his dad)

>>16906688
>It's not 2013 anymore you retards
Tech jobs are still one of the best jobs you can get.
Plenty of work from home, good salaries, good established standards for everything, high autonomy, the overall "tech workspace" culture, etc.
The people that burn out do so because they care too much and don't view work as low maintenance passive income

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>The entire bottom of petrochem industry fell out.
>Companies asking for minimum 5yrs of experience for an entry level position.
>Dow, Lyondell, Saudi Aramco, CP Chem, Valero, and so on are mass cutting jobs. Meaning all the petrochem process engineering jobs are going to be even more competitive and oversaturated.
>Going over to biomed, automotive, and semifab are almost impossible.
>Apparently defense is the only industry to go into as a chemical engineer.
>It's highly competitive since MechEs and IEs are also vying for those positions.
I guess it's time to make an extensive project portfolio so I have some fighting chance of getting a damn interview.

>>16906957
>getting into petrochem
>after peak oil
>while the number of engineering degrees is still increasing

>>16907182
just join someone else who uses similar techniques and responds promptly to your email inquiry, im the above recently graduated chem degree and had an organic prof laugh in my face and tell me to fuck off, now im being offered a position at a startup company and publishing first author papers. It's a sign you're on the right track.

I've been browsing career and engineering subreddits. The amount of posts I've seen from underemployed/unemployed engineer grads makes me feel better about my choice of choosing a less lucrative major. They were shitting on science majors for only getting lab monkey jobs but now THEY'RE THE ONES doing these lowly QA/QC lab jobs. it doesn't matter what degree you have now, we're all fucked!

I just remembered that post about getting a tattoo for applying to a PhD.

>>16907308
I'm gonna get the axe thing from turok evolution on the ps2 to celebrate battering my PhD supervisor for the crime of giving all the best research projects to other people

>>16907308
>>16907312

For me it'll be the jared leto joker tattoos, can't make me any more unemploable than my STEM degree

>>16907352
Mom's gonna freak when she hears I wasted my youth learning symplectic group theory instead of spreadsheet

>>16906957
>defense is the only industry for ChemE
Blatantly false. A lot of them design chemical plants for shit like sulfuric acid which has a lot of uses.

My h-index is 5. Is this bad?

>>16903445

Willing to violate basic ethical standards is an indication that they will violate other standards. The difference for academia is that they can use fancier words to justify their unethical behaviors.

>>16907541
The mathematicians will inherit all bibliometrics

>>16907541
Mine 3. FUCK FUCK FUCK IM SUCH A FUCKIJG FAILURE FUCK EVERYTHING

>>16907541
>>16907574
That's fine for undergraduate, don't panic.

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Bachelor's degree in math.
What would be the most stress-free and employable masters degree I could add now?

>>16907871
>Bachelor's degree in math.
Grim. My deepest condolences.
>What would be the most stress-free and employable masters degree I could add now?
Statistics? Or maybe do some kind of post-bacc to get into a MSEE.

>>16907871
Actuary science or whatever your uni calls it

>no phd interview invite yet
am i boned?

>>16907875
> waiting for as long as possible before giving any reply
I'm gonna be honest I believe they do that on purpose to phd interviewees. Just for the lulz.

>>16907746
I'm a graduate student finishing his PhD, and now also his life.

I'm too autistic for sex. What STEM subject should I study?

>>16907541
>>16907574
>>16907746

h-index takes time to build up even if you have the papers. I had an h-index of like 4 out of PhD, during postdoc it went to maybe 8 while I was at my peak output, it's now 12 and probably going to get to 16-20 over the next few years, despite being out of academia and not writing new papers for years already.

Just one of the reasons why it's a flawed metric.

>>16907899
Trust me nobody is citing the absolute turds I've been forced to publish by my so-called supervisor. Oh why must I be so betrayed by coworkers... Fate...

My supervisor is a rahtid battybwoy agent of Babylon

>>16898765
>having to go through the TA-like female hell forever
>now, with pedo-charge flavouring

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>have a Physics PhD
>finish a postdoc with some more papers
>land a startup job that I enjoy (the pay might've been better though)
>think I am doing alright, could be worse
>stumble upon this thread
>apparently I fucked up on every second step and it's literally so over it never began

>>16907973
People who are even moderately successful don't generally post here. The regulars here are either mentally ill, losers or mentally ill losers.

