German rocket launch - edition
Cancel SLS
>>16934452seriously? who gives a a shit about some nazi rocket?
unlimited lander works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIlTwwJv1Ac
Are they even increasing the NASA budget at all?Apollo was ~280$ billion adjusted. How much extra funding is NASA getting to do more than Apollo?
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they still need to do the nuclear, iss, and science presentations :skull:
>Phase 3>2033-2036>29 launches>28 landings>150 000 kg payload to surface
>the moon base presentation isnt over yetwtf
>>16934470beating euros at their own game
>>16934469There's significant cost down on launches now, so that's not too bad. But all that space qualified surface hardware. $$$!
28 day mission in 2033
this is just a scheme to keep all the academic bureaucrats in adult day care for another 10 years.
>elon presentation:>sfg is dead>nasa presentation:>sfg is ALIVE??
Someone give Elon his breakfast Naloxone. He needs to get in on this.
wow this is so lame. reminds me of boring uni lectures where you just zone out and skim the material later onGonna go out for a walk and fantasize about mars colonization instead
>>16934482elon doesnt want to put people into space anymore, just robots
summary of all 3 phases
>>16934482>spaceflight fans(autists) are immune to blatant investor bait and hype farmingWho coulda thunk
NASA has been developing some of this stuff alreadyI guess the missing ingredient is cheap mass to the surface of the moon
>>16934487So, how much of this is actually going to happen?
CLPS will expand massively>>16934493looking at what NASAs track record recently then probably not muchbut perhaps some of it will with pivoting from old space cost+ grift into these more direct commercial programmesSpaceX and BO are also bringing a lot of cheap new launch capability to the market which shouldn't be ignored, it will enable new things due to lower cost and higher cadence
your move, china
reddit is malding of course
>>16934499HLS. So sad.
Lunar rovers pivoting from "fully capable" vehicles into more incremental designs
Nice to see that something is actually happening with Artemis because before Jared it seemed that the only plan was landing the crew.
habitation
a fuckload of procurement happening right away
https://x.com/dpoddolphinpro/status/2036431170611691917
>>16934521a fucking can
>>16934529Son of Gateway to Mars. No one saw that coming.
>>16934529That's pretty exciting if they actually make it in 2028
>>16934503why? gateway and SLS stanning used as some kind of anti-elon counter signal or something?these plans involve a lot of companies, SpaceX would only be one of them
>>16934532that module is already done, its been in testing for awhile
>>16934529https://x.com/aerovironment/status/1948381861090042146https://www.avinc.com/resources/press-releases/view/av-reveals-skyfall-future-concept-next-gen-mars-helicopters-for-exploration-and-human-landing-preparation
>>16934529>Payload 3 2kg helicopters
>>16934536was the quadcopter even that useful?
>>16934539yes
>>16934529but how long will it take to get to mars?
>>16934538that's fucking impressive for NASA's standards. This way they are slowly transitioning from the old mindset of 1 single expensive payload to 'mass-producing' copies of the same thing, even if it's just 3 for now.
>>16934539As a tech demo yes. As a science instrument no because all it had a low rez camera.
https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2036461100661698990
Eric BergerI’ve been waiting literally decades for NASA to articulate a plan for a Moon base. Now Carlos Garcia-Galan is doing a masterful job of precisely this. Dozens of landings. Drones. RTGs. Rovers. Habitats. Excavators. This is incredible stuff. I'm literally crying right now.
they didn't explain Europe or Japan's role in the moon base. What's the base even called?
>>16934487only two landers for 2026 in Phase 1, probably the blue moon mark 1 and iSpace APEX 1.0>>16934525but three CLPS targeted for this year in the old planI guess the new proposals are targeting more CLPS and other stuff for 2027 and 2028 thenor are they not included in the Phase 1-3 or whatever
>>16934548its called fuck you china
>>16934548Donald Trump Moon Base. I am joking but there is a realistic chance that it will be named after Donald Trump.
>>16934459
>>16934548Moon Base Alpha (alternative name is “this shit will be cancelled by 2029)
>>16934432so SLS is getting axed after Artemis 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYH6W9iCs2E>Ignition: NASA's Plan for Science and Discovery more presentations coming in 1h
>>16934561pls no more. I'm m tired of winning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZNBfcQTvHw
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/2036448379618685121
>>16934558This. It's exactly the kind of loud announcement BS that always ends in a whimper.
>>16934563winning in the presentation making contest?
It would be amazing if even 1/8 of what was presented would become a reality. But >>16934569 Is probably correct.
EUS = DEADGateway = DEADSLS = DEAD (after Artemis 5)
So, if you thought on the biggest NASA news day since Apollo Elon might have a tweet or two -- no. His last tweet appears to be reposting AI video of Nazi airplanes.So that.
gaan status?
>>16934573We’ll name the Depot after the great Richard Shelby
Alabama river rock status?
>>16934577we
>>16934583Gently polished by lush river water.
Have an rfi or twelve;https://www.nasa.gov/ignition/
>>16934582
https://x.com/xDaily/status/2036420419607998529https://www.advanced-television.com/2026/03/24/forecast-spacex-tracking-to-20bn-revenue-in-2026/analyst estimate for SpaceX financials by 2026 end>Quilty forecasts $20 billion in revenues overall for Starlink ($14 billion in EBITDA) and $8.1 billion in pro forma free cashflow.
>>16934561starting
>>16934598That's nice:As of late 2025, Verizon is the largest U.S. mobile service provider by subscriber count (roughly 146.9 million
ISS was a huge logistical feat in its day. I won’t downplay that. But it’s old as hell, and one or two Starships with custom life support and external experiment hardpoints basically mogs 20-years of ISS in terms of size and usable pressurized volume
commercial stations are too expensive
>>16934607But that being said they are right that it’s a huge pain in the ass to run a station logistically and keep humans safe long-term and do all the station keeping necessities. It’s one thing to put a station module up, it’s another thing to keep it running for years.NASA wants to be as hands-off as possible, but that’s not really possible with non-existent commercial players
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2036490365520564225
Blackpill: the press conference :/At least they’re being honest. Just fucking put Gateway in LEO man
alternate approach that I guess requires more funding to actually have multiple providers (now only funding for one)
>>16934611He doesn’t give a shit, Muskee has moved on from caring about space [math]\unicode{x1F62D}[/math]
B-but Jeff said orbital reef is still for sure seriously happening!
commercial modules owned and operated by private companies
PAM = Private Astronaut Missioncommander seat will be sold as well which wasn't allowed previously I guess
2 providers initially, 4 providers overallavailable budget is 250m currently, this is not enoughNASA is basically asking industry to pay for some of this themselves
>>16934617might still happen if bezos is willing to pay for most of it himself
>>16934619>>16934620Not a bad idea but NASA is going to want to minimize the power / thermal / life support here. In a perfect world it would operate with minimal power and life support and all commercial modules that come in and dock would supplement their own extra power, thermal management, and life support.But me thinks that any commercial company here is just going to want to do a tin can. Yeah they might be able to do solar panels for extra power, but thermal management is going to be annoying for them—and forget about life support, they’re all going to want to just hog the NASA core life support. That’s so much added cost and complexity and risk for them. It’s easiest to just build a shit tincan and get some sort of NASA or government bucks just for showing up (because, surprise, there isn’t going to be some sort of magical emergent LEO market where they can make money. Tourism and dinky private experiments aren’t going to cover costs)
>>16934611Someone found Elon's Naloxone kit.
>>16934482The shit being posted is a little more realistic.
>>16934469Wait kek this is deadass just a Moonbase Alpha screenshot haha
lol
>>16934632Surely they must have known
Member when Jared said NASA was going to find a way to generate money
>rely on commercial space "economy" for everything>oops none of this is profitable>die
>>16934635Dragon / Falcon 9 was the huge, huge exception. Not the rule. I think failures like Dreamchaser and Shitliner are more of the par for how the whole “fostering a commercial market!” thing works
>>16934635That's why government research is valued to some extent: stuff that probably has commercial value and national capabilities value needs to be jump-started before it can carry on on its own; most companies can't justify this level of ongoing expenditure with nebulous expectations of any kind of returns.
>>16934627if NASA doesn't get a lot of more funding specifically for this from congress or some big companies don't start throwing a lot of money towards this hoping some self sustaining market happens eventually, its looking pretty bleakI don't think Vast and Axiom have the cashthe oldspace companies won't just throw money on it if they don't get cash upfront bezos with BO might do a station just for the prestige (at least in the short term), like they are doing with the lander with much of the funding coming from the company itselfSpaceX private station? I don't really see it, Musk doesn't seem interested in doing random shit like this if there isn't a clear path to commercializationa big part of Starship HLS funding coming from SpaceX themselves is basically due to them creating Starship anyway which has other clear near term commercial drivers (starlink)
>>16934632lmao
>>16934638Any station, even if it’s just a core module, is going to get HELLA support from Ted Cruz if they attach Houston / JSC Mission Control jobs to it.Cruz was hesitant to let Gateway go to the wayside as it is now but the political deal made was that Gateway is only partially-manned throughout the year, but a Lunar Base would still keep those JSC jobs online and in fact increase their necessity to full-time.
New Flagship mission(s)?
science
A woman is speaking, listen and learn.
Will we soon hear about Hubble?
>Roman was the first on-time and under-budget mission NASA has been involved with in like 30 years>Congress wanted to kill it
Okay we get it, we all know these things. Preaching to the choir
Rosiland-Franklin is an awesome cutting edge mission for circa 2004! Thanks ESA
wasn't ignite supposed to be about new things, the fuck
Why we need to learn about radiation? /sfg/ said you just need some soil?????
