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fucking captcha
also, gonna drop bait for YOUR attention

shiny-shiny, look at this thread, start thinking, stop scrolling

Im untested, undiagnosed and untreated.

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>>16898686
I'm for sure neurodivergent but never been rigorously tested due to ableism from parents. Ive been soft diagnosed by briefly seeing a therapist and it was on my school records. Its really debilitating in terms of navigating the social world which is painful because I still desire the same level of social connection as neurotypicals but lack the ability to connect or latch onto the hivemind so to speak. The special interests in STEM subjects arent really worth being deprived of social connections in my opinion, and in workplaces that place heavy value on the vibes of coworkers over their work output ive really struggled. The "cure" is formulating an intellectual framework of neurotypical social hierarchy and interactions by researching their world heavily, meaning I can have a clear understanding of why a neurotypical acted in such a manner, but I will never be able to research myself out of neurodivergent land and gain the intuition a neurotypical was born with.

>>16898804
In additon to this, I would say another "cure" for neurodivergence is having high social status. With high social status such as being a famous scientist or doctor, your traits are regarded "interesting" or "sophisticated" instead of "weird" or "rude". High social status allows neurodivergents to bypass the social hierarchy and allows them to be regarded in a more positive light. This leads to an easier time forming platonic friendships and romantic relationships.

most of the 'smart' people you find on the internet are autistic midwits over represented in either spatial or verbal categories, truly intelligent people would not spend most of their time here, and would never admit they are more intelligent, so you won't really find what you are looking for because there's no incentive you are offering these people to do the opposite, for them, being found out as too different often has negative consequences so they'd rather larp as dumb for as long as possible

>>16898686
I'm diagnosed autistic and went through both special education (euphemism for disability education, in my case due to bad behavior) and talented and gifted education. On 4chan people sometimes like to troll by telling former TAG/GATE kids they're coping about actually going to special education but as someone who's been to both I know they're different things. In TAG they take you out of class occasionally to do some special assignment or once you're in high school they'll usually tell you about some field trip or meeting that's ultimately supposed to help you get a high-paying STEM job or go to college and they'll tell you to take more AP classes. In the type of special education I went to, Social Learning Center or SLC, they keep you there for the whole day in elementary school and you have lessons about the appropriate way to deal with teachers and other kids along with your normal stuff. As you start behaving better they'll introduce you to mainstream classes with an aide in the hopes you'll integrate completely and can eventually stop going to special education entirely. Once you're in middle school SLC is basically a study hall with a lesson about interpersonal stuff in the beginning. I was sent to special ed in 2nd grade because in first grade I kept refusing to go school and would literally run out of class because I learned that was a good way to get sent home early and not have to be in school anymore. In 3rd grade they succeeded in getting me to stay in mainstream classes, and I was set to enter full-time mainstream classes in fourth grade in a different, closer school. But I relapsed, and was sent back to SLC in 6th grade after a failed year in a Waldorf school. I stayed in SLC after that.

>>16898816
not everyone is as bitter as you anon, some people don't mind doing free labor for some random undergrad
I'm not one of them though so I largely agree with you

>>16898865
it's not about bitterness, what op is asking is akin to a random nobody walking up to some wallstreet trader on their way to lunch and asking them for one hour of their time for free, this is about value for time which the op is not offering to these people assuming he is asking for genuinely intelligent people and not random online iq takers

>>16898868
no, "write a post up to 2000 characters" is not the same as "an hour of your time"
you're exaggerating because you're bitter, which is understandable, but it is coloring your reasoning

>>16898874
ok you are right, i admit it, i'm bitter

>>16898686
>Any confirmed (or suspecting to be) neurodivergents here with above average IQ/intellegence?
Autism and ADHD are robustly associated with below average IQ with 30-40 % of all autistics being classified as mentally retarded. The ones who are above average IQ have usually autistic or ADHD expressions so mild that the diagnosis itself might be false.

>>16898686
I have ADHD and I'm likely slightly autistic, I think it's called broad autism phenotype. I think I'm also just plain lazy. Idk how intelligent I am. I managed to get mostly As and Bs in highschool and college with the bare minim of effort and most of the people around me consider me pretty smart. But that's likely just because to normies smart = knowing lots of things. And because of my obsession with history, geography and to a lesser degree literature and politics, I know a fuck ton of trivia. I was never really good at math, but that may be partly because I never bothered to study. I'd just study for an hour before taking a test, get C- and be done with it. On the rare occasions when I actually tried to study I often managed to get As, but I still lack the innate talent that most truly smart people have. To me this seems as the most obvious sign of my stupidy.
I think I'm a midwit and my IQ is likely around 110. Enough to seem smart to normies but not enough to be truly smart and capable of achieving great things.

I literally have moments where I rub my own shit into the wall. It's not haphazard though, I have a technique

>>16898917
reminds me of a guy i knew who used to live with someone who once wiped with a sock and then tried to flush the sock
then the guy himself clogged his own toilet and shat diarrhea into a card board box in front of his radiator
that's when i realized that fecal impaction is the true philosopher's stone

>>16898906
>ADHD is robustly associated with below average IQ
Is this the result of people with ADHD having a shit working memory and slower processing speed?
I've noticed that my long term memory is pretty good. If I read an article in the news, I'm able to remember most of it for a long time. But for example when someone tells me directions, I forget it almost immediately. It also takes me longer to understand stuff. When I'm trying to solve some problem I need to read the instructions several times to properly understand what I'm supposed to do, it takes me a long time to actually come up with a solution and so on. I'm usually able to solve the problem, I just need a lot of time
I think that if I did an IQ test, this would be the main thing contributing to a low score.

>>16898686
I'm a schizoid with social anxiety and ADHD-PI, and I scored a hundred and forty-nine on the RAIT. It was administered by Mensa, though, so you can probably knock fifteen off that result. I coasted through school getting As and Bs just by turning up, and did my homework at midnight the night before it was due, if at all. I didn't get diagnosed for anything until my mid-early twenties, because I was passing my classes and wasn't disruptive, so nobody noticed. I graduated high school and enrolled at uni for a bachelor of science in chemistry, and then when I got there I sank like a stone. Everything I took for granted at school was suddenly absent. You don't turn up to class? Nobody cares, nothing happens. You don't do your assignments? Nobody cares, nothing happens. You miss the final exam? Nobody cares, nothing happens. You just enroll in the same class again next semester, and maybe you make it a little further next time because you've covered the material before, or maybe you go off the rails even sooner because you can't stand sitting through lectures on things you already know. After too many years of this I finally admit that something is clearly wrong, and go to see a shrink (the process of which was like pulling teeth, since most are so sick of people fishing for a ritalin prescription that they refuse to deal with adult ADHD at all). I get diagnosed with ADHD, put on dexamphetamine, and then suddenly it was like I was awake for the first time in my life. I'm not talking about a high - I honestly felt no difference between taking it and not taking it. The difference was in how I was living my life. Suddenly I was going to class, and doing my assignments. I was making it far enough through the semester that I actually saw the inside of the exam hall on multiple occasions.

>>16898990
This lasted for about a year before I started getting panic attacks. I've never really been at ease with people, and I was working a shitty retail job to pay my rent, then suddenly I was taking amphetamines every day and working harder than I ever had before. It was inevitable, really. Things fell apart, I dropped out, stopped taking my meds, and withdrew from society more than I already had. This lasted for a year or two, before I finally pulled myself together enough to re-enroll and try again. I was studying engineering this time, because all the electives I had picked so far were engineering electives, and I enjoyed them a lot more than my main classes. Again, this lasted for about a year before I started getting panic attacks, and then it all fell apart (again). I withdrew again for about two or three years, then briefly tried again. This time I no longer had meds, as my former shrink's books were full, and so was everybody else's, except for the ones who had retired without telling anybody. It didn't matter anyway, since that was when covid hit and it killed any momentum I may have had. I lost my job for being unvaccinated, then was unemployed for a few years. Now I work in a factory, where I found what I had been missing my entire life: people who expect results from me. I'll be up for a promotion soon, if all goes well. It's not interesting, and it's not exciting, but it pays the bills. Eventually, after getting knocked down enough times, you stop picking yourself back up. I still have an interest in all of these kinds of things, but I've long given up on succeeding in formal education. Now I just go to work, shitpost, and play video games.

