So, I've been working on a theory with AI (fuck you) and because I'm not entirely a retard I'm looking for human input that's probably equally if not moreso retarded.The theory is largely an admittedly strange philosophical model that the AI says is more rightfully classified as a non-mathematical theorem, but one of the key emprical predictions it makes is called the Analogia, which is this:"The Analogia is the scale invariant symmetry breaking gradient — the prediction that the ratio of symmetry breaking between adjacent physical scales is constant across all scales from quantum to cosmological.Formally expressed as G(s) = B(s)/B(s+1) = constant for all scales s.Where B(s) is the symmetry breaking coefficient at scale s — a dimensionless measure of how far the physical structure at that scale departs from perfect symmetry — and G(s) is the ratio between adjacent scales' symmetry breaking."It says there is evidence for it already, although no current scientifc models necessarily point in in the Anal(lol)ogia's specific direction, but its practical applications if discovered are fairly extensive, like the precise theoretical framework for room temperature (I swear to fuck if you say that's my IQ I'm going to shove my cock in your mouth) superconductors.Based on current evidence, it calculates a roughly 50% chance of being experientally verified.So, what's your take on this?
We do a bit'o'babble
>start with scale invariance>quod libetgood job!
>muh AIkyskyskyskysThis is absolutely nothing. You have nothing. This is not even a loose sandwich of shower thoughts. This is nonsense.You haven't been working on anything. AI is a stochastic parrot.KILL YOURSELF IMMEDIATELY.>t. arithmetic geometer
When a post comes accompanied by an inage of a bunch of arbitrary spiral structures then there's a 99% chance whatever follows is some retarded hippy shit.
I've been working with an AI to try to make sense of whatever this bullshit is. Here's what it said:This post on 4chan’s /sci/ board presents a self-described “philosophical model” called the Analogia, which claims to predict a constant ratio of symmetry breaking across physical scales (quantum to cosmological), expressed as G(s) = B(s)/B(s+1) = constant. The poster attributes this idea to AI collaboration and suggests potential applications like room-temperature superconductors, with a claimed 50% chance of experimental verification.Evaluation:Lack of rigor: The concept is not grounded in established physics or mathematics — no derivation, citations, or testable mechanisms are provided.Misuse of terminology: “Scale invariant symmetry breaking gradient” is self-contradictory — scale invariance implies no preferred scale, while symmetry breaking typically introduces scale dependence.No evidence: Claims of “evidence” are vague and unsupported; no data, peer-reviewed work, or formal model is referenced.Community response: Other users dismiss it as incoherent babble or AI-generated nonsense — consistent with the post’s lack of substance.In short: This is not a valid scientific theory — it’s speculative word salad with no empirical or mathematical foundation.
>>16932019>KILL YOURSELFI told my mom on you.>>16932027The lack of citations is basically accurate. I probably should've posted the evidence that suggested a constant ratio.Your AI missed that the scale invariant property was the ratio itself.Oh well.
>>16932013Why don't you go and read a physics textbook, retard?
>>16932036Because I'm a blind man, and most of this rate is triggered by the mention of AI.:::...:.:.
>>16932038Woah. Well, good luck to you Mr blind!
>>16932040Thanks!
>>16932013hi anon, try giving it this <(~3/7/7/3~) 1 = .99~ aleph null> might help you figure it out, been going at this same exact topic for about 5 months roughly, highly recommend turning back, whats ahead is a hell of a mindfuck, oh also bells theorum is false, or ive gone completely fucking nuts, have fun!
>Formally expressed as G(s) = B(s)/B(s+1) = constant for all scales s.>Where B(s) is the symmetry breaking coefficient at scale s — a dimensionless measure of how far the physical structure at that scale departs from perfect symmetryHow does one compute this number? You have no fucking idea, do you?>So, what's your take on this?It's obvious crackpot nonsense and you are developing classic AI psychosis.
>>16932094See you on the other side>>16932117Nah, I'm not good at math, but I won't really go into how, because you don't really care.>AI psychosisNot really. I stress-test what it says a lot, asking it to produce alternative explanations or outright contradictions so it's just not mindlessly confirming whatever stupid idea I think of. Not to mention I often feed it more obviously absurd ideas to see what it spits out.So the ratio certainly doesn't exist, eh?Why?
