Piece of dogshit - editionprevious >>16913749
Starliner love
>>16916466*rape
https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/2024576713858912566>Here's Boeing's statement regarding the Starliner Crew Flight Test report discussed today:
>starliner still kill>sls delayed>starship delayed>vast delayed>new shepard dead>vulcan still fucked>spacex pivot away from marsdark times
Cancel gatewayCancel starliner too
umm doomsisters it seems like NASA solved the hydrogen leak, how are we going to spin this one as bad??
>>16916464Starliner made it to orbit, Starship didn’t.
>SpaceX can land its rockets in The Bahamas again — and will do so very soon>A Falcon 9 first stage will land on a drone ship in Exuma Sound during the Starlink Group 10-36 mission, which will launch 29 of the broadband satellites to low Earth orbit from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station.>Liftoff is currently scheduled for Thursday (Feb. 19), during a four-hour window that opens at 5 p.m. EST (2200 GMT).https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/spacex-resume-rocket-landings-bahamas-after-starship-mishap-debris
fucks going on?https://nitter.net/Acyn/status/2024576497676407294#m
>>16916480Trump is a retard.
>Disagreement over crew return options deteriorated into unprofessional conduct while the crew remained on-orbit
>>16916483it should be like that when lives are on the line
Starliner investigation report from NASA, for anyone that wants to read it.https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/nasa-report-with-redactions-021926.pdf?emrc=76e561
>>16916483i bet someone said a naughty word
>>16916480He's making a little joke about how they were after him for the "classified documents" fiasco
>>16916487>NASA Human Factors interviews>66 NASA and Boeing employees, NASAHFACS framework>The Starliner mission delays and uncrewed return were caused by a mix of technical issues as well as human and organizational factors. Most NASA interviewees agreed that returning the crew on Dragon was ultimately the right decision while many Boeing employees disagreed, downplaying the technical risks. These differing risk perspectives persist today. Addressing organizational issues- such as expectations, assumptions, and requirements- offers a critical path forward to preventing future human and organizational factors from exacerbating performance problems and improving overall mission safety.>5.2.3 Leadership>Boeing mission leadership just wants to undoock, risks be damned, because that's what they did when they worked Shuttle>"People said, ‘Why bother? He’s driving in one direction and that’s what he wants.’">Strong personalities within CCP and Boeing were seen as overly optimistic in presenting data, which some interviewees interpreted as lobbying rather than objective analysis.>"If you weren’t aligned with the desired outcome, your input was filtered out or dismissed.">"I heard them berate the safety engineers off muted mics.">"It’s not an environment that is inviting to dissenting opinions.">Following the mission, many interviewees perceived a lack of accountability among senior leaders, noting a greater emphasis on managing public perception instead of acknowledging and addressing the mission’s significant failures. Rather than demonstrating ownership of the issues, leaders were perceived as deflecting responsibility, which undermined trust within the workforce and among key stakeholders.
>>16916487Though also>“NASA wasn't blaming Boeing, but everybody else was. […] You know, it's our program. We're responsible too. Nobody said that. And nobody within NASA [or outside of NASA] has been held accountable. Nobody. We're 11 months after it happened, and there's been no accountability at all, from any organization.”>STAR team (general CCP investigation) General findings (excerpt)>Resources and skills were not adequate during key design activities prior to contract award>The rigor in resolving issues identified by NASA during design reviews was less than expected.>At the beginning of CCtCap, the focus was on SpaceX human spaceflight design maturity, with a preconceived notion that Boeing was more experienced in human spaceflight.>NASA was unwilling to enforce the contract terms on Boeing due to prior cost and schedule over-runs and the potential consequence of enforcement.>Shared Accountability Model did not operate as planned. The burden was on NASA to prove it was unsafe.>Qualification tests had shortcomings.>Lack of spare hardware available impacted ability to conduct testing when technical/performance questions arose.>Unrealistic launch dates influenced Boeing design and build decision making.
>>16916480Of course aliens are real, he just deported like 300,000 of them
>>16916497whats the one on the right?
>>16916500Florida gigabay
nasa ninjas dont look as cool as the spacex ones
test
>>16916497>>16916505these things arent going to be finished until the end of the year at this rate
>>16916500https://youtu.be/Pr8dwTk8d40?si=IYtuv7nYH_UBbEeN&t=300
>>16916509Of course not, 1st tower trench won't be finished either.
>There are some people that just don’t like each other very much, and that really manifesteditself during CFTany catfights caught on video?
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/2024573085597225109
>>16916506thats the spirit
>>16916483Sounds like someone stood up to Boeing tards
Starliner will never fly again.
>>16916492Boeing did nothing wrong. They got shafted for the meme so the government goons could sidestep responsibility. Pathetic.
>>16916522I know you’re just joking but it’s worth reiterating that this is entirely boeing’s fault and they purposefully hid data from NASA to save face and try to keep up the facade of prestige and nearly killed two astronauts, and seem to have no remorse for doing any of this
>>16916521
>>16916525Oh is that so? That’s not what the documents say.>it’s just a jokeWhen you’re trying to gargle on daddy Trump and Lonny it’s easy to dismiss anyone pointing out their failings as just humorous jokesters I guess
>>16916521Based. Fuck boing
>>16916525Boeing leadership should probably be deposed and executed. Accountability
I think Berger is now also on Blue's payroll. Thoughts?
>>16916525it seems like a great deal of fault lies with NASA ignoring the apparently obvious signs that Starliner was having an incredibly troubled development and green lit a crewed launch without closing out several issues with the craft. claiming this is entirely Boeings fault just reeks of Challenger levels of horseshit
Starship parts washing up in a Tambohorano commune in Madagascar. From the rough translation it suggests 3 months are being given for it to be retrieved or it will become their property.There's a facebook link, but I can't add it to this post because it's being considered as spam
>>16916567You can get the link from this posthttps://x.com/mcrs987/status/2024596978282197428
>>16916480We're in slow-motion disclosure.Spielberg's been part of the public opinion management on aliens for decades, and he has a movie coming out in June that's just a palatable mush of half-truths to prime the masses for info coming out over the next 10-ish years.The real kicker is that they're not "aliens," just humans from previous interglacial periods.
>>16916567cool
>>16916567I just sent a message to them to cut it up and sell small parts to us for a discount
>>16916567This is bad
>>16916570Boomer hippies still believe in UFOs, aliens, and bigfoot lmao
>>16916582VERY. Those engineers pictured at the scene are already replicating our technology at a rate much faster than China, by an order of magnitude. The race to the moon and Mars is lost to Madagascar. It's over.
>>16916567Would make a hell of a still pot.
>2 hours left for the Artemis II Fueling TestWill the test be successful this time? Place your bets now!
>>16916597crew is about to leave, so hopefully everything goes well after that.
>>16916597last time it took 6 months, so i cant really find myself being hopeful about this test
>>16916597No. Isaacson already said Boeing failed bigly
>>16916602what you mean is they had 6 months to practice and nail down the procedure
>>16916487This made Type A when Skylab didn'tI'm starting to think they weren't telling us everything about the thruster failure during dockIt sounds like the astronauts saved themselves and the ISS from complete catastrophe and should be getting fucking medals
>>16916487>Rocketdyne fucked Boeing with a bad thermal model and no one at Boeing checked their workHow do these people keep getting work
>>16916606Isaacman was pretty clear in the presser that if it wasn't for Butch and Suni and the flight controllers on console using all their savvy and breaking standard flight rules to bring back the thrusters they probably wouldn't have made it.
Thank God for Boeing. NASA might have fucked the Starliner situation up even harder without their oversight.
Venus is the most beautiful body in the Solar System
>>16916628t. slime made out of liquid lead
>>16916480>m-muh aliens! ---increasingly nervous CIAnigger
https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/2024617161130725396
>>16916469Boeing statement: "Wesa gonna die!"
one chance at life and I had to be born as a c*rbon based form, god fucking damnnit
>>16916487Due to the loss of the spacecraft’s maneuverability as the crew approached the space station and the associated financial damages incurred, NASA has classified the test flight as a Type A mishap. While there were no injuries and the mission regained control prior to docking, this highest-level classification designation recognizes there was potential for a significant mishap.
L-42
>>16916628The Pristine Snow Ball versus the Filthy Rotten Orange.
>>16916640Venus is still worthless.
>>16916642Mars is worthless
>>16916470a new thing to add to the list:>SpaceX has entered the bidding for a $100 million competition to create voice-controlled, AI-enabled drone swarms.in other words, SpaceX is joining the military industrial complex.
>>16916644Mars is worth far more than Venus.
>>16916645This disgusts me. Lil Lonny dipshit needs to be removed from power
Trying to force shitty memes should be a bannable offense.
>>16916646I see no reason for that to be true. Venus has a greater mass than Mars and should have a better "rare" (i.e. iron) element disturbtion, thanks to being closer to Sol.
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2024610072706355444https://techcrunch.com/2026/02/19/spacexs-starbase-city-is-getting-its-own-court/
20 minutes... hydrogen is behaving?
>>16916653don't fucking jinx it
don't forget to do your taxes, /sfg/
>>16916651>>16916646>It's too hot you'll never get the Iron.TURN ON THE AC IN YOUR EXCAVATOR! If you stood exposed on the surface of Mars or Venus you would die. If you can pump pressurized air into the mining rig on Mars you can pump cold air into the one on Venus. Nobody can explain why it's diffrent.
>>16916645real? whats the point? why would spacex do this instead of tesla? its out of spacex's domain even with xAI.
>>16916651Neither man nor machine is capable of surviving the prevailing conditions of the Venusian surface. There is no way to fix that with existing technologies.
A source recently told Ars that two NASA astronauts, Woody Hoburg and Jessica Wittner, have begun training for a potential “Starliner-2” mission that could take flight during the first half of next year, should the uncrewed test flight in 2026 go well."Hoburg Memorial Middle School"
Mars is the reddit planet. Venus is for real chads and contrarians and explorers with faith of the heart.