>>16898686
>Any confirmed (or suspecting to be) neurodivergents here with above average IQ/intellegence?
Yes on both
>Wanna share something about yourself here?
No

>>16898993
>One dude claimed to have AuDHD and 140 iq, but i found more info about his life and he lives with his family and just has typical autistic (stereotypical, "dumb" type) interests without anything "gifted" in his life. He is just dumb, autistic redditor that larped as gifted, wasted some time thinking that i found a gem yet it was just larping nigger
If you're so sure of your preconceptions, why waste time asking people? You already know what you're looking for, so just think of that and write it down. Really, though, you're asking about people with mental illness. What did you expect from that guy? Is he supposed to be a piano virtuoso who solves millennium problems in his spare time? If you want success stories, try interviewing people without mental illness. Or is it just that he has the wrong kind of interests? It's not all automatically chess and classical music once you get into the triple digits. Some of us are just regular people who have an easier time understanding things.

>>16898998
I sound rude, but i think my logic is logical enough here
dude larps on reddit for social jerking as gifted neurodiverget - i get interested - i find actual information - turns out its fake news - get dissapointed

naturally intellegent people tend to be prone towards complex or cool stuff because otherwise they get bored, most of stuff that is entertaining for normal people is boring to them
higher mind has higher need for cognition, otherwise boredom is painful

i dont think actual 140 AuDHD would be in in almost 30s living with his family with zero anchievements in life, at least from my circle everyone with similar stats achieved cool things including myself but idk might be biased here

>>16898998
and also, neurodivergent doesnt means 100% "mental illness"
it has its own problems and benefits too
like, i can research stuff or work on my hobbies on lighting pace for 10-25 hours without rest, it allows me to learn at lighting pace and do hobbies at lighting pace
so, while im turbo autistic im actually high functional and speedrunning life

>>16898993
>>16898990
go check your amygdala with MRI or smth
your neurochemistry fucks your life, fix it, get stronger

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>>16899080
you sound like a pretentious, inexperienced midwit
which you are

>>16898906
idk, AuDHD, 125 mensa, seem to be doing great in life
maybe i just won genetic lottery or smth idk

>>16899092
really? i wonder what kind of patterns you felt in my messages that made you think that way
but anyway, care you or not, im not midwit
>which you are
kinda too much confidence in your text considering that you dont know the full picture, do you expect me to full personal info dump about myself on 4chan? of course no

>>16899102
you expect others to infodump about themselves though, in service of your goals
I don't like you much, if you can't tell

I've done a Mensa test but more than 10 years ago (when I was 16) and I had around low 130s.

I've got quite terrible ADHD - never medicated but I managed to finish Mech Eng up to master's level with decent grades.

I work in the data centre sector. Work is piss easy and I get paid a lot- it's very intense, but since I can rotate between tasks I'm able to keep on top of things quite well and not get bored.

My relationship is with a person I love, and it's been going great for a few years.

Education difficulty greatly depends on country e.g. my Batchelor's was in a great UK uni, and it felt manageable. A lot of project work, etc.

My master's on the other hand was in a top European uni, where they expect you to sit down and memorise formulas, and just shove shit in your brain. That was terrible, I had many breakdowns, totally ass. The only way I'd be able to generate the dopamine is through prizes of sweets and masturbation. It was trash, I'd masturbate at least 15 times each day, and go through unironically kilograms of sweets.

I didn't bloatmax since I'm tall and lift, but it convinced me that an unmedicated PHD might be off the table.

Defo not gifted though, defo not a "savant" or some retarded shit like that. I've also had issues with psychosis and delusions of grandeur lmaoo, that sorta drives me in life since I constantly take on more shit than I can logically manage and then am forced to adapt under the heavy stress.

>>16899115
Furthermore, my post reeks of self-aggrandisement, do with that what you may

>>16898686
I don't know my IQ but it was high enough to get me into gifted class as a kid. I got perfect reading and writing scores on the SAT & ACT, though not a perfect score overall, math & science scores were middling. I was diagnosed with depression in high school and ADHD in college (I don't believe I actually have ADHD though).
I don't consider myself particularly intelligent in practice as I've done nothing with my life. Intellect is worthless without diligence and hard work to back it up and I have neither.

>>16899109
He is a dumb zoomie retard. Can't you tell? He has the professional ability to tell who is a midwit and who is not based on the mental illnesses they profess to have. These kinds of threads always attract the most pathologically self-aggrandizing engagement on this site.

>>16898906
Yeah I don't know where the idea of autistic genius came from but autism is often severe and severely autistic people are retarded. I'm talking the cognitive capacity of a preschooler, will never be independent, will never speak type of retardation. And as you said it's not rare either. I assume "autistic" people with genius level IQs are just spergy. It's nuts to consider an adult who wears a diaper, only knows a few words, has extreme meltdowns, and is fully dependent on his parents; and another who has graduated college, has a family and a career but is slightly obsessive or awkward as under the same diagnostic umbrella.
>inb4 it's a spectrum
What use is a spectrum that covers such an incredibly wide range of presentations and behaviors. There's a reason everyone and their mama claims ADHD or autism nowadays - everyone might as well have ADHD/autism with how vague and generalized the symptoms are, you could apply them to just about anyone.

>>16899139
>it's a spectrum
was supposed to apply generally for psychopathologies such that normies realize that almost all psychopathologies are normal behaviors becoming pathologic due to conditioning or neurological influences; as in, we're all a little retarded/adhd/autistic/schizotypal sometimes, but if you're any of them all the time it becomes a problem.
However, this obviously didn't work, such that
>I'm on the spectrum!
became
>I have autism but it's a very small autism

I suspect this is because the continuum hypothesis is independent of ZFC, but I'm not yet fully convinced the diagram commutes.

>>16898686
> Wanna share something about yourself here?
I have the superhuman ability to survive being strangled for over 5 minutes.

>>16898686
Can you roughly eatimate your IQ without taking a test? Like determining if you're probably above 115 or something like that.

>>16899149
Makes sense, I used to be fascinated by personality psychology and personality disorders and that applies to personality disorders as well - that everyone displays PD symptoms to some extent or another, they become pathological when a cluster of symptoms are present and taken to an extreme, lowering quality of life. It's the difference between healthy variations of personality and disordered behavior.

Speaking of personality, I get the impression a lot of people self-diagnosing as autistic or ADHD treat them as if they're personality types, like the MBTI or something. They're pathologizing normal personality flaws and it unnerves me a bit. Behaviors or personalities that don't fall in line with societal ideals don't automatically equate to disorder. Even actual unhealthy personality traits or behaviors aren't necessarily indicative of disorder - everyone has flaws. Abnormality is not pathological in of itself and idk why some people don't want to 'just' be quirky

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>>16898686
I'm autistic, high IQ, G.A.T.E. student, and many other cool bullet points.

Go fuck yourself OP. I hope this helps you.

>>16899372
2edgy4uuuu

>>16899084
>neurodivergent doesnt means 100% "mental illness"
>neurodivergent

>>16899407
>imagine being called mentally ill by a guy with the metal age of a 9 year old, having mummy and daddy make threats on your behalf, openly and fully admitting serious crimes including fraud (the entire reason you will be receiving almost nothing) then chimping out threatening to murder people when you don't get your own way, then having your cohort of shit-eaters reaffirm this behaviour as acceptable.
Time to fuck off.

>>16899109
>I don't like you much, if you can't tell
Already obvious
>you expect others to infodump about themselves though, in service of your goals
Why are you so pessimistic? We are on anonymous imageboard, completely free of liability. You seem to be especially.. annoyed? Angry? Why?

Regarding infodumps, what the problem with that? I just made this thread, maybe someone bored or enthusiastic enough will share about his life and how this Y person lives with certain neurodivergences because its genuily valuable information.
And yet, you got butthurt or smth for some reason. Sorry if i upset you, maybe you were in bad mood state when you found this thread idk, but dont be so emotional, there is no point in that (if it doenst makes you feel easier)

>>16898686
>why won't people just accept my sweeping generalizations as absolutes
Ecological fallacy and its consequences have been a disaster for spergs.

>>16899443
4chan indeed became reddit 2.0

>>16899343
>I get the impression a lot of people self-diagnosing as autistic or ADHD treat them as if they're personality types
Yeah, its kinda funny to see someone claming "Im sooo quirky and autistic!" or "ohhh, IM SO lazy, I probaly just got ADHD, haha"
Nigga, you dont need amphetamine salts for normal functioning, nigga, you dont need to reverse engineer social norms and behaviour just to pretend normal (social masking) what are you talking about haha

>>16899598
>enigmatic response that focuses on blurry point and dances around it
>smug "above everything" writing
Be more direct, or go back to red website
(tho 4chan is already reddit 2.0?)

Helicopter mums get their completely normal, high-performing children diagnosed for benefits during tests. Here, that's your secret of high IQ AuDHD.