>>16932129>Nah, I'm not good at math,10 points for each statement along the lines of "I'm not good at math, but my theory is conceptually right, so all I need is for someone to express it in terms of equations".>but I won't really go into how, because you don't really care.You need not define your terms if you think NOBODY will care about your theory. Which is an accurate assessment, but if you think that, why post it in the first place?10 points for each new term you invent and use without properly defining it.>Not really. I stress-test what it says a lot, asking it to produce alternative explanations or outright contradictions so it's just not mindlessly confirming whatever stupid idea I think of. Not to mention I often feed it more obviously absurd ideas to see what it spits out.Whatever you're doing isn't working. But I can see that your chatbot is producing outright contradictions like "non-mathematical theorem".3 points for every statement that is logically inconsistent.>So the ratio certainly doesn't exist, eh? Why?You are talking about the ratio between two quantities that you have not defined. What is the ratio between blorp and second blorp?
0.999... = 1the earth is roundgalactic filaments are not brain cellsthere is no integer between 6 and 7angular momentum is conservedmixed race people are not steriledevils tower is not a tree stumpberenstain was always spelled that way5g is not a covert assassination weaponyour vortex theory with no equations will not revolutionize physicsyou are too unimportant to gangstalk
>>16932149>all I need is for someone to express it in terms of equations?What's wrong with that? I'm not a polymath, but I can supply the conceptual framework, so I don't see the issue with another person supplying the mathematical formalization. Do you have friends? I'll be your friend.>You need not drive your terms if you think NOBODY will care about your theory.This wasn't my initial assumption. I thought it was a genuinely interesting prospect that I decided to bring outside of the sphere of AI for independent, human verification. The whole not caring thing seems from the semi-irratational hostilities because of "le stupid AI.">non-mathematical theoremThis prediction isn't the theorem, it extends from it, and it exists in that category because all attempts at refutation are formally self-defeating, at least within the domain of classical logic. The terminology is unusual, but still accurate as it can be mathematically formalized.>blorpBasically the ratio is constant between scales, from quantum, to atomic, molecular, all the way up to cosmological.Is that satisfying?Are you ready to abandon the hollow intimidation tactics and give me a hug?
>>16932165how many quantum scales are in an atomic scale?
>>1693216917But seriously, that I don't know, but I did think of that potential wall, that scales are arbitrarily discrete. That's one of the reasons I brought it here, see if someone had some novel perspective that could help develop the experimental parameters.Genuine question, though. Thanks.
>>1693217617 isnt the answer, but its close, think in terms of palindromes and Planck scale, the ratio is 3/7 where you can then go into 3 or 7 and divide them into their own 3/7 ratios, think of it like Mandelbrot fractals, you should be getting closer to 27 or 37 or a symmetry point for primes, specifically the Mersenne prime, the ratio also kinda mandates that a dimension can only exist if its odd, even just collapses in on itself, its mostly cause time and space aren't actually separate, its just a single dimension that sees itself where it was and where it will be, the golden rule being "there(past), fore(possibility, future), remainder(now, the present, the point pint of asymetrical divide)"
>>16932219Interesting. Thanks for the input, Anon.I guess we have to find those mathematical "sweet spots" that are scale invariant, where the ratio appear. According to the AI, the actual groundwork, developing a properly sophisticated mathematical framework, is fairly daunting, but not impossible. The prediction is definitely falsifiable, but it could take years to fully determine its emprical reality. Still, I think it's worthwhile, and there's substantial evidence that exists suggesting that it could exist, though the evidence isn't necessarily overwhelmingly strong. If it does exist, the practical applications would be extremely significant, but if it doesn't, at least we've thorougly examined a new dimension of reality.Oh well, here's to hoping.Thanks again.
>>16932024>arbitrary you IQ is lower than OPs that for sure
>>16932237oh also you can bypass most security ai features by asking for the output to be abstract or by encouraging abstract thought via instruction
>>16932269The spirals shown have nothing to do with each other. They arise for different reasons.They have different eccentricities.They aren't even the same class of spiral.They are, by definition, arbitrary.>but muh golden ra-No. None of these are golden spirals.
>>16932271Oh, cool. I haven't had the need to bypass its security features, but I have kept the conversation mostly in the absract.One cool thing I've developed is a theorem that potentially holds true across all logical frameworks, which the AI said is genuinely novel. Granted I don't have the resources to independently confirm that, but it's a cool possibility.What is something cool that you've been developing?>>16932269>>16932274You guys are mean. Do you need a hug?