>>16916660Who do you have to piss off to be slated to a starshit death flight
>>16916660I've met Woody. cool dude.
Boeing Starliner: 3 flights, thrusters failed on every flight, 18 total thruster failures.
>HOLDyeah im out
>>16916660They're goners
its over
>>16916671Why did NASA do this?
>>16916660I've met Woody. told me he had gay sex with a /sfg/ anon so I put him on this starshit death flight
So when are Boeing employees going to be held accountable for attempted manslaughter?
Ayylmao
>>16916683anything to get attention off the epstein files
CLOCK IS RUNNING!
ARM
>>16916683I am literally never voting again ever in my life I am so tired of the circus. And we don’t even have bread…
>>16916659Most of the metals tested in the study I took this graph from retained more than 80% of their strength at the surface temperatures of Venus. Copper, bronze, and stainless steel aren't typically made structurally integral materials anyway. A material 80% as strong as structural steel can't be used to build anything?
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1mnGeNAompvJXstarlink
>>16916688I bet you haven't gone a day without eating in your life you bitchy faggot
>>16916689You need more than an inert chunk of metal to do anything of value.
liftoff
>>16916657Well if it's not just a bribe or money laundering disguised as graft, I'd say it's because SpaceX has access to an entire network of orbital satellites which can be used to maintain communications with and transmit nav data from drone swarms, and Tesla does not.Sounds like they might think fiber optic tethers is a meme, because they want to move away from individual meat operators towards literally skynet.
>>16916689Electronics don't work at that temperature
another one
>>16916698>>16916694Man kind made it quite far without modern computers computers. Vostok-1, the Rocket that made the first man commit space flight, had an entirely mechanical clockwork computer.This is, of course, ignoring man kinds long-standing ability to build buildings where it is one temperature on the inside but a different temperature on the outside.
>>16916707The degree of heat rejection and the temperature differential being asked for is an order of magnitude beyond anything requested before.
>>16916683Anything to get attention off the war in Iran
>>16916713There is no war in Iran. Yet.
>>16916483saucerino?
>>16916713Getting attention away from Iran would mean not talking about it. He talks about, and even posts about it everyday. You're not smart.
>>16916716https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/nasa-report-with-redactions-021926.pdf
Is it possible?Will Orion actually complete a crewed mission this year?And before Starliner?
>>16916711No that's wrong. We maintain large heated rooms at thousands of degrees surronded by an atmosphere that is less than the 100°C. Why would we be unable to do the opposite? Why is it possible to insulate a hot room from a relatively cold planet but not a cold room from a hot planet.Are you a material scientist do you know something I don't about insulators?
give me an S!
>>16916659>There is no way to fix that with existing technologies.
>>16916723I see Jesus
>>16916720Heat only flows from hot to cold. The process for getting around that involves adding more heat to the system which also needs to be rejected, and must be hotter than the environment it's being rejected into. Making a hot box is trivial. Making a cold box is not.
>>16916718>If you weren’t aligned with the desired outcome, your input was filtered out or dismissed
>>16916720you can insulate the hot room from the outside colder area somewhat, but it will still lose heat, but that can be fixed by heating it up a bitin the opposite case you would have to refrigerate the cold room as heat would slowly seep in but the problem here are the temperature differencesit should be possible in principle, but it would require massive amounts of power and you would have to create that power somewhere outside the cold room because otherwise it would just heat it upperhaps you could have some kind of power plant that works in thousands of degrees of ambient temperature but idk, basically everything melts, so you would probably have to bring power through a wire from the colder upper atmosphere where you could have a power plantprobably not impossible but what you suggest is not something that has been done ever
speaking of the WB57, how is it doing?
>>16916727>>16916720https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk_4eccee8e-ad7e-4609-9b59-080cb022c2ab
>>16916731I HATE HOW AI WRITES GOD FUCKING DAMN
>>16916725I am well aware that heating is easier than cooling. The question was if thermal insulators work the same for cold box in hot land and hot box in cold land, which I'm 99% certain they do. Then it's easy to just bring more cold air to the cold box, Venus has two surfaces, at the other surface (the type Sol, Juipiter, and Saturn have) it's only a little hotter than Earth is.>>16916727Why not bring new air to the insulated container? Don't tell me large-scale air circulation has never been done because humans make CO2 from oxygen it would be needed on Mars, too.Also, nuclear reactors work this way, cooling by bringing new cold water and "throwing out" "used" hot water. Water is less fluid than either Earth or Venus atmosphere.
>>16916731>This is essentially a nuclear-powered, actively cooled Venus habitat module—doable on paper with today's materials, just very heavy and expensive. Concepts like this appear in NASA Venus lander/power papers (e.g., Stirling duplex systems). Scaling up or optimizing insulation/COP would make it more practical. If you specify a different room size or power source preference, I can refine the numbers!
>>16916734bring it from where?I think you might be misunderstanding some basics
>>16916736The wonderful thing about having a real atmosphere (yes I'm well aware Mars technically has one) is passive flight, the upside to having an atmospheric pressure of 93 bar is flight becomes trivial.The cold air comes from the "boats" where everything but raw resources come from.
>>16916740
>>16916740we literally already fly stuff on mars
>>16916744A helicopter is not passive flight. Nothing floats on Mars.
>>16916747oh, you mean lighter than air. I figured you meant gliders which is also retarded.you know there's a reason we've all but abandoned lighter than air flight.
>>16916747Grok, is she right?No way! Hot air balloons, specifically solar-heated Montgolfieres, are a promising, low-cost technology for Martian exploration, allowing for long-distance aerial imaging, atmospheric measurements, and sampling of diverse terrains. Due to the thin atmosphere, they must be large, lightweight, and utilize sun-heated air for buoyancy, often requiring specialized, robust deployment systems.
>>16916753You mean on Earth where we live? Yeah we've abandoned lighter than air travel here. 1 air on Venus is 40 Earth airs.
Anyone who doesn't believe in balloon society can't be my friend. They have no faith in human ingenuity and have no whimsy in their hearts.
Countdown started again
wouldn't be funny if something malfunctioned and the thing went ahead an launched?
>>16916761it would require several malfunctions and physical work done to the boosters
>>16916762so you're telling me there's a chance?
>>16916763What does this look like, a Chinese space startup
>>16916689What I'm learning from this graph is that we should be making more spacecraft out of wrought iron
>>16916780???
>>16916720Because we can easily generate heat which is then trapped by the insulation We can't easily generate coldThis is also why lava tubes on venus are no escape from the heat
SpaceX/Musk vindicated again. They told you guys it was all politics at the highest level
>>16916567
>>16916688I feel ya>>169166918 days is plenty enough to hurt
If FTL travel was real why wouldn't we be enslaved or dead. I don't know why I would believe somebody who buys children for sex to be honest
>>16916786It's not much cold required... but what am I talking about balloons can't lower and lift things, balloons on Mars are about the height of balloon to mass lifted. If Balloons aren't practical for lifting a 3,000 cubic foot box on Mars it litteraly can't be done.
>>16916803>Rick Wilson>Lincoln Projectno
>>16916811You definitely could make it work somehow. Maybe good insulation, and a balloon filled with phase change material that will evaporate after a while and lift the prob back into the temperate zone to cool off
so what was the official result of the sls test? are we gaan soon or not?
>>16916805What makes you think you're not enslaved right now, little mon-keigh?
>>16916819Aced it, which is why the thread is so quiet right now.https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/02/19/nasa-begins-artemis-ii-launch-pad-ops-after-successful-fuel-test/
>okay we're going to test Starship by launching it and blowing it up in the sky>launch window is 3:35 AMSomeone explain this shit to me, why would launch windows even matter when you're destroying it anyways?
>>16916830Tradition
>>16916826>As part of a Golden Age of innovation and exploration, Artemis will pave the way for new U.S. crewed missions on the lunar surface in preparation to send the first astronauts to Mars. soon
>>16916830Because actual planes flying around the airspace with passengers?
>>16916818Mining outposts inevitably require logistics, if we are talking full scale colonies that exist to do more than just mine. Be it boats, trains or even trucks, it's just impossible that all the resources you want and need are going to be all clumped together. Under your colony. Just constant Balloon convoys taking cooled air down and resources back up.
>>16916837Masses of ice would be a better coolant than air. Thick insulation, and a chunk of ice slowly melting. Then before it melts away, your balloon activates to lift you back into the upper atmosphere. This could all become routine.
>>16916831I'm imagining this clip at .5 speed with that piano version of where is my mind and it's le cinéma
>>16916805If FTL was real the aliens would have been here forever
https://x.com/nypost/status/2024692232100467020Exoplanet scientist murdered
>>16916858>This allowed scientists to being mapping the temperature and chemical composition of distant worlds>pioneeredExoplanet scientists should die.
>>16916726someone post that "how to talk to the conspiracy theorist in your life" thing I don't have memes on this computer
>>16916860>He could guess the temperature of distant planets>He knew about the aliens, so he had to dieWhy do we allow this to take up millions of my tax dollars?
>>16916858Why is two paragraphs repeated?
>>16916862Because even his obituary needs to be approximation
>>16916858hmm and that MIT fusion scientist was gunned down not too long ago too. probably just a coincidence though.
>>16916588
>>16916866It's always a gay lover, that's also the theory for the MIT guy
>>16916862For emphasis
>>16916858NA moment.
>Guy who might invent Fusion>Guy who thinks he can measure the temperature of planets we don't know actually existYeah these are equivalent
>>16916882MANY SUCH CASESSAD!https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/06/us/university-of-pittsburgh-professor-killed
>>16916898Many are saying this.
Why didn't they kill the guy who cured pancreatic cancer?
Ground clutter starting to be implemented in KSA
>>16916914And IVA demo...