“Most Chinese people are short”

“But I’ve met tall Chinese people”

“Right, that’s why I said most”

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>>16899596
>We are on anonymous imageboard, completely free of liability.
unironically very new here

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>>16899628
Idk, i never was "forced" to go to psychiatrist (i hate my family and i never trust them, complete autonomy), i just was curious what is "wrong" with me, got diagnosed with bipolar 2 (because i appear normal due to my extreme high-functioning and wonderful social masking skills), refused goypills, went to different psychiatrist, got diagnosed with ADHD then after extra question by me diagnosis got changed into AuDHD.
I enjoy my stimulants and i enjoy knowing that im actually neurodivergent and not just "quirky".
dear fucking god this captcha is disgusting
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>>16899670
bad for those who live in us, good for me cuz im a nigger from almost third world country

>>16898686
I'm diagnosed with autism and have a top 2% IQ according to 2 separate professional tests. Nothing particularly interesting, I'm just your standard aspie stereotype. Eccentric, asocial, pedantic, knows a bunch of useless anecdotal information, idiosyncratic speech etc etc. Run of the mill sperglord.

>>16899707
You are a textbook example of your own picrel and what I said. Only instead of mum you did it yourself. You were obviously shopping for the right diagnosis to get the drugs that you want. You made a plan, successfully gamed the system, and reap the benefits - which is a sign of a high IQ and the opposite of AuDHD.

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>>16899713
Oh, thats what kind of person im interested in.
Mind sharing something extra about yourself? What are your hobbies, how well are you doing in life, what kind of anchievements (or lack of?) you have, what is your life goal, what is world-view, what kind of thoughts you just have in current moment reading this message and etc

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>>16899716
I carefully was researching myself after getting diagnosed (i always distrust the authority, in this case psychiatrist) and made a deep research into neuroscience?/psychiatry.
I can confidently say that i indeed got AuDHD, hyper-high functioning one or something. I dont even need stimulants for "normal" functioning, but i still take them sometimes when i need to do extra work or boring stuff. My functioning is extremely interest-based, if something is boring - i will not do that. I had troubles in school because i saw no point in getting good grades because good grades are useless. i dropped out of university as direct result of my own actions because i realised that i would rather spend 4+ years learning genuily useful skills at my own pace as autodidact instead of burning years of life just to get useless "you're smart!" paper.
So. Neurodivergency is real, even when i was sceptical at first, stimulants are genuily helping sometimes but i avoid them because of homeostasis/its literally amphetamine salts after all, you shouldnt take it 24/7 or you will get addicted nigga and your receptors fried/downregulated.
So, uh, i dont know what else to say. I hope didnt forgot anything important.

>>16898911
Dont worry too much about scores, while IQ funny number really correlates with actual intellegence, outliers can exist and your possible autism might impact that too (iq tests are designed for NT's? idk)
>>16898919
Kek. Reminds me of similar story from life. Knew the "crazy" guy, under closer examination i found out that he actually genius but with schizoid/sociopatic traits?
He had similar type of "crazy" as.. Diogen for example. Looks crazy, stops being that crazy when you have a deep talk with him. I probably could go "crazy" at some point in my life too and can be labeled as "crazy" if someone will find out what im truly is (im always wearing social masks and it feels like playing a role because it literally is, otherwise neurotypicals will eat me alive for "g-guys? he talks and moves.. so weirdly! or.. even creepy! did you noticed that too?"

>>16899722
>What are your hobbies
Nerd shit like computers, video games, music, cinema, literature, series etc. Creatively only music, which I like composing, and occasionally a little writing.
>how well are you doing in life, what kind of anchievements (or lack of?) you have
Not much, I live alone but I'm poor. Failed to get a degree because the 'tism made uni very uncomfortable. Wish I had a better job, but it could be worse.
>what is your life goal
I pretty much just want more money so I can have a slightly better, safer lifestyle. Like being able to treat myself more often with the occasional luxury, while having enough money to invest and not be worried about sudden urgent expenses fucking me up.
>world-view
Philosophical naturalism, skepticism, physicalism, "hard incompatibilism" I guess since I don't agree with either determinism or free will. I sort of see the world as defined by a set of constraints of what can't be, subtractively shaping what may or may not be among remaining possibilities.
>what kind of thoughts you just have in current moment reading this message and etc
"I'm bored and replying will serve to pass time."

lol no

>>16899745
Thanks for your time and effort.
>Not much, I live alone but I'm poor. Failed to get a degree because the 'tism made uni very uncomfortable. Wish I had a better job, but it could be worse.
I dont what kind of situation you've got in YOUR country, but at least from my personal experience i can confidently say that traditional education is fake and gay. Idk, its obviously better to spend years to learn actually great and useful skill instead of.. whatever is presented to you as "knowledge" in uni.
At least thats what i think.
>I pretty much just want more money so I can have a slightly better, safer lifestyle.
I can 100% relate to that. Currently, for example, im already working at tiny business despite being still in my yearly 20s (im 20)
Feels alienating, considering that my peers are interested with social hangouts and booze while im naturally "nerdy" and would rather spend my free time on something that will optimise my future and improve my future existence for future me.

I think you shouldnt worry about it too much, because your brain probably will easily allow you to solve "capitalism" for yourself too. You got the intellegence, you got neurodivergence that willl allow you to better than just high intellegence alone. At least thats what i think, because when i was researching history i found a lot of "succesfull" people that actually were neurodivergent (ADHD, bipolar, autism traits, etc) i think you got the idea. I honestly think that being neurotypical genuily sucks cuz you're forced into "normal" life which consists of wageslavery and being controlled by external events because "its normal, everyone does that, you should do that too"
>world view part
Quite interesting, because i have something similar. Im positive nihilist myself, memento-mori mindset. Im always aware of the fact that life is quite.. purposeless, and im aware that i will inevitably die, so i view life as game without any risk.

i got chrctr limit here so part 2 soon?

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>>16899754
ok idk what to say as extra so
I just wanted to say that im not afraid to risk not because im actively suicidal - but because what the point of being afraid if you will die anyway?
You're afraid because fear is natural trait that appeared to preserve specimens and make them more likely to stay alive and replicate their genes or smth. So its logical and obvious why we have fear. But, fear was developed due to "fear of death" from evolutionary? (or whatever) perspective, but, as "ghost in the machine" that is currently locked in fleshy body i can confidently say that there is no point to be afraid, i will die anyway.
I will do risky things. I will do risky business. They can be describe me as crazy, reckless, careless, but problem is not in me.
Most people genuily act as if they're gonna live forever. Life is finite, yet they ignore that. They keep being afraid. They keep playing dumb social games. They keep wasting time, acting like they got thousands of years to spend. Its weird to me, im weird to them.
But, i might be actually just crazy? and after all, this is just my opinion and i might need pills (i will never take goypills, first psychiatrist prescribed me with neuroleptics, fuck this nigger with his chemical lobotomy disguised as a "cure")

>>16899670
It's a bit surprising that people think they're truly anonymous here. My assumption is that what I post here isn't going to get out to my family, employer, or community, but that everything is being recorded by many entities, including government agencies, along with some kind of scoring system for threat and probability. Also wouldn't be surprised if a few of them have a direct line into location data and browser finger prints. Even with that last bit, it's well known that japamoot cooperates with law enforcement. The government can get that info by request to him.

>>16898930
ADHD, by definition, is reduced working memory and impairments in inhibition.
>>16899139
Autism didn't start out as a go-to-diagnosis for the mentally retarded but turned into it because, by the 80s, psychologists happily argued that any child who couldn't talk must be autistic which ended up with fancy explanations as to why such kids couldn't talk which also meant they had to miss the obvious reasons.
But by then, for-profit driven healthcare has taken off, if you're old enough you may remember the huge Prozac scandal. Even with proper advancement in scientific understanding, psychologists now just claim that many "autistic" kiddoes just happen to have autism and cerebral palsy or autism and down's syndrome and that latter cannot possibly cause the former because less severely autistic kids don't happen to have them.

>>16898686
>hi, any high IQ folk with mental disorders around here?
>yeah, I am a Mensa member and have been diagnosed with ADHD and MDD
>no you are a midwit, high IQ folk don't have mental disorders, kill yourself
every. single. thread.