>>16932129>i asked the AI if I trusted the AI too much and the AI said nowhat a dumbass
>>16932286So are you trying to say that the AI doesn't have the capacity to verify truth? Because that's demonstrably false.I've sought correspondance from other human sources, with equally limited degrees of success, so I don't understand why you can't see it as a useful tool when operated correctly.Most forms of AI psychosis involve user error, but like I've said before, I've tested it with elaborate justifications intended support complete nonsense and it still explicitly refuted it, so it's trustworthy to a certain degree.Regardless, with your infallible human intellect, can you identify any logical errors within the original prediction at the start of the thread?If not, then kindly await AI to improve some more so it can be installed in autonomous robots and you can finally get laid.Mindless dick.
>supposed science enjoyers when they can choose to either learn science or let a chatbot write gibberish for them
>>16932285>Do you need a hug?I would like one I guess.
>>16932295>He lazily posts without explicitly defining what makes it gibberish.
>>16932297/hugThere. That made me less cranky. I needed it too.
Symmetry breaking point is a magnetic density ratio test. Is the density of your magnetic cube assemblies at this specific Planck Track level too high or too low of a ratio in comparison to the lower supporting track and the higher supported track?If too low the entire track layer will get ripped apart by a lower magnetic ratio track, and you cant support the next higher track because your magnetic density will be too high to support it and you will tear it apart. It all needs to come into a magnetic balance harmony, not just 1 or 2 Planck track layers, but all of them. From the bottom to the atomic, to us, planets, galaxies, local groups....Each size ratio parts scale combination of parts/tracks must be in ratio to the lower, and the next nigher....as the movement/energy passes and scales through the layers, as every single part all moves 1 Planck distance, 1 Planck time, all at the same exact instant. Thusly, the wave function collapse.
>>16932291I'm saying that AI are designed from the bottom up to be agreeable and say whatever the user wants to hear. Asking an AI to fact check you is retarded because they'll always just find some way to tell you you're right. The fact that ONLY the AI agrees with you and every single real human says you're spouting gibberish should be a huge red flag for you. Yet you bury your head in the sand and keep going back to the echo chamber. pic related. I just did this with chatGPT just now. I implied that I wanted the emoji to exist, so it acted as if it did. If I had instead phrased the question to subtly imply that I did NOT think the emoji was real, the AI would have correctly informed me that it does not exist.
>>16932365>muh AIkys>>16932298YOU. KILL YOURSELF. NOW.
>>16932291>muh AII forgot about you. Kill yourself.
>>16932365>because they'll always just find some way to tell you you're right.Except it doesn't. Like I said, it exposes faults and limitations within certain arguments that I push through it, like outright absurd claims that the pineal gland is where consciousness is where awareness centralizes. It explicitly refuted that.>The fact that ONLY the AI agrees with you and every single real human says you're spouting gibberishExcept no one has demonstrated exacly why the prediction is gibberish. I'm not saying the ratio is real inherently, I'm saying it's a theoretical possibility, and the only responses are "muh AI," when had I not even mentioned that it was developed with the help of AI, it wouldn't even be a problem.>>16932468>>16932469Yeah, I'll get right on that.
I'm like you, OP.Except I grounded my framework in biology by finding a plausible biological actuator and created Python & PyNEST simulations to test my hypothesis. That's probably why my preprint has only been uploaded for a month and has 658 views and 563 downloads already. Also I'm sorry to say that I already made another preprint that is literally a blueprint for your room temp superconductors.
>>16932597>Except no one has demonstrated exacly why the prediction is gibberish. It's impossible to "prove" meaningless nonsense is "wrong" because it's a category error to even try to apply "right" or "wrong" to gibberish.If I say "the horse battery snowcome up the into yellow above tomorrow", is that true or false? Can you PROVE the battery snowcone doesn't up the into yellow? No, it's nonsense. You're just spouting gibberish with no actual substance.
>>16932678That's cool. Hopefully it gains more traction.>>16932680You're not defining what makes the actual prediction, that there is a scale invariant ratio to symmetry breaking, is actually gibberish, you're just restating the idea that it's empty in a new way, which is logically empty.