>>16916483Couldn’t let Elon be the hero. Liberals will let astronauts roast to death before they let him get a win. Seething.zip
>>16916530I think you need to re-up your booster shot
Show's over, folks.There are no aliens, and we're never leaving this solar system.
>>16916994The only reason I'm not dismissing this outright is the apparent existence of exotic propulsion systems that would make the ongoing development of conventional aircraft and ships completely pointless if we had them, and our budget is not infinite enough just to build conventional systems for a masquerade. This still leaves a lot of difficult questions, like "of all the hellholes of the galaxy, why would they choose to come here without trying to make themselves known?"
>>16917006Sentient life might be quite rare. They might find us very interesting for that reason.Also, our access to nuclear weapons depended on the Shinkolobwe mine in the Congo. Without that, the Manhattan Project might never have gotten off the ground. It's a very unusual deposit, and it could be almost unique in the galaxy in combination with a native sentient race.
Xenogfs for all true american patriots
>>16917017We are not your xenos pets, mon-keigh.
>>16916660So, assuming all goes well from now on (lmao), Boeing will have to do 5 test flights of this shitbucket before operational missions.
>>16916994why are you posting some literal who
>>16916994Imagine being so fucking Chad. 6 Gorillion galaxies and just “Nope. Fake and Gay. No ayys” lul
KSA terrain lined up with an Apollo landing site.
>>16917026I don't know why he posted this random guy, probably politics, but this random guy is right. FTL isn't real. Trump is either doing a distraction play or negotiating with terrorists who will never be satisfied with the truth.
>>16917067I think the jury is still out. I think FTL propulsion has been ruled out. Even if you did have a MacGuffin, you’d fly into a fucking rock or rogue planet or space peanut. Before even thinking about radiation. Might very well be some exotic stuff that allows you to go from A-B instantly. Let’s give it 50 more years before we close the book on that.
>>16916994>nooo we can't bend spacetime and ride on it to achieve FTLThese people are stuck with the idea that the Standard Model of physics is the ONLY physics in the Universe.
>>16917081Yeah I suppose wizards could be real, and they could also use magic to instantly teleport us anywhere. I mean have you checked the entire universe?
>>16917106By God?
>>16917106source?
>NASA completes second Artemis 2 fueling testWe're close to figuring out why the hydrogen is leaking.
spehs?
>>16917115spehs
>>16916631>>16916634I'm wish Starbase would eventually be closed to the public. If they want to launch multiple ships a week from the site, they can't have it swamped with tourists. Have a tour bus bring in paying people instead.
>>16916914>>16916915I hope KSA is multi-thread optimized. I want to see threadrippers running that shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rayK1pwhzEs>NASA's Artemis II Fueling Test News Conference (Feb. 20, 2026)
>>16916928Elon is a liberal.
>>16916719How much money did SpaceX spend on Dragon by the time it was human-rated?
>>16917142like 2b? ass-number
>>16917130They would not have built / are building so many employee residences there if they intended to evacuate all the time.Its a R&D site for now, but sure, they do intend to scale this site to mass launches. By then they want the safety factor to have the evacuation boundary at the limit of the residentially built environment, the edge of the build site and town. Fuck this needing to evacuate 5 miles, its excessive. South Padre isn't leaving for any launch, so the village of Starbase can stay occupied too. Only the beach is closed with launch activity
>>16917073>you’d fly into a space peanutThat's what the deflector dish is for
>>16916994Minister grifter who denies Evolution lecturing you on Science.Thanks.
>>16917186if humans are made of starstuff then why are there still stars around??? huh?????
>>16917186>muh evolution You’ve empirically observed speciation occurring? You’ve watched an animal turn from one species to another? That’s amazing. That’d be the first time it was ever observed/recorded. You know, as is typically required when you do scientific studies and experiments on phenomena, you first observe and record it. You should write a paper given your singular and unique experiences, though it might hurt in terms of validity if you can’t find anyone else who isn’t also able to empirically observe species turning into new species.
>>16917192lmao we got a live one here fellas
>>16917014Did you hear that on a podcast and believed it? Because Canadian uranium mines are also high assay and -- as always -- if the price is right even low grade ores are profitable.
I simply don't believe in stellar evolution. Nobody has ever observed a yellow star "grow" into a red giant.
>muh accretion You’ve empirically observed a protoplanetary disk turn into a planetary system? You’ve watched rocks turn from rubble to celestial bodies? That’s amazing. That’d be the first time it was ever observed/recorded. You know, as is typically required when you do scientific studies and experiments on phenomena, you first observe and record it. You should write a paper given your singular and unique experiences, though it might hurt in terms of validity if you can’t find anyone else who isn’t also able to empirically observe planetesimals turning into new planets.
The planets were created in their current forms six thousand years ago.
>>16917201then Muhammed split the moon in half; what a jerk
>>16917192Science boardDenies Science is real because it conflicts with his magic book.You are in the wrong place.
>>16917203hey pal, I use a single-scroll pentateuch, not a heathen bound b*ok
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/2024629096471548025
Is the vacuum of Space supposed to be the depths and the firmament the atmosphere? What are the pillars?Why did God include a passage in his word that would be wrongly interpreted for centuries after it was written?
>>16917201Everybody knows there is a lot of quantitative evidence in the half-life estimation of terrestrial zircon crystals to suggest that the planets are way older than simple mathematical creation estimations, unless half-lives behaved way different than they do know like 2,000 years ago but it’s obvious this is unlikely
>>16917197True nobody has ever observed a yellow star in the first place.
>>16917210>vacuumlmaothis dude doesn't know about ether. what do you think rocket exhaust pushes against?
>>16917211...or God created the planet to appear as though they were half way through a natural process, to decive the weak and test your faith.
>>16917216Ether is a solid that only serves to transmit light. You can't feel it or push against it.
>>16917217can I drop my lowest faith test exam score at the end of the semester? or supplement one with the average of my quiz scores? thanks prof
>>16917026Justin earned his undergraduate at Mississippi State University (1995) and then a Master of Divinity and Master of Theology (2000, 2002) Senior Pastor, Calvary and frog gigging.How nice for him.
Make phlogiston great again
>>16917217God wouldn't play stupid tricks like that.
>>16917210The bible’s purpose isn’t to offer scientific truths, why are you using it as such? It’s salvation poetry and genealogy and foreshadowing and ultimately the good news of Jesus. Who, by the way, made the planets and space billions of years ago (for humans to control one day)>>16917217Why would He go out of his way to deceive me, that is stupid. To suggest God lies or deceives is incorrect.
VELIKOVSKY WAS RIGGHTTTT
>>16917227Isn't that the one where everything is ice? That's boring.
The Archdiocese of the Moon. Going to have a cool coat of arms
>>16917224He totally would, he's incorrigible and has a weird sense of humor.
>>16917217that would be pretty gay
>>16917203>denies science is realScience relies on empirical observation and recording of phenomena which is then tested and experimented Phenomena which are never empirically observed/recorded and are instead just insisted as being obvious fact based off of a narrative when they can’t in fact be observed/recorded are definitionally non-empirical and thus non scientific. If you believe otherwise you are free to point to what should be a wide swathe of empirically observed and recorded examples of species becoming other species via macroevolutionary change. If you cannot do this you automatically concede. No book is magic and animals are not “magic” either.
for me, it's the Tychonic system
>>16917217>test your faith.Said the bishop to the choirboy.
>>16917233wow you really are a idiot aren't you? I almost feel sorry not giving enough of a shit to actually reply seriously. have a nice day, monkey-man
>>16917233preach it brother, after all /sfg/ is a Lysenkoism/Lamarckism general.we've all been lied to
>>16917237Yup, that’s what happens when your internal sense of logic/truth (imago dei) conflicts with the narrative you’ve been indoctrinated to accept when the two conflict (ie you know what defines one concept you hold dear, yet you accept a complete obliteration of that definition when another concept you’ve been really trained to swallow whole requires it). Fascinating. Now this is an observation on the nature of human behavior.
>>16917241lol
>>16917241>indoctrinated to acceptok so, evolution is a lie. anything else? or is that it?do you have a list of other things I've been indoctrinated to believe?plate tectonics or something? Thanks,Anon
>>16917233Here's the arbitrary criteria you must meet. However, I will refuse to apply the same criteria to my dinosaurs lived with cavemen fringe religion.
>>16917241this seems like very sophisticated projectionyou seriously think the only way to deduce that evolution makes sense is to directly observe speciation empirically?almost nothing in science is really based on direct empirical observationmany things are not observable directly even in principle by humans (such as subatomic particles transforming into other particles)
if someone doesn't know about Na+/H+ antiporters they have absolutely zero fucking authority to hand wave about evolution and be a smug retard. It's basically the equivalent of a flerfer not even knowing about any Apollo missions besides 11.lol
>no starship flights has reduced /sfg/ to talking about biology with a YECohoogogogohohhohoho
>>16917207seems inefficient tbdesu
Oof. Looks like somebody struck a nerve. Overweight nerds get really upset when you point out that their interpretation of a bunch of old bones in mud getting put together to resemble giant dragon chickens is retarded, and that having that presented to them as fact when they were small children has just given them an emotional attachment to the idea. Imagine you do this with ghosts. >Ghosts are hecking real you fucking chud okay!?>okay, where are they? Can you observe them?>i-it’s happened plenty! Like this haunted house where someone said the door moved on its own!>okay, a ghost is one way to interpret how that observation may have occurred. Couldn’t it feasibly have been something else though?>no there’s like hecking teams with electric ghost detection technology!>Many of those are proven hoaxes and frauds, you know>REEE ACCEPT THE SCIENCESuddenly you replace ghost with dinosaur lizard and tiktaalik growing fish legs and a cock so he could fuck on land 400 gorillion years ago when no one would ever be able to actually see or know it and every smug “intellectual” of 110 IQ loses their minds. Really interesting social discourse at play there.