>Okay now prepare a speech just wasting time and talking about the last twenty years
Ignite? More like Good Night
what the fuck seriously
This shaking text that suddenly stops shaking and then shakes again is driving me crazy.
With Biden there would be new science missions. Say thank you to Felon Husk.
I regret my vote honestly
>>16934662I'd rather have a moonbase than new missionsscience has to pivot to spamming cheap probes and using more commercial partners
fifth CLPS contract
>Another intuitive machines contract, yet againSo you just keep getting CLPS contracts for never launching/failing?Who wants to go start a nuspace company with me
>>16934489holy shit I detect a cute girl inside that suit
CLPS has been the gayest program ever
>>16934666Moon science isn't cheap because as in all things government, cost expands toward willingness to pay.
We would have seen a lunar drone already jumping into permanently shadowed crater already if IM didn’t fail to land.
An hour ago they were lamenting the fact that the commercial market never took off.Now they’re pretending like there are abundant payloads just waiting to launch?Make it make sense
>>16934546no dont cry erica
>>16934675different marketsself-sustaining LEO market vs NASA buying different cheap services commercially (instead of using cost+ contracts to create a lander or rover or whatever)
BTW S05 starts Friday. Mandatory /sfg/ viewing.
Oh my gosh please stabilize your presentation input for the love of God
>>16934680not watching your goyslop
>>16934611This guy is a fucking retard
>>16934672Firefly Blue Ghost is great and took the best footage from the lunar surface ever taken.
>>16934679I can imagine a basedjak behind that mirrored visor.
Death to all cubesats we need to move on as a civilization from this
>>16934680i'll watch it but dont expect anything different from the S04 communism-on-mars plot, boring flaccid characters (that are ugly), and nothing happening in space ever.
Spaceguy5 retweeted Half-Beard the Space Pirate3hThe best way to run a space program is to cripple it in every possible way and change it up right as things were starting to get going.Oh, he's SO mad right now.
this academic admin gobbledygook is very boring
The best space tv show is EUREKA, they send a robot to Titan.
>>16934691basedfuck old space
>>16934686I know I considered that before posting. It’s the exception here not the rule
>>16934690This season we get missions to the outer planets. Hop in, we're headed to Callisto.
>>16934668>>16934669https://x.com/dpoddolphinpro/status/2036509090927759759
>>16934691>right as things were starting to get goingLmfao
commercially operated microwave radiometer concepts
>>16934696theres hope for some good stuff i guess. will just try to ignore the rainbow spectrum of woke intersectionally perfect crew members as they claim distant worlds for socialism.
>>16934698Were there even any plans apart from landing? Feels like no one had any idea what was happening with gateway either.
Planetary defence is not science.
>>16934705Ehhh yeah it is, NASA has wanted this for a long time. I think it’s important to be looking for potential large impactors
>>16934702no it was a sad joke.
RIF as "science as a service"
>2800 viewers
>>16934706NASA has done studies on what would happen today if an asteroid was found that was gonna hit Earth and they discovered that we'd end up getting hit because nobody could actually get their shit together.
>>16934638Starship in itself is big enough to be considered a space station.
>>16934716sure but will SpaceX be willing to operate it as a space station mostly on their own dime? I don't think so
https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2036515895204520278
https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2036516424043339870
>>16934720No life detecting instruments. Sending it to dunes as far away as possible from the seas, lakes and rivers with the greatest potential for life.
>>16934721just yolo it into the ocean
>>16934716If Starship is sitting on Earth it's not a space station in any fashion.
I hope the next one is the last one for today
>>16934723NASA deliberately didn't pick the cheaper, easier sea probe and went with the most expensive flying nuclear powered alternative.
continuing with Mars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYH6W9iCs2E
>>16934730>using the american flag instead of an earth flagyikes
Delivering 6 kg of helicopters to Mars is the mission pull.
>>16934738(much) better than doing nothing forever
>>16934739>Nuclear>Uses solar panels
>>16934730Flag doesn't have a 51st star for Greenland.Someone getting a tweet for that.
SR-1 is a pathfinder
>>16934744>mid-air deploymentwhew
the goal is to have commercially built systems eventually
NEP is such garbage bro.You want nuclear thermal and preferably pulsed TRIGA style.What the hell are you gaining by this as opposed to putting 25 kw of IROSA on this?Absolutely nothing, the nuclear option is certainly gonna be heavier
>>16934750>Human missions to MarsFelon Husk is seething.
>>16934751Nuclear thermal is no better than hydrolox. Nuclear electric actually is better.
timeline
>>16934741Aren't they worried about running into one of Elon's manned Starship missions then.Oh, yeah.
>>16934751the point is to test NEP, thats the whole fucking point
Jared wrapping up before a press QA
>>16934754No. Look into pulsed nuclear thermal. You can get around all the material and max temperature constraints that way.Super high performance possible.>Nuclear electric actually is better.Worse than just solar panels lol. So unserious
>>16934752Not seen in this picture: Advanced Sterling Power Converter. Because NASA murdered that and threw away the plans.
>>16934760Buy down the risk and we can talk about it again. Super advanced technology to make it work isn't going to fit in the time and budget schedule here.
It’s over.
>>16934760>Worse than just solar panels lol. So unseriousAlso wrong. Nuclear becomes irrefutably better at Jupiter and mandatory beyond that.
>>16934747If you're wondering -- Grok:A 20 kW (20,000-watt) solar system typically requires 1,000 to 1,700+ square feet of space. That's at 1 AU. Adjust to the average flight path distance from Sun.
>musk is still silent on twitter
https://x.com/NASA/status/2036526244418691147
>>16934769We have solar at Jupiter so no. The ease and lower cost wins. Further, look at some of the proposed solar Uranus and Neptune probes.
lol incentive flights
>>16934773That's what investment in capabilities is for: the technology maturation is being done to make nuclear power affordable. It doesn't have to be expensive.
>>16934771Overdose!
>Next slide>Next slide>Next slide
recap
>>16934770aka one single irosa. kys ai grok cuck.worst poster in the thread.
Today is a good day. spaceflight is healing.
>>16934779Now how much of that will actually happen?
>>16934776Oh, it's not price competive NOW but....Thanks. Changed my mind. We'll keep our old Dodge.
>>16934783Why are you such a salty bitch about good ideas lol
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/2036523337254363152https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/03/nasa-kills-lunar-space-station-to-focus-on-ambitious-moon-base/>“For too long we tried to satisfy every stakeholder, and the results of that are very well documented in Office of the Inspector General reports,” he said. “Billions of dollars wasted. Years lost. Hardware that never launched. Fewer flagship science missions. And fewer astronauts in space, which means fewer kids dressing up as astronauts for Halloween. I don’t like it. The president doesn’t like it. The American people have waited long enough.”>Isaacman spoke inside the Webb Auditorium at NASA’s Headquarters in Washington, DC. In the audience were about 160 officials from industry, politicians, and leaders of foreign space agencies. They will participate in “closed door” briefings on Wednesday to get more details about contract opportunities with the new plans.>With the Ignition event on Tuesday, Isaacman brought this much-needed focus to the space agency. For a long time reporters have joked that NASA stands for “Never A Straight Answer” because it wasn’t quite clear where NASA was going, or why it was doing some of the things it was doing. Now there is a clear plan for people like Garcia-Galan to go and execute.>“It’s very clear that we need to be focused on one thing, not 10 things,” he said. “So for me, this is a game-changer. It’s quite incredible.”
>>16934780Multibillion reactor or millions tier solar aray. When spending my tax dollars, take the affordable option.
>>16934787this is about research and development, not what is the cheapest possible optionthe cheapest possible option would be to just close down NASA
>>16934786Language
https://x.com/zebulgar/status/2036497851329434031founder of Varda space (drugs in space)
Road delay. Ship static fire?
>>16934792https://x.com/zebulgar/status/2036478546852327543>15-yr old Del's dream come true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63sLbW_IMoAhttps://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7955/24h until spectrum launch
>>16934781Don’t forget cute little pathfinder!
>>16934798I love that lil guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZea4h8zxLYnews conference in 40min
>>16934749Badass and sickhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ykPIqgPTJE
>>16934792>>16934794known faggot and his nuspace vc slop company hasn't made one dollar since its inception.
Mr Jared, please bring back manned HAVOC. The real Skyfall is airdropping a manned airship with an SRB return rocket into the Venus atmosphere
>>16934804it was founded 5 years ago and still doing R&D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
>>16934731>nuclear space missions back on the tableis this finally VASIMR's time to shine?
>>16934767Jared listened. And that's what no one ever did.
Solar sails are the future.
>>16934812Plasma Magnet with dynamic soaring
>>16934788What research? All these technologies are well established, some for nearly a century.
>>16934767What part of the procurement/contracting process is the biggest complaint? Like, the procurement/contracting process itself, or contractors performing poorly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u51opR1akTAJAXA hopper
>>16934814yet never flown after 20bil of R&Dthis is a demo mission after which comes additional developmenttrying to do some super complicated thing is why nothing ever gets accomplished
>>16934732Never gonna happen. We gotta give more missiles and bomb to israel.
>>16934817Someone should go kidnap her.
>>16934818We didn't think it worked after $20 billion, but just a few billion more...Yes, government. No, let's not.
Wait so I guess RIP Dragon XL
https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/2036537099751481817>Yesterday, Russia launched the first batch of 16 Rassvet satellites from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome. This marks the beginning of the deployment of their satellite internet constellation, a OneWeb/Starlink analogue, developed by Bureau 1440.