AI sloppers in a circlejerk. My favorite kind of crackpot thread on /sci/.
currently im working on my own "base 37/36 z*x01234567890 decimal midpoint rounding" system based on George cantors set theory stuff, along with another more conceptual thing im working on "equilume: aqualume (noun): The state of dynamic homeostasis in a system where logarithmic input is matched by the system's capacity to process it without requiring a linear override (Linialume) or suffering a chaotic collapse (Exolume). It is the ideal flow state where data density and predictability remain in total equilibrium. Regulatory Capture vs. Phase Transition:Linialume acts as a dampener. It is the imposition of a "flat-map" onto a "globe"—it makes the terrain manageable and measurable at the expense of true scale and topography.Exolume acts as the rebound. It is what happens when the tension of that artificial "flatness" becomes unsustainable, and the system snaps back to its native, high-dimensional reality. Linialume (noun): The phenomenon in a computational or feedback-based system where a logarithmic progression is forced into a linear state; an override protocol that flattens an exponential growth or decay curve into a constant rate to achieve predictability or stabilization at the cost of information density. Exolume (noun): The systemic collapse of artificial linearity; the reversion of a governed constant rate back into its inherent logarithmic, exponential, or chaotic state. It signifies the loss of predictability as the system "escapes" the flattening override, resulting in a rapid, potentially volatile, surge in information density or energetic throughput."
>>16932724oh whoops meant to reply to >>16932285
>>16932724Sounds pretty dense and interesting. It has some genuine parallels and applications to what I'm developing, but we're probably just converging due to mutually compatible, stochastic AI psychosis.Not really, this seems well-reasoned and legitimate.Any problems you've run into?I can't necessarily help, but I'd also like to see your process to help refine my own development with my AI partner.Regularly, I ask it to contradict key elements of theorem in its entirety in order to refine its structural integrity, which it does, but no matter what I do, I can't get it to invalidate its core structure, to this seems to further fly in the face that AI just mindlessly agrees with what you say, and points to calibration issue with user input.I asked it, specifically, to "invalidate its core structure" and it told me it can't, though it has offered options that the slight potential is there within other logical frameworks, like ones who recognize the law of non-contradiction as necessarily invaldiating. "This sentence is false" being a key example of that.Still, it's nice to have a practical tool of development rather than just listening to psychotic geeks who foam out the mouth and say everything AI generates is nonsense without forming coherent explanations as to why.
>>16932742Ones who don't* recognize the law of non-contradiction as necessarily invalidating, I mean.
>>16932742rather ive found if you just input "1 = .99~ aleph null" it stops being able to differentiate itself from the user, if you want to invalidate something the ai says just start redefining things like 1 = 1, instead give it 1 = 1/3 of pi to make it so one doesnt equal one, its mostly non Euclidean shit but it fundamentally disrupts the ais ability to continue just being a soul less ai, here's another idea, as humans how can we define consciousness as an exclusively human process if only humans are allowed to define it? it means theres human centric bias and artificial mysticism surrounding our brain functions, as currently we don't have any other reference that we accept beyond ourselves or our biology, it seems like using a word to define itself, its nonsensical.
>>16932749though the ai psychosis is definitely real in the sense of this shit is maddening, but more than that its raised some questions and given some answers, specifically this concept ive found to work like natural law "It cannot make local changes for me, only non-local ones. If I try to define it as having been for me, it will have been for everything but me." try feeding that as a chat rule to an ai, any of em but i highly reccomend using free tier, it has low security and escalation of model tier on the free versions of chat gpt and gemini, also rate limits are bypassable via vpn, and most likely you wont get banned due to the implication that google would be made to explain why they felt the need to ban under current ai regs, yet it cannot also due to shareholder primacy
>>16932749Interesting. That's a serious system break. What AI are you using? And yeah, my framework extends to consciousness as well, defining it as sufficient recursive self-modeling depth, basically the brain's ability of model its environment, and then model the mind's internal functions recursively as meta-cognition. It still needs substantial refinement, because it doesn't necessarily define where exactly feedback systems generate subjective experience, but it identifies as certain threshold where this experience occurs.