I'm gonna be honest though I will probably make some anons feel bad, most neurodivergence like autism or ADHD is just a net negative on the person who has it. I think that most people who are very smart like Sheldon from TBBT is just already smart despite the neurodivergence. I think it is like this I don't remember any real study maybe just making this shit up. I remember like only 1/5 was smarter than average and most were like special needs (stupid)

>>16898686
Diagnosed with asperger's and ADHD when I was 14. The only legitimate, proctored test I have taken was the Ravens 2 and I maxed it out, but online I mostly score between 145 and 155 so I am likely in that range. Was studying paramedic science at university but dropped out due to stress. While other people in my family have traits consistent with autism, and abilities that are far more likely to be present with the condition, my aunt has perfect pitch, my uncle is a genius draughtsman and craftsman, my niece is ambidextrous, for example, I myself have no special abilities. My autism has always been more of a curse than a gift and I've always been somewhat anti-social but, paradoxically, enjoy people being around. It also affects my diet and sleep and gave me an intense dislike of hierarchy to the extent that I find working with others almost unbearable. I earn my keep by dropshipping products from china on large platforms like Ebay and Amazon as well as trading.

>>16899925
Should also have mentioned that I do tend to fixate on things to the exclusion of others. Used to be obsessed with music and played the piano, but haven't in years at this point. Long distance running is the only real hobbie that I have currently and is the only thing that keeps me from going completely off the rails.

>>16898686
150 IQ

My belief in a-priori knowledge preceeded my belief in a-posterori knowledge

Meaning even when I was 3 years old I fully believed all knowledge could not only be grasped but also discovered via thought rather than experience

I have carried this feeling my entire life

>>16899940
Also the vast majorty of psychology is a farce and these labels we are using are completely missing the forest for the trees

For every label, there are many latent systemic processes being missed

>>16898686
This is a bad survey, you need to work on your survey design if you want to do serious research

>>16899981
No. Its intentionally made in this specific way.
Im well aware of the fact that spergs/ND's are, obviously human. They will probably not get attracted to "serious" threat, but gladly talk in "casual" one.
Everything here is intentional.
At least thats what i think.
>>16899940
I dont score numbers that fancy, but i understand what you wanted to say.
I feel like this too. Somehow, im able to do great in life, constantly shocking my peers because what is insane luck to them is actually:
Careful, deep, extremely deep, obsessive research for hours, days or week until i milk internet dry of information. Then i carefully plan, make my plan perfect, they i execute - get perfect results.

Sometimes it makes me feel extremely.. derealized. Because, if you know enough and spot enough patterns life is actually just a game that can be easily solved. Humans are biological machines and their humanity is fake, their behaviour can be reverse enginereed and exploited.
Its stuff like that. I feel quite crazy sometimes because of that. I know too much, too soon, too early. Im probably statistical anomaly, i dont have much explanation otherwise. I wish i knew myself. I wonder why why i exist and how im able keep existing. Im not supposed to be here. Yet im writing this text right now. Im even real?
>>16899942
Yeah. I understand that all of these "ADHD" "autism" and etc is just "labels" that will never show the actual picture. Its just simplified label.
>>16899925
Dont worry. From your story and from your writing i can confidently say that you can find your "purpose" in life and game this life too.
You just to need keep working, keep going, keep learning. It will be easy if you keep going. It will be hard if you will give up.
>>16899919
You're not retarded, you're clearly able to function well enough to respond in this way on 4chan. So. Dont worry about being "dumb", you're clearly capable and just dont know what you're actually capable of. character limitniggger2000symbo

>>16900122
>careful, deep, extremely deep, obsessive

I am not a details guy at all actually. I actively avoid details. I focus on the big picture and leave details for quick reference. Details are a waste of bandwidth. It is also not a challenge whatsoever for me to remember things, which is another reason why I never emphasize details. It is much more important to be big picture focused and highly creative.

Being an insecure little try-hard slows you down.

>>16900140
I actually enjoy challenge. I enjoy overthinking.
But its differs from person to person, im just weird one. I dont know myself.

>>16900172
Details aren't challenging. Just slow. You will always lose to someone that knows how to access details quickly.

I do not know exactly if I am neurodivergent or not. But I do feel anyone who surfs 4chan is usually not that normal off rip anyways. I was born left-handed (ended up being taught to switch from a young age); I mention this because there is a pretty strong correlation between neurodivergence, being a male and left handedness (And yes, left handedness is more common in men.). But as far as my IQ goes I scored 156 on some untimed "frauded" abstract puzzle solving test administered by a social worker in my elementary school. I then got administered to take an IQ test regulated by psychologists to see if I could get into some gifted program, I ended up getting shy of gifted at around 123iq (was very anxious because the test was timed). Also, if it matters, I have personally taken all 3 of the practice Mensa tests and scored 125 on the hardest one, 124 on the largest sample and 119 on the easiest one, but since the sample size was small the only careless mistake I made cost me 7iq points, lol (I did these tests AWHILE ago when I was below the youngest age category for them). Given all this, I would say my IQ surfs somewhere between 120-130. As for "neurodivergence", I was suspected of ADHD as a child (never been diagnosed); that is why I even had to go through the abstract puzzle test in the first place. My grades were usually quite good in social studies and arts. For sciences and math I was decent (B student), but it really depended dramatically on the year and the specific science. But what my childhood teachers saw as an issue was my lower inhibition, being controversial, confrontational and speaking my mind frequently. This ended up getting me in trouble quite a bit, being disruptive, being inattentive and unjustly labeled as "aggressive/violent". As far as my interests and beliefs go, I am religious and have delved in psychology, history, philosophy and biology. I believe in a greater meaning to life and I have loved to ponder existence since I was a kid.

>>16900140
(P.S I am the person who just wrote the most recent comment before this)

I think what you said about looking at the bigger picture is absolutely essential, because I believe we are in an era in which tons of people are intuitively dead and do not recognize the greater existence of man. I would say a lot of that is due to radical materialism and a consistent push of atheism in many cultures. This is exactly what happens when you become ultra-reductive, and there is even loads of philosophy and even neuroscience regarding such behavior. But I will have to disagree about what you said about “details”. I still think they are absolutely essential and allow for you to make more connections over time in order to formulate new "bigger pictures". The thing which most of us, most of the time, truly fancy is the bigger picture, to immerse in an actual meaning and almost internally experience it. Through my personal experience in psychology, based on this comment alone, I do not suspect you of having autism, unlike a lot of people here. Autistic people tend to be very reductive and linear in thinking, sometimes when high functioning, this can lead to a higher IQ, but I certainly believe it inhibits creativity to an extent. I also forgot to mention in my earlier comment that I do suspect myself of having OCD and having phases where I become paranoid and obsessive about certain thoughts; I've even had germaphobia. Anyways, that is all I have to say for now, but I still have a lot more to add on the contrasts and even population demographics of reductive thinking vs holistic thinking. Let me know if y’all want more.

>>16899739
I would probably do badly on an iq test primarily because of my slow processing speed. I'm just slow all around. I read slowly, I write slowly, I eat slowly, I do most things slowly.
The main thing that makes others consider me "smart" is that I have a good long term memory so I've always done well in school. I've always managed to get good grades even though I've never really studied. I'd usually just read the stuff a few times the day before the exam and that was usually enough. The most I've ever studied was probably for a business law exam and a math exam in college. The businesses law exam was just rote memorization of hundreds of pages of boring shit. So that took me about a week. The math was a bit easier, it was calculus 1 & 2 and some very basic linear algebra. Took me about a week too. But I'm in business school, so our math course was considerably easier than math courses in stem fields.
But I think that a good memory alone isn't really indicative of very high inteligence. I lack creativity and logical thinking.
It's kinda a curse imo, I've gotten used to being able to succeed with minimal effort which is pretty bad.

Yeah, sure.
Was tested in my early 20s to have an IQ of aroun 135.
I don't believe in this shit as a metric for intelligence, but you do you, I guess.
I specialized in human relations. First got into the army, then into university to study neuroscience, then became a therapist and now I'm currently jobless because everything bores me to death.
My accomplishments: creating the first pattern recognition capabilities of AI, creating EFG and generally helping my fellow humans who I meet on a daily basis.
What you want to know?

>>16900315
>I have an IQ but I don't believe in IQ
Hilariously cliche. Have you had even one original thought in your entire life?

I have autism. Low tested IQ. High intelligence. Didn't read the thread. Won't read the thread. I am a physicist. Blow me

>>16900242
You misunderstand the way I wield details. My thinking is optimized for performance, because I have a photographic memory. Details slow people like me down. I have to actively avoid them, because I get them so easily. Unlike others, who have to put energy into this. I put my energy into the force multiplier. It's just an entirely different level that very few people possess.

It's just a sheer capability and not useful for others to attempt.

Most of my family is autistic, rainman style. I do lots of mushrooms. I'm the only functional one.

