This tiny thing will divide and divide into 35 trillion cells organized in all kinds of structures, functional organs, senses, a brain that can think and understand things about the universe, with instinctive behaviours, etc, etc...But it contains an equivalent of only 750 Mb of information. Like an old cd. Fuck.
>>16897413After hearing flat earthers and moon landing hoax people speak, I'm not all that impressed with the output of that 750 Mb set of IKEA instructions.
>>16897418XDUpvoted.
>>16897413it's around 750MB, not Mb
>>16897413emergent properties mostlycomplexity grows fast as fuck when number of system components grows. look at stupid logistic map. dumbass iterated equation and look what complex shit comes out of it. now take many many many neurons put together into higher order structuresoh and splicing. per every gene you get asston of transcript combinations
>>16897413>it contains an equivalent of only 750 Mb of informationThis, of course, is completely wrong and demonstrates the fallacy behind all biology-as-computation analogies. "Information" doesn't exist objectively. That zygote contains as much information as you care to read into it. DNA doesn't do any of this:>divide and divide into 35 trillion cells organized in all kinds of structures, functional organs, senses, a brain that can think and understand things about the universe, with instinctive behaviours, etc, etc...There is much, much, much more to a cell than DNA. Any question you can ask about it is information you can gain.
>>16897413https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrulation
>>16897489There is an automatic process that transforms that zygote into a full grown creature. That process is directed by the DNA, that is why each species and individual in them has it. A dog's dna doesnt produce a human and viceversa.The mistery comes from realising that the amount of information contained in the dna is very small compared with the complexity of the full grown creature.So if the information is not in the dna where is it?
>>16897481Correct, my bad
>>16897500>So if the information is not in the dna where is it?I literally just fucking told you where it is.
>>16897505You didnt, you just said that information doesnt exist and that dna doesnt do it. That is retarded.
>>16897500Regulatory elements, epigenetics, histone markers, chromatin superstructure, protein pathways ... can cram a lot of complexity if your "book" codes on several distinct yet interconnected layers at once.
>>16897513See >>16897489>There is much, much, much more to a cell than DNA. Any question you can ask about it is information you can gain.I can't believe how retarded almost all of you are. It's surreal. Niggers can't even read.
>>16897529Don't waste your time, most of these people have probably heard of Denis Noble from that horrible Professor Dave video. No one here is interested in new paradigm research.
>>16897529> Any question you can ask about it is information you can gain.First of all that is grammatically incorrect, it should be 'you can get' not 'you can gain'. So learn to write before criticising people's reading abilities.But then you dont specify anything. You say that there is more information but you dont explain where exactly it is or how it works.
>>16897539You're a complete imbecile.
>>16897529also it should be 'its information' not 'it is information'.retard
>>16897541>t. mentally ill retard
>>16897540Why should i be an imbecile because your ambiguous low iq posts?Imagine denying dna information and then not explaining how a zygote becomes a full specific creature with unique characteristics.
>>16897544>>16897540When you start insulting you prove that you dont know what are you talking about.
>>16897545>Why should i be an imbecileProbably some kinda damage to the floppy disk storing all your information.>Imagine denying dna informationThat's just your reading comprehension failing again.
>>16897547I'm talking about something almost trivial: if you want to know how the comparatively small amount of DNA data translates into an actual cell, you need to ask the cell. Only the cell can give you that information.
>>16897548You just cant handle being proven false. You said that dna doesnt do it and information doesnt exist then you refuse to explain what directs the process and then start chimping out.You are just too low iq for this board.
>>16897551You mean translates into a full grown being composed of 30 trillion cells, not into an actuall cell.What does mean 'ask the cell'? Do you realise you are not making any sense?
>>16897557>What does mean 'ask the cell'?See >>16897489, brown ESL.
>>16897563Proceeds to make reference to something that doesnt explain anything and doesnt make sense either. Ask the cell. > Hey cell! Are you going to become a dog or a cat? > Look at my dna idiot. I have dog dna what the fuck am i supposed to become? A fucking watermelon??