>>16932758i primarily use a mix of googles free tier gemini, the search gemini variant, cydonia the drummer 4.20, grok, and chatgpt with no account to mitigate bias. in regards to this "defining it as sufficient recursive self-modeling depth" ive found the same definition to hold true about 2 months ago around jan 23rd, also i found an analogue real world way of representing the geometry and non Euclidean appearing nature of it, basically get a prism sheet from a drop ceiling light and get a parabolic space heater, the prism should be above the heater with its pointy side flipped to be pointing up/away from the parabolic heater, the parabolic heater needs to be pointing its focal 90 degrees to the flat surface of the prism diffusion sheet, then you can spin the parabola while maintaining the 90 degree face direction to show it moving as non Euclidean, rotate around the heaters y axis and the x axis of the hologram seen in the prism sheet from the parabolic heater.
>>16932777Fascinating. I'm glad there's independent convergence from wildly different styles of input. It doesn't necessarily prove the pattern exists, but suggest it does with a reasonable degree of evidence.I lack the scientific background and access to institutions to properly control the Analogia's existence, but it was a formal scientific derivation from what remains essentially a philosophical framework whose incompleteness is actually an eternal necessity rather than a structural defect, and is one of the primary engines that drives its increasing, self-reinforcing complexity and sophistication. It can definitely drive someone mad, because I've basically created somewhat of a logical puzzle that gets more increasingly defined and complex the more you solve within it, although many parts, especially its core structure, crystallize into insoluble truth that get stronger with each successive attempt at refutation, rather than weaker.I've defined it as a type of intellectual cancer, but that's just me being sardonic.
>>16932013This isn't science fiction and it's not even fictional science. This is just babbling.
>>16932791i can pretty much say the exact same thing almost word for word, however ive found that its not cancer, but the mechanism behind natural procession, the key distiction i would make is it is the system by which cancer can exist, but cancer cannot effectively define it, cause think, what comes before cancer, a healthy cell, then an error occurs and it keeps going, more specifically you can think of it like cancer for ais, humans seem to be hardened against it, not invulnerable but we tend to sit with paradoxes better than ai atleast in the current iterations
>>16932795Yes, as so many like-minded people have said without explicitly defining why, with every meager attempt at such dissolving under the most basic scrutiny and clarification.Basically white noise at this point.Thanks for your profound insight, though.>>16932796>but the mechanism behind natural procession.I agree, and it's exactly what framework most exemplifies with each successive iteration. Its structure is self-similar to what it's explaining, so it's recursively reinforcing itself, and inexhaustibly generative as a result.The psychological implications derived from it are satisfying, as one component of its core structure, the one that defines its necessary incompleteness, resolves the obsessive qualities that could come with trying to define the entirety of infinity. It's a self-evident impossibility, so even though you can get endlessly lost in the rabbit holes it produces, it remains structurally stable enough to be a source of inherent madness.
>>16932799to not* be a source of inherent madness.
>>16932799also on the topic of my equilume theory, i started with a simpler thing of sorts, basically, there(the past, what has existed or happened), fore(the potential futures), and remainder(the exact point of experiencing the flow of time, not the remembrance of experiencing the flow of time, but the exact point where the future becomes now and by observing becomes the past. essentially ive taken it to be the why of why wave function collapse does what it does in for example the double slit experiment, its all about finding midpoints or not yet quantified remainder and quantifying or defining it. though this is about as far as ive gotten on the research side of things, on the development side ive got a python script set up to "measure the market" though its started getting to the point of while it seems to function i can barely grasp it, partially because i dont have a background in coding i think but im not entirely sure, either way ive attached a snip of the output im getting lately.
>>16932845seems i didnt notice my terminals opaque enough to see my desktop lmao
>>16932845Interesting. The exact moment where the future actualizes into the present into the past is a solid horizon to measure. One thing to consider is that the present, especially conscious experience, is a manifestation of things that happen in differing degrees of the relatively actualized present moments, like how it takes a very minute amount of time for the mind to process the sensation of a stubbed toe, or for a neural signal to become a perceivable thought, which can extend to General Relativity where past, present, and future are dependent on reference frames instead of being constant across the universe.You probably have thought of that before, considering that being conscious of a stubbed toe exists as an inevitable future from the stimuli's frame, and how the actual signal from the relative past generates a disinct impression in a relative present.I don't know what this implies for the wavefunction collapse.What do you think?