>>16917253you are a retard! congrats!
>>16917253you know, I really don't think you even know what evolution *is*.I think your retarded YEC parents turned you into a retarded YEC and as a result your brain didn't bother registering what you were (hopefully) taught in 10th grade bio.
Pygmaclypeatus is cute <3
I just squint and see the obvious proliferation of species and their interrelatedness intuitively. I don't even know what protein sequences are.
>>16917257Indeed. Being as all things were created through the Logos (logic), all of creation is interrelated and a personal reflection on some level of the creator, and indeed humans being made in His image have the same form of rational logic and order which allows them an intuitive understanding of this order and logic which created them and all the things surrounding them. A truly beautiful tapestry. I’d imagine at least some high tier people on here subscribe to Russian cosmism given the subject matter.
>>16917259Logos? the tangerine dream album?>Russian cosmismthat sounds incredibly gay.can you like, leave and never come back?
>>16917257assuming hereditary genes + mutation affecting those genes and differing environmental pressures then evolution is obviousyou would have to make a lot of assumptions for evolution not to happen
there are only two Nautiloid genera left :(
ok I should stop spamming pseudoreplies to this dude, anyways HEY SPACEFLIGHT NEWS LOOK, REMEMBER DREAM CHASER? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG22EOLv9j0
>25 flights in 2025
>>16917268JP Aerospace is still doing stuff with their balloon "ascender" idea, last I checked.ARCA status? Spinlaunch status? Astra status?
>>16917271LongShot Space is doing shitty little yt videos about their grand idea as of late
>>16916994Watch UFO Hunters on History Channel. If you don't believe in aliens, you will shit your ass fucker
>>16917203Explain this titwad
>>16917207So why aren't we colonizing the sun?
>>16917281>opens article lel
>>16917284Ain't reading all that
>wake up>check sfg>tons of posts>oh something good must've happened>its all schizo postingwe need more launches
>>16917287good morning anon
>https://x.com/coastal8049/status/2024746387301343534?s=20>In January @russianforces pointed out odd behaviour from the Russian ELS/TUNDRA satellite early warning system. The co-ordinated westward drift in apogee longitude appears to have ended in a co-ordinated manner. What are the Russians up to? Also why when I look at the semi major of these satellites it seems to naturally increase and then maneuver to go down?
>>16917290
>>16917287We need less launches and more substantial launches. I don't care about infrastructure for Earth in /sfg/
Ever hear the tale of the Tortoise and the Hare? SpaceX is the hare, quick, active, but easily distracted by Mars and Al. Blue Origin is the tortoise, slow but methodical, dead set on the main goal, The Moon. @JeffBezos clearly implies here that they will beat SpaceX to The Moon.
>>1691728228g on the surface.That's really too much so it's a no.Lots of light though.
>>16917287you wake up at noon???
>>16917299I wake up at 1pm
>>16917299He lives on the moon
NET March 6
>>16917192This has actually been observed twice. You just won't look it up because you don't really want to know because you're afraid it will conflict with your religious beliefs. Once you really start to understand you will know that science deals with the material universe and religion deals with the immaterial. There is no conflict to be had
>>16917299I wake up at noon, but get out of bed at 1.
>>16917305will starship stack before it
I get out of bed at noon, but I wake up at 1pm
>>16917234okay, why exactly doesn't this make sense?
I dont sleep. No really, I dont
>>16917317you would do well on the sun colony
>>16917313starship isnt even built yet
>>16917353Are they still not done?
>>16917378i think they recently finished testing and rolled it back into assembly. it should be soonish. starshit development is a bit confusing to follow
last update i've seen
>>16917385Why aren't they testing it yet?
>>16917400its a good question... the ship is almost a year old but hasnt had any tests yet
>>16917404months old*
V2 failures changed spacex
When next FartShit launch?
>>16917419>"what changed you?">*points at V2*
>>16917426>V2 changed Spacex
The sirs at Boeing fuck everything they touch.
>>16917433Kind of like a Midas touch but for fucking
oh... so she got a boob job...
>>16917442it's called gaining weight
>>16917442her tits are almost bigger than elons now
>>16917442My mom got a boob job.Last year she removed them :(
>>16917268Two years to plan a tow test....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCrATrk9mLcnew starbase vid
https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/2024950505051742334
>>16917454N
>>16917460?look at that PFP, he's the whitest person on earth
>>16917452looks like a truly awful shithole. the crackhead elon fan really makes it shine
>>16917448Pics?
>>16917462>looks like a truly awful shitholePractice for the moon and mars
>>16917462its a company town. of course its a shithole.
>>16917465this is why any colony needs to be established by a diverse set of competing organizations and not just one
>>16917467my dad lived at a Shell company town in Louisiana and it was quite nice
>>16917452
>>16917462>DOESNT HAVE THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE OF THE BIG CITYhorrid
it's Friday night, why are you on /sfg/?oh wait there is no one here but me. nevermind
>>16917505im here
>>16917505Contact watchalong in the 'cord in 20min.
>>16917507thanks for the invite
>>16917507I only watch films, not flicks, sorry
>>16917505and me too
>>16916928>liberalLeftists*
>>16917207Damn, that's a lot of Post-its.
GUYS EVERYONE WAKE THE FUCK UP,WE HAVE A FALCON 9 STARLINK LAUNCH IN A FEW BINGSAHHHHHHA
>>16917256look at him go, trying so hard to evolve into a crab! Ganbatte Pygmaclypeatus-san!
maybe the trilobites are all on mars
>>16917444Elon's nipples look harder thoughfap fap fap
>Tory Bruno says he joined Blue Origin to work on ‘urgent’ national security projects>Bruno, former CEO of United Launch Alliance, said he decided to join Blue Origin to work on important national security projects>He noted that his portfolio at Blue Origin includes Blue Ring, a highly maneuverable spacecraft bus. The company is offering Blue Ring for both civil and national security applications, including a mission scheduled for launch later this year supported by a Defense Innovation Unit contract.>“It has an enormous amount of delta-v,” Bruno said, referring to change in velocity. “Once it has arrived at its destination orbit, it can maneuver away from that orbit, above it, below it.”>“I’m going to put artificial intelligence on the spacecraft so it has a high degree of autonomy as well when it’s on orbit,” he said, adding that Blue Ring ground control centers will also incorporate AI to help operators address spacecraft anomalies or threats.
There are people that root against the advancement of human space flight for political reasons
https://x.com/FelixSchlang/status/2025096444038836305
>>16917662i know, wretched isn't it
>>16917667Another long wait after the next launch.
>>16917672not if they catch the booster
>>16917676Pretty sure they are not catching it.
>>16917662nah you dont get to become a political disaster and then cry foul about it. musk unironically wore a hat that said "donald trump was right about everything"
>>16917668Marvin is a ball of sunshine and rainbows compared to the average middle aged space fan.
Give it to me straight, are those Artemis II astronauts going to burn up on reentry? The heat shield STILL hasn't been tested with the planned reentry trajectory.
>>16917682bro the heatshield was fine the first time, its even better now and they are just doing a normal reentry
>>16917682No. Non reusable capsule return is a solved problem with big margins. It's that easy in spaceflight.
>>16917684Huge chunks of it blew out the first time, it was never designed to behave like that.
>>16917677I wouldn't be surprised either waythey have a lot of experience with catching the boosters now, but I guess the aerodynamics of the new booster, v3s etc have not been integration tested even if they could test and make relatively sure that the tower works
>>16917681Im still excited for Artemis 2sorry im not just going to get done about ithahahahaha
>>16917692>Huge chunks of it blew out the first timeno lol
>>16917695?
>>16917694Ok, kid.
>>16917692It was designed to sheild the vessel from heat, it succeeded.
>>16917698If it functioned as designed then why did they change the trajectory?
>>16917698>>16917700Also, if disposable heat shields are such a solved problem with big margins, then why didn't the Artemis 1 heat shield perform the way their computer models said it would?
>>16917700Because NASA are scardy cat pussies, there was no need for a change in trajectory.
>>16917701>Also, if disposable heat shields are such a solved problem with big margins,Who the fuck said this?
>>16917702>you're not scared of a little o-ring are you? quit being a nerd and launch the rocket, congressmen want to see the fireworks they've paid for.
>>16917704this guy >>16917689I was being imprecise with my quoting because I'm a lazy nigger.
>>16917697sourpuss. first people anywhere near the moon for 55 years! whats not to be excited about?(bet im older than you)
>>16917708If I act excited for this then I'll be obliged to be excited when China lands men on the moon before America manages to get back. So you see, it is my misplaced sense of national pride which prevents me from being excited about my country doing a thing.
>>16917710why? no logical connection between the two things. but there you go again, always expecting the worst.
>>16917711I'm being facetious.
Holy kino this emblem goes crazy
>>16917713that makes me happy, and apologies for not being able to tell. theres just a lot of real posts like that.
>>16917714WE
>>16917682The heatshield may not be great by modern-day stadards (i.e. Dragon)see>>16917696But it held up well enough to ensure a safe and very much survivable reentry.
>>16917718really like the Man in the Big House?
>>16917714Goauld?
>>16917718He's yellow and blue not black.
>>16917714Is this emblem generated by AI?
>>16917729What gives you that idea?
>>16917679>I don't like him so human spaceflight has to suffer because he makes me mad >:(Reminder that our best rocket guy used to hang the slowest workers to motivate the rest, get over yourself.