>>16934822no they got cancelled due to being too expensive, delayed and having no simple clear mission >>16934736>>16934737trying to explain "trust me bro it works, this is 100 year old science" doesn't work with politicians, they are retardedon the other hand if the missions are quick and relatively simple, its easy to show that as an accomplishment and actually achieve something before another admin comes in and changes things
https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/2036316858110841337>Bureau 1440 shows footage of separation of 16 Rassvet satellites from Soyuz's third stage
>>16934822I mean look at this >>16934736, 12 attempted flight programmesand you want to create some completely untested programme yet again >>16934751 which would undoubtedly become attempted flight programme number 13, going over budget and delayed before getting cancelled
https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/2036317338807435278>Soyuz's third stage and 16 Rassvet satellites flying over Alaska>>16934817We've got venting. Vehicle must be tanked up
>>16934800starting now
>>16934767and naturally its never the NASA employees themselves hmmm
>>16934843oh boy, here we go
>are you going to need to cut programmes?>Jared: No
>tfw no actually good space journo gf
>>16934846That’s a man
Okay so that sounds like a confirmation that SLS is getting the boot and that if someone wants to bid a commercial OmegA or whatever, they can.Never thought I’d hear NASA say this. They don’t seem happy with what they’re calling “legacy architecture”
>foust: support from congress?>jared: extensive conversations with senate leadership, president, contractors. Ted Cruz supports this
>>16934868The plan going forward after Artemis 2 is to have SLS flying at a 10 month launch cadence. That's about as good as you're going to get out of it without a very significant investment in expanding production. To get to the 6 month cadence that Jared wants for lunar crew rotations you either need to spend as much on Boeing's factory as you are on a whole phase of moonbase construction or put our a commercial bid for someone to do it cheaper.
>Jared: Gateway was a dumpster fire, it was easy to cancel
>>16934875or I mean "paused and repurposed"
https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/2036551549590122706>The goal is not just to reach the Moon, but to stay.
>it's still goingholy fuck, Jared. I've only just finished the first livestream.
NASA commercial core module with POCKOCMOC docking module :)
Carlos the Lunar Viceroy
>>16934888I hope Rosatom bids on the nuclear surface power requisition.
>>16934632
So the PPE went from Asteroid Redirect -> Gateway -> SR-1 FreedomMan, this engine really does move!
longest stream ever? excluding tankwatching
BLACKNVKE it's just not profitable to put humans up in Space besides the pure novelty of it. No crops to yield, no ores to mine, space is just not profitable besides satellite business models.Sorry!
I love when stupid fucking retarded journos type out a question on their phone and even though someone else has already asked it five fucking times they still ask the question anyways. Real good work
>>16934902>implying they give a shit about any of this
https://x.com/BloombergTV/status/2036526585323331904
>>16934551>>16934548It will be called the Newt Gingrich Moonbase
They smoking fish in that Japanese thingie or what?
https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/1s2fq4k/nasa_to_spend_20_billion_on_moon_base_cancel/
https://x.com/vast/status/2036562446736101854
https://x.com/tbpn/status/2036564308411465920
>>16934544it wasn't used as a science instrument, but it could relay data back to the rover for navigation, allowing perseverance to operate autonomously while JPL was asleep or on vacation.
https://x.com/davidsenra/status/2036442923559165991
>>16934920Not spaceflight.
>le moon base!List 10 key technologies for the moon base and their TRLs and I will correct your mistakes
>>16934922the complete plan is for 10 yearsphase 1 is until until 2028
>>16934922No.
>>16934817Scrub due to ground umbilical issues
>>16934618>>16934619No one mentioning Axiomstation? NASA already has paid for Axiom to do the exact same thing as these "new plans". Apparently in Dec 2024 Axiom announced it would only briefly attach the power module to the ISS and then once the hab module has docked to that detach the whole thing. so maybe they plan to do both?It also seems like NASA is throwing their commercial LEO destinations partners under the bus, Starlab and Orbital Reef. I imagine they will go ahead anyway
>>16934922moon bear repellant
>>16934653hey it was supposed to have launched in 2020. Blame the eurocrats who didn't want to touch a russian rocket for political reasons.
>>16934648>Roman was the first on-time and under-budget mission NASA has been involved with in like 30 yearsThat is complete bullshit. WFIRST/Roman was so over budget that it went through an external review. They ended up dropping features to save money. And it still ended much more expensive than estimated back in 2017. More than double the 2013 estimate, if you ignore the early estimates before it adopted the larger mirror. https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/wietr_final_report_101917.pdf?emrc=c3e5c1Also, it was the previous Trump admin that tried to cancel it.
>>16934922Moon Base? Based on what?
>sora is deadbullish for grok/xai/spacex
https://x.com/sparkyinfinity/status/2036578211706949719
should I convert over to a civil servant role? I might make a longer career out of working at a nasa center than I thought. I like these developments.
>>16934947do you like the work?
>>16934949now I do. I actually see a light at the end of a bureaucratic tunnel.
>>16934846thought that was thunderf00t for a brief moment
>>16934942gatewars?
>/sfg/ is happy they are being sold a moon base instead of a mars colony
>>16934942>gateway to..robotic industrial centers on the moon!
>>16934953With AI satellites. I can't wait for grok 6.9 epic lol ftw!
>>16934953better a Moon base than a railgun
we live in an aeiou age
>>16934953Honestly I have always thought it made sense.The mars window opens only every two years, in the meantime the moon is a perfect playground.
>>16934953Where have you been? /sfg/ is by and large pretty fucking pissed off about this and has turned to lambasting Elon Musk for pivoting
>>16934953yes.
>esefgee is one person
how are we going to get to the moon if we can't properly switch slides
>2 HLS landers.>A Moonbase.>A new ISS module.>Nuclear electric missions.>Keep SLS and Orion.>More CLIPS flights with no payloads. But can they actually pass a budget to do all of this?
>>16934965Sorry pal, but our greatest ally needs that money now more than ever.
>>16934965also ROOOVERRRRSSSS
>>16934963within an order of magnitude, that is actually accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv6RbEOlqRo
>>16934961nah
>>16934969https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzKWbpSNkmk
>>16934933>>16934720Don't worry Euros, Jarred is going to take your rover to Mars for you. All he needs to do is build a huge nuclear electric spacecraft. Which he says he can do by 2028. I'm sure there is no possible way that ESA's rover will be delayed further. I mean, yes you could use Falcon 9, and save money money not paying for more delays. But where is the fun in that?
>>16934975SR-1 is not going to take rovers
why not just giving the money directly to mr musk for building that nuclear-electric spacecraft?
>>16934977SpaceX has no experience with nuclear stuff
https://x.com/teslaboomermama/status/2036600344655110588
>>16934786Holy shit! My parents are dead, so I can swear! I can do whatever I want! Haha I love it!
>“It’s very clear that we need to be focused on one thing, not 10 things">adds 10 more things NASA has to be focused on
>>16934792Hmmm... Casey is there too
>>16934631JOHN MADDEN!!!
don't we have like zero enriched fissile material left for RTGs?
>>16934610>>16934627But it's at risk of greatly extending the ISS as burden on NASA's finances. The new module will take years to launch, and for years after the ISS will have to be extended. It seems like it cannot become a new station without the extra "commercial" modules. If they don't happen, then what?
>>16934989The US is investing like $4 bil in domestic enrichment. I think we used to just ask russia for it because we wanted to close le mines here on US soil because we are run by gay faggot jews but for obvious reasons that is no longer politically viable
>>16934989RTGs don't use fission, the Plutonium-238 undergoes alpha decay. Real fission reactors mostly use Uranium-235, which doesn't need to be made in a reactor. It's can be extracted from natural ores.
>>16934995oh. do we have any 238 then?
>>16934985America now leads the world in powerpoint missions.
https://x.com/tbpn/status/2036609673210827202
>>16934999>$1-2 trillion SpaceX IPO>2 trillionevery time I read about this IPO the valuation gets higher
>>16934974>>16934969https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIxowl5YuaQ
Mars delenda estLunar war NOW
can we have automatic post-to-DECtalk (the moonbase alpha TTS) for Artemis 2 please mods?
>>16935009speaking of, what happened to the demigod war anon
>>16934680I shant be watching
>>16934953I wasn't expecting NASA to go for a Mars base anytime soon and Moonbase Alpha has always been the far superior choice over Gateway. Musk's pivot is and remains retarded.
>>16934832>comic sans>freedomheitdo Americans really?
>>16935017Don’t be so jelly. It’s not a good look and nobody likes having to be sent to jelly school
>>16934822NTP go canned because Nixon wanted to stop spending money on space not because it didn't work
now that russia has their own starlink, how will ukraine and the space force defeat it?
>>16934920Holy based, we could use this book to build SpaceX 2
>sora is deadso that means the ai bubble peaked? that means fewer data centers, which means data centers in space wont make economic sense soon. checkmate, elon.
>>16935043anyone have a technical analysis of it anyway? I assume because Russia they are absolutely blasting RF beyond ITU limits.
the first 30 min here is BRUTAL towards the newspace companies trying to make dinky stations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYH6W9iCs2E
what the actual fuck are these projected timescales, there is no way the fucking human landers will be ready for a trial launch until 2030, maybe a human landing on 2034, why do they insult themselves with this shit?
>>16935060because of the presidential election in 28.JFK had the right idea, die and get outta the way
dude Salyut lmao
>>16935061not just that, but also because of china's moon ambitions
>>16935062nasa is building another LEO module? i fell asleep during the lunch break.