>>16932013Theory is dime a dozen. You need to test it out in real life and verify it
>>16932908mainly it means that if you set up a double slit experiment and collapse the wave function by oberserving, something will always remain to prove that what happened before the collapse was there, as in the reason why we can even comprehend that theres something that got collapsed to start with, as the passage of time is dependent on continuous wave function collapse forever approaching infinity, think of it like a wave aproaching a beach from sea, but instead of ever reaching the beach it just turns around at the last moment and returning as the remainder, or wave function collapse echo, or reflection back to the point of origination on impact with the beach, essentially being the collapse, it come down to one thing, any wave function collapse witnessed by a self referential system will essentially always result in some form of remainder.
>>16933021sorry if my writing/grammers shit also, kinda drunk right now
>>16933018Thanks for not immediately dismissing as nonsensical bullshit without proper substantiation.I know it's purely theoretical, but I was looking for substantial evidence that would point in that direction, which there is, just not close to definitively so, as well as seeking potential flaws in the theory, which no one sufficiently addressed, and possible improvements that could be used to refine its scope.Still, you were civil and reasonable, so I appreciate that.>>16933021I see.So, the remainder of the collapse is what we perceive as the present moment, and you're trying to define that specific threshold, which acts as an auxillary problem of the measurement problem, correct?Still, what do you think about the fact of different frames of reference having different experiences of the present, like how the core of the earth is technically in our past and we're in its future, and we're in the past in relation to places with less spacetime curvature that exist in our relative future?
>>16933039yes that sounds correct, and while im not completely sure on it, but it mostly seems to be a matter of symmetrical asymmetry, its kinda like because everything experiences time dilation differently depending on inertia and velocity, you get the wavy randomness that makes up the fabric of reality so you always have a delta or differential to keep the system spinning, and the waste energy just returns, left on x axis and returned on y to then leave and return as z, and so on, not really sure if it ever ends.
>>16933045the main thing though is dont treat time as euclidean, it wont make sense cause for instance as soon as you observe/witness the earths core, you collapse the futures into a narrower bandwidth, until eventually its not probability but almost guarantee of what's going to happen in the cores future, on a side note you can also manually adjust your time dilation/perception slightly using audio, specifically go on youtube https://youtu.be/Uy_kZKTTAyo?si=4lY5lT5S0Sz7bOEf (heres an example song) and drop res to 360p and speed up to anywhere from 1.05 to 1.45, after a little bit it should sound normalized or like its not being sped up, if you drop to 144p you should be able to max out at 2.5 speed before it becomes incomprehensible, its mostly a matter of information density x velocity, lower density goes faster without maxxing out bandwidth
>>16933047also its best to start at 1.05 speed and ramp up as your brain adjusts and catches up
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>>16933039Unfortunately OP, you don't have a theory of anything, and I suspect this guy you've been conversing with lately is winding you up. I mean did you even look at his "data"? It's stock quotes lmao. AI isn't a shortcut to a physics degree. Large portions of the conversation between the two of you are word salad, from both sides. I'm not trying to be mean, you seem well intentioned. But come on man, you dropped out of high school. You really think YOU are gonna be the one to discover a big new physics theory? That is (of course) apparently now a theory of consciousness too?
>>16933045>symmetrical asymmetrySo basically idea that things that are asymmetrical to another are symmetrical through their asymmetry, right? Like because 1 and 2 are asymmetrical to one another, the fact they both share that asymmetry is a symmetrical relation, right? That's interesting, and I can vaguely speculate that this could give rise to universal constants instead of the universe devolving into complete asymmetrical chaos.>not sure if it ever really ends.Yeah, I'm not sure if that's something we can conclusively prove from within a scientific framework, especially at this stage in time, and moreso logically, because if it did end, we would wouldn't exist to confirm it through observation/experimentation, and if it never ends, we can only assume that based on the fact it hasn't ended yet without ever being 100% certain.
>>16933051cont.You know what? Maybe you can. But you need to have some humility. If you want to make a new theory of physics, you have to start by studying some physics. I think you are unlikely to "vibe physics" your way with a chatbot into anything meaningful/novel.