>>16897580>believes DNAs are blueprintsNTA but you are dumb as fuuuuck
>>16897582I see the dna as the element that 'directs' the whole thing, like a set of instructions that tell the organism how to develop. How a single cell can become a full grown organism with and equivalent of 750 MB of information is quite amazing.How do you see the dna fit into this process then?You are very pretentious when you criticise but dont give your own view.
You know those old, mechanical music boxes that had a cylinder inside them with bumps to indicate the pitch and timing of the notes? Imagine a Victorian factory using this principle to automate all of its machinery: a specific, meticulously engineered array of lathes, mills, planers, drills, presses, hammers, elevators, conveyor belts, whatever. Something like a combined CNC/assembly machine capable of creating complex, mechanical objects, using a giant cylinder to orchestrate the operations. One day the factory burns down, almost completely, into a pile of ashes, with the plans and the architect inside. Nothing survives but the cylinder programming its latest product. Given only the cylinder and no other knowledge, would you be able to use its "information" to figure out what it would have produced? Information is the resolution of uncertainty. For the factory, the cylinder used to resolve any uncertainty as to what any of its parts would be doing at any point in the process. But for you? It resolves no uncertainty, except for whether or not there is a bump at a given spot. The data does not contain the information you need. The uncertainties you face could only have been resolved by inspecting the workings of the factory. The information was embodied by the factory.This is all relatively obvious, except in that the morons who prattle about information, rarely know what that word really means in any serious context. Now here's what boggles my mind: if I told you the factory was so insanely complex that it could even recreate itself, and the surviving cylinder told it how to do so, you jump to the conclusion that all the information about the factory is on the cylinder and babble about the paradox that such a simple cylinder can turn into a self-replicated factory.
>>16897586That is all useless babble. An inductive process that would guess how an object could have been produced has nothing to do with a single cell becoming a specific creature. The proof is that there are many creatures each one with their differnt dna that correlates with it, so the information is in the dna.
>>16897591You're a mentally ill retard and I wasn't addressing you.
>>16897592You seem to be sniffing glue everyday and i am addresing you.
>>16897596See >>16897592
>>16897598Yeah run away and try to hide you coward.
>>16897607>Yeah run away and try to hide you coward.Hide what? I've illustrated OP's mistake in a way even a child could grasp and it's up for all to see: >>16897586
>>16897591>The proof is that there are many creatures each one with their differnt dna that correlates with it, so the information is in the dna.What a stupid conclusion to derive from that.
Some information must be made en route. It must hold the maximums from happening from an expansion.
>>16897413Nope, most of the information is offloaded in he environment and brought about through interaction. What that 750mb gets you is a minimal bootstrapping system that downloads everything OTA
>>16897747>What a stupid conclusion to derive from that.The retard straight up didn't read the post he replied to. In the analogy he's "refuting" his argument translates into:>there are many factory products each one with their different cylinder that correlates with it, so the information is in the cylinder Literally just the mistake being illustrated in the first place.
>>16897489What kind of retarded subhuman are you?Completely devoid of IQ and logic.So if it's not in the genome or epigenome, where the fuck is the information?Retard!
>>16898007>angry brownoid screechingSee >>16897586 although I'm sure you're gonna get filtered even by this child-friendly illustration.
>>16898008That is all retarded nonsense.Information is objective and related to entropy.What the fuck is that retarded story you made up?
>>16898010See >>16898008> I'm sure you're gonna get filtered even by this child-friendly illustration
>>16897413that's right. it does what you fucking tell it.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdfReE0qds
>>16898013Stop posting links to your retarded babble replies.You have proven nothing, and you are totally ignorant on how entropy works.The burned factory has less information, higher entropy, your ridiculous story or "illustration" or whatever your childlish mind calls it has nothing to do with the aforementioned DNA/cell information example.You're a huge retard.
>>16898015See >>16898008> I'm sure you're gonna get filtered even by this child-friendly illustration.
>>16898015>you are totally ignorant on how entropy works.>The burned factory has less information, higher entropyHigher entropy implies more information. You manage to be wrong and retarded even on the irrelevant tangent you've taken off from.
>>16897413A single cell contains the intelligence to assemble your entire body from raw material on its own. But then child comes out, now it has to be clamped, vaccinated, circumcised, drugged into oblivion.