>>16902428
>37
Scientist is a young guy ripping his ass for that comfy professor position with like 5 openings a year. If you were not running since 27, you will never catch up.
Get out of tech and become a manager. They literally pick their nose the whole day after replying to 2 emails, while being paid 4x the engineer's rate.

>>16907974
fuck you if you had to live my life for even a second youd kill yourself.

chat can i do Mech E with an iq of 110?

>>16907980
Do you mind designing air conditioning systems and toilets for the rest of your life?

>>16907993
He is aiming to be a MechE after all

Should I quiet quit my job and do an online MSc in Physics instead?

Stress from doing a PhD has led to me being diagnosed with female autism and male pcos.

>>16908092
And early onset male menopause to boot.

>>16907895
Mathematical Physics

>>16907895
Try to stay away from lab sciences if you are autistic, especially larger labs that are highly micromanagey and social. Those labs sniff out autists like blood hounds and place targets on your back.

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>>16908135
This
t. math phys khhv

What if I want to go from a bachelors in mathematics directly into a chemical engineering PhD (don't ask why). Should I self study and do 2 years as a paid lab/research assistant via a multidisciplinary professor that I know or do a Master's at another uni since its not being offered at my current one?

>>16908320
Do you have any ChemE labs or research groups in mind?

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>>16907239
Yeah I think the STEM field (besides medicine) is not looking to good at the moment and there does not seem to be any signs of it improving any time soon. I am in a PhD program at the moment and I have been making moves to switch career fields before it is too late.

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>>16903416
This post is an advertisement of a company he co-founded so take that post with a grain of salt. Also, 19 publications in 4 years is a suspicious amount of publications, especially if they are first-name.

>>16908382
I know what I want to research, but I am not sure if I have the wet lab and technical experience to even get to the interview phase

>>16908413
>5 first-name publications per year
Is this the power of ChatGPT?

>>16908413
Don't ask questions, goy

Just got the call. I just faked my way into a working student job at a top tier non-defense engineering company (tens of billions in annual revenue) and I studying a natural science.

I have 3 months to become a matlab/simulink/control engineering god.

I know some python and barely passed differential equations.

Is this achievable?

>>16909379
What is your background exactly? The basics of control engineering aren't that hard especially if you are a junior engineer. But if you are working on some complex system you are fucked. Pray to god a PI controller will work.

Also matlab is Python for brainlets so that won't be a problem.

>>16909476
I have a chemistry background (not even ChemE) and faked my way into an EV engineering student job.

For the past four years of my life I have been under profound and total psycho-spiritual assault by a cabal of the world's most powerful and evil people, who have made it their mission to fuck with me personally. As time has gone on it has only gotten worse and worse. But through the power of belligerence and stubbornness I will prevail. This is my story.

>>16908398
What is your plan exactly?

I want to know and understand EVERYTHING.
I get dopamine rewards when I learn something new and feel discomfort when I encounter something I don't know or understand.
I spend my free time and procrastinate by reading random wikipedia articles, abstracts and books.
Yesterday I read about the ithkuil language, a chechen warlord called shamil basayev and lattice statistics.
I have an obsidian vault with over 20 000 notes of everything i learned in the last 2 years because it's become so bad I can't recall shit.
I think that I'm the archetypal medieval scholar bookrat, What's the best modern career for me?

>>16909617
> faked my way into an EV engineering student job.
How?

I'm also in Chem but have applied to "engineering" type jobs where they broadly ask for backgrounds from ChemE, Chemistry, Physics, MSE, etc and I never get hired.