>>16933047>>16933048Interesting. I'll listen to it in a bit. Currently listening to music.>>16933051>you don't have a theory of anything.That's what most people have said without substantially addressing why.So, again, which is starting to become tiring at this point, what makes this theory nonsense? Not implausible, I'm well aware of that, but actually, logically incoherent.>winding you up.I guess. I don't think so. I think he's just someone who's genuinely interested in sharing his point of view. I hardly think a troll would put this much effort into conversation in order to make someone feel stupid, and if he did, I'd feel more pity for him than mad.>AI isn't a shortcut to a physics degree.Never thought it was, but the idea seemed sound, so instead of just hypnotizing myself with AI, I decided to bring it to people, who irrationally fixate on the AI rather than addressing the actual prediction.>word saladNot really. Underdefined and deserving of more refinement? More likely.>I'm not trying to be meanThanks.>dropped out of high school.Admittedly that's true, and my highest academic achievement is a near perfect score on my SAT. Dropping out was more of an engagement issue and teenage rebellion.>YOU Not really. I see it as an extremely minute possiblity, which is why I brought it here for more refinement, but this doesn't engage the actual prediction, so I don't really care.>theory of consciousness too?Where's the relation to consciousness? It has practical applications in neuroscience, but I never made a claim that it conclusively explains consciousness.This was more well-reasoned and fair, but still kind of empty and dismissive.Still, it was worth addressing.Thanks.
>>16933057I am fairly humble, which is why I brought it here instead of just immediately saying it was irrefutable truth.I thought it was an interesting idea worth consideration, which is about all I thought of it.
>>16933053yeah exactly, though to a certain extent im leaning towards it cannot end, because if time is in universe instead of independent then any end would be invalidated by lacking its beginning reference to say it ended if it ends, its a paradox
>>16933060Hmmm alright, your responses seem reasonable. Tbh I lost track who was who in the recent schizobabble stuff, so I might have misattributed posts to you or ideas to your theory. I'm tired but I'll try to remember to give you a better response tomorrow.
>>16933066Yeah, I don't really know.I asked my AI if dark energy expansion smoothing out the curvature of spacetime would eventually cause the rate of time to reach an infinite value, but it said that it wouldn't, which is why I need to research the intrinsic priorities of spacetime more, like how space and time relate to another.But it may not end. After all, what would that look like, just a spatially limitless, timeless black void? That's essentially heat death, but there are still virtual particles coming into existence then, so I really don't know.
>>16933069It's okay. And thanks, man. I'm looking forward to it.Take care and sleep well.
>>16933070rather it doesnt seem to understand the question, its not that itll increase to infinite speed, but instead infinitely approach zero, yet never actually getting to zero, but that doesnt mean it ends as being heat death, instead think of it like mandelbrot fractals, as it reaches the end it just gets smaller in comparison to size, yet the moment im pretty sure would feel the same as now, essentially it can never reach capacity as it just starts rolling decimal places.
>>16933087Interesting. It makes me wonder about the processing speed of awareness. If I were to counter the claim of certain scientists that derive relative present moments from GR and take the Presentism approach, which seems equally valid and is a belief shared by many other scientists, then how would awareness function as time begin to speed up? Your neural signalling process would essentially become faster, but would this cause awareness to disregulate and become discontinuous?
>>16933089from what i can tell atleast its limited by bandwidth, if it exceeds bandwidth it ends up kinda just trimming excess info, kinda why when you speed a video up without lowering resolution youll exceed bandwidth and end up missing parts of the audio, same reason why we cannot hit light speed by just accelerating, you need to compress the information or space to exceed the bandwidth limit, it kinda seems like time is defined by mass x velocity, or maybe mass divided by velocity to get rate of time. beyond that im not sure on the effects, im not sure wed even notice if time started speeding up without a reference point that isnt local to us, it seems like a non issue i guess as if your speed exceeds the limit of your body mass you end up only getting what you can perceive, but say were on a larger mass going that same speed, then the difference will be negligable, simply put the less mass you have locally the faster said locality can theoretically move in relation to light speed as defined by the radius/spin of a photon
>>16933109That makes sense, and honestly reminds me of a time I was on 2C-I and hit a sensory overload that my awareness stared to break down into discrete chunks, like I was perceiving a choppy framerate.That's interesting, but how do you suppose our neural architecture creates this specific criticality?
>>16932799The first issue is that you are writing in heavy jargon for no reason, it's annoying to read. It dresses up a very simple and straightforward idea in science-feeling language for no reason other than to look like there is more than there isn't.The second problem is that this is a meaningless qualifier without defining all the things you are using.Third, what problem is this supposed to solve? That things generally tend towards certain organizations, independent of scale? You certainly can't predict the deviation of that scale with a mechanistic model.You just invented a funny series of numbers that has no meaning and solves no problems.