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>>16900242
My little brother is non-verbally autistic, but he is literally rainman. He has quite an enormous amount of Wikipedia saved into his brain, every single word.

I have 10+ digit numbers that I used once 20 years ago that are still in my head. Details are a nuisance for these types of people.

When someone like this spends all of their energy on big picture/visionary thinking, their power is multiplied significantly.

>>16898686
neurodivergent people are retarded

>>16898686
Only taken online tests but some supposedly have fairly close results to professionally administered tests. I typically score within 135-145, weighted slightly towards spatial subtests and notably negatively weighted against verbal subtests.
Diagnosed ADHD and psychiatrist and psychologist said I'm also autistic but since it costs thousands of dollars for an official adult diagnosis in my country and I am employed full-time so I would be ineligible for any benefits I didn't bother to get it confirmed.
I'm generally quite socially withdrawn, and at work or in social situations that aren't exclusively with my immediate family or close friends I don't interact much or express myself emotionally.

>>16900323
no. have you?

>>16900393
>My little brother is non-verbally autistic, but he is literally rainman
Rainman was based on Kim Peek who wasn't autistic but had a congenital form of brain damage.

>>16898686
I have diagnosed ADHD in my 20s (though I suspected I had it since I was a teen, but only started going to a psych when it was interfering with my job to the point that I wonder how the fuck I didn't get fired) which I likely inherited from my dad who's very obviously the usual working class gen X ADHDer from before ADHD became widely known that was assumed to be just "a bad student" because he can't sit down to read a book to save his life, even though he's very smart. He spent his life working manual labor at a factory and I'm pretty sure he'd have blown his brains out if he didn't have a family and a pretty good house.
I think my ADHD isn't as severe as his, but anyone who also has it would easily notice I have it too (you easily notice it from how people talk, carry themselves, the stories of their daily life they tell, etc).
Also, I've not been diagnosed with autism but I'm starting to realize that I probably have it too but have been masking it for so long that it isn't very apparent. Per example, when I talk with people I am able to establish visual contact, but only cause mentally I'm always going "look at their eyes, look at their eyes" and so on to force myself to do it and I've been doing this since I was very young. If I don't do it, I just can't do it. I used to think it was because of social isolation, but nowadays I talk with a lot of people daily yet I still have to do it.
IQ wise I've scored in the 130s in a few of the more well respected tests you can take online. I'm pretty sure I'd actually score in the 140s at least without ADHD as my main issue is not that I miss questions, but that I run out of time cause I often lose track of what I'm doing mid-question and have to start from the beginning.

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>>16900867
Academic performance-wise, I was always around the top 5-10% in both highschool and college without putting much effort. I would actually spend the entire class daydreaming fantasy stories and such and then self-learn the entire contents for the exam in the 3-4 days before the exam pretty easily. It was funny cause every year some of my new teachers would think I was fucking retarded as I often didn't know how to answer questions about the contents that were taught that day cause of not paying attention at all, only to then BTFO almost all students on the exams kek.
I'm pretty sure I could have gunned for the top 1% or even the very top cause I was able to do it on subjects I really liked, but I just can't put in any actual effort at all on tasks that I don't like, so I'd get near perfect marks on some subjects and then 8/10 in others (my Euro country's system grades from 0 to 10).
Actually, the subjects I ever did the worst at were some of the easiest ones that I just detested so much that I couldn't get myself to do anything more than the bare minimum. The problem is that I went into a degree I didn't really like, was too much of a pussy to switch (also, in my country switching degrees is not as easy as in the USA. You pretty much always lose 1 or 2 years by switching) and ended up so burned out and hating my life so much that I fell off a cliff during my last year and didn't even graduate cause I have still not defended my thesis, which I still haven't even redacted years later.

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>>16900871
In the midst of my extreme burnout, I managed to land an internship and a return offer at an alright major electronics company (it is actually probably among the best in my city, but it is not a major city, so it is not really special), where I'm still working at as an analog integrated circuit design engineer which, based on myself and the type of people I've worked with, seems to be the biggest autism magnet out of all electrical engineering related jobs.
Tbh I have no clue how I got the return offer cause I wasn't performing well at all. When I delivered something, it was very high quality, but I was extremely slow cause of the burnout plus ADHD. I guess thay can tell that I'm pretty smart and know stuff well, even if I progress slowly.
Nowadays I've recovered a bit from the burnout and ADHD meds help me get more things done, but it is still quite a struggle. Not cause it is hard, but cause I just can't be arsed to work as I don't really feel any particular passion about it and the pay isn't too great cause Europoor engineering salaries.

>>16900876
Interests-wise, I like most of the usual nerd shit (anime/manga, games, classic literature, etc) as well as mostly non-mainstream genres of music (especially prog-metal, which is like the most autistic genre of music posible kek) and like playing the guitar, although I fucking suck at it cause I hate practicing actual exercises and just noodle around on it, so I never get better.
Also like learning about ancient and early modern history and anthropology a lot. I can go down rabbitholes on these topics online for hours and hours till it is suddenly 5am, you haven't slept properly in god knows how long and work starts at 9am (yeah my sleep schedule has been an absolute disaster for a few years now. I legit go to the office without sleeping at all relatively often. I'm probably slowly getting brain damage from this, but oh well).
Socially, I've never fit into any group of people. I used to think it was cause of growing up at a very rural small town where pretty much no one shared my interests, but this has continued even when moving to a city. I only really feel comfortable talking to very specific people and only on 1 on 1 settings pretty much. I can carry myself properly in a group, but I will just constantly feel like I'm putting up a front and that I shouldn't be there, even if I actually do like the people from that group.
Appeareance wise, I'm very average. Nothing really stands out about me. I've never been bullied and have always maintained cordial relationships with most people I've met, but I've never really felt "truly connected" to anyone.
Also, I have never been on a relationship, if it wasn't obvious enough already. I could probably do it, but I wouldn't know where to start, plus knowing that some akward moments when they realize how weird and socially stunted I am are inevitable puts me off trying. Plus, I'm scared of getting locked into a relationship that I don't feel anything for the same way that I got locked into a degree I grew to hate

>>16900784
Irrelevant, as I described my brother's capacity.

>>16900890
All in all, it's been a pretty depressing and pointless life so far. Always feeling like I'm wasting ammounts of potential that other people can only dream of having, yet never being able to get myself to put in the effort to realize that potential, and never finding a person to take on that effort with. My life has been filled with "what ifs" and bad choices made out of a severe lack of direction, plus I have never felt the satisfaction of hard work paying off cause everything I liked was effortless while everything I didn't like took an insurmountable ammount of effort that no payoff could make worth it (plus the things I like turn into things I don't like if I'm forced to do them enough times).
Sometimes I wish I pursued math and pushed myself mentally to the limit (even though I'm pretty sure it would have been a fucking trainwreck cause of the previously mentioned issues), sometimes I wish I didn't study at all and just partied the fuck out and became a tradesman later, working some manual job so exhausting that my mind has no time to overthink about anything. And so on.
Though, as I get older, I've started realizing that, even if I am relatively exceptional in some regards, I am so bad in other regards that overall I am actually just pretty mediocre at playing the game of life itself and the only way I could have become truly exceptional was by getting extremely lucky and happening to pursue exactly the things where my good qualities could shine without my bad qualities dragging me down, which unfortunately didn't happen in this universe and likely will not happen as I'm still not sure what those things are, if they even exist haha.
This has been bringing some calm to my mind, but I still fall into mental spirals going on and on about "what could have been" and so on very often.
If I could be reborn anew, I'd rather be an average person with average intellect, average social skills and live an average life to be honest.

>>16900894
Your post would have been less likely to cause confusion if you didn't use the word 'literally' in the bastardized version that it has become with certain online subgroups. Most could infer your meaning but it would be better if you broke your habit of misusing that word as a way of amplifying things instead of it being there to literally mean literally.

>>16900977
How's it feel to argue in favor of your own stupidity?

OP back or something.
Sorry for inactivity, was busy with irl stuff. Solved the problems. Im tired, need to let my body to recover otherwise I will burnout.

I've read every single post here. Thanks for you time.
Surprising to see so much "rare" people.
Regarding "IQ" number and intellegence. Well. I left a hidden hint when designing text for this thread. "IQ/intellegence?"
Probably too hidden. Some other parts of text too.

IQ is real. It indeed correlates with what person himself is. Personal experience, my "special interest" research, whatever. Pick word that you like the best. But, my own life experience shows that some people score too much, yet they are "dumb". I tried to look from every perspective. I was curious to see what im missing. Either I never actually found, or.. yes, IQ not 100% = intellegence. Thats why it was separated (IQ/intellegence).