SLS is kill>NASA Troubleshooting Artemis II Rocket Upper Stage Issue, Preparing to Roll Back>NASA is taking steps to potentially roll back the Artemis II rocket and Orion spacecraft to the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB) at the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida after overnight Feb. 21 observing interrupted flow of helium in the SLS (Space Launch System) rocket’s interim cryogenic propulsion stage. Helium flow is required for launch. Teams are actively reviewing data, and taking steps to enable rollback positions for NASA to address the issue as soon as possible while engineers determine the best path forward. In order to protect for troubleshooting options at both Pad B and the VAB, teams are making preparations to remove the pad access platforms installed yesterday, which have wind-driven constraints and cannot be removed during high winds, which are forecasted for tomorrow. This will almost assuredly impact the March launch window. NASA will continue to provide updates.https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/02/21/nasa-troubleshooting-artemis-ii-rocket-upper-stage-issue-preparing-to-roll-back/
>>16917734
>>16917734they launch so infrequently every time its back to square one, everything is custom
>>16917734time to launch orion on new glenn
>>16917734China wins by doing nothing again
>2154 AD>Indian-descended Floridians roll out the SLS shrine for the yearly Scrub Festival as they have done for generations, the original meaning long since lost. 100 oxen pull the gaudy flower-covered transporter along a road of crushed Alabama river sand, some faithful pilgrims throw themselves beneath the treads for blessings in the next life
>>16917721
>>16917738definitely something to be said for being practiced with your equipment. it probably just needs a whack with a big spanner at the right point but no one knows.
>>16917738It is true. They need to launch SLS more often to reduce teething problems.
>>16917734skill issue
>>16917747the problem is hydrogen. people think using a molecule that can leak through solid objects is a good idea. it isnt. its like programmers using 0 for false and 1 for true. just because you can doesnt mean you should.
>>16917748its too late
Elon Musk will skip Mars and go to Mercury instead. Because there is a higher solar irradiance, and what they learned on the Moon is much more applicable on Mercury than on Mars. My prediction is that he will start tweeting about going to Mercury around the time BepiColombo starts orbiting Mercury.
Artemis 2 NET April 1st
>>16917760>1 hr before sunsetWould be a good launch. Wish I could go down and see it.
v3 will launch before sls
>>16917760I am willing to bet it slips to Q3, this fucking piece of shit
>>16917714pyramids on the moon and mars when?
>>16917767>I am willing to bet it slips to Q3Of 2027
>>16917762You can, every first world country has airports and legal minimums for Paid Time Off
with all this sls slippage i'd be surprised if arty 3 launches before 2030
Let’s see if /sfg/ can go beyond Earth. You get 1 km/s delta-v, will you take it or double it and give it to the next person?
>>16917777quadruple it
>>16917777check em
>>16916656I can explain. Rejecting heat to a hotter environment is extremely inefficient, especially as the difference grows. Contrary to the opposite case (heating), your waste heat works against you and any particular design will simply have a maximum achievable temperature difference.In the case of a sealed vessel, no work at all is required to maintain pressure. It’s hard to imagine a worse comparison.
>>16917791cryopumps exist, use one of those to keep it pleasant on venus.
>>16917791All of Venus isn't the same temperature.
>>16917714It's only 400 miles from Cairo
>>16917762unless you're local i dont see how anyone could plan to go see it launch. maybe move down there for the rest of the summer and hope for the best
>>16917777I take anon's quadrupled dv and use it to jump really really high but never sideways
>>16917791just turn the heat into electricity and feed it into something useful or merely to dump it. problam sovled
>>16917734helium valves are absolutely relentless
>>16917758Benis Columbine XD
>>16917792actual retard>>16917794is there a cold part of Venus where you can perform excavation? I'm unaware of any>>16917798actual retard
>>16917802Oh you can't read. I said you could pump cold air into the excavation site, like how you can pump breathable air into an excavation site on Mars.You then said cooling isn't comparable to pumping air which made me think you couldn't read. Thanks for confirming it.No cooling is needed to take already cold air and move it somewhere.
>>16917802I don't think the person you are arguing with has a high school level understanding of thermodynamics, doesn't really make sense to keep arguing
>>16917803Where is the cold air coming from?
>>16917805Yeah, you're right
>>16917806the air conditioner
/SFG/ BTFO>Why Nuclear Thermal Rockets are Pointlesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFrVo19vCNA
God, this off-season is really long
>>16917812the entire video boils down to "they dont exist so i just made up models to show them as bad btfoooo"
>>16917802just send the heat out as a lazer beam
>>16917734damn just yesterday i was arguing in youtube comments about how the WDR2 was successful, way to make me look like an idiot NASA
>>16917734I just want to see a lunar landing in my lifetime is it really that hard to ask?
>>16917821good news! china will give that to you
Why is SLS such a piece of shit?
Which comes first?Spectrum 2?Starship 12?Or Artemis 2?
>>16917823>Why is SLS such a piece of shit?
"Hey Hey! Takes us to Mount Splashmore now!"
>>16917825New Glenn 3
>>16917828>So little happening that influencers hype up deluge testsConcerning.
>>16917806The cold part of Venus' atmosphere???
>>1691781561 years and counting
>>16917830Elon turns SpaceX into Raging Waters. Tragic.
>>16917734Apollo 16 was rolled back to the VAB for equipment repairs...thereby changing its launch date from March to April.Still can't do repairs at the Pad?
>>16917805>Things in insulated boxes do can remain at a different temperature than environment around the box for a period of time>Boxes can be movedWhich one is disproved by high school knowledge of thermodynamics?
I want to go to TRAPPIST-1 e.
This actually exists btw
>>16917838https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat
I did fucking great in thermo 1 and thermo 2. I've forgotten it all.feels bad
>>16917858Me with mineralogy and petrology
@grok who is wrong in this /sfg/ debate?
>>16917862The pro-NTP and o'neill cylinder faggot
>>16917859all I remember from that is strike and dip
>>16917863kill yourself subhumanmankind will dominate the universe from massive space tin cans and you WILL enjoy it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_insulation
Fuck!>>16917867 is for this retard >>16917855
>>16917714https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJJAqeF2moE
buran footage for your Saturday, anons
>>16917868why don't you ask grok? you don't understand the basics, your arguments are not even wrong so its pointless to arguetalk with an LLM, then present your retarded idea here with at least some refinement
>>16917871forgot to paste the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhU4DwzzEKs
>>16917872>Your argument is wrongInsulator insulate heat, this is true. That's why they are called that.
>>16917874I didn't say you were wrong, I said not even wrong i.e. nonsense
>>16917877>It's nonsense that thermal insulators, insulateHmmm
bringing "cold air" from Venuses upper atmosphere with insulated pressure vessels to a surface base which is another insulated pressure vessels is basically the same as cooling earth down by dropping a giant ice cube into the ocean a la Futurama, but somehow even more retardedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SYpUSjSgFg
>>16917882how about compressing the heat into very dense bricks and just ejecting them out onto the venusian surface? a rover could just leave a trail of them as it trundles ever onwards, like goats do with their little poo balls.
>>16917734Get this: ICPS is a Delta IV derived upper stage. The tooling for said upper stage has been dismantled!
Why not produce floating mirrors in the atmosphere of Venus?
>>16917882No that wouldn't work becuase the ice is orders of magnitude smaller than the Earth.
>>16917886you could cool venus down by shading it with mirrors to terraform it, but those would be far away from the atmospherenot sure what the mirrors in the atmosphere itself would help
>>16917887its supercold ice
Space junk returning to Earth is introducing metal pollution to the pristine upper atmosphere as it burns up on re-entry, a new study has found.Published today in the journal Communications Earth & Environment, the study was led by Robin Wing from the Leibniz Institute of Atmospheric Physics in Germany. Using highly sensitive lasers, he and his team of international researchers observed a plume of lithium pollution, tracking it back to the uncontrolled re-entry of a discarded Space X Falcon 9 rocket upper stage.Elon destroying Earth's atmosphere. Killing all life on the planet.
>>16917744Man that was a fucking weird comic.
>>16917884Fuck it. We'll do it live.The maiden flight of crewed Orion will go with the Exploration Upper Stage on its first flight as well.
>artemis has to roll back>multi day process>unspecified repair>probably 2 weeks>roll back to the pad>multi day process>another WDR>3 days>week to analyze data>assuming everything checks out (it never does) it can launch>month until the next launch window>anything can go wrong in that month go delay the entire thingim starting to understand why there are so many moon landing denialists. it seems impossible that nasa launched 17 apollo missions (9 of them went to the moon) in like 3 years back in the late 1960s
>>16917902they had great cadence
>>16917874Explain your whole idea in one post, including what the excavators are doing, where the cold air is coming from and what it has to do with pressurized vessels on Mars.Otherwise just admit that it's dumb.
>>16917904truly gods among men
>>16917906they were certainly another breed back then.
>>16917902
>>16917830We used to get excited about single steel rings.
>>16917909I think risk was just accepted more, not just in spaceflight but in general. If Apollo 1 happened today, everything would just stop for who knows how long
>>16917921they'd all been through a war too. just listening to those guys talk and reading their books, they were tough, confident and smart and eminently practical from the engineers to the control staff to the pilots. and yeah, the risk didn't make people flinch much.
nasa in the 60s had probably 100 gene kranz’s, i doubt they have a single person today who matches up
>>16917929exactly
>>16917918The worst part is the lack of dresscode.
>>16917938good point.
>>16917938Bring back white shirt and tie, or ENT flight suits
>>16917938Boomers's fault. That generation deserved Tiananmen Square treatment, but it's too late for that.
>>16917918I still kek at the one guy sitting down there.
>>16917679>you dont get to become a political disaster and then cry foul about it.It's the people with EDS who are the disasters
>>16917714>Delta>GuardianThese have actually grown on me as designations
>>16917953Guardian is still gay as hell
>>16917955It's almost like "Guardsman"
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2025352946733490471
march
>>16917963NET April, got it.
>>16917964which year?
>>169179662023
Is the 50/50 meme actually real?
>>16917961By Eastern Orthodox Easter.