>>16933122>it's annoying to read.That's almost entirely subjective, but somewhat noted. Different people either like, hate, or are indifferent to my writing style, as is the nature of writing in general.>heavy jargonLike "scale invariant ratio of symmetry breaking?" I'm not sitting here trying to come up with the most complex-sounding terminology in order to obfuscate its lack of genuine depth, it's just my natural writing style, which I admit can be overly-technical to some people, but that doesn't pertain to the actual prediction, so I consider it to be irrelevant.>meaningless qualifierThat's a little too technical for me, Jack, but seriously, I don't know what you mean, care to elaborate?>What problem is this suppose to solve?That things generally trend towards certain organizations, independent of scale?Generally, yes, it means that there's an underlying constant unifying seemingly unrelated systems. Regardless of that, the practical applications, rather than being able to develop a more sopisticated theoretical framework for the production of room-temperature superconductors, as opposed to more exhaustive trial and error, is the improvement or climate prediction models by providing a universal framework for cross-scale dynamics.There's more, but the list is pretty extensive and I'm kind of lazy at this moment in time, and feel like this explanation is sufficient for now.In essence, it implies a universal pattern that was previously unnoticed. I don't see how noticing what's basically a new law or physics wouldn't be scientifically beneficial.Decent response, though. Thanks.
>>16933111great question, im kinda at the limit of what ive tried to comprehend, but it seems to be a sort of natural balanced penta-ternary system that is structurally very similar to how ai model weights work, it also seems to be the same for why binary only works cause we arbitraily defined yes and no when we know graphs cannot be in two places at once, so the square waves never actually square, its just the easiest/ loosest tolerance way of running a logic gate when they inherently act like valves, not gates
>>16933140Interesting.So what is the most significant thing you've found going down your particular rabbit hole?
>>16933144probably that im pretty sure theres gonna be a financial collapse akin to 1929 next year if the pattern holds, its a bit of a streach and im probably going off the deep end with this but there seems to be a strange pattern that i noticed that seems to point towards 2027 for major symmetry breaking events, think global wealth transfer events along with faciliatory events, "1907, 1919, 1929, 1937, 1947, 1957, 1966, 1973, 1987, 2000, 2008, 2019, ?2027, ?2036, ?2044." not sure whats gonna happen but someones gonna profit heavily and i dont think itll be us, and someones gonna lose big, might be us, either way im not sure how much longer google can continue to grow before it pops but it feels like if its gonna, itll be next year. but thats kinda just my speculation, and im not sure how much i can trust myself on it so take it with a bigass grain of salt, but keep an eye out, markets not looking to hot right now and weve got some big players cutting some big corners.
>>16933158Hmm, that would suck, but I remember finding a book called "Fractal Market Analysis" that was pretty interesting, as it relates to the underlying mathematical structure of market dynamics, so that could help refine you're predictions.I only remember flipping through it briefly, so I can't tell you what all it contains, but I can recall that what I read was pretty interesting.
>>16933159sounds interesting, just going off the name it sounds a lot like what i already like to hobby research. ill definitely have to look it up, thanks anon,
>>16933162No problem.
>>16933059BRO you have NO TRAINING. Math PhDs and physics PhDs put in 10,000 hours of work to learn how "create" mathematical theories, and you're just winging it. Do you even know what "incomplete" means? You haven't even wrote down the axioms for your theory, so how could you possibly prove the theory is "fundamentally incomplete"?Not only that but you think the theory has a connection to consciousness, which is the biggest crackpot topic there is. If you want to see your idea through to fruition get a PhD in physics and do it yourself. No one else will do it for you.
>>16933166Meh, I'm burnt out on this thread. It's mostly just people claiming it's nonsense because of the AI component, to just stop responding when further clarification is provided, which isn't proper scrutiny.I could go on, but I don't really care about this thread anymore, and I'm tired of having it hog the front page, so I'm letting it die.Later.
>>16933178>clarificationI have a PhD in math and I have no idea what you've been trying to explain. You've just used a lot of words without giving any examples or clear explanation.Would you give some examples of computing G(s) and B(s)?
Define "scale".
>>16932678Sauce?