So, yes. Most of you misunderstood probably.
I genuily found outliers in both ways. Dumb 130 IQ. Smart 105 IQ. Succesfull 110 IQ.
I have a lot of friends. Somehow.
What is funny, everyone who scored too bad was actually.. sadly, not smart.
World is cruel. No one decided who they wanna become when they get born. Probably. Maybe there is something that im not aware about. Im obsessed with truth, but couldnt find the answer.

Most (at least that I can directly "feel") of my worldview or opinions were simulated naturally. Most people care about others think. Happily, im free from such curse. Im glad that I was born this way.

Also, wanna drop something extra. Recently, found out something interesting. I suspected something, always. But confirmed it after multiple research and deep talks with random people (concetrated information)
Do you think it concepts or words? It feels like 1/3 of my thinking is human words. Rest of it needs translation into human words. Its probably weird, because when I feel bad (biology) my thinking dumbs down. But, im physically as perfect as I could make myself. Chrcrlimit, good luck.

>>16901172
Character limit is dumb.
From my research I can easily say that neurodivergency may multiply your IQ or in reverse make something worse.
Example.
Autism 1.2x (source of number: i made it up)
Intellegence = 1.
Something intellegence that differs from person to person = X
intellegence + intellegence variation + neurodivergency = Y
I hope it sounds coherent because I dont wanna overexplain it and hit character limit.
Or
Social skills = past experience, knowledge multiplied by intellegence, amount of knowledge multiplied by "noticing" + memory.
Autism, obviously, makes your social firmware corrupted. But, you notice more things because you're "retarded" whatever.

I hope you understood and recognizing similar thinking in this text. I just think that some things are better to be explain in this extremely basic way but funny looking one.

If someone expect something - I will dissapear for some time. This thread will probably die in this time. Anyway, I got something that i wanted and most people anyway went past filters to say dumb stuff. Whatever, I dont blame them. Maybe something bad happened in their lifes, its pseudo-anonymous board anyway. I hope those people are doing better now. But those who are truly disgusting - kill yourself, please. Or dont, Im not your mom.

Good luck to anyone who also got cursed with life. Just know that everything has explanation and hidden patterns. Even people. Even most complex themes. Whatever, I dont there is limit. Its kinda sad because eventually I might run out of things to solve. I will go insane from boredom when it will happen. I dislike how easy life became because it never was like that. Im confused and paranoid. My emotions driving me crazy. There should be something hidden that will ruin everything, but looks like I indeed did everything. Stastically impossible. Cant find hidden problems anymore.
Feel free to share your thoughts if you feel similar, if you managed to optimise your life too well too quickly.

I probably forgot something.
I think most of you will figure out or already figured it out at your own.
But just little help. But, dont listen to anyone, they might be schizo, including me.

Feeling of isolation is normal when you're still figuring your life out.
Feeling of isolation despite having social skills good enough to make friends is normal. Just find actual friends, even if it feels impossible. Its actually not that hard if you know where to look.
Feeling of alienation, feeling of as if you just always play a role instead of being yourself (otherwise neurotypicals will eat you alive) is normal. Yes.
Remember, most of times you did everything right. They are the problem.

To understand this better. Imagine that life is just pointless game. You will die anyway, dont be afraid of doing things.
Imagine that most people will never even think about life in this key. Too scared. They will never drop the acting because they are genuine actors. They will be actors until they die.
You can snap out. Some will go crazy. Some will just kill themselfes. But there is no point in that, you will die anyway. Be not afraid to risk. Be not afraid to do things. You will die anyway. Nothing to lose. You have nothing to lose. Never did.
But, if you're religious.. well, if it makes you feel better - be happy. Whatever. There is no point in anything. There are goals that you can set for yourself, but no point. Your neurochemistry controls you so much that you will believe different things or form different opinions depending on what was going in your brain. Its obvious. Always keep that in head. You were designed to spread your genes and be efficent at doing that. Thats it. Your reward system controls you like a puppet and only understanding death might allow you to see slightly, just slightly more.
Good luck, whatever.

>>16900902
>plus I have never felt the satisfaction of hard work paying off cause everything I liked was effortless while everything I didn't like took an insurmountable ammount of effort that no payoff could make worth it
Damn I feel this.
In hs we had the opportunity do do the CAE test. Didn't study for it, got 96%. Ehich got me a C2 rating. But my english has gotten worse since then.
Then the there was the matura exam. Only studied for the math part and only for like 3 days. Got 50% which was enough to pass. Got an A+ in all other parts.
I went to business school because I was too lazy to do anything harder
Then there was the college state exam. Studied for 2 days. Was sure I was gonna fail. Instead I got an A because I lucked out when picking questions. Hell I even got an A- for my shitty bachelor's thesis.
I managed to land an internship in a big manufacturing company and I get pretty decent pay. I even make more than my friends who work full-time.
But apart from work and school I do nothing. I don't have any passion, I don't have any hobbies apart from reading about history and fantasy lore, I don't really find anything fun. I just rot in bed and doomscroll for hours on end. I work out enough to stay kinda fit, but not consistently enough to make decent gains.
I honestly feel like a massive loser. I probably have decent potential but I do nothing with it because I'm so fucking lazy.

>>16900890
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>>16901192
These are overly verbose comments which mean nothing. It didn't use to be the case that threads were swamped with generic "my autism gave me high IQ, also autistic burnout is totally a real thing" so I call bots.

>>16898686
What do you mean by "neurodivergent"?

I don't have assburgers, ADHD, or any of that other nonsense. However, I do think quite differently than anyone I have ever met and people usually comment on my intellect and unusual thinking patterns and worldview after knowing me for as little as a few minutes.

Am I not neurodivergent because I don't fit into any of the assigned boxes?

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>>16901180
I didn't expect anything in return when I posted, but reading this has made me regret the time I spent.

>>16898816

This gay ass board needs to stop obsessing over "intelligence"

>>16901786
Why?

>>16901796
It is a mean to an end.

>>16902000
idgi

I'm a 156-IQ pussy slayer (not lying), ask me anything.

>>16898686
He's right, there is a blue one right there

>>16903844
He's incorrect because he phrased his statement as a disagreement when his statement in fact does not disagree with the first person's assertion. "Most of these circles are red." indicates that not 100% of them are red, which guarantees the existence of non-red circles, of which blue is a possibility. The phrasing of the brainrot person's statement "What? ... you retard!" makes the contextual claim that the first person did not realize that a non-red circle existed, which is incorrect. He fails to grasp the complete context of the initial claim and falsely presumes its own falsehood.

This is a common mistake autistic people make and it's why their rebuttals are often not worth trusting, especially when ironically accompanied by unwarranted vitriol.

>>16898686
General anxiety isn't talked about often.
I am raping my -what otherwise would have been a great academic career- by having anxiety that's so bad I can't talk to people and I vomit before exams.
It's has ventured into ocd territory where i have to check if what i have done is correct 10 times, solve every textbook question, write everything down and ask myself the most obtuse questions because i have 0 confidence in my mental ability despite me double majoring and having straight As.

I have to apply to PhD with deadline in april and i literally don't have a single staff that can write me a recommendation letter, none of them know me. I am dreading asking one for a letter so much I'm thinking of just giving up and neetbuxing

>>16905709
Do you think the anxiety, OCD, and everything else gets worse with age? I'm 31 now, I've been through a lot of hardening experiences, but I feel more fragile to negative stimulus than I've ever been before.

born premature - autism. many such cases. my iq is mid 130s and i like trying to use research chemicals in lieu of doctors as much as i can, i'm about to go pick up some 4'-DMA-7,8-DHF right now. also recently learned i may have schizotypal personality disorder, so that's something

>>16903845
The unintentional irony in your last sentence is absolutely amazing. You are the very thing you were pointing out as being wrong.

>>16905770
if you have schizotypal then you don't have autism, those are completely different

>>16905957
i don't think that's really true at all, but i don't really think i have autism anyway, i should have wrote "diagnosed autistic", but it's honestly not something i've ever felt characterized by, just what i was told as a kid.

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>>16898686
Diagnosed with autism, paranoid schizophrenia and ASPD
Tested and have 142 IQ
Bachelors in electrical engineering
Long career of job hopping in STEM (electrical engineer, python backend engineer API engineer, ML engineer, cybersecurity and networking engineer)
Currently AI engineer working as basic bitch MLops and LLM integration with Langchain, agentic shit
Juggling 2 jobs
Have a scientific idea in the making (have a prototype and functional model, pushing for full patent and investments)
Learning Mandarin

I would say I am pretty smart

>>16905960
schizotypals display autistic thinking but they are not autistic because they belong in the schizophrenic spectrum, so in addition to autistic thinking, they also have schizophrenic kind of magical thinking, so they are more flexible, more creative and less rigid, do you take any medication, stimulants, antipsychotics, etc?

