>grow up being really fascinated by the possibilities of what's out there in the universe >in reality most of it is just a bunch of empty space and some big rocks with nothing interesting on themPretty disappointing, isn't it?
>>16929314sad but true, I'm starting to believe that because the universe isnt that old at 13 billion years that we may be the most advanced lifeform and thats why we see nothing going on.
I always find it odd when they talk about looking for signs of alien civilizations they seem to assume such a civilizaiton would just expand infinitely and colonize entire galaxies. I mean, why? After exploring a few dozen star systems everything would just start looking samey. Even if an advanced civilization went full robot that could replicate infinitely in any environment, why would they? Would be better to just limit your population and inhabit a handful of cherry picked stars so your entire species wouldn't be wiped out by a single cosmic event.Infinite reproduction just seems very bio-brained. Long term it'd only cause conflict.
>>16929314What's here is also out there retard, infinitely. And I am very interesting
>>16929321>I mean, why?That's the same thing humans did when they learned how to travel the seas. Why wouldn't aliens do the same?
>>16929326Not really an argument. Why would you expect aliens to do the same?
>>16929318Lower entropy in people at the start could have superpowers and wizards that filters the future.
>>16929328Because it goes off the assumption that aliens with advanced technology have a similar mindset to the humans who wanted to explore the unknown. It may be true, or it may be false.
Yeah Mars looks like Nevada with a different sky because the universe is homogenous. No whimsical stuff like CGI planets in Star Wars prequels.
if you've seen one black hole you've seen them all
>>16929314And you cannot reach them.
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>>16929395Or for that matter (this isn't even showing all the tiny little previously uninhabited islands that were colonized as soon as reliable oceanic travel was invented)
>>16929328What evidence do you have for them not acting like this?
sometimes I just say fuck it and believe every system out there has intelligent life and they all started in the exact same way, exact copies of us just in separate systems with minor variations
>>16929314>>in reality most of it is just a bunch of empty space and some big rocks with nothing interesting on thembased on what?The honest answer is we do not have enough information or observable samples to assert such things, i.e. "I don't know", which is uncomfortable
>>16929503This.There could be another civilization with a similar or slightly greater status of technological advancement as ours at the opposite side of the galaxy.There could be lots of planets with alien civilizations at different points equivalent to our history, at their own versions of Neolithic, Ancient Rome, Middle Ages, early modern period and so on.Maybe all planets that had civilizations ended up dying in global-scale nuclear wars.Or they just have non-sentient lifeforms such as plants, animals or microbes.Or perhaps they're all empty.The point is: we don't fucking know, our radio bubble spans a minuscule fraction of the entire volume of the galaxy. And there are trillions of them in the entire Universe.
>>16929321I think your conception of civilization is too monolithic. Maybe there's some magical hivemind civilization that can nearly perfectly control every part of itself to prevent expansion past a certain point, but even then if even once in a millennia something goes wrong and some part of itself breaks away and colonizes a new star, then repeating this cycle it would still only take a few 10's of millions of years for a galaxy to be fully inhabited by generations of this creature. A very long time for mere mortals, but nothing compared to the lifetime of a galaxy or the universe.And then if you include any kind of individuality in a civilization, just a random eccentric explorer or two deciding they want to live around a new star every hundred years, the pace increases dramatically. I suppose a civilization could find ways to breed out or program out or whatever all desire to explore or relocate, but I think at that point a civilization so dead set on preventing itself from expanding past a certain point is vastly more unrealistic than one that just naturally lets child civilizations expand out and gradually over the course of millions of years colonize a galaxy. Again, very very long on mortal timescales but nothing to the age of the galaxy or the universe.And a species that fundamentally doesn't desire expansion is just silly, that's not how natural selection works. Such an enlightened species probably wouldn't even discover tool usage before losing whatever intelligence they stumbled into because a big expensive brain that doesn't do anything to get you food is just a massive evolutionary disadvantage. So long as the laws of physics as we know them are still in play this will always be true.
>>16929314>No aliens>No sexy aliens>Just no meaning but make your own faggot meaning>We die anyways no matter what>Theres nothing to look up in the universe and reality>Things are still the same as alwaysThanks god, you're the fucking best asshole
>>16929314Nah, just accepting that humans will never make it past the great filter and our civilization was never that great to begin with.
>>16929503cool photo, who took it?
>>16929503>The honest answerif only we got more of those instead of assertive niggers talking about something they don't know shit about
>>16930362>Artist's conception of the Milky Way galaxy. 25 June 2009>Own work Adapted from the following NASA images:>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:236084main_MilkyWay-full-annotated.jpg>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Messier51_sRGB.jpg>Software used>Adobe Photoshop CS3 Windows
>>16929314The thing about "outer space" is it only looks interesting when seen from millions of lightyears away. And space being an airless vacuum you can't freely set sail like in an ocean.
Do the math bros. If there is life in 0.000001% of the planets and rocks out there, that's still trillions upon trillions of life forms and biomes, wars, civilizations, ruins, art, death. The universe is filled to the brim with life. You guys sound like a bug on the asphalt on a desert road questioning if there are any forests left on earth. Yes, there is plenty of empty space, it's mostly empty, but that's just like saying the ocean is mostly made of water and not fish, and yet, from a different perspective, the ocean is full of fish.
>>16929314Also considering that we will never get to even Proxima Centauri by normal travel. We'd need to invent a method of extreme long-distance teleportation.Any species that can do that will find freedom in space travel, otherwise they will never communicate with alien lifeforms.
>>16930468> 0.000001%Well if you make up numbers you will obviously get meaningless results. No one actually knows the real number but every thing we have learned suggests it's far, far more unlikely than that.
>>16929314Not true. You're simply ignorant.
>>16929314the galaxy is ours.
>>16929314>NO YOU CANNOT ASCEND PAST THE CELESTIAL SPHERES>WE NEED OUR HIDDEN ASTRAL PLANES ON OTHER PLANETS FOR OUR VACATIONS>THE STARS IN THE SKY WERE NOT MADE FOR MAN, THEY WERE MADE FOR THE ANGELS AND THE JEWS>FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD>WHY ARE WE BEING SENT TO TARTARUS, I ONLY PUMPED AND DUMPED 7000000000000 WOMEN.
>>16929503how do we know what the whole milky way looks like if that's the extent of our radio broadcast?
>>16929314>>16929503>I have a friend who’s an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don’t agree with very well. He’ll hold up a flower and say “look how beautiful it is,” and I’ll agree. Then he says “I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing,” and I think that he’s kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe. Although I may not be quite as refined aesthetically as he is … I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it’s not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there’s also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts.
