Imagine that someone pointed a gun at your face and told you that you're going to need to give them a million dollars exactly or else they'll blow your face off. Then you go to the room with the two boxes and the robot oracle, while the psychopath with the gun is waiting outside.Will the two-boxing people retain their choice to two-box even in this situation?
>>16928915All of the two boxers are only maintaining the two box choice from a theorical standpoint, trying to make a point about game theory and logic. Every two boxer would always take just one box if they were actually really in that situation. In other words, two boxers are all larping to artificially prolong the argument.
>>16928929>>16928915you're both NPCs. think about it like this. you are saying that there is a million dollars under B, yet given the option take BOTH FUCKING BOXES, you are gonna lose out. are you dumb? you are contradicting yourselves. if there's no money under it, then why are you saying only grab B. it's predetermined, yet you treat it like grabbing B is the only way to get the million dollars. what are you gonna do when you get the million dollars and you look at A? just pretend you didn't act like an imbecile? face it, you lost. your reasoning shows you lack the ability to understand the reality of the experiment.
>>16928933yeah you say all that but if you were actually in the situation you would just take the one box.
>>16928941no i wouldn't because i'm not insane. i'm not gonna throw away a thousand dollars due to some schizophrenic retro causality boogeyman. fuck outta here.
>>16928958yes your dedication to the larp is impressive and all but we all know that actually you would take 1 box and you're just pretending
>>16928915Yes, because I'm not retarded and I understand math.>>16928929Wrong. I would take both boxes in reality because I'm not retarded, unlike you.
I jam the exits and set the building on fire.....I am not trapped in here with you....you are trapped in this universe with me....Dont just flip the FIAT slop money changing tables over, burn the fuckers.....
The paradox is this:Choosing to take one box is the only way there can be a million dollars in box B, yet choosing to take it means you're leaving $1k on the table that you could, physically and theoretically, have taken.Inversely, choosing to take both boxes means there is $0 in box B, so you would have lost $1k by switching in a sense (even though if you had actually chosen to take one box there would be $1 million in box B instead.)This baffles and confuses midwits who don't understand why they can't have their cake and eat it too.
>>16928958>>16928963Congratulations, you're now dead.
>>16928984A simpler way to think about this is to imagine a child stealing pie being left to cool on the window.A mother is baking a pie. Of course a generous portion of it will be for her son, but she won't let him eat the whole pie. Normally, a pie would be left to cool on the window, but the child could steal it and eat the whole pie.Now the important thing is the personality of the son. If the child is obedient and wouldn't steal the pie, the mother will leave the pie on the window as usual, the child will not steal it and will eat a large portion of it later.If the brat is greedy and disobedient, the mother will not leave the pie to cool on the window, or better yet, she will leave a decoy and send her son to his room without dinner when she catches him trying to steal.So in one scenario the son could potentially steal and eat the whole pie, because there is a pie on the window, because the mother knows he wouldn't do that even though he is in a position to do so, and in the other scenario he is in no position to steal and eat the whole pie, because the mother knows he would do that.
>>16928984>choosing to take both boxes means there is $0 in box B,retard alert, if that's the case then taking one box isn't an option. it's preset. you act like it magically will change after walking in and committing to a choice. this board never ceases to amaze me. nothing exists if it's visible to you. you genuinely think the million dollars doesn't exist under that box the moment you grab for it and at no other point.
>>16929015No pie for you, retard.
i can't prove it but somehow, the collatz conjecture is tied to the chain of thought related to switching between a and ab, where being able to discern how long it will take for every human to terminate to a final choice is equivalent to ending on a 4,2,1 collatz sequence always with any number. i will not elaborate on this.
>>16928929 This.In the real world we actually live in:1) the guy proclaiming to have invented some god AI would be a ketamine addicted failson with room temp IQ and2) $1k bucks are not even worth the dignity of acknowledgement compared to $1M. >>16928933>>16928963Let me modify the experiment a little so even a poorfag can follow:>Box A contains nothing except for an award certificate that you are Very Smart Boi and beat the orcaleino, perhaps with credentials for a special reddit account just for extra bragging rights :)>Box B remains unchanged. >The experiment happens in the real world where no hypothetical hypergod AI exists (and never will) so all popsci schizobabble about retrocausality is irrelevant.Obviously, you would one box given the chance the coked up jobber doing this stupid experiment was retarded enough to give away 1M. If that was obvious, replace the reddit account with a single cent ($0.01).
I truly believe two-boxers have a pathological sense of entitlement, that's the only way their "reasoning" makes sense.>Ha! If it was me, I would take both boxes, imagine being satisfied with one million and leaving a thousand dollars on the table... What do you mean, there wouldn't be a million dollars for me? That doesn't make any sense, there's one million for you when you take one box, but there isn't for me when I take two boxes? Like... there's never a million dollar for me to take in the first place? But there magically is for you? How could there be 0 in my box and 1 million in yours? You idiot, it was all predetermined before we entered the room, so naturally there ought to be 1 million in my box too. Or else there wouldn't be a choice in the first place, my box would be empty, even though there's 1 million in yours. Now that's just preposterous, of course there's $1 million waiting for me to take it alongside the $1k, you fucking moron. Just watch... $0?! In my box?!! This "superintelligence" must be retarded! Good thing I didn't take one box!
>>16929026How can box B remain unchanged without the existence of the oracle? If there is always $1m in there you should take both boxes, if it is never there, you should take both boxes, if its randomly assigned whether its there, you should take both boxes. The only scenario without an oracle where it makes sense to take 1 box is if the $1m is initially there, and then sleight of handed away after a 2 box choice, which is no longer the same problem. The whole reason 2 boxers choose that option is because the contents don't change once you are in the room.
>>16928915I'd go in to the room and then draw my own gun to shoot the psycho, hopefully before he shoots me
>>16929025The small reward is some natural number and the big reward is >play again with the small reward halved
>>16928933Are you retarded? Do you not understand that there is NO REALITY where both boxes have money inside of them?Do you not fucking understand that? Just answer yes or no please, don't fucking give me any horseshit, just fucking say yes, or fucking say no, I don't fucking care about why you say yes or no, just fucking pick yes or no and fucking answer my fucking question you fucking tar black gorilla monkey bitch ass nigger
>do you not understand [schizobabble]
>>16928915>robot oracle,those are only good if you know them personally.I choose to do divinity by myself , the cards told me I need to be a faggot , so I choose 2 boxes.
>>16929025Everyone who is truly a two boxer goes to biblical hell. I will not elaborate on this. They are also likely to be one of those spergs that when asked "what's the chance it rains tomorrow," says "either 100% or 0%".
