Two days ago, a new report saying that Artemis III was impossible to pull off, too risky, and a work of fiction was released. They said that the mission they've been planning for decades just wasn't feasible.So Isaacman (the guy that Elon Musk picked) came up with an alternative plan in 48 hours from scratch, now the idea is to launch 3 missions before Trump's term expires, in contrast with the just 1 of the previous plan, and land on the moon twice before december 2028.Thoughts? Is it a sensible plan? Do you think this new plan will be safer than the old one?
>They said that the mission they've been planning for decades just wasn't feasible(((oops)))
>>16921665>2028lollmaoIt's not happening before 2030
>>16921671if it doesn't happen before 2030, it ain't happening before china
>We chose to do things not because they are easy, but because they are hard.We let John F. Kennedy Down Spacebros.
>>16921665and to think, we landed on the Moon in 1968 using a ship made of tin foil and duct tape.
>>16921665i think it's a matter of recognizing reality.
>>16921674China isn't landing on the moon by 2030, no one is landing on the moon by 2030. 2050 and it might be realistic.
I think the quickest option to beat China would be to make a cut down expendable starship to serve as an upper stage for TLI and use it to yeet a small lander like Blue Moon in one launch.Though I don't think it really matters if China lands before us. Lanyue won't be able to do anything that Apollo didn't already do. Starship HLS would be such a massive 1-up that it wouldn't matter if it came a few years later.
why is there never news aboout china's space program? they don't have their own artemis going on? they don't suffer delays?
>>16921665which dumbasses thought this was real?
>>16921665>No moon colony>No human on Mars>No floating Venusian airships>Hardly any documentation on other planets>No cool spaceships (save maybe for the new Starship that keeps getting delayed)>Not even artificial gravity>The most we got is the ISSWhy the fuck we did regress so hard in Space? Looking back at the 1950s and 1960s everyone in the world thought space was the future. Cars were designed like space ships, media was filled with space-themed stories, and the top scientists were literally drawing out plans for moonbases and habitable space stations. Then people stopped caring and thought space was stupid and now plans are guarantee to be delayed and never met.
>>16921708yeah its quite something when white men are in charge instead of women and troons and other retards
>>16921847Imagine that instead of a moon colony you're proposing a deep sea colony>oh you can sift the ancient sand for uh rare minerals>maybe there's useful stuff down there>think of the experiments!>we need to expand as an species>just spend a few trillions, cram a few hundred people inside a cramped tin can and hope for the best :)
>>16921861>oh you can sift the ancient sand for uh rare mineralsWell we already know there is rare shit on Earth that we can get in space like asteroid metals, helium 3, and microgravity (yes some materials need that for production). And I'd like to mention we barely even explored our solar system, so there is probably a bunch of shit out there we could use.>we need to expand as an speciesExcept we fucking do! With that mentality the modern world as we know it wouldn't exist since no one wants to go exploring.>just spend a few trillions, cram a few hundred people inside a cramped tin can and hope for the best :)Technology improves. The first Transatlantic Ships took months to cross and were smelly, dangerous, and only for hardened sailors. Now Mommy, Daddy, and their iPad baby could cross the ocean in just 6 hours in conditions that would make sailors from the 1500s jealous.
>>16921869You forgot that the first transatlantic ships found an entire new continent ripe for colonization, the first lunar capsules found useless dust that may or may not be useful before the next century if and only if fusion energy starts being usefulIt's not that nothing gets done because we don't know what's out there, it's precisely because we know there's nothing useful yet that nothing gets done>Except we fucking do! With that mentality the modern world as we know it wouldn't exist since no one wants to go exploring. Except it's already explored and it was deemed worthless. You think space is the new world, while in reality it's only Antarctica
>>16921837They’ve never had an astronaut killed in their space programs history. Apparently.
>>16921884this is the normal dude, not an outlier.lmao nasa treats their astronauts so bad that americans think death is normal. poor apollo guys
>>16921885death IS normal thoughever, it happens to 100% of people (except jesus)
How likely is it for ESA to overtake both NASA and China and land on the moon first?
crazy idea here but how about instead of sending humans to the moon for some cool selfies they just send a robot to the moon that can build a bunch of more robots using moon rocks and then they can build a cool base so the next time humans go there they have a place to live?