>>16909879
Homelessness

>>16895262
you'll never have it as good as in the polymer lab ever again

>>16903289
incredibly based post. if you have a generalist first position it is even weirderz you stay in limbo forever

>>16903416
i had a Chinese postdoc buddy who is now a an AssProf in Shanghai, he published a paper every week. he's an uncritical midwit who has mastered the style of paper writing but will never check a calculation or argument

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>>16898782
>>16898813
>>16898956
>>16898971
>>16900444
>>16901480
Just had another shitshow experience with academia. My PI walks up to me this past Friday and tells me to start booking hours on the payroll. This Monday at 9 pm I get a call not from the PI but from a staff scientist saying im laid off due to the funding not being available to pay staff. PI didn't even email me or meet with me in person to tell me I'm laid off. Not really surprising honestly, my PI has a reputation for asshole behavior, he's removed first authorship from his post doc for spectra not being high enough quality even though its not a spectroscopy paper. Fuck his startup company and im just glad he's not a phd advisor. This guy has a phd in quantum mechanics im hired and fired at the same time until he observes my contract and im fired

>>16909879
>everything i learned in the last 2 years because it's become so bad I can't recall shit
then you didn't learn it
learning is the ability to recall

>>16910175
The last sentence, if it's a sentence, doesn't make sense.

>>16910175
>academia
Hahahahha

>>16909379
>Is this achievable?
Yes but it will be 3 very brutal months. I had a similar scheme to learn digital signal processing, starting with a PhD in experimental physics where averaging was all we needed.
Please keep us all updated, for this will be quite the journey.

Don't keep us updated, that guy's wrong, we don't give a shit about this. Come back when you've developed some humility for once in your life and are willing to post about your failures.

what do you guys think is it worth spending 4 years on a physics phd? Its paid 60% so you barely get 2000€ net but have to work more than 40h a week.

>>16910180
It's not that simple.
I need to get into the specific line of thought i had when i learned something to recall it.
I can't just recall something out of the blue on the spot

>>16910434
>what do you guys think is it worth spending 4 years on a physics phd? Its paid 60% so you barely get 2000€ net but have to work more than 40h a week.

I dunno bro it depends. 2000e is a lot in my eastern european shithole but it might be too low for you.

I personally think it's not a bad thing but keep your options open. Learn some engineering skills preferably not just quant or being a code monkey but something with actual prospects.

Any experience with PhD CS in ETH Zürich?

>>16910466
>in ETH Zürich
nigga it doesn't matter what you do at that point you got fucking ETHZ on your CV

go spend your time and money on albanian hookers or some shit

>>16910465
its a experimental physics position in Germany in a semi conductor adjacent field. I don't know it sounds worthless spending 4-5 years on it since I am already over 30. The only nice thing would be getting to tinker with all kinds of neat high tech stuff...

>>16910468
What if I've also gotten into MIT EECS, but no one there works in things I am interested in?

>>16910541
idk wtf are you doing here, nigger? not looking for advice that's for sure. congratulations on being born with a silver spoon up your ass

>>16910434
>Its paid 60%
Germany? Heard physics phds have it hard, got a 100% offer in CS.

>>16910466
you have a CV that can get you there? last time I checked, like 70% of the phd studentes there just so also happened to have been master's students there.

>>16910541
then why would you go there retard-kun?

>>16910541
I would shave my testicles with a rusty razor like a kebab and eat them to get a chance of getting into into mit. And you're here saying they don't do what you like?
Nigga gtfo bibyau

Are there good jobs in Houston?

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Kinda stressing about a potential apprenticeship opportunity as its for a "mineral products technician" due to lack of information on the salary for the position since there is barely any reliable info. I am also a bit worried that i'll be pigeon holing myself due its specialisation and will be forced to remain with that company due to how niche the role is & how niche the pathway I will be going down is aswell.

>>16910484
Why'd you ever consider doing a PhD after 30 as a male? Aren't you supposed to have a family with kids by that point? You got no time to play around for a minimum wage. Also
>Germany
It'll take 5y at least. Midlife crisis while being at risk of failing your work of many years sounds like hell.

Debating leaving comfy boring environmental gubbaman job to become an Agilent service chud. Driving around to fix bozo’s stuff sounds like a lot more fun that walking around in the underground tunnels three hours a day

>>16909696
>Welcome to Jackass

I like teaching more than research.

On the Praia de copacabana a young man with a sickening prison yard physique slaps his supervisor so hard he dies instantly. All the while Christ the Redeemer looks on, and sheds a tear for a young man persecuted to such an extent that his only recourse was to freakish and overwhelming violence.

>>16910181
It does make sense. He's saying that he is in a superposition of being hired and fired until his contract is observed. It's a run-of-the-mill QM joke.