>>16935055No, Sora was out matched by other models eg Sneedance
>>16935070>>16935059
>>16935072yeah but seedance is only available to chinese
>Commercial LEO destionations looks like its on thin ice. Commercial demand isn't appearing like it was expected.>Looking at possible alternative proposal with a hybrid commercial-government station with a government "core" and commercial modules.idk if there should be a core government module, but it could work. cities and towns on earth have their own government facilities, so why not space stations? if not a core module, then i think nasa should consider a dedicated LEO science module. you cant expect commercial companies to emphasize research.
>>16935037No. Cancelled because the fooking NTP rockets kept exploding and raining radioactive debris over Saugus. The technolgy was a dead end.Solid core Nukes are an affront to God and Science.
"cost to put people in LEO is increasing, not decreasing" grim
>>16934995Grok, is the lady right?Silly girl! Natural Occurrence & Abundance: Found naturally in rocks, soil, and water, 99.3% of natural uranium is U238, while only ~0.72% is the needed U235.Hence elaborate and expensive methods are needed to get useable concentration. Breeding and processing is significantly more efficient.
>>16935062wait is that gateway's HALO module?
>>16934982IPO before Flight 12. Told ya.
>>16935082nvm it looks too different, though maybe they are anticipating a redesign
>>16935084flight 12 is april, that post says ipo is june
>>16935088Flight 12 is April! It just is okay!Oh, summer child.
>Roman was the first on-time and under-budget mission NASA has been involved with in like 30 yearsWhy do people just lie?
Eric Berger 11hHoly shit, we’re finally building a Moon base!Literally that The Onion front page.
>>16935091meh, the moon base plan is all over the place. its a mess, and with how quickly gateway died, we can only expect the moon base to be killed off within the next 10 years too.
>>16935079I have a design for a fission-fusion torch drive but no money to further develop it or take out a patentwhat do?
>>16935090Lol the administration tried to cancel it ever year for over a decade
FTS explosives have arrived at Starbase
>>16935113we are exploDAAN
>>16934720Search of signs of life on fucking Titan?Also, all these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no landing there
Elon is putting terawatt AI data centers staffed entirely by humanoid robots on the moon next year and NASA... is landing tin cans on it. Again.
>>16935142elon is putting a hundred million tons to orbit at $10/kg next year yet NASA can only send three rc helicopters to mars in a powerpoint presentation...
>>16934503Link? I wanna salt mine.
Is it time to explore the gas gun as a way to deliver propellent for Starship?
>>16934760The point is to break the nuclear power in space taboo. We can talk about spicy pulsed NTRs once the plebs are accustomed to it.
>>16934953The intelligent part of /sfg/ are O’Neillpilled spinchads. Only wellniggers are sad about these developments ;)
>>16934763>>16935155Yeah you're right I hadn't watched the whole presentation.I agree now this is the best first step.
was gateway going to happen if it didnt get canceled? or was it doomed regardless?
>>16935166Its existence would have doomed both HLSes to failure by requiring NRHO.
>>16935158basically this. Moon is better for us spinGODS, there's nothing valuable on Mars.
>>16935160there was a question from a journalist during the QA asking how realistic is it they can do this demo missionso clearly even something as minimal of a demonstration as this isn't obvious to people not familiar with it
>>16935169is there video footage of them training on the pool moon? because i can't seem to find any
>>16935168I wouldn’t say there’s nothing there, it does have metals, volatiles, atmosphere thick enough for aerobraking, gravity well low enough to leave fairly easily. But it’s months away with long periods between synodic windows which makes everything difficult
if we cover the surface of the moon with water we can solve the radiation issue
>>16935179and drown the moon bears?`
>>16935172i really want to see them training on the pool moon. i paid for it with my taxdollars, too.
>>16935181drown everythingimagine the caustic effects visible on earth during a full moon
>>16935155If I do something stupid, the taboo on doing stupid things will be broken! Success!Doesn't make them in any way less stupid.
>>16935178Solved problem. Nuclear powered magnetic bubble at Earth Sun L1, a surprisingly small one at that, Earth Moon system protected. You can even put an atmosphere and surface ecosystem on the Moon if you want.
>>16935191someone should have told this to your parents before they gave birth to you
i tried to watch the second part but the angry nasa woman and the sloppy pdf work turned me off
>>16935196sloppy powerpoint*
>>16935193have they put a satellite into orbit that produces a strong magnetic field to divert particles yet?
>>16935200That's not the hard part. The challenge is station keeping, L1 location trade space. There's a paper from last yearish. Google that up.
The Burger goes all "New Shiny! Pretty pretty!"
>>16935201i'm more interested in practical proof rather than theoretical papersif it's not hard, do it. it's been almost 100 years since the first photograph of space and all we have is papers and bullshit excuses
>>16935070The gist of what you missed was:NASA basically said ugh yeah this commercial market isn’t successful like we projected it to be. We no longer think the answer to post-ISS is buying astronaut slots on someone else’s Station. We think the best way to do it, now, is for us to build a NASA core module with limited power and life support that will attach to ISS, other commercial companies can then buy modules to attach to our NASA core module, and eventually we will all detach from ISS and just be our own new station.I think as it stands rn they are saying that they are “doing” this new core module but they just came up with the idea like 10 mins ago. Jared has been hopping around each major NASA facility telling them this is the plan, making sure they are ready to work on it. He claims he can get funding for it and that people like Ted Cruz are prepared to get Congress to fund the idea and keep it alive.>>16935082>>16935085Nah HALO is just a dinky expanded Cygnus. They will need something a little more custom with a life support suite and power/thermal mgmt. They will either ask Northrop Grumman for yet another expanded cygnus or maybe they’ll ask ESA for some sort of unholy expanded ATV/Orion Service Module
>>16935202>The Burger goes all "New Shiny! Pretty pretty!"Gotta be a 63 yr old boomer to post like this. Take it to the NSF forums.
>>16935202Kind of strange behavior from Berger here. He’s drooling over this, and I get it. But he’s confused as to why people are so skeptical when literally the last 30 years has just been announcements of grandiose ideas followed by walkbacks and cancellations and cost overruns and timeline can kicking.Berger is too bullish on Jared magically fixing three decades of problems before the next Presidential election (which btw is coming up quickly kek)
>>16935206berger has insider info, so he may have reason to be excited while the rest of us will be skeptical
>>16935206Congress is the gate. Dems take over next year and that's the end of this. If not sooner.
>>16935181at least the moon whales will finally be happy
>>16935208the Dems know China is on its way to the moon
>>16935210Oh no! China might land the 15th and 16th people on the Moon before we do! That's worth increasing the NASA budget by $20 billion per year. Maybe more.The Dems don't care. The Repubs don't care. Trump doesn't care.
>>16935213there's no budget increase though
>>16935215It's free!Oh okay. Thought Izzy was being unrealistic. But if it's free we're gtg.
Does killing NRHO really speed up HLS timelines? I guess you would need a couple less refuel flights, but if the depot is topped off that won't matter. Would be nice if we actually knew what changes to Blue and SpaceX landers were actually proposed
>>16935213>That's worth increasing the NASA budget by $20 billion per year.it's always worth increasing it. Literally no better use for money than dumping it into overbudget space projects.>b-buh muh economy!don't care. Total Earther Bankruptcy.
>>16935222That change relaxes one constraint on the lander. Less prop to return to Orion, which means less prop needs to be landed, which means...and so on.The tradeoff is it requires more for Orion, but the plan is Centaur V helps there.
>>16935210but do they care, is the question
mELtdOwNHahahahahahahahahahahaha AHHHHAHHHAHhahhahahahah
>>16935222Speed up timelines? No. I just see it as something neither SX or BO were wanting to do. All this did was alleviate some of their complainants and concerns. Not like either of them suddenly can how reduce complexity on the lender or magically get months ahead of schedule because of this
>>16935202berger is correct, what is your counter argument exactly?
>>16935210they don't care if anything it seems like they would prefer it that way
>>16935217its not free, its reallocating current resources
>>16935222NRHO was retarded so even if it doesn't speed things up getting rid of it was a good thing.
>>16935222it reduces the number of tanker flights I guess?which could speed it up somewhat
https://x.com/MollySOShea/status/2036801529244516445
>>16935253shoot these faggots to space so they don't ever come back
>>16935253I'm not the only one that thinks all this optimus robots building stuff on the moon and mars is bullshit right? It's not like they can control them with thirdies wearing vr headsets like they do on earth.
2-3 months and there are going to be a lot of rich ex and current SpaceX people, I wonder if it will create a mini-exodus (perhaps to startups)
>>16935213We need new parties, and the old ones have to be disbanded. Only Space matters.
>>16935257What's the employee turnover/dissatisfaction like at SpaceX. If it's pretty bad I could see a lot of people leaving to start their own companies if they get a big windfall from SpaceX going public.
>>16935253https://x.com/MollySOShea/status/2036811904388345966>elon is still underrated
https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2036796541176832433
What are you saars saying to cope with the fact that the Mars dream is gone and SpaceX will ditch interplanetary colonization entirely for AI slop datacenters? Or is /sfg/ finally usable again
>>16935263If we use starship to launch enough of grok into orbit then it will solve all the problems with starship.
>>16935262>I heard that>I hear everything
>mars city is dead>nasa moon base is fantasy>spacex moon base will be exclusively for robots only:|
>>16935253she's clearly leveraging her hair into a journalistic weapon of mass destruction here
1693526316935266(you) need a new bit
>>16934982How big of an impact do you think the IPO will be to SpaceX people? So many people can now easily take the bag and fuck off.