I actually believed the july 2021 date when gwynne said it
>>16917961suborbital hop
>>16917993suborbital flop
>>16917983maybe she believed it too ;-;
I remember making Hopper hop threadsgoddamn
FUCK YOU JAREDMAKE THEM TAKE A MANLIFT AND FIX IT ON THE PAD LIKE SPACEX DOYOU KNOW YOU WANT TO
>>16918012We used to be a serious country
artemis is like some kerbal space program shit. stack a rocket with some random parts that look right, put it on the launch pad, realize you forgot to put fuel lines on it, back to the vab...
>>16918027Starship isn't a KSP project because vehicles generally make it to orbit in that game
shuttle also had terrible, repeated delays in the early 80s for shuttle.we know what that resulted in.
>>16917905The excavators dig things, possibly just Venusian regolith, that can be processed into things, as things are needed to live.The excavation area needs to be cooled because 400° is too hot for humans or semiconductor based computers to operate. So, an insulated box with at least two air locks is created on the surface.At ~52km, where temperatures are only 32° but the atmosphere is still desner than Earth's is at Sea Level, an air capture and cooling facility is suspended.Balloons each take a trailer's worth of air down to the surface and pump in that cold air to the surface base after a valve pumps the same amount of stale air out. This needs to be repeated constantly because material scientists are cucks and don't have a perfect thermal insulator, and because humans and machines generate heat while excavating things.This has to do with pressurized vessels on Mars, because they prove you can circulate air, as humans turn Oxygen into Poison, and you would need to constantly add more oxygen while removing the CO2 to keep people alive, all while pressure gradually leaks out from mechanical imperfections that would inevitably exist in buildings able to have 8,000+ people live and work in and around them.
>>16918032You wouldn't use air as coolant, it would be some other thing. Probably frozen carbon dioxide which is easy to make and can be vented at the surface.
>>16918032Also everything is super buoyant in the supercritical atmosphere at the surface, so you wouldn't need a fixed facility but would have a hovering ship more like a submarine.
another falcon 9 reuse record coming up in 10 minhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybbp7LwLNRA33rd flight
>>16918041The surface base would be for mining exclusively, as you can't make much out of Venusian atmosphere alone. Most of Society would probably exist several kilometers above the rocky surface.
>>16918043Proving Starship was an unnecessary and costly mistake.
Launch!
how far into the SMART curve does 33 flights put it
why bother even announcing max q? like who gives a shit at that point
>>16918044Correct. And if the latest findings are true, the Venusian clouds might be 60% water, making life much easier for the sky station.https://phys.org/news/2025-10-venus-clouds-reanalyzed.html
feb 21st but only 22 falcon launches for 2026? bro spacex fell off
it's that easy
>>16918052y'know, Musk originally wanted to put a greenhouse on Mars, but wouldn't it be easier to put a floating greenhouse in the Venusian upper atmosphere? More sunlight, more CO2, and now even more water.
>>16918057Well Musk's starship can't get to orbit, so going to be hard to get to either of those places
>>16918067eyyyyy Salvatoré
>>16918067Brave of him to stand next to a pre-observation like that.
has there ever been a rocket with a solid center core and liquid boosters?
>>16918076ISRO's GSLV does thathttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_Satellite_Launch_Vehicle
>>16917929damn, I just looked him up on wiki and I did not know that he is still alive
since sls is pushed back to NET april, everyone will be putting their hopes on the next starship launch. if it goes well, everyone will have hope. if it goes bad there will be alot of anger and hang wringing.
https://x.com/clearusui/status/2025461094744305815
>New data suggests dark energy may not be constant. >Dark Energy Spectroscopic Instrument(DESI) map hints dark energy density changed and expansion slowing. >Some physicists calculate weakening dark energy could lead to Big Crunch in 20 billion years, breaking standard cosmology model.Big happenings (again) in the cosmology world
>>16918121Actual state of Cosmology findings pending Vera Rubin scanning the hell out of the sky and getting enough distance ladder measurements to derive what the rate of change may be.
You don't need cooling to operate on Venus. Rover that doesn't need electricityhttps://www.nasa.gov/general/automaton-rover-for-extreme-environments-aree-2/Semiconductors which can withstand the conditions on Venushttps://techport.nasa.gov/projects/92917Maybe there is some way you could mine on the surface and somehow bring it to the sky but even if, can it compete with mining asteroids and flying the needed resources to Venus?
Astroid mining is so retarded and lame.
>>16918121>New data suggests dark energy may not be constantbig crunch working overtime to stay relevant
turns out we cant find aliens because they all realized that the universe is dying so they fucked off to a better one
>>16918124>Maybe there is some way you could mine on the surface and somehow bring it to the skyJust have a big scoop with a balloon connected to a canister of liquid nitrogen. It will gradually boil off, then once it's all boiled it will quickly expand and become buoyant. lifting the rig back into the upper atmosphere
>>16918124Interesting
>>16918153That's some high quality CGI.
>>16918153How's it supposed to take any measurements without any electronics at all? They talk about signalling but not about how it actually does any work down there. Maybe it could blindly take a sample and send it back up.Just seems like a grift. This Saunder fag has been working on it since 2017.
>>16916646What is Mars worth?
>>16918156https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/niac_2016_phasei_saunder_aree_tagged.pdf
>>16918157-150,000,000$
>>16918032https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_capacity
>>169181571 gravitationally bound mass of rock, ore, and basic resources like water with an atmosphere that is, while thin, non-corrosive and thick enough to provide meaningful radiation shielding and the potential for melt or minor gas-addition based terraforming efforts.
>>16918076strangely enough that would describe how the Voyager probes worked. they were placed in orbit on a liquid fueled launch vehicle and attained their trajectory towards Jupiter using a solid fuel kick stage.
Good news: we might not ever return to the moon but we are returning giant tortoises back to Galapagos.
>>16918157Nothing..........EVERYTHING
>>16918180its turtles all the way down
>>16918180Blorgin keeps on winning
>>16917918Does anyone else have this feeling that it's all just a scheme for these people to leech money?They don't actually care about launching anything on the moon, these tests and delays can go on forever because there will always be a reason for another delay.Meanwhile they still get funded cause politicians are afraid of China doing it first. It's the same with Musk and his "let's go to Mars" bullshit.In fact one should be afraid that they won't delay it, cause what if something goes wrong during the launch? Then it's over for good.
>>16916491this is what normies pretend spacex internal politics is like btw.spacex will break shit, but at least they'll make damn sure that there's no people on there if it might.
>>16918204I think people underestimate just how difficult these programs really are. I think the real answer lies somewhere between grift and genuine desire and interest and along the way they're subject to political whims and technical issues.
>>16918164What does it mean. You could be trying to say so many retarded things.
>>16918180TTD
>>16917192>retard instantly outs himselfkek
>>16917253>retard with mindvirus has meltdown because observable reality threatens his belief in his mindvirus.lol
>>16918210>I think people underestimate just how difficult these programs really are. I understand this i just don't think that these time tables are even remotely realistic, especially if you consider the economic situation in the world right now. Mid 2030s if we're lucky.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2025567596183998940
>>16918243But not the biggest object to successfully leave Earth
>>16918226No, this is retarded, we should be doing better than we we 50 years ago, 50 years before the last moonlanding rockets didn't exist yet, the very basic understandings of Space were being penned and the radio wasn't standard equipment for every private in a military yet.It took 9 years for the Saturn project to go from work begining to Saturn V landing people on our moon. Only 5 and a half to get Saturn I orbit.It has been 15 years, it took 11 years for the first orbital flight.
>>16918032This proposal fundamentally ignores the crushing reality of Venusian physics, specifically regarding pressure, buoyancy, and thermodynamics.First, the surface of Venus operates at roughly 90 times Earth's atmospheric pressure, meaning any surface structure must be an extreme pressure vessel akin to a deep-sea submarine, not merely an "insulated box." Second, physically dragging a balloon of lower-density, 1-atmosphere air from 52 kilometers down to the surface would require colossal energy just to overcome the immense buoyant force of the dense lower atmosphere. Third, if that air were compressed to survive the ambient surface pressure during descent, rapid adiabatic heating would cause its temperature to skyrocket, entirely nullifying its use as a coolant. Finally, the thermal mass of a "trailer's worth" of air is hopelessly insufficient to offset the relentless heat transfer from a 460°C supercritical environment. Comparing this to Mars is inherently flawed, as Mars requires containing internal pressure in a cold vacuum, whereas Venus requires surviving catastrophic external pressure and blistering heat.Would you like me to run the thermodynamic math on exactly how hot that air would get if compressed to Venusian surface pressure?
>>16918032Venus’s 92-bar, 464 °C surface instantly crushes and roasts any insulated box or airlock through conduction, 17 kW/m2 radiation, and convection, while the proposed balloons deliver no coolant whatsoever: the 52 km CO2, upon forced descent, compresses adiabatically and conducts ambient heat to arrive hundreds of degrees hotter than the base, and the repeated energy required to overcome buoyancy and drag for trailer-scale volumes generates far more internal heat than it could ever remove, in machinery that dissolves in sulfuric acid under the crushing differential. Mars 1-bar habitats inside vacuum prove nothing about resisting 92 bar of superheated corrosive gas that is trying to flood inward through every joint.
>>16918032The proposal collapses on basic thermodynamics and mechanics.First, air lowered from ~52 km would be compressed and heated adiabatically as it descends, so it arrives hot, not cold; any “cooling” is erased before delivery.Second, continuously moving and pumping dense gas through a ~50 km gravity well against Venus’s enormous atmospheric pressure requires vast work—orders of magnitude more energy than any plausible excavation could supply—making net cooling impossible.Third, balloons there have limited buoyancy and payload; lifting “trailers’ worth of air” repeatedly is physically unrealistic.Fourth, an “insulated box with airlocks” on a 400 °C surface ignores heat flow through structure, seals, and moving machinery, which would overwhelm any insulation.Finally, the Mars analogy is irrelevant: Mars habitats manage small internal leaks, not continuous, planet-scale heat and pressure exchange with a supercritical atmosphere.