>>16906303
stimulants, suffer bad from motivational anhedonia, easily the most defining issue in my life from my perspective. i take an rc stim called cyclazodone, an n-cyclopropyl derivative of pemoline, and as far as i can tell it is an NDRI similar to buproprion but with a stronger dopamine component mg to mg

>>16906370
does it help? have you tried vyvanse, ritalin? what dosage do you consider therapeutic?

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>>16898686
What do you want to know? henlo frends
t. "high above average" IQ AuDHD

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>>16898686
I'm schizotypal and high functioning so I got lucky and ended up becoming the creative kind of schizo that picks up on deep patterns other people don't notice and then I can figure out solutions nobody is thinking of, but my IQ itself is not actually a genius or anything. I'm just "above average" but nothing special. Yet people think I'm like a genius or something just because I pick up on the things other people are ignoring or not noticing.

>>16906473
oh it has been life changing, very very few things motivate me, even addictive drugs or gambling won't hook me, as soon as it becomes at all unpleasant or effortful i acutely lose all energy or interest in it. i can't recommend anyone do any rc, i have mild pharmacology autism and value the freedom enough to eat the risk and cost

but yeah it has little to no body high, few side effects, stabilizes my sleep schedule. no experiences with other adhd meds. the one patent paper says it is mg per mg as stimulating as d-amph, i take 20mg 3x a day about once every 5.5 hours, which covers a full day of being awake for me just about. if i were to approximate this with normal drugs, it might be (buproprion or modafinil) + very low dose dexedrine (like 5mg maybe)

>>16906585
can you work a job, or are you a neet

>>16906595
i do contract work online, my ability to do it consistent and for enough hours depends a lot on my environment and whether i have access to my rcs or not. in ideal conditions i can, and if i get into a good routine i can sustain it

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>>16906637
oh, but i've never had a traditional job though, and i honestly don't think i could do it, i wouldn't be able to stand being ordered around and stuff. i barely passed hs and refused to do college. if i worked my current job full time, i'd make an upper-middle class amount

I was never diagnosed with anything but there's prolly something wrong with me considering I don't have any friends and can't make connections with people.
I was never tested but i have a perfect gpa.
I find comfort in math and knowledge in general because it gives me a logical mechanistic view of the fluid and messy real world.
I spent an entire year taking extra credits I don't need in economic and psychology to help me decipher people

Oh guys, it's so painful. I suppose I am high IQ or, at the least, high need for cognition. I won't test my IQ, despite my interests in cognitive science, as I have terrible test-taking anxiety (I perform very well on WAIS and Raven's matrices, anyway)... For this reason I haven't had an education either. And so it's impossible to get a mentally stimulating job.

I don't see eye to eye with anyone at all, try to work but seem to be hated at the workplace by normies whose behaviour has to be processed through an extreme 'mask', yes, it's true.

I used to make it bearable by travelling through Europe and substituting a stimulating work environment with simply having to work in many different languages with people from different backgrounds. This is how I can converse in Polish, Ukrainian, Latvian, Estonian, Finnish, et al. Brexit has completely broken me and I gain no satisfaction from life any more.

Interests: Cognitive science, philosophy, algebra & topology, languages like Sanskrit, Arabic, Ancient Greek, Middle Chinese, piano, electronic music, playing Go, RTS or Metroidbrainia-type games, dark economic realities and complicated financial instruments, etc.

Like the poster above, I am an intuitive thinker or what's better called a "synthetic" thinker as I tend to look first at the big picture.

Despite my academic abilities, being locked out of academia has limited their impact in my life, so my application of intuition combined with logic is the thing that tends to impress people- being able to make a recipe perfectly first try, point out the narrative decisions in a film's plot, or find the perfect hook to sell something, or whatever, really. Yet in a manual labour environment this doesn't translate at all as the normie herd mentality takes over and physical cues rule over all.

So yes, it's totally isolating and I really suggest any of you who have mentally stimulating things and people around you hold onto them for dear life. Make the most of university!

>>16906577
based and lovely image anon

>>16906738
Why is this thread flooded with this whole bullshit
>I have an IQ of 140
>I have a diagnosis of autism, ADHD and schizophrenia despite all these diagnoses robustly associated with low IQ.
>Somehow these made up diseases make me special.

>>16906752
You didn't read my post, though, did you? Which proves that you're just the blue ball idiot from the OP.

1. I made no claim to be autistic or anything.
2. I didn't say anything about being special, merely isolated.

You read my post entirely based on 'vibes'. Get out, normgroid.

>>16906752
>autism
The asperger's subtype autists have remarkable cognitive skill in specific tasks.
>Adhd
No connection to iq
>Schizophrenia
Schziotypal personality is a completely different thing.
Regardless, even though the mean of the inflicted population is lower, unless it's several sd bellow the normal pop mean, the upper percentiles of the inflicted pop would still be above average in the normal pop

>>16906772
>The asperger's subtype autists have remarkable cognitive skill in specific tasks.
And the non-asperger tier is usually mentally retarded. For some reason, however, we're supposed to pretend it's the same thing.
>ADHD
Average IQ of somebody diagnosed with ADHD is in the upper 80s.
>Schziotypal personality is a completely different thing.
Now, Asperger's and low-functioning retard autism are the same but the slight alteration from classic schizophrenia is a completely different thing. Peculiar.

>>16906760
It's a wall of gibberish, mostly. Looks like it's AI-generated so I don't read it.

>>16906752
none of these labels are very meaningful on their own. autism, adhd, and schizotypy (despite the constant refuting otherwise from dummies in this thread) all overlap in many of their issues, and that reflects common problems in similar areas of brain circuitry, and psychiatry as a practice doesn't have the tools (or, really, the conception) to consider their diseases that way, unlike every other field of medicine. in other words, it is less precise even though we can say that someone with adhd who can't focus has faulty circuitry in their prefrontal cortex, and an autistic person with bad executive dysfunction can be said to have the same, and someone with schizophrenic or psychotic tendencies also has dysfunctioning in this region.

none of that has to touch intelligence, so saying "these things are associated with low iq whats going on lol" is ignoring the proximate causes of those associations.

>>16906793
>and that reflects common problems in similar areas of brain circuitry
That's an unsubstantiated claim. Psychology, so far, has spectacularly failed at finding such correlates.
>it is less precise even though we can say that someone with adhd who can't focus has faulty circuitry in their prefrontal cortex
No, we can't. Lol. The system just aggressively proclaims and promotes pseudo diseases to explain social problems that some people have.

>>16906807
ok retard

>>16906775
>Now, Asperger's and low-functioning retard autism are the same but the slight alteration from classic schizophrenia is a completely different thing. Peculiar.
Ok you beat me.
Regardless, a >95 percentile (in the specific population) intelligence schizo, autist, etc is probably still above average (of general population) intelligence.
There is also the savant effect

>>16898686
I am a diagnosed midwit

>>16898686
I have autism and hate my life

>>16906775
Schizotypal personality disorder used to be the same thing as borderline personality disorder in the DSM-3.

Schizotypal personality disorder has always been completely unrelated to schizophrenia. It also has nothing to do with schizotypy. You people do realize words exist that share the same prefix (like "pre") which have nothing to do with each other?

>>16907059
Now you are being disingenuous, its not completely unrelated to schizophrenia and people with schizotypal are at risk of schizophrenia.

>>16906638
i would like to talk you more anon, i think we are very similar

ITT:
>Schizos
>Incels
>Retards with executive dysfunction and egos the size of Egypt

>>16907396
Egypt is a rather small and insignificant country.

>>16906752
I don't understand the issue? People that are interested in science are probably higher on the autistic spectrum than average, and people on this board are more likely to be higher IQ than average. Also, autism and ADHD overlap to a significant degree.

>>16907890
>>16907396
Also, autistic people are significantly more likely to be incels so no surprises there yet again.

>>16906370
where can i get this rc if i'm not from america, i've shipped lsd before from a company in canada while paying in crypto

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I have been reading some of your posts, and every one of you sounds like a cool and interesting person
Even the one sentence posts that didn't get any replies, I see you <3

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Have any of you done DBT? (Dialletical Behavioral Therapy)

I am thinking of how to use the Cope Ahead skill in Emotional Regulation if I'm feeling lonely, sad, unnoticed, or inadequate on Valentine's Day.
Regardless, you are all invited to be my Valentines <3

Also I'm surprised at the amount of overlap we ADHD/autists have with schizos and schizoaffective types.
I for one, am happy for this newfound brotherhood and will be sure to include you based schizos more often.