>>16935268First time posting here in a half year. Also seems like /sfg/ STILL isnt ready to discuss reality other than this >>16935266 guy. Have fun defending compromised jewish assets since we all know youre that guy who was outed as being from /ptg/ you stupid GOY.
>>16935172i REALLY want to see the damn footage guys
R E M E M B E R
>>16935172>>16935271https://images.nasa.gov/details/jsc2026m000052_Artemis_Lunar_Spacesuit_Testing_Resource_Reel_March_2026_260324
>>16935272Looked better in person
>>16935272Guess what turned out to be harder than catching a super heavy lift rocket booster stage?Getting the second stage to orbit.
>>16935274I wouldn't know, I've never gone outside before>>16935275>GuessNo
>>16935275you are extremely retardedor you are really committed to the bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2OvZFiVmuM
>>16935282i thought it was $30B? $3 billion per year, every year, for 10 years, from 2026 to 2036.
>>16935269SpaceX will lose the OG. They're off with their millions to start their own billion dollar scams.
Happening! Starship will do an orbital flight in April!
>>16935261Grok, are you surprised Sequoin is pimping SpaceX?Uh -- no. Sequoia Capital is a major investor in SpaceX, having first invested in 2019 and participating in subsequent funding rounds, including leading a 2021 round. As of 2026, Sequoia partner Shaun Maguire reported roughly $1.2 billion invested
>>169352882 weeks
>>16935258Son, let me tell you about the sad story of the Technocrat Party..
>>16935255Moon is close enough to remote access and teleoperate. Mars would require functional autonomy and we not there yet.
>>16935286maybe its 20b new money assuming Phase 1 is already paid for
>>16935289in the first video it starts by Maguire talking about the investment into SpaceX
>>16935248Grok, is she correct? They can just relocate resources?No. She's a dizzy dame!: NASA projects managed internally (like SLS) can have higher overhead (~72%) compared to contracting projects out to private partners (~14%). So, all the money already is spent on useless NASA employees getting bottom surgery?Yes.
>>16935288>2023
>>16934556This was in such bad taste
A fun comment on the Izzy nuclear space battle cruiser to Mares;NSF: It really is a demonstrator. The need for it is to save face by finding something useful for PPE to do. The performance is going to suck, but since there ISN’T a science pull (the solar arrays already on PPE provide about as much power even at Mars), the low performance (2-10We/kg?) kind of doesn’t matter.The solar panels do the work while the billion dollar nuke rides shotgun. Ouch.
>>16935307especially since the V2 is a venerable american sounding rocket that any space project should be proud to be associated with.
>>16935272>this was three years agoAnd we're still no closer to orbitalSmd
>>16935308jared said its to test the nuke out so they can use a second iteration for power on the moon
>>16935320Izzy nuke obsession adds nothing. The mission, delivering a brace of whirlybirds, can be performed by any medium class launch vehicle. Muh data. Muh interaction.The reactor is on its way to Mars, so data is limited by telemetry and you can't examine the hardware. Leave it on Earth, run, then rev if you must have this toy.
Comrades we are so back:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh-8EUCJHx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63sLbW_IMoAstream starting soon
>>16935338https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TPCqepGoEk
>>16935330>its not about starbaseFALSE ADVERTISING
>>16935338live
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/2036585309605941443
1h
>>16935349it’s going to make it most of the way through ascent and lose contact with the ground
>>16935323>Izzy nuke obsession adds nothingDeveloping in space nuclear power sources is quite significant.
>>16935196Are you talking about mommy dana? watch your fucking mouth
>>16935202Berger is right though.
>>16935355Not in the era of cheap solar arrays.
>>16935360Burger has a man crush on Izzy.
>>16935353Why is NSF dude even there?
>>16935272its was beautiful
>>16935307i disagree
Oh shit, I just remembered about Isar Spectrum Flight 2. 15 minutes to go.
EUROPE IS BACK
>>16935355The best part is no part. Now, attach a nuclear reactor that contributes nothing to the mission.
>>16935272https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ0DlthTZLI
>>16935222>Does killing NRHO really speed up HLS timelines? The NRHO requirement was retarded self liking ice cream cone for SLS and Gateway.
>T-25It's over.
>>16935307It basically killed the comic too, the artist couldn't help but out himself as a deranged leftist.
>>16935370The purpose of the mission is to demonstrate the reactor.
It's over...
DELAY BECAUSE OF BOATS
WHY IS THERE A FUCKING BOAT THERE
>boat
>launch from the remote north of Scandinavia>STILL get mogged by wayward boatsTotalMarinerDeath
GET THE FUCK OUT
range violationlet them fish in peaces bro
14 bings
Chances of making it past the mountain?
>>16935384details
>>16935375There are no planned NASA missions requiring nuclear electric propulsion. None.
When the fuck did Germany get a falcon 9
clear doko? ;_;
>>16935386range clear
clear is pregnant
>>16935392https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msoOxtnzKfg
>>16935390More like Falcon 0.5
scheisse
HOLD AT T MINUS 3ARE YOU SHITTING ME
>>16935393and Hold
its over
space is hard
>>16935387You are discussing a NASA mission that will use a nuclear reactor.
>>16935403There is no requirement for a nuclear reactor to send three itsy helicopters to Mars. Izzy tacked on on because he has a weird boner for nukes.
>>16935406The purpose of the mission is to demonstrate in space nuclear power.>b-b-but PPE has solar panels!Irrelevant, PPE is being used because it already exists and the reactor will be able to supply more power than the solar panels could.
>>16935406That's the thing about isaacman. I really want to like him, but this hobby he has for nuclear gives me such a strong ick
He who controls the sea, controls space.
>>16935413A scrub from a boat or a scrub from the weather; I’ll take the lesser of two weavils!
Remove the ocean
>>16935424Remove the atmosphere and the ocean will take care of itself.
>Intel Itanium vs AMD64>PS3 vs. Xbox & Wii>IBM OS/2 vs. Windows 3x/95>Motorola vs. Nokia>GM lights-out automation vs Toyota in 1980I asked the clanker for examples about leading companies embarking on overly ambitious projects that ended up biting them in the ass.
>>16935425If we removed the atmosphere would the oceans not just sublimate and make a new atmosphere again?If you condensed all of earth’s current atmosphere into a liquid of nitrogen and oxygen it would only be something like 0.5% of the volume of the oceans
>>16935202>>16935206Maybe it's a little bit premature to be doing victory laps. He's only made the presentation yesterday. Has he got Congress to accept SLS and Gateway being canned? We don't know. Berger doesn't. We won't know until there is a new budget, or an authorization act.It's also quite bizarre to say that the Moon Base fails that will be the fault of NASA and industry. But apparently not the administrator, who set them on course for failure. What happened to executive responsibility? If his plan is unrealistic and fails because his expectations are too high, then it is stupid.He's been in the job for 4 months. Acting like you know he is doing great is moronic. The only thing he has really proved is his C-suite powerpoint skills. The actual test of all your flashy new ideas is getting them funded. And that is where it may be "stupid policy".
>>16935425pump it all down
https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/03/we-got-an-audience-with-the-lunar-viceroy-to-talk-how-nasa-will-build-a-moon-base/>"I’m super excited, and I’m sure the rest of the Gateway team will be, once they pivot and start shifting their focus to that."
>>16935454>>16935298
>>16935454*checks comments*their minds went into schizo mode because of the nicknameunbelievable.
>>16935463Kek I always forget just how bad the ars comments are. Jared even said it was a joke as soon as he said it.These people are so fucking unhinged like holy shit, just when I think I’m a terminally online freak there comes die-hard cyberbolsheviks who prove I am more center and sane than I give myself credit for
>A model of a liquid metal-cooled reactor, dual 100-kw Brayton Power Conversion is seen on display during an event where NASA is outlining how the agency is executing President Donald J. Trump’s National Space Policy and accelerating preparations for America’s return to the surface of the Moon by 2028, Tuesday, March 24, 2026, at the Mary W. Jackson NASA Headquarters building in Washington. During the event NASA leadership provided updates on mission priorities, including sending the first astronauts to the lunar surface in more than 50 years, establishing the initial elements of a permanent lunar base, getting America underway in space on nuclear propulsion, and other objectives.
>>16935467wowone cubic kilowatt
https://x.com/lrocket/status/2036525915702698154
https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/03/here-is-nasas-plan-for-nuking-gateway-and-sending-it-to-mars/
>>16935479I’m excited to see the next three proposals NASA has for PPE and what to do with it!
how does foust find time to write all those space review articles? how does he find people who are willing to write even more of them?
https://x.com/SpaceIntel101/status/2036957857132732417>China successfully launched SuperView Neo-2 (Gaojing-2) 05&06 Earth observation satellite on its Long March 2D rocket from Taiyuan LC-9.
>>16935484Umm might have something to do with the fact that it's his job and livelihood, idk, just taking a shot in the dark here
>>16935499American is FINISHEDChina adds YET ANOTHER 1/4 T to LEO
>>16935501A bit over 1t, actually. Each of those satellites weights in at about 540 kg. I just like that a rocket that first launched in 1992 is still putting in useful work.
https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2036964332341473623
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/2036961687996076060>The Gateway to Mars sign has been reinstalled at the Starbase Texas launch complex.
>>16935113https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/2036716082946339312
>>16935509
>>16935510What would it take for sfg to steal these bombs
>>16935521For what purpose? v3 is going to fail no matter what, methinks
>>16935522I can't tell you
>>16935519
>>16935507I waited six whole months for this?
