Why has there been no research into getting humans to lucid dream for long periods of time?
the sleeper must awaken
>>16917924I'm not convinced lucid dreaming even exists.I think people obsess so much over lucid dreaming through reality checks and journalling, that they start to dream that they're controlling their dream. But it's just a dream.
>>16918143>I'm not convinced lucid dreaming even exists.You can tell this poster has aphantasia.
>>16918143I've had two lucid dreams. Both were years ago and were short, maybe 20 seconds of lucidity in a 10 minute dream, but I remember the lucid parts well. Maybe because it was quite a strange feeling. My dreams are always basically on autopilot and I'm just along for the ride and there's lots of jump cuts with sudden changes in location etc. But with the lucid ones it started like that but I suddenly realised I was dreaming and things stopped changing and I was able to make a few conscious decisions before I lost control again. Minor things like choosing which direction to walk, but i felt 100% awake inside the dream for a short time.
i used to lucid dream accidentally all the time and then i got bad head trauma and now i dont dream at all anymore and also am a mouthbreathing retard
>>16917924>>16918341I've had many lucid dreams but things go horribly wrong in the dream whenever I try to utilize god-like powers. What I try to do is once I recognize that it's a dream, I try to act as god and say fly to Milan and fuck all the female athletes there. But once I try to do things, the dream takes a nasty turn and I wake up. Last time I tried it, there was a huge tornado around me that swept me up when I was flying and I woke up in a sweat. One way to recognize that you are in a dream is that clocks don't work properly in the dream. Picrel is a good animated film on lucid dreaming staring Ethan Hawke and Alex Jones.
>>16918143I realize that I am dreaming fairly often. Being able to "control" them is another story. Like a thought will come to mind and then I'm like "fuck, well I guess that's about to happen how" and it does. But I can't actively dictate "this is the thing I would like to happen now."
>>16917924Some things in nature, like planet cores, make quantum state fluctuations like an energetic, waving ocean. I've gone to bed and closed my eyes and gazed right at one from space. I hallucinated to sleep.It's the same type of matter; you can keep your mind in jumping around the universe once you learn to focus it. I've had lucid dreams from the images of it going through space. Important moments can last for days, and your dreams are catching up with it.
>>16918143>But it's just a dream.That was never in question, lucid dreaming doesn't mean its not a dream, it means you are aware it is a dream and have a bit of control over the content.
I taught myself to do it very reliably using the "clock trick"Think about clocks (inb4 cocks) for a lot before sleeping. Then, once you are in a dream, remember to look at a clock, there's going to be one when you need it. Note the hour. Next, look away from the clock and look back to it again - the hour will be different than it was seconds ago. So congratulations you now know you are dreaming. The brain will want to crash at this point and the first few times it will but the more it happens the more you can hold it together. Eventually after a couple of times you can explore your now lucid dream. This method worked so well for me I was able to pretty much turn every dream into effectively a hyperrealistic simulation and it kinda freaked me out, I had to train myself out of doing it.
>>16918707>fly to Milan and fuck all the female athletesLucid dream =/= OBE
>>16918870If he was flying his body to milan, then he wasn't out of his body, he was in his dream body flying it to his dream version of milan.
>>16917924I'm doing research into it with ChatGPT, Claude and Grok. Preprint will be published soon on Zenodo.
>>16918878>muh aiKys
>>16917924fucking plebeians, all of you, I had lucid hallucinationst. schizo
>>16918860>think of big black clocksI will try this.
>>16917924Member when the Monroe people actually did consciousness research rather than solely focussing on selling overpriced new age crystal rubber woo CD's? Pepperidge farm remembers
>>16918747>I realize that I am dreaming fairly oftenIsn't that all lucid dreaming technically means, aware that you are dreaming?>Being able to "control" them is another story.Isn't that something else, not just lucid dreaming, but more like dream manipulation or self-directed dreaming?
I'm actually in a dream right now where 4chan has been completely destroyed by insane post timers, stupid captchas, an influx of retarded anons and retarded jannies/mods. I'll wake up anytime now
>>16919607Correct
>>16917924Lucid dreaming is hard to replicate and seems to lack any known benefit that could make its research worth it.But, theres evidence that suggests that lucid dreaming can be a side effect of certain medications, like galantamine, and huperzine, which work by increasing the amount of acetylcholine present in the brain.This could open a path for researching the link between sleeping disorders and neurological degenerative diseases, or even fucking sleep apnea. I dont fucking know but its pretty interesting.
>>16917924>>16918143>>16919801If you oversleep you will dream every time.If you normally sleep 8 or 9 hours, and you smother your consciousness down, your excess mental energy will cause your synapses to access parts of your brain freely and dream.Lucid dreaming is just another step, after you start writing down your dreams to train yourself to remember them. I did this infrequently and now remember all my dreams after waking up, whether they were short or over the course of several hours. There's another aspect of organizing disparate concepts and thoughts into a cogent story which I practiced by reading a lot throughout my life. You can train this skill like anything else.It's not totally worth spending several extra daylight hours sleeping unless you prime yourself the day/night prior with deep study and filling of your hippocampus and short term memory storage with the thing you wish to dream about, which is even more of a time investment.
Propose the scientific question and methods to study it. I suspect both are very hard to make convincing.
Prove you aren't just dreaming that you're lucid dreaming
>>16919818If you're dreaming that you're lucid dreaming is that not just lucid dreaming?
i still don't get how they connected to each other's dreams in inceptionall they did was inject the sleep drug, but how did they connect?wasn't explained at all, it just happened