>>16921665Is the Chinese moon mission scheduled for 2028?
>>16922037before january 1st 2030but america gives overly optimistic dates and then delays, china gives overly pessimistic dates and then does it way before then
>>16921837Search for news in Chinese and you will find plenty or you know check wikipedia or something, it's not in the news because it's not embarrassing for China. Delays are a factor of overpromising and underfunding. Overpromising is easy to avoid since ultimately going to the moon is something that is known to be possible and not all that difficult and underfunding is easy to solve when you care about saving face instead of losing the next election when jews chimp out again. NASA is chained to constantly altering mission objectives and funding levels and insanely dependent on good will of the public to get any funding. They can't afford to make mistakes but at the same time they have to make sure to get all the science done with each mission because you never know when any given mission is the last. Chinese program is much more meticulous and plans on a longer time scale and can afford to just do test launches and dedicated missions.You can pretty much imagine how the reaction would be if NASA launches artemis and it just fucking blows up in space or during launch killing everyone on board. NASA would likely get gutted and never again do any manned space stuff. If that happened in China it would almost certainly lead to doubling down, twice the space ships, twice the funding and more astronauts to make up for the mistake.>>16922043The joke was that americans aren't going to the moon in 2028, only way man goes to the moon by then is that the Chinese do it.
>Whole crew is minorities>Rocket blows up>US doesn't try to send anyone to the moon in 100 years if it even still existsMost clownworld thing ever. Also the most likely.
*chirp*
>>16921665How come the original pictures taken on the moon do not have radiation damage?
>>16922006shalom
>>16922511whatjews don't believe in jesusjesus was just a jew which is why they hate him because he had to be one for any of them to listen to him
>>16921665But they said reactor on moon this year.
>>16922699they can't put a human on the moon bit they're going to put an cutting edge AI datacenter lmao
>>16922688christianity = evangelical judaism, simple as
>>16921730I don't like china but their program is reasonable and they are hitting their goals
>>16922920you couldn't say something more stupid if you tried
>>16922929face facts, christians been pushing abraham for 2000 years
>>16921665the devaluation of currency and the increase in costs that began in 1970s proved to be an end of the space race. The last moon visit took place in 1972. Ever since the abolition of the gold standard there wasn't a single successful moon mission. It's simply to expensive and risky to get someone on the moon. Insurance alone would be fucking nuts.
>>16922937If you want to be pedantic about it, Christianity is a reinterpretation of the god of Abraham and its entire cult, with new figures, new rules and new dogma. By every measure it became a separate religion that borrowed their god figure, same as Islam did when IT remixed Christianity.
>>16922941>same godi accept your concession
>>16921674we already landed on the moon a half dozen times before China, it's a done deal
>>16922943God isn't real dumbass, "god" is just a ritual implement, an idea to base rituals around and give your laws authority. The Abrahamic religions are different religions ripping off some names from one another.
>>16922964landing on the moon is not the big challenge - trying to build something resembling a permanent station or base is. It is not easy. What the Chinese have and what most Western nations don't is the resolve to go through with a lot of sacrifice and enough potential candidates to engage in the risky mission. Sadly, we got too lax in the last 30-40 years.
>>16922964>earth is supposedly 4x bigger than the moon>in this picture it's smaller than the moon is in the skythe jig is up, sorry glowniggy
>>16923018it's all so tiresome
I'd rather see a cool unmanned mission to titan or something than landing humans on a dead rock
>>16922017We can't even build an earth robot that can build another robot out of raw industrial stockWhy do you think we could build a robot that could build a robot out of moon rocks
>>16923159because all the good rocks on earth have already been consumed but the moon is full of nutritious moon rocks for the robots to feed on
>>16921665Artemis III wasn't scrapped and it hasn't been delayed. it was already on track for 2028, a new mission to test out the landers in LEO was inserted between Artemis II and III, making III become IV. So missions in 26,27,28 instead of a large gap
>>16921665We never landed on the moon faggotArtemis 2 was supposed to be last month and its delayed till April
>>16923394https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-shares-progress-toward-early-artemis-moon-missions-with-crew/WRONG. Just another reason why nobody trusts shills.