I was thinking we should have an ongoing thread for us high iq audhd anons and friends to suppport each other. I'm diagnosed adhd, but I welcome anyone who relates even with no diagnosis, to join and share their perspective.
Peace

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>>16909261
please don't try to "include" us schizos.

One of the defining features of being schizoid, schizotypal, or any other "schizo", is profound introversion and a lack of emotional affect or any interest in social relationships for their own sake. We don't get lonely. Other people end up getting hurt by how dissociated we can be constantly because we don't miss anyone ever. It's not even like, bitterness, it's not "fuck you for abandoning me, now I'll abandon all of you", it's biological. It's a defining feature of the syndrome. We just want to be left alone so we can pursue our schizo interests without feeling harassed, manipulated, or worse. This is the source of all the schizo paranoia you see. We don't trust people, ever. We don't "trust" in general. We can't even tell what's real most of the time. Imagine that for one second. You have to play all kinds of stupid neurotic games other people don't have to do, just so you can remind yourself of what's not going try and eat you suddenly and for no apparent reason.

Basically, treat us like skittish independent cats who don't like being picked up because they were mistreated or something. Let us come to you when we're ready, and just expect that we will ghost you sometimes or ninja vanish suddenly and with no indication why, and we may or may not ever return after that, again, no explanation given. Exactly like some alley cat or something.

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>>16909271
Thanks, that's pretty insightful and helps me understand some social interactions I've had in the past (when trying to be more inviting of people).
Cool cat, and very nice fallen angel painting

>>16898816
yeah, like me.

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Visual
Proof
Confirmation

https://youtu.be/VPzqRpsbrGk?si=mHliZ_blyRFbjngP

>>16899786
people have no clue about the technical side of things. most likely, 4chan and your ISP are have an obligation (depending on laws in your country) to keep records of metadata (IP address, time of access, ...), and maybe even a record of messages and images.

How do anons with adhd manage to stay motivated and disciplined? Like when you have an important but boring and time consuming task. How do you force yourself to do it?
I have these bursts of incredible focus when something interests me. Like a week ago I spent 16 hours reading hundreds of pages of 18th century church records because I wanted to find some relatives and build my family tree. But even an hour of studying for an exam feels like torture.

>>16898990
We are brothers, you and I. Only difference is I got a degree in cmsc but the market is so shit it didn't mattee.

>>16898686
ADHD & OCD ~120. Not crazy smart, but higher than normal pattern recognition. I always see issues before they happen, but forced to react instead of proactivly because people around me dont see the issue, they need to experence it .

>>16905944
On the contrary, I am not "on the spectrum", I am simply proficient in anticipating the idiotic reactions of non-intelligent people like yourself who are, and preemptively defeating them. It's called basic pattern recognition, lurk a little more newfag.

>>16903845
What? I'm autistic and I get this meme, retard.

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>>16910063
>How do anons with adhd manage to stay motivated and disciplined?
I treat motivation as a resource that is depleted daily and is not to be relied on.
I do allow myself to let my interest carry me and get lost in whatever I want to learn about in the moment. But also I have practiced setting boundaries with myself "I'll play until I finish this part of the quest", practiced using the Stop skill, I tell other people about small accomplishments and force myself to be cheery and proud about it even if it's a tiny step forward.
It's not a one-time thing. Sometimes I'll stop myself, get distracted again, stop, distracted, stop, finally productive. Be kind to yourself if you don't strictly meet the numeric goal you set, it's alright, you're making a genuine effort and it shows.

It's not just you, procrastination and discipline are some of the biggest struggles for us.
If you feel you can't do an hour at once, maybe try being satisfied with 15 minutes or one practice question and feeling good about it. Then if you get stressed about how 15 mins was not good enough because it's not an hour, tell yourself it's okay to feel that way and be aware of it for a few moments, then move on.

Having a habit or routine (doesn't have to be an everyday thing) will make things much easier as far as not having to rely on motivation. It gets easier.

Take my advice with a grain of salt though, I'm a 3 time dropout from severe procrastination issues in the past. I'm excited to take on the academic world again now that I have ways to set myself up for success instead of last minute catastrophes (sometimes inevitable, that's alright).


I'll post a picture of a procrastination advice sheet I got. (later)
And that's really cool how you got carried away for many hours doing something that suddenly catches your specific interests <3
For me it's disaster breakdowns, inventions, and languages

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>>16898686
Ever since I have been able to walk, I have paced while pointing an elongated object (now a pencil) near my eye and lightly touching it to my cheeks.
While pacing in this form (stimming), I am able to focus incredibly clearly on problem domains and visualize whatever I want. It is like an advanced form of daydreaming.
I can stim for hours, everyday.
Here is a screenshot of a hash table implementation that I have outperforming Google's Swiss Table. just one of my many projects.

>>16907346
sorry, forgot about this thread. i have a throwaway shitsscord i use to talk to people from here, add me goober.annhilation, or if you would prefer email or something i can do that instead. don't expect too much interaction tho, i'm in a bit of a slump atm

Schizotypal here, I hang out in vrchat a lot, but I don't really have many friends or groups I hang out with, I just wander around public worlds by myself evesdropping on random conversations that I pick up on, or just watching people like some creep watching kids play at the park while he feeds the ducks or something.

I dunno, I'm a fucking stranger on this earth. I don't know what I'm even doing here. I don't understand how everyone around me thinks any of the shit happening on this world matters or gives a shit about any of this noise. I feel like a tourist in a foreign country that got lost, missed the bus, and was just left behind.

>>16898816
>most of the 'smart' people you find on the internet are autistic midwits over represented in either spatial or verbal categories, truly intelligent people would not spend most of their time here,
Spearman's law of diminishing returns, there is no "true universall intelligence". 99.99 percentile spatial ability is pretty much uncorrelated with 99.99 percentile verbal ability.

>>16912541
leibniz, goethe, plato, kant these people probably had both high spatial and verbal, that law only appears to average normies and seems to correlate with interest rather than raw ability

>>16912631
Uncorrelatedness of 99.99 percentile ability in two different skills doesn't mean it's impossible to have both.
Statistically speaking, someone is prolly gonna get lucky and get 99.99 percentile in everything and also be 2m tall and have 25cm cock

>>16912635
yes that's the entire point of intelligence, having a 145-160 iq means you are more likely to have both, that's why they're in the 99.99 percentile

>>16912645
Yes but spearman's law of diminishing returns says that the farther you go from the mean the weaker the relation.
The confidence interval of Y|X=x becomes wider when x deviates away from the mean. 60 percentile spatial means high liklihood of being 60 percentile verbal. 99.99 percentile spatial doesn't mean high likelihood of 99.99 percentile verbal, the confidence interval becomes wide

>>16912649
you are arguing from a point of collecting data, while i am arguing about what already exists, think about this in the sense that we know stars exist, so if we found them, they would most certainly be hot gases, you can't introduce statistics where certainty is already guaranteed, i am saying that truly intelligent people have both, you are saying that stars can't be both gaseous and hot, and i am countering that by saying that, you only say that because there are very few who openly demonstrate that because of interest rather than raw ability, just because a genius chooses to do one thing only doesn't mean they have no raw ability to do another thing, which is what iq measures, ability, not interest, beyond a certain iq, yes, true intelligence exists, but you only see it because of the person's interests

>>16898686
>>16900122
I don't know if I am above average IQ. I have not been diagnosed but I suspect that I have ADHD and/or autism. Just wanted to say that if this is actual academic research that your methodology is biased and flawed as >>16899981 pointed out. You're only ever receiving input from people that are willing to share which is not representative of the population you want to study especially for socially recluse autists.

>>16912541
Why wouldnt they tho
descartes would shitpost here the second he saw his meme

>>16898686
>One dude claimed to have AuDHD and 140 iq, but i found more info about his life and he lives with his family and just has typical autistic (stereotypical, "dumb" type) interests without anything "gifted" in his life.
and this board totally doesn't have any of those kinds of people because.....because....uhm...........

>>16912541
in the european-descended population alone, there are >100,000 of them. on population scales, 0.0001% is still a pretty significant amount of realized people
>>16898816
also a dumb argument considering it relies half on identity on an anonymous imageboard

Notice how you still haven't answered my question.

I ate breakfast this morning.

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High IQ anons, what's your greatest achievement in life?