Venus is on her period and as long she don’t cool down we can’t do anything with her.
>>16918032The balloon scheme collapses on a basic physical fact: Venus's surface atmospheric pressure is roughly 90 times Earth's, while at 52 km it is approximately 1 atmosphere. A balloon buoyant at 52 km cannot descend to the surface, because the crushing ambient pressure below would compress and destroy it long before it arrived — it would need rigid walls thick enough to withstand ~89 additional atmospheres, at which point it is no longer a balloon but an implausibly heavy pressure vessel. More importantly, the work required to push any gas from 1 atm down into a 90 atm environment is thermodynamically enormous; you are not passively delivering cool air, you are fighting a pressure gradient equivalent to pumping fluid nearly a kilometer underwater, continuously, for every breath taken. The "cold air" itself is also Venusian CO2, not oxygen, so it cools the habitat but does not sustain life without a separate separation process the proposal ignores entirely. The Mars comparison actually undercuts the argument rather than supporting it: Mars requires pressurizing outward against near-vacuum, which is structurally and energetically the opposite problem from Venus's surface, so demonstrated Mars techniques say nothing useful about surviving 90 atm and 465°C.
>>16918254>would be compressed and heated adiabaticallyIt's just such an odd statement, when a Submarine on Earth is at 1,100 bar the internal atmosphere is not at 1,100 bar that would kill the human pilot.
>>16918211look up the heat capacity of air
>>16918262~1kj/kg C meaning it requires 1 kilajoule to heat a Kilogram of Earths atmosphere 1° celcius, when the air is 0° Celcius.
>>16918260the LLM assumes a balloon is compressible and that is where the adiabatic heating comes ina submarine isn't compressible hence no heating happens
>>16918180>the assignment was too hard, but look at this cool rock I found!Is NASA a special education containment zone?
>>16918266A submarine is a water balloon. Otherwise, Zepplins aren't balloons since they use rigid internals, too.>>16918251>vessel akin to a deep-sea submarineIs 1km "deep sea" now.
>>16918271zeppelins aren't balloons
>>16918273I think you'll have a hard time convincing the general population of that.
Firefighting suborbital rockets
Spaceships with grappler arms to hold knives for knife-fights in outer space.
/Stoopid Fhysics General/
>>16918279
>>16918283Reminder that brushgate was a Canadian thing. Cheating fuckers.
now that the olympics are basically over, /sfg/ will have more posts right?
The olympics happened?
>>16918204Women just wanna feel good about themselves and get socially affirmed that they're doing a hecking goodIf society overnight changed and would socially affirm genocide women would do it (they already do, abortion...)
>>16918288it will be dead until either starshit or arteshit launches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L96asfTvJ_A>Explaining Why NASA's Starliner Report Is So Bad
>>16918288>>16918290>overhyped event with cringey commentators>too much internal drama>billions wasted on training and equipment>happens every 4 years>pic unrelated>be SLS
>>16918271>A submarine is a water balloon. Otherwise, Zepplins aren't balloons since they use rigid internals, too.the guy who called you a retard is vindicated
>>16918172https://files.catbox.moe/2jz4md.mp4
>>16918299Manley believes Calypso lost the forward/backward degree of freedom during initial docking attempt. The aft thrusters in bottom and starboard dog houses had failed, leaving only some on the top and port sides functional.The failure to dock wasn't from abundance of prudence in risk assessment. Calypso at one point physically could not approach ISS without rotating off axis, and it certainly could not dock without crashing into ISS.Also there probably were nitrogen tetroxide leaks everywhere which caused all sorts of problems.
Are there icy moons flat enough to permit EVA ice skating as a form of locomotion?
>>16918317>probablyIt had more yellow/orange stains than Trump/an elderly smoker.It was leaking that shit everywhere.
Anyone else getting Starlink fatigue?
>>16918331think how the boosters feel
>>16918243>and it will continue to growjust like my peepee haha
>capsule that almost fucking kills it's crew and leaves them stranded on the ISS is called calypso>after the greek myth of calypso, where a woman keeps a man captive and stranded on an island.they couldn't have picked a better fucking name for it honestly, meme magic does it's work again.
>>16918243Didn't we establish that he keeps "forgetting" airships?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2025485689811345812
>>16918352that didn't fly so good
>>16918315Bless you, apod posterFor years I thought the picture on the NASA homepage was apod and they just fell off, thanks to someone posting about it in this thread I've found the light again.
>>16918315get outta here with that pussy shitblue ghost is cooler
>>16918355good to know
>>16918362this will be critical for the mars base
>>16918355>Elon doesn't know what drinking is
>>16918355>or airhorses dont breathe through their mouths. they breathe through their nostrils only.
>>16918355clap deez nuts
>>16918355What about a rule that blocks posting when someone is high on ketamine
Venus atmosphere means your dirigibles can rise/fall just by taking on ballastNothing needs to be manned, no pressure vessel nonsense, only need to keep the electronics cool unless we develop stuff that'll work at 500 degrees
So, uh, what's the next step for ship design after Starshit is matured? What's the limit for chemical rocketry?
>>16918388orbital construction
>>16918388Full and Rapid ReuseIf the cost to orbit was some small multiplier of fuel costs, couldn't anyone go to space?Fuel being 5-6 times your weight in natural gas + oxidizer, a negligible cost
>>16918388They were musing about one with an even larger diameter, which I don't think will ever happen.
>>16918388A rocket with decent cargo space
Fusion rockets will happen before nucucklear rockets btw
>>16918388Once SS gets as reliable as F9 currently is, I think we need to start having a serious discussion about putting up nuclear material into orbit for even more transportation power.
fusion is a fucking meme and will literally never happen
>>16918393Those are both nuclear?
>>16918394Solar is better than nuclear until you are way out past jupiterChemical rockets are high thrust, therefore the optimal way to go since time is money
>>16918388The Cube, it's just a big ass freighter constructed in space, which only goes back and forth between Mars and Earth. Ships only fly up and down from the surface to move stuff from the Cube. I will ignore all energy requirements or orbital mechanics in favor of it being cool
>>16918393i doubt it
>>16918395fusion happens all the time m8get out of your basement and look up to the sky sometime, there's like big balls of fusion fire up there
>>16918396doesn't count
>>16918401Show your PROOF that its actually fusion happening in the sun Literally just an unproven conjecture
>>16918391if starship is flying then going wider is the only way to go if they want to improve it.Funny how Starship continued getting closer to ITS with each iteration, but now they are stuck with pencil Starship because at first they scaled down it way too much.
>>16918404what is it then? jesus?
>>16918406portal to another universe
>SLS Block 2 uses a brand new upper stage built by Boeingits only going to get worse isnt it?
>SpaceX exists for Mars>could've launched a Marslink sat years ago, but haven't
>>16918412spacex might have had big ambitions at the start, but now its just one big vehicle for carrying around musks boat anchors like tesla and xai
>>16918413Mars colonization is never going to happen without mars launches being a small % of total operations
>>16918388Construction of the Sky Ladder with anchor points (counterweights) of 6000t, located 120000km away.
>>16918417You mean with oc, but it's inevitable anyway since the window opens only every two years.
>>16918404no u have to posit another process that could produce so many neutrinos and explain how it works and why it goes on in the sun but not in my ballsgood luck, retardo
>>16918399Aside from the silly Borg shape why this should be bad?The voyage takes months and a big vehicle has advantages in terms of living space, possibly some artificial gravity by rotation, safer life support because of redundancy.
>>16918410every day in every way
>>16918423bigger just means more potential for leaks
>>16918433with enough stuff on the inside leaks pose no problem
It's a bad idea because interplanetary trade is stupid. Mars or any other colony would have nothing to offer Earth.
>>16918352depends on whether or not you consider airships to fly and how you measure largeness
>>16918438once the colonies are developed to a certain point they would have a significant advantage in any potential conflict
>>16918441The DeltaV required to deorbit a large enough object to destoy a planet is less, but like interplanetary war is MADness, not to mention how having less population and more consumer upkeep would effect the Martian ability to build rockets.
>>16918300that made me chortle, then sink into despair
>>16918303very nice, though the sound doesn't really add much
>>16918326not wrong, but that was evidence for a different problem: exhaust impingement causing overheating. The helium leaks and weird acid byproducts were the evidence for N2O4 leaks degrading the non-space-rated O-rings.
>>16918300>>be SLSoof
https://x.com/travelgov/status/2025636042007605353Tamapaulitas is the state on the other side of the border of starbase
Paul Bryne is wrong he has to be for life to be worth living
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl94aiKfR8U>Big Things Are Happening For Starship V3
>>16918388what if starship but bigger?
>>16918498i kinda feel sorry for him now
i just cant believe they have to roll that fucking thing back to the VAB to fix a valve on the upper stage. NASA is so far behind on everything
Just watched the scott manlet vid on the starliner report. The entire upper managment of boeing should be rounded up for corruption and neglect.
>Marshall is, without question, feeling the heat of the private sector. SpaceX already delivers cargo to the International Space Station, and the company’s founder, Elon Musk, says his proposed Falcon 9 Heavy rocket should ready by next year. If successful, Musk’s rocket would lift 53 metric tons to orbit, nearly as much as the 70 tons of the SLS’s initial configuration. Musk’s rocket will fly for a small fraction of the cost of the SLS, and has cost American taxpayers nothing to develop.>Yet the Falcon 9 Heavy is no sure bet, and though he’s diplomatic, May can’t resist taking a shot at it.>The SpaceX rocket’s development has been shrouded in secrecy, and arguably it’s more complex than the SLS. The NASA rocket has just four main engines, but Musk’s heavy-lift rocket straps together three of his Falcon 9 rockets, and each of those rockets is powered by nine smaller engines.>Complexity is the enemy of rocketry, because the more complex a system is, the more ways in which it can fail. So proponents of the SLS point out that only four big engines need to be lit for its launch, whereas the Falcon Heavy needs 27.https://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/item/NASA-Adrift-Part-2-29938.php
>>16918510Oh the days of thinking 27 engines was a lot.