>>16923394the mission roadmap and objectives are completely different chud. it's a new plan alltogether
>>16923415nice chatgpt screenshot
why dont we scrap NASA entirely at this point
One Mercury probe >
>>16923023anon why is your moon backwards
these guys were supposed to do quarantine for 2 weeks before launching and they've been in quarantine for months now lmao
>>16926567why would they even take a picture of these faggots YEARS before the mission? This is the attitude of why we ain't ever going to the moon again, assuming we did in the first place.Just select who to send when things are ready and take the picture just before the mission. Damn it.
>>16925614I posted the link directly to the nasa article from the screen shot. Shills are so dumb. We never went to the moon and retards like this are proof we never needed to.
>>16926655>We never went to the moonSource?
With every delay I feel dumber and dumber for believing that we went there before.
>>16926732Another conspiracist. Best if you ignore him.
>>16923516Plus we'll have to redesign the Gateway modules because it was designed to be docked and flown with Orion.
>>16925692Luna flipped it
can someone explain to a normie retard why gateway is a thing when it would be a lot cooler to instead use all of those resources to make a small moon baseis it just that we'd need every 'part' of the moon station to be lunar landing capable, and that would simply cost too much?i just dont see what gateway will accomplish, the iss did a shit ton of spacewalks and a lot of stuff was learned, been there, done that, whats the point of doing it all over again in orbit around the moon?
>>16927119you are not the first to raise this argument. detractors of the gateway claim the moon already is a space station, so there's no use building a space station orbiting a space station.supporters day it's useful because it will make easier travels between the moon and mars and beyond (whenever those happen, I'm not convinced the gateway will still be standing by the time we land on mars)
>>16927119>Nasa goes to moon>Asks Congress if they can go to moon again>Confess says no>Nasa builds space station>Nasa asks Congress if they can go back to space station>Congress says no>"Wtf, you want the astronauts we left up there to starve? We have to go back">Congress says yesSame strategy with moon station. It's easier to build that a moon base, and it is the "gateway" to force Congress to continue funding moon missionsIt was believed to be a political necessity, not an engineering necessity.
>>16922975Artemis IV or whichever mission lands on the moon next won't be trying to construct a base there. But it will be an important step on the way to a base, because from there you can start to scale up the amount of cargo being delivered
>>16922928china can't even build a fighter jet without using 3 engines because their metallurgy is so trash that a more conventional 2/1 engine setup would overheat and melt. how the fuck are they gonna go to the moon?
>>16928458That's not true, the J-20 and J-35 are both twin-engine. Despite that prototype appearing to have 3 for whatever reason
>>16928458>china can't even build a fighter jet without using 3 engines because their metallurgy is so trash that a more conventional 2/1 engine setup would overheat and melt. how the fuck are they gonna go to the moon?most retarded take ever, the only reason for 3 is stealth while keeping the required power output
thread for retards
I have little faith in NASA to accomplish anything because the organization has been like a ship without a rudder. Diving into the re$earch project$ theyve been busy with for the last couple decades it seems apparent that theyve been all over the place with no focus. Theyve been researching 'green' propellants, doing feasibility studies on Venus satellite missions, seeing how much gas Mars is losing*, etc rather than focusing on the singular task of getting us to the moon and staying there. *MAVEN cost $582,000,000.
Best we can do is a space telescope and 6G internet sats every decade or so....For me...the worst part is that they bankrupt the nation and took us off the sound money intrinsically stellar evolution rarity gold/silver backed dollar and moved us onto the petrol FIAT slop credit dollarydoo system because of the space race in combination with Vietnam with the commies was so expensive they started to just hold the money printer button down irregardless of how much gold/silver they had to back the print. Now all 200 nations upon Earth are hyper inflating into FIAT slop hellAt this point we should consider ourselves lucky to have launched the James Webb...it might be the last scientific instrument of any value put into orbit as the global FIAT slop hyper inflated printing system collapses entirely and the whole global corrupt house of cards comes down biblically.Its all FIAT slop.Petrol dollar, Euro, BRICKS, Bitcoin....all unbacked FIAT slop that is tethered and pegged to how long the money printed button is held down for......It was a good run yall. We got pretty far, but human greed and lust was no match for the almighty god lord green paper rectangles.