>>16935521
>>16935521Nothing, they're not enough for an energetic remodeling of the synagogue of satan
>>16935479>“We are not trying to do everything,” Sinacore said. “We are trying to do the hard thing, which is operate a coupled nuclear reactor, power conversion, and electric propulsion thruster system beyond Earth orbit for the first time ever.”
>>16935521snake anon's spirit shall resuscitate from the depths of the beetle-infested swamps of bocachunga and help us fulfill our manifest destiny
>>16935330
>trump posts something about artemis>everyone online is confusedeveryone except us and a informed others. absolute grim.
China just completed the first in orbit refueling
>>16935577what did he post
>>16935580>Strange video posted earlier by the White House on X, possibly accidentally, in which a female individual, potentially Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, can be heard saying, “It’s launching soon right?”https://nitter.net/sentdefender/status/2036984717929546136#m>Another cryptic video just posted by the White House, featuring static obscuring a drooping American Flag.https://nitter.net/sentdefender/status/2036990365773803772#m
>>16935158THIS
>>16935582Well first of all, it's not Trump that posted it, it's the interns behind the white house account. Second, the "It's launching soon, right?" video could be about some website launching.Why be cryptic about Artemis? Like, do they know it's going to actually launch next week, for sure? Why didn't they do this for the other attempts?Doesn't look like it's related, to me.
>>16935582Holy shit. Trump is launching a nuke on Israel??
>>16935578>firstno
why dont nasa and spacex combined their moon base efforts
>>16935611Blue origin will sue again
>>16935605
>>16935611Nasa will definitely stop working with spacex once the pendulum swung to the other side especially since everyone thinks musk is a Republican
they hate it
>>16935616they hate humanity
>>16935616>reposting reddit screenshot from iToddler phoneKys.
>SR-1 Freedom will take a year to reach Marswhats the point? i thought nuclear was supposed to be faster than chemical?
>>16935628Even in the best case scenario it's worse in every way than chemical
>>16935449Democrats voting against space in favor of gibs is expected since Johnson left office.
>>16935408Tack welding on a couple more solar arrays would provide more power, with less mass, more efficiently and cheaper. There is no technical justification for adding a nuke. That's just Izzy's uranium bae.
>>16935643Trump admin is in bed with nuclear ex-silicone valley techbrosNASA has to shoehorn some nuclear somewhere to get political support for actually doing the missions
>>16934632I certainly wish NASA Ignition luck but I don't see how we can afford a manned moon program now. Trump can't even get an orbiting Moon ISS set up, what hope is there for a manned moon landing? We literally cannot afford it with the Iran War popping off soon.Besides using SpaceX to launch everything did NASA give any details on how they expect to actually get Ignition into orbit let alone the moon?
>>16935461"money for initial phases" is trump speak for bullshit lyingI'm not able to take this moonbase talk seriously unless they really show how all the lunar orbit stuff works. I'm pretty confident NASA can do Lunar GPS, Lunar mapping, Lunar Internet etc but I'm not sold that NASA can do much more than that on the ground.
>>16935615President Newsom is a cuck and will do whatever is cheapest. Bezos isn't much better than Musk, and if SLS is cancelled (is it?) then Newsom won't have much of an option. Musk will be four years older and probably braindead from all the kush anyway, SpaceX will have to find another personality to sell it. If an unlikable asshole like Bezos can do it surely Musk can hand pick his replacement before the brain rot sets in.
>>16935678Newsom is based chad
it's so sad that gateway died of ligma
fuck you
>>16935691He got cucked by Weinstein lmao
u wot m8
>>16935737oi, u got a loicense for that moon landing?
what's Russia going to do when ISS dies?
>>16935741Beg China to let them add Russian modules to their station
>>16935744That ship sailed when China ignored their pleas to put it in an inclination that can be reached from Russian launch sites.
>>16935746Detach the Russian Segment of ISS, and keep using it for another decade (or two) then
>>16935749They'll probably just do a Mir reenactment and unceremoniously dump it in the drink. Those leaky parts ain't worth much.
>>16935616>>16935628Why does it have such a stupid name?
>>16935751Nothing that a hammer and sic... I mean ductape can't fix, blyat
>>16935752its only stupid to non-americans
>>16935755hold my freedom fries
How faggoty do you have to be to come up with this name? Also, NEP is not required for Mars.
>>16935769“Space Reactor-1” is coolBut “Freedom” is so bottom of the barrel. Generic. I’m tired of these lame think tank safe names. Go with the Halo method: Pillar of Autumn, Forward Unto Dawn…
>>16935773need to get congresscritters on board
>>16935774USS Nuclear Commie Obliterator Death to Iran It Was Actually 8 Billion in the Holly Please Forget About the Epstein Files
>>16935776aka Freedom
https://x.com/TIME/status/2037124135005118943>TIME’s new cover: SpaceX is racing to build its most powerful rockets yet with the goal of returning humans to the moon. Gwynne Shotwell is leading the charge alongside Elon Musk. https://time.com/article/2026/03/26/gwynne-shotwell-profile/
>>16935778she actually looks kind of sex here
>>16935778More likePutting the ‘WO’ in ‘ROCKET MAN’
>>16935751Russians were bitch talking about detaching their modules and building Mir 3 or something. But everyone told them just to shut up and sit down.
>>16935778>“It’s a hard problem and the whole architecture is complex, but we’re gunning for 2028,” says SpaceX president and chief operating officer Gwynne Shotwell, 62, as she stands on a walkway overlooking the factory floor. It’s possible that one of the vehicles under construction here could be the 21st-century equivalent of Apollo 11’s lunar module Eagle, the lander that carried the first humans to the surface of the moon in1969. But Shotwell is hoping that test flights will proceed so quickly that all of those spacecraft will have been put to use by the time of Artemis IV. “By 2028,” she says, gesturing to the 18 Starships, “these should be long gone. They better have flown by [then].”
>>16935786Yo why they gotta throw her age out there like that lol
there is a 6min video in the article
>>16935606What was the first in-orbit refueling then?
>>16935789NTA but ISS does it with fuel transfer and replenishing in small amounts already
>>16935578Pay attention: China's lunar lander is also MMH/NTO fuel.
https://x.com/zebulgar/status/2037184461327012323
>>16934452WTF FALCON 9 FAILURE!!!!!!!!
>>16935807would've been cooler if they equipped it with anti-asteroid missiles like DART and had it playing Asteroids irl
>>16935818This is your hardware on mass autism btw
>>16935795based and getting-shit-done-pilled
>>16935807it would be so awesome if the choppers were shaped like Pickle Rick and proclaimed “I’m Pickle Rick” each time they take off
>>16935812Ok literally just— FUCk yes!! Haha XD
>>16935818looks like WALLE needs some new tracks again
>>16935834>>16935838>>16935841Please stop posting.
>>16935818>>16935819I wonder if those wheels would be in perfect shape today if they just made the aluminum 1mm thicker, and what scientific instrument they would have to ditch for all those ounces and ounces of extra mass.
>>16935818it moves backwards most long distances now to make use of the less worn wheels on the back. clever solution.
>>16935442just keep removing the atmosphere until the ocean disappearsI think anon just didn't want to work with pumps, which I'm sure most of you understand by now
>>16935852that sounds like a lot of work, can’t we just put a tarp over it or something
>>16935854I see what you're getting at... I think that just might work...
>>16935854A moon tarp would be cheaper than a single Artemis mission
He was crying while he typed all that.
>>16935862>EUS is nearly completeCan we see this EUS?
>>16935862EUS is nearly complete but Starship is still two decades away, I see
>>16935866You missed his rant on the EUS going to test next year is the same as the production unit being "done" now.Gave us a giggle.
Why don't we just get a space shuttle from the museum and launch that?
>>16935870The EUS test article that is. The first production unit is still parts in boxes in the stockroom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBWm1385ZNE
>>16935857someone is bitter about a failed relationshipthe moon is most romantic thing ever
>>16935361mars storms would like to have a word with you
>>16935882You obviously haven't read the reports on dust fouling of rtg cooling fins. Spoiler: that's even more of an issue for higher heat flow fission reactors.
Are we going?
>>16935876
>>16935898For me it's the designated shitting triangle
>>16935910Hypotedeuce
>>16935085This is pathetically anemic holy shit
anyone who talks about nuclear in space is a complete grifter
>>16935920Don't you have some gay collages to be making here, solarfag?
>>16935897is starlink building like for the v3 starlink sats, or just a bunch of receiver dishes for internet at starbase?
Duke why would you stoop that low. why would you give them the satisfaction.
>ctrl-f sperm>no resultsI expected better of you, /sfg/.
>>16935935You looking for sperm? One call, and I can facilitate that for you.
>>16935842Die in a fire
Gemini says there's a 40 to 50% chance of a scrub on Wednesday for SLS. Should I risk a 9 drive to go see it? Especially since it might be the last SLS launch
>>16935926It's the main manufacturing site for all starlink satellites
>>16935941It's 50/50
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/musk-rewrites-ipo-playbook-with-large-slice-spacex-stock-retail-investors-source-2026-03-26/
>>16935361Solar doesn't let us do Uranus/Neptune/Pluto/etc orbiters or landers.
>>16935628The point is to demonstrate NEP. In future, NEP will be used in cases where it performs better than solar electric or chemical alternatives, ie large outer planet place probes. By demonstrating NEP, they will get the confidence to build NEP that is useful for deep space missions. By repeatedly building NEP for deep space they will be able to iterate and improve the technology so it will better compete with SEP and chemical options for missions closer to the sun.