>>16918388>Use starship to create a orbital elevator>use orbital elevator to create a big spacestation factory/spaceport>create large NTR spaceships at your spacefactory>explore&colonize the solarsystem. >start mining the asteroid belt>use unlimited resources to create massive o'neill cylinders at all the lagrange points >move humanity to the o'neill cylinders>clean up earth and return everything not worth saving back to nature. >turn earth in to a nature reserve&massive museum of humanity&vacation resort.
>>16918509>Just watched the scott manlet vidmy condolences
>>16918510i rember years of people ragging on every spacex rocket because they had lots of engines lol.and now everybody's doing it.
Uh Starbase might be in danger, the cartels are attacking in Reynosa now
>>16918527they come to save the seal and other fauna senor
>>16918527If they cross the Rio Grande into Hidalgo all hell breaks loose.
>>16918527Don't underestimate Optimus.-E
>>16918527It's just cartels taking revenge on the police for taking down a big cartel leader. This wont spill over the border.
>>16918527>If you fuck around with us, if you do something bad to us, we are gonna do things to you that have never been done before
>>16918509Kinda sad when Scott broke down and started to cry.
>>16918527now we see the real reason SpaceX wants to develop voice commanded drone swarms, for border defense. Add in armored cybertruck technicals with some optimus soldiers and now you're talking.
>>16918527They can have the cringe cards against humanity plot of land, honestly
https://x.com/Robotbeat/status/2025651918630977811
>>16918558>why is starship optimized for marsvestigial development. it'll get re-optimized for LEO soon.
>>16918558Okay. So go ahead and launch one to Mars already.
>>16918558>Starship>OptimizedIt's anti-optimized. It's not even in LEO.
>Just catched up on the news
>>16918509/Sfg/ must take matters into our own hands if you know what I mean
so... are we getting dragon xl or not?
>>16918558Maybe Mars, but absolutely not moon
ELON BTFO!>Chip Fabs in Space: Technically Possible, Completely Impracticalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2rkRDg0d60
>>16918638but that is not what musk is proposing, not for a very long time at least
>>16918558It's LEO-optimized, Mars is a bonus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_zhr5Z6KuU>"The Gigabay's Next Level" | SpaceX Starbase
>>16918642this is what we're reduced to watching
>>16918647look at the steel being lifted and concrete poured and be happy
She's live!https://www.youtube.com/live/Q4Tl4kbEO3I
>>16918651the rise and fall of nasa
>>16918638>electric vehicles arent practical>reusable rockets are fantasy>there's no market for big rockets>ai is a meme*YOU ARE HERE*>chip fabs in space are impractical
>>16918607>catched
>>16918651>click on link>it's a Wernher von Braun segmentok, that's based>hear her talking>it's englishok, that's cringe>close tab
>>16918668>>it's english >ok, that's cringe Kek you're faggot
>>16918676don't like english vtumors, simple as.
>>16918651this is awful!Very surface level. Reads 1 line off the powerpoint then spends 5min reading and thanking donationsGoes on retarded tangents: >gamers don't look up ->tarkov->streamers that were in the military that play tarkov teach me stuffLet me know when Ria goes live with Starlink Group 840-756.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvQKInHxg
>>16918688mission control looks like a joke. some bitch eating food the whole time, fatass at capcom would literally die if he had to get up in a hurry, a fucking snack table like its kindergarten. youd think mission control of all places would have some standardsgod id love to go in there and fire everyone
I don't mean this to be snarky or anything but remember that there was a time before Falcon 9 rampup activity w/ starlink, I'd say around covid when that started and we started getting a bajillion F9 launches, and at that time Atlas V was considered America's workhorse rocket.Just trying to point out that Atlas V is/was pretty good, and it's funny to think that there's a real possibility that it only launches one (1) human launch ever, and that Butch and Suni might be THE ONLY humans to ever fly on Atlas V
>>16918657all of that is wrong
>>16918638>Yeah, mass drivers and solar production on the moon might be completely practical, b-but not fabs!!
2 hours between posts :(
>>16918509>more thruster failures than entire apollo program combined
>4 weeks ago Elon Musk said 6 weeks We are officially in the 2 weeks territory.
>>16918748>Cryo test[math]\unicode{x2705}[/math]>Engines installed[math]\unicode{x2705}[/math]>Static fire[math]\unicode{x2705}[/math]Let's goooo!! Starship flight 12 FTW[math]\unicode{x1F680}[/math][math]\unicode{x1F680}[/math]
>>16918748he said it launches next month
>>16918754https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2015657360253960418
>>16918759see >>16917961
>>16918680Eh, it's about on par with what I'd expect the average JSC/KSC visitor would take away from the experience. They got her It's actually extremely rare to see ANYONE talking about spaceflight in admiration so even if it was just a summary it's still more than you usually get
>>16918299>42 minutes
>>16918315He's a big guy.
>>16918558How the hell is it "Mars optimized"? It's not even earth optimized yet. What does that even mean?
>>16918651really hope this is a baitpost and people dont actually watch this cringey slop
>>16918800There are lots of people who will consume anything when packaged with an anime girl.
>>16918651Not my idol
>>16918873based Clear fan
>>16918754March is next week
>5000t object that can barely get into earth orbit is mars optimizedNot sure what happened to collective human intelligence after the pandemic because it seems most people can't think critically these days.
>>16918937>Post PandemicTeam politics and celebrity worship isn't new to this decade.
>>16918937Refueling is a new concept in aerospace and people like you need to see it with their own eyes before fully grasp it.
>>16918647I was watching Chinese cartoons
Good morning sfg. I have little something for your pp
>>16918754buy a calendar
>>16918764people will be flying in that
>>16918695You now remember that ATV was technically human-rated
>>16919009fiery but peaceful reentry
We'll get 3 starshit launches this year, 2 of which (partial) failures. First orbital refueling test next year. Bookmark this.
What’s lil Lonny’s explanation for how we definitely went to the moon and definitely will be back soon and then will definitely be on mars when it’s STILL a coin flip whether his next rocket launch implodes upon reaching suborbital altitudes? Kek.
>>16919060>This is why we test!
Can we go back to talking about how dinosaurs are fake, that was at least funny
>>16919034Blue demos orbital refueling (of hydrogen no less!) before SpaceX because they have developed a proprietary [REDACTED]. Screencap this.
>>16918997I like the idea, but not the artstyle
If you need to stop to refuel to get somewhere, you are not optimized to get there.
>>16919106archaic 20th century mission architecture
>>16919107How many men has this new progressive idea taken to other bodies?
>>16918941Liberals rely on a new racial group that they imported to win elections
Actually, my car needs the assistance of other vehicles and preexisting infrastructure to get to Moscow so my car is more optimized to go to Moscow than an airliner is.
>>16919106You need roughly 50-60t of hydrogen propellent to push a 30t mass from low earth to the moon, even NTR. Refueling is the way.
>>16919106refueling is just stagingand staging is always optimal
>>16919113That's why one political party is new.
What's getting launched first?>SLS>Starship>GTA 6
>>16919123Launched? Starship. If there is no requirement of functionality past launch, always bet on Starship
>>16919106yet you can optimize a sensible refueling infrastructure network nonetheless
Wait what is the logic behind orbital refueling?You'd still have to launch all that fuel into orbit first. Might as well just build a larger vehicle with more fuel?Because that way you get one single launch with multiple stages that can do whatever instead of several launches.Is it even practical?
>>16919133its the only thing that scales
>>16919133>Might as well just build a larger vehicle with more fuel?it would be a really big guy
>>16919133>Might as well just build a larger vehicle with more fuel?Now you need more fuel to launch the thing, with current tech refuels are the only way to launch a lot of mass outside of LEO.
Why even build gas stations? Just drive your car to the refinery like a sensible person.
>>16919143I walk it there to save gas.
>>16919143just have a gas tank that is big enough for the lifetime of the car
>>16919133Well for one thing it’s way easier to reuse a 9m or even a 12m Starship, instead of a fucking 30m one or some other obscenely large rocket—and 9m is already about the biggest size payload bay you need even for our heaviest imaginable payloads. You can start colonizing the moon and mars with 9m diam payload bay, 12m might make it a bit easier, but it’s already good at 9 and if you truly have rapid reusability (or at the very least insanely durable reusability with minimal refurb requirements) then it’s really trivial and just requires lots of launches, which oldspace would fall a numbers problem but obviously SX can handle it
>>16919153>9m is already about the biggest size payload bay you need even for our heaviest imaginable payloadsYou aren't imagining enough
>>16919123>>GTA 6Faggots that keep posting this meme are so pathetic. Who the fuck cares about some nigger simulator?
>>16919143>>16919133>>16919114>>16919106>>16919060>spam/flooding
>>16919163>announcing a report
>>16919133someone calculated before that one ACES refueled in orbit (which is the Vulcan upper stage minus the advanced features sadly) has more delta-v than a Saturn V can provide. So basically you use much cheaper rockets to do the job of the much more expensive rocket.
>>16919167I'm to lazy to report
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2026011919950238056
>>16919194you tell 'em Elon
>>16919194>more thirdies get cheap internetKYS
>>16919215he needs it to fund his cash burning businesses
>>16919194Based Muskrat letting more jeets on the internet
>>16919215>his destiny is to flood a billion more africans and asians on the internetwhy Elon? is it just the money?
literally nothing happening in days for what is supposed to be the busiest year ever for spaceflight
NEW>>16919256>>16919256>>16919256
its ok to keep posting here
>>16919106yeah
>>16919194Yeah can you make the Cybertruck 30k so I can afford? Please sir fucking help me I am indian
>>16919418kek, this guy watches MATI
>>16918873Wow, Clear's older than I thought.