>>16910668
>then why would you go there retard-kun?
I wouldn't. My point was prestige of ETH Zürich is meaningless when I can go to MIT.

>>16910434
PhDs are basically never financially worth it. If your objective is to make more money you will get more by just working in most white-collar careers for the equivalent time.

It can be worth it if it enables you to pursue a career you personally like and that would otherwise not be available to you.

>>16910468
>nigga it doesn't matter what you do at that point you got fucking ETHZ on your CV

Uni name alone doesn't really get you far.

t. /scg/ regular and top uni careercel

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>>16911012
How? I liked it at first, but the students are starting to get to me. Students do not even take notes anymore, they just record you teaching or sit there and take a picture of the lecture notes after; they also do classwork with ChatGPT. I hate teaching in the inner city. I hate teaching lower income immigrants.
It's like pic rel but for college.

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What do you guys think about career at Walter P Moore?

>>16911364
Still naive I guess. The majority are apathetic, but those who aren't make interactions worthwhile.

>>16911491
Maybe you teach at a somewhat decent place.

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>>16909725
I am enlisting in the military; I am already in the Delayed Entry Program. I am still doing rotation in other labs ever since my former PI fired me just in case I do not get booked with a good job, but unless a lab unlocks the inner Jimmy Neutron or Walter White inside me, I am dead set on the military.
If you or anyone else has a better idea on a better career field to switch to, feel free to give it.

Haven't found a PhD in 6 months, I'm 6 months unemployed. But then again it's harder to find a PhD after 30.

>>16910832
I have a family and the mortgage rate is low so the monthly costs aren't high

No one told me how bad dating would be as a grad student (third year PhD student). I've reached the point where the dating apps say there's no one left nearby. Is it over for me?

I kinda regret not applying to more programs this cycle. I only applied to 4 and worked on my applications in the span of 2 months, so I felt somewhat unprepared. I meant to apply to more (my initial list was like 10 schools) but I just felt "meh" about the research interests in the faculty and I didn't wanna waste another $100 for each. I'm ngmi...

>>16911648
Dating apps are designed to keep people using the app - forever. Finding someone is not part of the business plan. You are better off looking elsewhere.

How do I go to Switzerland to do a PhD?

How do I become a patent troll so I can become the evil twin of patent attorney anon like an anime.

>>16912296
I hate that bastard. Always jingling his keys in front of us, telling us we can be just like him. YOU AIN'T NEVER GONNA BE A PATENT ATTORNEY.

>>16911796
Are at least one of the schools you applied for a safety school?

>>16907874
>stress free
>Actuary

Does having multiple degrees increase my odds of getting into a phd position at a better uni?
I've taken alot of extra courses and have 1 semester worth of courses left to get a 2nd bachelor's degree in mathematics.
My first bachelor's was in CS and I am currently doing a master's in ML.

>>16912325
Elobrate.
You just do some basic math and raise the premiums of single mothers and that's it

>>16912548
Multiple MSc's maybe. Not BSc's I would imagine.

Is applied physics a meme? This guy is asking me to find him a job at my company. He's been unemployed since graduating in 2023. I asked several managers and none of them were interested. I told him I'd help but I don't know what to do now. Sounds brutal.

>>16912914
defense

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>mfw the hiring committee at my department passed on 3 candidates from global t20 universities
>unwritten requirement is knowing the local language because undergrad courses are taught in it.
>pooinloos and changs filtered
Seems like learning bullshit northern yuropeean languages is the meta now

>>16913320
are you retarded? they will always require you to learn the local language

>>16913320
I'm so jealous of anyone who's native language isn't English at this point, it's like a cheat code for filtering nons.

>>16912241
It's not that. I'm not what you would consider conventionally attractive, but I didn't have much trouble getting matches during the first year of my PhD. Now that I'm in my third year, the dating pool has shrunk dramatically. Doesn't help that I'm at a midwest state school in the middle of nowhere.

>>16912296
>How do I become a patent troll
That is pretty hard these days, major actors such as Intellectual Ventures are not very active compared to a decade ago.

>>16912307
Have you even tried? Or did you apply for a job as an Examiner? EPO also has internships.