>>16935947With efficient thin film solar, it can still be viable out past pluto
>just pack 100 sq kilometers of solar panels with your probe lmao
The truth is that pretty much anything in the inner solar system SHOULD use solar. By Mars/Ceres that kind of reaches its critical limit, but I think a launch architecture like starship (assuming optimization for lowest cost possible and maximizing launch numbers to be as high as possible) justifies throwing tons and tons of solar panels out to as far as Mars. Of course, supplementing with nuclear reactors is always welcome. And you basically need nuclear for anything Jupiter or beyond. Yes Juno has solar panels at jupiter but its always trying to minmax lowest energy consumption possible and it needs to constantly fine-tune its orbit lest it spends just a few too many minutes in the shadow of a moon or jupiter and it just fucking freezes and dies... so it becomes limited by a heavy fuel consumption load and low energy availability. Missions like new horizons and voyager are important and literally THE only way we know how to sustain those is with nuclear fuel
>>16935941>relying on a clanker for anything
Just let Musk/SpaceX play with nuclear material, is it really that hard? why can lockheed/boing/northrop do it but not elon?
>>16935969I wish we had some handwaved way of having antimatter producing facilities like in Star Trek, ugh
>>16935971they could, its just too much bureucracy to accomplish anything noteworthy I would guess
>>16935974>>16935971or I mean probably impossiblealso I would guess no simple business caseperhaps SR-1 opens this up a bit if the regulations become less stringent
>>16935975Hah.No.Literally what is the point of SR-1 besides just giving PPE something to do
>>16935976its been said a million times a million different ways, I'm not going to repeat it
>>16935978?
>>16935979read the thread
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/2037317709449294283>3 angles of Pad 1 under construction! The OLM for this pad is about to begin assembly.
wtf there was a launch tonight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8C0p9OVjx0
https://x.com/tony873004/status/2037319000942907687>This evening you can watch the International Space Station over America. It will slip into Earth's shadow shortly after reaching its peak.
>>16935999Literally how is this news, it flies over me all the time
>>16935949NEP also overlaps with surface power
>>16935950when your kilometer sized panels only generate a few watts
>>16935976We have told you multiple times, you aren't asking in good faith.
esefgee is dead already? at this time of year? at this time of day? huh
>>16936024May I see it?
>>16935944smart move since it should drive up the stock price alot
>>16936024even with Ignition, not much is happening.
>>16936012How many watts is the voyager probes using?
Were you here?If you weren't here you're a FAG
ah the hop era.
It was a better time for /sfg/
>we don't need any more of these!
>>16936038I am ready for the next hop
C'mon Elon, show me some more shityou fucker
>>16936042I remember that day.
>>16936046As do I, anon
IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD
GETTING FROM THERE TO HERE
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME
BUT MY TIME IS FINALLY HERE
I WILL SEE Y DREAM COME ALIVE AT LAST
>>16936053I can't wait for ISS re-entry
I CAN TOUCH THE SKY
AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA HOLD ME DOWN NO MORE
NO THEY'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE MY MIND
CAUSE I'VE GOT FAITHOF THE HEART
I'M GOING WHERE MY HEART WILL TAKE ME
I'VE GOT FAITHTO BELIEVE
I CAN DOANYTHING
we're close to starship being operational, closer than we all think, I think.
I'VE GOT STRENGTHOF THE SOUL
AND NO ONE'S GONNA BEND OR BREAK ME
I CAN REACHANY STAR
I've got faith(I've got faith)faith of the heart
>>16936069that was 6 years ago? holy shit I'm getting old, fuck
>>16936064The lull in launches has dulled anon's perception, 40 days from now and they'll be singing a different tune.
in 40 days I'll post this and we'll discuss
>>16936072I look forward to it
>>16936053fucking kino
>>16935978Thank goodness. Because you were wrong every time you professed your creepy uranium love.
>>16935949The entire rational of Starship is once you have a space barge that can be refueled in space, you can get anywhere in the solar system cheaper than nukes. Izzy insisting that Starship will work and that we also need nukes are direct counter arguments.Nukes are silly 1950s tech like tailfins on cars. Just let this retro cool obsession die.
>>16936067yeah yeah but where is t'pol
>>16936084smol nukes are a stepping stone to big nukes that can get you anywhere you want really fastit goes nuclear electric to pulsed nuclear thermal to pulsed fission/fusion to pulsed ICF to steady state magnetically confined fusion
>>16936099Since those are all completely different technology, no it doesn't.Now, sit quietly and eat your bowl of plutonium.
>>16936041>sninewhat a baka
>>16936101mmm, warm coco puffs!>all completely different technologydepends how much you dumb things down - for the use of politicians and the general public, they're all nucular things in spess, cattle need to be taught to not fear nucular things in spess, even if they do glow quite alarmingly
>>16936084>you can get anywhere in the solar systemmars in 6 months every two yearsand you ask why nuclear?
>>16936107Nuke doesn't get you there faster. Orbits is orbits.Grok, fill the lady in:Sure! A Hohmann transfer orbit to Mars takes approximately 6 to 9 months (roughly 256–259 days), covering half an elliptical orbit around the Sun. This fuel-efficient path is available when Earth and Mars align, which occurs roughly every 26 months.To go "faster" requires more delta. The purported benefit of nuke is greater fuel efficiency, meaning less up mass, meaning lower cost. You start to lose that with faster, because you need more fuel.Cheap mass up from Starship shatters the nuke assumptions, and the greater cost of nuke hardware and management kills any fuel efficiency benefit.
>>16936029The men who built and launched the voyager probes still had Civil War vets alive in their lifetime. They’re old as shit. They get a pass for being so weak today.
>>16936064I havent been skeptical about that but for some reason a lot of people here haveGetting the data from failed tests does actually help and matter
>>16936110Nuclear fuel is best spent with an Orion or Medusa Ship. Which, of course, we should actually invest it and build.
>>16936110holy fuck I hate how ksp tutorials make people retarded>To go "faster" requires more delta. The purported benefit of nuke is greater fuel efficiency, meaning less up mass, meaning lower cost. You start to lose that with faster, because you need more fuel.I want to believe youre AI and not humanif you can double efficiency (hypothetical), you can go twice as fast for same fuel costs (theoretical) its not as easy to calculating your timing to reverse thrust on a direct path vs doing everything with the simplest conics and parking orbits and homann transfers, but that doesnt magically change physics. orbits are orbits but you're genuinely braindead if you think its the only way to do space travel
>>16936134No little one. If you knew space history and had read any of the past nuclear mission studies, you would know the goal wasn't fast, but less fuel mass and cheaper.Now, you can go off an look at some of those studies that directly compare launch mass between chemical and nuclear. Hints: nuclear works best with a light fuel like H2 which is shite for every other reason, which is why Starship uses super cooled methane.Now go. Start reading.
>>16936137That would be nuclear thermal of course. Nuclear electric is still is optimized for the lightest propellant, but there are significant cost differences between different props that get involved.
>>16936029under a hundred these days i think
>>16936137you are an AI
>>16936049>>16936069I read each post and sang it in my head, thanks
>Industry says proposed NASA changes to commercial space station plans create confusion>NASA’s proposed changes to its support of commercial space stations have created concern and confusion among companies developing them, the head of an industry organization warned.>The Planetary society applaudes NASA's Space Reactor Freedom's 40KWe nuclear reactor but criticizes the NEPMixed views on Isaacman
The concept of having working probes a light-day away is so fascinating. That is far, very far.
>>16936154The Planetary Society, with Bill Nye the Gender Guy.
>>16936157With solar sails propelled by lasers we can reach Voyager 1 in 4 days. Pretty insane.
>>16936159So you’re proposing shooting down the Voyagers with relativistic projectiles? Based
>>16936159You do realise you're saying laser sails can accelerate to 25% C almost instantly.
>>16936159I think the catch is that the laser has to be a megahuge country-obliterating death machine. Might as well build it in space and you can use it either as a weapon or as a peacetime space propellant machine. It would be a mutually assured destruction deterrent
>>16936159>>16936162>>16936163http://breakthroughinitiatives.org/index.php?controller=Forum&action=viewforum&id=2&page=1Ok so the whole thing must weigh in the order of several grams, yet it should be able to deflect 100GW of incoming radiation near perfectly (otherwise it will instantly vaporize) while maintaining structural integrity under the acceleration of 60,000g for two minutesThe laser sources must track this smartphone-sized object during these two minutes across several million kilometers perfectly (course deviation the object experiences must be anticipated seconds before it happens, because at the end of the two minutes the object will be ~10 light-seconds away)
aged like fine winehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoJsPvmFixU
>>16936171lmao every time i see that pic
>>16936171>just recreate Apollo!
>>16936154whats confusing about it?
>>16936171I didn’t realize he was perusing a PhD
>>16936160Evil aliens must never find us
>>16936181Whose going to build it? Who has the technology other than NASA to operate it etc.
>>16936189Are there good aliens?
>>16936171He's like the hick Scott Manley. Very uneducated!
US tests Long Range Hypersonic Weapon "Dark Eagle" in shocking display of power.
>>16936201What is this suborbital filth.
>>16936154https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/03/what-happens-next-with-nasas-plan-to-replace-the-iss-source-it-could-get-ugly/
>>16936201deagle gots moves
>>16936201Another boondoggle that can't justify its pricetag.
why don't we have a gas station in orbit yet?
>>16936206>oldspace is butthurt about the change in directionGOOD. They were never planning on finishing out those cost-plus contracts anyway.
>>16936215The Honorable Mr. Richard Shelby (R-AL)
>>16936218Imagine holding back the entire future of spaceflight single-handedly for years.
>>16936215NASA was instructed to not use the d word
>>16936215>why don't we have a gas station in orbit yet?i thought elon said spacex would build one for starship eventually. not sure if it'll ever happen, but i imagine it would be the biggest structure ever built in space.
>>16936206
>>16936064i think you're right
>>16936217these are not oldspace companies actuallyVast, Axiom, BO, Voyager
>>16936234What are they mad about, exactly? The fact that they can no longer lock down a multi-billion dollar grift contract and have the comfort of being 10 years late?Jared said NASA’s justification for changing plans was that nobody would be ready with a complete commercial station in time for ISS decommissioning, which I believe is the truth. Doing a core NASA module and asking for little one-off commercial habs seems like the reasonable option here
>>16936225Mondale and Proxmire did that too. The Senate is a pit of vipers.
>>16936240basically I guess
>>16936206>Building space station modules is really hard. >Despite billions of dollars and efforts by NASA and the European Space Agency to build new deep space station modules—the HALO and iHAB elements of the now-shelved Lunar Gateway—have both faced significant delays. There are rumors that both modules are actually corroded, perhaps beyond repair. Inevitably, NASA expects private providers to face similar delays.Tell me again how Gateway was a good idea
>>16936206>There are rumors that both modules [HALO and iHAB elements of the now-shelved Lunar Gateway] are actually corroded, perhaps beyond repair. Inevitably, NASA expects private providers to face similar delaysWait what the fuck? Ummm what?? These are brand new modules, they aren't even completely finished yet what the hell does this mean
>>16936201>Dark EagleIs this a reference to American blacks?
>>16936215First we need orbital rings
Who has the illustration an anon made of a rotating cylindrical city that had multiple smaller slopes instead of just 1 big slope? I believe when we discussed it a year or two back it was intended to be for low to microgravity environments ie gravity of phobos?
You don’t hate boats enough. You think you do but you don’t.Same boat captain that delayed the launch, previously cancelled a German bombing exercise in the area.https://www.kystogfjord.no/nyheter/n/d447GB/vi-hadde-vase-paa-bruket https://www.kystogfjord.no/nyheter/n/Av4xKx/tyske-bombefly-maatte-snu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg-sDsbJp7E
>>16936261so he is doing it on purpose for some reason
>>16936262i thought they had to stay in quarantine the whole time?
>>16936251Not sure about what you mean but a typical pressurized cylindrical shape has two hemispheres, where you can experiment all gravities to zero just by walking up.
Woah so Fincke’s medical scare came out, and it’s basically “we don’t know.”He was eating dinner, then suddenly couldn’t speak. He went blank for 20 minutes. The crew noticed he was spaced out and rushed in and radioed down to ground for emergency flight surgeon consultation.They have apparently ruled out a stroke or heart condition, it’s something completely unknown at this point.
Space madness, you say?
>>16936263>>16936261They did the same thing when the first Starship debris field make pilots mad in the Caribbean.On one Vandenberg launch an airliner did a range violation and delayed the launch of starlink sats the next few days after the debris field. The pilots are cunts and nevar forget.
>>16936266The aliens were trying to be helpful so they beamed the knowledge of cold fusion directly into his brain.
>>16936266spooky
>>16936266God forbid a white boy reach nirvana for a little bit
>>16936266Won't be the last time you hear about Fincke’s syndrome.
Anyone going to see Professor Brian Cox's live show "Emergence"? Here is a still depicting humanity's future settlement on Neptune's enigmatic retrograde moon, Triton.
>>16936261According to local news, the launch wasn't cancelled by the boat, but by the Germans themselves.Also, the fuck are you gonna do with a line fishing operation? Not haul it and lose all your gear + catch?
The H3 failure at the end of last year ("the front fell off") has been narrowed down.>The PAF structural failure was caused from Japanese summer moisture.>Manufacturing flaw seems to be moisture control problem.
>>16936240You can't run a business on vague promises down the line depending on whoever gets voted in. That's the entire fucking problem with anything outside private launch industry.
>try to fly to space>rocket drowns
>>16936279it’s like those redditors who keep having their shoes explode when they attend their friends’ gay weddings
maybe he didn't have anything to say
>>16936285What?
>A "radically optimistic vision" of Earth's future. It goes from taming volcanoes to space based solar power, to truly futuristic concepts like orbital rings. Amazing as always!
>>16936291>yeah we're gonna build orbital death rays>but it's ok because we're only going to use it for uhhhhhhhh>volcano management
>>16936292Wouldn't be a problem in a united earth scenario.
Akira SOL when
>>16936274He accurately portrays the breathy enthusiasm of a teenage girl while retaining his 80s boy band good looks.
spacex will obviously corner the space station market if vast's temporary station makes money.
I love this guy Behiel's videos, he just posted one about black holes you all might like. even though I only ever did phys I/II in undergrad, they're interesting to watch... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54n0WofSNno
>>16936298I'm positive that I could beat him up and take his lunch money.
>>16936304my lunch at school was $2.I would usually bring $4 and buy a 'double'.man those chicken sandwiches and sloppy joe's were amazing
>>16936305I went to a school where they served "uncrustables" brand grilled cheese sandwiches. The sandwiches were individually wrapped, and the lunch lady boiled them in-bag 100 at a time. Thanks for the free troonshine, Gertrude
>>16936291You don’t just mitigate plate tectonics like how tf are you going to stop entire plates from subducting and creating earthquakes and volcanoes. How are you going to quell mantle plume uprising?Even dyson swarm civilizations haven’t figured that much out yet
>>16936311I think it's mentioned if they can't do it (lol) they will settle for a hypervelocity drill to gain access to geothermal pockets
>>16936291Wouldn't this fucking obliterate the o-zone layer? And I'm not being a lib about this like the people who are trying to say Starlink is destroying the o-zone layer, but this is genuinely an entirely different matter, lol.
>>16936201...this is just SPRINT without the nuke isn't it?
>>16936314Nope, it would be fine
>>16936314You can annihilate a little atmosphere, as a treat.
>>16936192the dead ones
>>16936201fantastic camera work
>>16936266Space fungus
>>16936303Thanks
>>16936317Dark Eagle is the Army's version of the Navy's CPS, it is a 34" diameter missile with a hypersonic glide vehicle warhead.The 'hypersonics' you have heard of Russia using in Ukraine are just ballistic missiles.
>>16936337Oh they are cold launched, farted out of their cell with gas before the rocket ignites. That is why that one is in the air with no exhaust (yet).
>>16936323truly. 10/10 would watch again
>>16936337ribbed for her pleasure
The new Zenit rocket, ready for launch soon.
waow image limit, someone stage
>>16936356>Zenit rocketno
STAGING>>16936360>>16936360>>16936360
>>16936337>The 'hypersonics' you have heard of Russia using in Ukraine are just ballistic missiles.cope harder nafoid
>>16936359well, sorta. Soyuz-5 is meant to fill the same niche and operate from the same sites as Zenit-2, but has a lot of differences: improved engines, wider body, higher payload to LEO and GEO. And of course, fully Russian.
>>16936362well dodged vanyasuperior russia hypersonics take a ballistic path to show the world how great they arethey lack maneuverability because they are guided by the great confidence of superior soviet engineering
>>16936390>the peremoga is real in my mindlmao, come back when you are back in reality
>>16936361>page 8
>>16936266yeah fucking right
>>16936266He was probably just kidding around
>>16936266Is it possible a cosmic ray got a critical hit?
>>16936201Does trump come up with all these stupid names himself or are people trying to suck up to him with retarded names
>>16936404>image limit
>>16935950Not for powering electric thrusters. Electric thrusters are necessary for high delta V fast transits to the outer solar system. A NEP vehicle would arrive in Pluto orbit in less time than it'd take a chemically propelled probe to just fly by
>>16936084No the rationale of Starship is that reusable launch makes orbital refilling cheap enough to send Starship as far as the Moon and Mars.Starship will never be fast enough or have enough delta V to carry people to Jupiter or beyond. Starship could throw payloads *at* Jupiter if it burned all its propellant to do so, but that means Starship cannot capture.NEP accelerates too slowly to compete with Starship transit times to Mars, but it does accelerate fast enough to get to Jupiter faster than Starship would, and has the Isp to actually capture at Jupiter & return to Earth. SR-1exists to demonstrate NEP and is going to Mars because it's in range of the PPE's performance capabilities
>>16936110Mars is not the only planet in the solar system. You avoid considering the outer planets because their existence and our interest in them refutes your argument.
>>16936137Ask yourself why New Horizons did not use a hohmann transfer at any point. Hint: it was to get to Jupiter (for a gravity assist) faster. Nearly all space probes are launched faster than a minimum energy hohmann transfer because for just a bit more energy the payload arrives FASTER.
>>16936154>The Planetary society applaudes NASA's Space Reactor Freedom's 40KWe nuclear reactor but criticizes the NEPDo they want a 40 kWe reactor or not? Demoing both the reactor and simplified NEP in one mission is high value for dollar. The mission de-risks flight testing the reactor too (it's launched directly to solar orbit)
>>16936243What exactly is it that makes space station vessels hard? Fucking weld it together, it holds less than one bar of pressure and wears thick insulation layers. Contract an oil& gas fab shop and don't tell them it's a space station, it'll cost $120,000 and have a 5x safety factor
>>16936244Capital punishment for all involved
>>16936265Not what he's talking about
>>16936376they're never building it, russia is a failed state and their space industry is only going to deteriorate further as time goes on. russia has developed almost nothing new that wasn't already under development from before the USSR collapsed. even the 4+ gen SU-57 was a pre-collapse project.
